Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps

[Jody Garnett]

Yeah it is an interesting one, wondered if they were going to use that as
an excuse to substitute in whatever maps the platform (android and iOS) had
on hand in the hopes of reducing mobile bandwidth and taking advantage of
offline storage...

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On 28 September 2015 at 04:06, Jo Cook  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to draw your attention to this, from W3C if you have not
> already seen it. I don't have the technical know-how to see if there are
> any negative implications but there are opportunities to comment.
>
> https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/
> http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

[Suchith Anand]

Very good points. I am ccing Geo4All colleagues as we will follow up this. It 
is great to hear that  Boundless has an intern working on material for Geo4All 
. This kind of closer collaboration and synergies is what we want to build upon.

One of things we want to make sure more students are aware that they can also 
contribute in different ways to OSGeo (not only as developers), but helping 
with documentation, translators, etc.

With the student awards at OSGeo conferences, OSGeo SoC activities etc , we are 
starting to see good progress with this (but more need to be done).

Suchith




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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

Hi Jody,

Thank you for your insightful inputs. I would like to also use this opportunity 
to invite Industry like Boundless team who are committed to OSGeo ideals be 
more actively involved in Geo4All as Industry partner for rapidly expanding 
opportunities.

Using my personal email here, so not speaking for boundless, but I think you 
will find we have an intern working on material for Geo4All :)

I would also like to remind the Geo4All initiative to not only focus on use of 
our OSGeo software, but to relentless push students to take part in the 
projects. Each and every course should have contact details for the projects in 
question, a note to be polite online (as their discussion will be visible to 
potential employers), and a reminder that without their involvement this 
software will not continue to exist.

I discussed this with Marc Vloemans (cc in ) last week when we met at SASIG 
2015  http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2015/   in Lisbon. So i look forward to hear from 
Marc and others in the industry for closer collaborations in both education and 
research collaborations (esp. for H2020 opportunities).

I look forward to meeting Marc next month at LocationTech Summit, there is 
actually a couple days hackfest as part of that event if you have anyone 
interested in collaboration.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

[Jody Garnett]

Hi Jody,

> Thank you for your insightful inputs. I would like to also use this
> opportunity to invite Industry like Boundless team who are committed to
> OSGeo ideals be more actively involved in Geo4All as Industry partner for
> rapidly expanding opportunities.
>
Using my personal email here, so not speaking for boundless, but I think
you will find we have an intern working on material for Geo4All :)

I would also like to remind the Geo4All initiative to not only focus on use
of our OSGeo software, but to relentless push students to take part in the
projects. Each and every course should have contact details for the
projects in question, a note to be polite online (as their discussion will
be visible to potential employers), and a reminder that without their
involvement this software will not continue to exist.

> I discussed this with Marc Vloemans (cc in ) last week when we met at
> SASIG 2015  http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2015/   in Lisbon. So i look forward
> to hear from Marc and others in the industry for closer collaborations in
> both education and research collaborations (esp. for H2020 opportunities).
>
I look forward to meeting Marc next month at LocationTech Summit, there is
actually a couple days hackfest as part of that event if you have anyone
interested in collaboration.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Vote for OSGeo Board of Directors elections 2015 extended

[Jorge Sanz]

On 28 September 2015 at 19:52, Vasile Craciunescu
 wrote:
> Dear Gert-Jan,
>
> For sure we will check this year with all the charter members that did note
> vote. Checking with all of them it's really no easy task. It took me many
> many hours in the last two days just to send messages to almost 100 people
> (most of them on other channels than the e-mail used in their connection
> with OSGeo). But, you are right, somehow we should have a method to make
> sure we are connected with all our charter members.
>
> Best,
> Vasile
>

Vasile I think you did more than was expected. With the reminders to
the filed e-mail addresses but also Discuss and the Charter Members
list I think it's enough and if a Charter Member is not following any
of those inputs, it's not the CRO responsibility to try to reach them
by any means. We are lucky to have such a big and broad membership and
every year someone will miss the elections for one reason or another.

Of course it's awesome you took that time to do it but I wouldn't
expect that from future CROs, you've done more than enough my friend.

Cheers.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Vote for OSGeo Board of Directors elections 2015 extended

[Vasile Craciunescu]

Dear Gert-Jan,

For sure we will check this year with all the charter members that did 
note vote. Checking with all of them it's really no easy task. It took 
me many many hours in the last two days just to send messages to almost 
100 people (most of them on other channels than the e-mail used in their 
connection with OSGeo). But, you are right, somehow we should have a 
method to make sure we are connected with all our charter members.


Best,
Vasile

On 9/28/15 4:47 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden wrote:

For next years Charter member elections I would suggest to check in
advance with the existing Charter members whether they plan to stay in
their position, and if their contact info as registered with OSGeo is
still valid.

Regards,

GJ


Vasile Craciunescu  schreef:


Dear charter members,

Your CRO speaking. Please find bellow the board of directors election
status 2 hours before the official voting deadline:

Full responses: 215
Incomplete responses: 7
No response: 58

I decided to extend the voting period until Tuesday midnight (12:00
GMT September 29). Meantime, I will try to get personally in touch
with all the 65 charter members who did vote until now, via all known
electronic means. Actually, some of you already received a "personal
reminder" via different social media.

