Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common situation.
The landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much
luck with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available
for a few versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need
to pay up and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard).
ArcGIS ArcView (now called Basic) won't get you write access. And you
can't get around it with WFS-T either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection
or WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise
('ArcInfo') or ArcGIS Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data
source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I'm particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to
create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS
environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you've had
from implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open
source Desktop GIS applications as client tools.
Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I'd like to
move our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our
vector spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.
Bruce
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Gavin and Bruce,
To add to what Gavin said, we recently did a piece of work assessing how to
use PostGIS as a back end for ArcGIS and as well as the fairly major
constraint around writing to the database we also found issues with
case-sensitivity- all database objects (tables, schemas etc) need to be
lower-case for ArcGIS to see them, and you will need to use different
connection methods (query layers) to view data in tables with null values
in them.
Jo
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Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common situation.
The landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much
luck with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available for
a few versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need to pay
up and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard). ArcGIS ArcView
(now called Basic) won't get you write access. And you can't get around it
with WFS-T either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection or
WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise ('ArcInfo')
or ArcGIS Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data
source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I’m particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to
create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS
environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you’ve had from
implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open
source Desktop GIS applications as client tools.
Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I’d like to move
our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector
spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.
Bruce
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Many thanks Gavin.
We have the required licenses, so that will be OK.
From memory, ESRI's support is a few versions of Postgres and PostGIS behind
the current releases.
Have you had any luck with using versions of Postgres and PostGIS higher than
ESRI claim to support.
We're running ArcGIS 10.1 and the new Postgres / PostGIS environment that we're
looking at is 9.3.4 with PostGIS 2.1.3.
We'll be running our own tests, but it would useful to have an idea of
potential issues.
If anyone would like me to move this thread off Discuss, please let me know.
However I suspect that it may be of interest to a number of sites.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common situation. The
landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much luck
with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available for a few
versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need to pay up and as
a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard). ArcGIS ArcView (now called
Basic) won't get you write access. And you can't get around it with WFS-T
either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection or WFS-T
you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise ('ArcInfo') or ArcGIS
Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data source
with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I’m particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to create,
update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS environment, without
the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you’ve had from
implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open source
Desktop GIS applications as client tools.
Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I’d like to move our
ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector spatial
database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.
Bruce
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Bruce, there is no issue with using this mailing list for discussing
interacting with our open tools and others...it is VERY interesting and
please do continue and share.
-jeff
On 2014-07-11, 9:01 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Many thanks Gavin.
We have the required licenses, so that will be OK.
From memory, ESRI's support is a few versions of Postgres and PostGIS behind
the current releases.
Have you had any luck with using versions of Postgres and PostGIS higher than
ESRI claim to support.
We're running ArcGIS 10.1 and the new Postgres / PostGIS environment that
we're looking at is 9.3.4 with PostGIS 2.1.3.
We'll be running our own tests, but it would useful to have an idea of
potential issues.
If anyone would like me to move this thread off Discuss, please let me know.
However I suspect that it may be of interest to a number of sites.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common situation. The
landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much luck
with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available for a
few versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need to pay up
and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard). ArcGIS ArcView (now
called Basic) won't get you write access. And you can't get around it with
WFS-T either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection or
WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise ('ArcInfo') or
ArcGIS Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data source
with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I’m particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to create,
update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS environment, without
the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you’ve had from
implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open source
Desktop GIS applications as client tools.
Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I’d like to move our
ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector spatial
database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.
Bruce
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+1 Sharing of practical experiences on interoperability is always
worthwhile.
Doug
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com
wrote:
Bruce, there is no issue with using this mailing list for discussing
interacting with our open tools and others...it is VERY interesting and
please do continue and share.
-jeff
On 2014-07-11, 9:01 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Many thanks Gavin.
We have the required licenses, so that will be OK.
From memory, ESRI's support is a few versions of Postgres and PostGIS
behind the current releases.
Have you had any luck with using versions of Postgres and PostGIS higher
than ESRI claim to support.
We're running ArcGIS 10.1 and the new Postgres / PostGIS environment
that we're looking at is 9.3.4 with PostGIS 2.1.3.
We'll be running our own tests, but it would useful to have an idea of
potential issues.
If anyone would like me to move this thread off Discuss, please let me
know. However I suspect that it may be of interest to a number of sites.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common situation.
The landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much
luck with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available
for a few versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need to
pay up and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard). ArcGIS
ArcView (now called Basic) won't get you write access. And you can't get
around it with WFS-T either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection
or WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise
('ArcInfo') or ArcGIS Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data
source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I’m particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to
create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS
environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you’ve had from
implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open
source Desktop GIS applications as client tools.
Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I’d like to move
our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector
spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.
Bruce
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I've migrated a forestry client to postgis out of shapefiles and file
based geodatabases. I'm running:
* Workstation is Ubuntu 14.04 with postgres 9.3.4 and postgis 2.1.3
(ubuntugis packages)
* ArcGIS 10.2.2 in a win7 VM
* Downloaded the Postgres libraries from ESRI. The claims are that it
only supported as high as postgres 9.2.x (use the 32 bit libraries)
* QGIS 2.4 (osqeo4w and ubuntugis)
It worked quite well. I connected to postgres through ArcGIS and read
all I needed to out of the database. The kicker is write and I'm not
sure if that will ever happen. I didn't try to import into postgres. I
still don't entirely understand the definition query explanation with
arcgis. That's on the reading list for today.
Same with Spatialite (and I seem to have hit or miss luck with that) -
sometimes ArcGIS reads and sometimes it doesn't. You can import into
spatialite from ArcGIS.
So way back when we would have projects done in Arc/INFO workstation and
the project area would be USGS quad based.