I'm doing this because:

1. Some of you had a thick agenda in office after vacation or due to
events like FOSS4G.
2. Some of the contacts in our database are not up to date or some
charter members are registered with OSGeo with e-mail addresses that
are not checking on a regular basis anymore.
3. Some of you are no longer involved in geospatial world or no longer
have time for OSGeo. This is totally understandable. If you are in
this position, please consider to step down/retire from the charter
member group. But also, please, let us know.

Best,
Vasile

PS please do not get angry on me if you receive reminders on more than
on channel :)






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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[María Arias de Reyna]

When people ask me how should they start on the GIS world, I always give
them two advices:

 * Check OsGeo.
 * Read the Libro Libre de SIG Libre[1] (only Spanish, translations
accepted)

If OsGeo disappeared, someone should invent it.

Which doesn't mean it is the only way to achieve the same goals. For
example, in Spain we have the geoinquietos (georestless) local groups which
work somehow independently from OsGeo. But most of the people are the same
in both groups, it is just that using our own "brand" allows us to do
things more freely (talking about data instead of software, talking about
privative resources, talking about geocaching, just take some
geobeers,...). But we always go back to OsGeo as the reference.


[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Libro_SIG
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

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Am 26.09.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Darrell Fuhriman:
> This is a perfect example.
> 
> All of those are great and wonderful things! The community does great and
> wonderful things. That’ s not my point.
> 
> My point is, those activities would happen even if the OSGeo Foundation
> disappeared. I’m not questioning whether we have a large and vibrant
> community, we do. And we still would.
> 
> My local chapter existed before it was an OSGeo chapter, and we would keep
> on having meetings and doing fun and exciting things even without the OSGeo
> Foundation.

Same is true for the German chapter. But nevertheless there is need for
something more umbrella-like.

> Put another way: The OSGeo Foundation needs the Open Source Geospatial
> community, but does the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo
> Foundation? I don’t see that it does.

Here's a case why the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo
Foundation: Our company is currently being legally prosecuted as the owner of
the deegree.org domain. The claim is that on www.deegree.org there is a
commercial offering, but at the same time the web site lacks an imprint (which
is legally enforced in Germany for all commercial offerings). Besides the
question if some links to companies who provide "professional support" are
already a commercial offering, the main point here is, that lat/lon is made
responsible for something (providing the server) the company is only doing to
support the community. But the prosecutor is saying that lat/lon is
accountable here as per the whois entry.

We are currently evaluating reactions, together with a lawyer who is
experienced in legal aspects of Open Source. But as a more long-term solution
I'd say OSGeo should be the legal owner of deegree.org. From my naive legal
understanding this would help a lot to get things straight and more
transparent to the outside world.

This case might be a bit special, but it is a real one - and it might have
some larger impact as I am seeing other projects which have a similiar setting
and thus might run into the same kind of trouble. Depending on the legal
situation in the various countries, of course.

My 2 cents,

Jens

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Julien Michel]

Hi all,

I am a fairly new charter member, so maybe the two following comments 
here will be irrelevant.


From my perspective, having Orfeo ToolBox as an incubating project 
definitively helped us to move in the right direction. I am not saying 
that it would not have occured without OSGeo, but the organization gives 
the momentum and defines the standards to reach. As such, it is useful 
and somehow efficient. The fact that the process is long is mostly on 
the project side in our case.


I think that the Github move is hazardous. Sure, it is easy, free for 
open-source projects, and really really cool. Granted, it helps a lot in 
getting fluid contributions to open-source projects. But ... in two 
years, they may start shipping sponsors links at the end of the Readme 
files, and in a moments notice you have to watch 20 seconds ads before 
cloning. At this point, you will want to bail out, only to find out that 
in fact you can not, because you can not delete the project anymore, or 
the issue tracker database can not be exported ...


My point is, OSGeo should care about long-term protection of GIS 
open-source, and if this goal aligns for now with services that Github 
provides, it may no longer be the case in the future .Of course we need 
to be on Github: it is a public place to be, like twitter & co. But 
completely giving up code hosting and developers exchanges to a private 
company is the opposite of what I think the organization should do.


I know proper hosting services requires time and money, I do not have 
the solution to that, but for me OSGeo should provide a sustainable 
alternative, up-to-date and tailored for its purpose.


My 2 cents,

Regards,

Julien

Le 25/09/2015 21:57, Darrell Fuhriman a écrit :
The recent discussion on the board list 
that 
came out of the question of the 2014 videos has got me thinking about 
a few things again, and I want to try to get them out there.


Grab a mug of your favorite liquid and hunker down, because I put some 
time and effort into this, and your own well considered reply is 
appreciated.


Keep in mind that all of these comments are coming from my personal 
perspective, which, like everyone’s, is an incomplete picture of the 
whole. Much of what I’m going to say has been rolling around my head 
for a while, so I’m just going to put it out there.