* Everyone worked in a workspace.
* lots of discussion and people making sure no one butted heads and
edited in the same workspace as someone else.
* End of the project was a weeks worth of consolidation, snapping,
editing, and joy.
I imagine the same thing happening currently.
* Postgres is the main data repository
* data is handed off to arcgis clients in a systematic way.
* Editing occurs - edits are consolidated back into postgres through
qgis or some magic scripted button.
And we're partying like it's 1997 but no SDEbut it works. We used
this methodology until 2002 and churned out a ton of good data.
Hope that helps and doesn't repeat anything from below. It still doesn't
get anyone to the magic editing part though.
Randy
On 07/11/2014 08:25 AM, Newcomb, Doug wrote:
+1 Sharing of practical experiences on interoperability is always
worthwhile.
Doug
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jeff McKenna
jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com
wrote:
Bruce, there is no issue with using this mailing list for discussing
interacting with our open tools and others...it is VERY
interesting and
please do continue and share.
-jeff
On 2014-07-11, 9:01 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Many thanks Gavin.
We have the required licenses, so that will be OK.
From memory, ESRI's support is a few versions of Postgres and
PostGIS behind the current releases.
Have you had any luck with using versions of Postgres and
PostGIS higher than ESRI claim to support.
We're running ArcGIS 10.1 and the new Postgres / PostGIS
environment that we're looking at is 9.3.4 with PostGIS 2.1.3.
We'll be running our own tests, but it would useful to have an
idea of potential issues.
If anyone would like me to move this thread off Discuss, please
let me know. However I suspect that it may be of interest to a
number of sites.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS
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Hi Bruce
I've done fairly extensive research as this is a very common
situation. The landscape is quite fluid though.
There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't
had much luck with them in a read-write production environment.
Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been
available for a few versions now. The clincher is write support.
For that you need to pay up and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor
(now called Standard). ArcGIS ArcView (now called Basic) won't get
you write access. And you can't get around it with WFS-T either.
So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database
connection or WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or
Enterprise ('ArcInfo') or ArcGIS Server (set up to use native
PostGIS geometry).
Gavin
On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector
spatial data source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?
I'm particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being
able to create, update and delete spatial data managed within a
PostGIS environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.
Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you've
had from implementation to operational use?
We have a mixed spatial environment
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Bruce, Not sure if this is interesting or not. In my previous role, my team I worked on adding ArcGIS support for Ingres, which is also open source and similar to Postgres/PostGIS. I learned quite a bit during the process. I appreciated that Esri offers a very useful layer to plugin extend ArcMap/ArcCatalog, etc. You can code in Python, .NET, or Java. Despite being warned by many that we were crazy to even try to do this, after investing to grok Esri's architecture, we got it done in only a few months. The end result was pretty good... full read/write and most major features worked well. It didn't require ArcSDE. This wasn't every single feature of course. For example, we didn't do long transaction support as it wasn't that urgent for our customer at the time was going to be a lot of work. From what I understand from the outside, the team has nudged it along over the years fixing up bugs and edge cases we didn't consider in the first release. At the time, we took a brief look to understand the landscape and there seemed to be some fairly significant limitations in ArcGIS support for PostGIS. I'm not sure if that's changed since then as it has been a couple of years. The team has disbanded since, but if there were interest in engaging any of them, I'd be happy to make introductions. I also know of companies that do work in this space. Andrew On 11/07/14 00:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client? I'm particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear. Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you've had from implementation to operational use? We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open source Desktop GIS applications as client tools. Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I'd like to move our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS. Bruce ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Andrew, I admired the work that your former team was doing. It was a pity that sufficient time and resourcing was not allocated to see this potential work through to fruition. People often under-estimate how much effort is required to sponsor an open source project, and allow sufficient time for a self-sustaining community to evolve. In our case, we will not be able to add another database platform to our suite. We're actually reducing and trying to consolidate our technology base. Therefore we would not be able to look at Ingres as a platform, even though it has the same roots as Postgres. Bruce From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Ross [andrew.r...@eclipse.org] Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2014 2:11 AM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Dear Bruce, Not sure if this is interesting or not. In my previous role, my team I worked on adding ArcGIS support for Ingres, which is also open source and similar to Postgres/PostGIS. I learned quite a bit during the process. I appreciated that Esri offers a very useful layer to plugin extend ArcMap/ArcCatalog, etc. You can code in Python, .NET, or Java. Despite being warned by many that we were crazy to even try to do this, after investing to grok Esri's architecture, we got it done in only a few months. The end result was pretty good... full read/write and most major features worked well. It didn't require ArcSDE. This wasn't every single feature of course. For example, we didn't do long transaction support as it wasn't that urgent for our customer at the time was going to be a lot of work. From what I understand from the outside, the team has nudged it along over the years fixing up bugs and edge cases we didn't consider in the first release. At the time, we took a brief look to understand the landscape and there seemed to be some fairly significant limitations in ArcGIS support for PostGIS. I'm not sure if that's changed since then as it has been a couple of years. The team has disbanded since, but if there were interest in engaging any of them, I'd be happy to make introductions. I also know of companies that do work in this space. Andrew On 11/07/14 00:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client? I’m particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear. Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you’ve had from implementation to operational use? We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open source Desktop GIS applications as client tools. Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I’d like to move our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS. Bruce ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hello Bruce, I have not worked on this since January of last year, but I have an ArcGIS Extension I wrote that enables ArcMap to read/write to any GDAL datasource. I think if you recompile it for 10.2 it should work - even if you only have the ArcGIS Basic license. https://github.com/rburhum/arcgis-ogr Contributions are welcomed. - Ragi -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Using-ArcGIS-Desktop-with-PostGIS-SEC-UNCLASSIFIED-tp5150586p5150734.html Sent from the OSGeo Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