I will start with a provocative thesis:

OSGeo lacks visionary unified leadership and without it will become 
irrelevant.


Of course, making such a claim requires support. So let me break down 
the statement.


“Visionary leadership” is really two things, “vision” and 
“leadership.” I will address each in turn.



OSGeo lacks vision

I looked at the list of “Goals” for OSGeo 
. I wonder: when 
was the last time these goals were evaluated for both success and 
relevancy?


Here is my own opinion of success of some of  these goals. (In the 
interest of brevity, I haven’t tried to tackle everything. That’s left 
as an exercise to the reader.)



  Example 1

To provide resources for foundation projects - eg. infrastructure, 
funding, legal.


Allow me to break each of those examples down.


Infrastructure

It’s true that OSGeo provides some infrastructure, such as Trac 
instance, Mailman, SVN repos. If the budget is to be believed, we pay 
some $3,500/yr to OSUOSL for said infrastructure. I wonder if such a 
service is necessary, however. Issue tracking and source control are 
much better provided by Github, which is free for organization such as 
ours.
I say this because a) that’s money that could be better spent 
elsewhere and b) supporting these services burns precious volunteer 
time (more on that below).


There are clear cost savings available, which are not taken advantage 
of. For example, OSGeo could be hosting FOSS4G infrastructure: 
conference websites and registration, a central location for 
conference videos (regardless of platform/provider). This neglect is 
especially galling given that FOSS4G is OSGeo’s sole source of income.



Funding

OSGeo does not fund projects. It has provided some funds to pay for 
Code Sprints — $15k in 2014 according to the budget 
.



Legal

I see nothing that has been done on this front recently. Please feel 
free to correct me.



Conclusion

OSGeo, where it actually does what it claims, has not adapted in ways 
that could save money.


My grade: D


Example 2

To promote freely available geodata - free software is useless without 
data.


The geodata working group is dead. As near as I can tell by perusing 
the mailing list archives, and the wiki, there has been no meaningful 
activity in the past two years (maybe more).


My grade: F


Example 3

To promote the use of open source software in the geospatial industry 
(not just foundation 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Filipe Vieira]

Hi all,

Just wanted to give my opinion on using a external service as source code
repository, I think there is no problem using github because:

- Source Code is protected by the license,
- If github service stops to address the project needs then port it to
other repository. I remember sourceforge starting to be a really bad
service (having a bunch of ads and bad practices)  and people just migrated
to other repositories.
- Having a internal source repository service needs human resources and
hardware, it costs money and time. Having a semi-working service will also
impact project efficiency.
- Migrating a project to other repository is not a problem if the entry
point is always the same: the project website. Most people that look for
releases are going to search them on the project website or on their
operating system software center. For developers they can be warned with a
message on source code project description or readme file.





On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:23 AM, María Arias de Reyna <
delawen+os...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Julien Michel 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am a fairly new charter member, so maybe the two following comments
>> here will be irrelevant.
>>
>> From my perspective, having Orfeo ToolBox as an incubating project
>> definitively helped us to move in the right direction. I am not saying that
>> it would not have occured without OSGeo, but the organization gives the
>> momentum and defines the standards to reach. As such, it is useful and
>> somehow efficient. The fact that the process is long is mostly on the
>> project side in our case.
>>
>> I think that the Github move is hazardous. Sure, it is easy, free for
>> open-source projects, and really really cool. Granted, it helps a lot in
>> getting fluid contributions to open-source projects. But ... in two years,
>> they may start shipping sponsors links at the end of the Readme files, and
>> in a moments notice you have to watch 20 seconds ads before cloning. At
>> this point, you will want to bail out, only to find out that in fact you
>> can not, because you can not delete the project anymore, or the issue
>> tracker database can not be exported ...
>>
>> My point is, OSGeo should care about long-term protection of GIS
>> open-source, and if this goal aligns for now with services that Github
>> provides, it may no longer be the case in the future .Of course we need to
>> be on Github: it is a public place to be, like twitter & co. But completely
>> giving up code hosting and developers exchanges to a private company is the
>> opposite of what I think the organization should do.
>>
>> I know proper hosting services requires time and money, I do not have the
>> solution to that, but for me OSGeo should provide a sustainable
>> alternative, up-to-date and tailored for its purpose.
>>
>>
> Completely agree with you, Julien. Avoid openess and advance towards
> freedom :)
>
> The easiest solution is to have our own git repository+dashboard on our
> own server, like with gitlab: https://about.gitlab.com/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Harish]

- A family need a Father, even if children are grown enough to run their
lives.
- If some problems are there in vehicle, it does not mean that vehicle
should be thrown out.

When I teach "Why QGIS", one big answer always is "It is an OSGeo product",
and it has a meaning. There are thousands of software available, some are
free some and some are open source also, but when they will turn to
commercial, no one knows. This fact always warn me for not using any other
product, except open source preferably with OSGeo Banner/Umbrella. So there
is always need of a charioteer to keep the horses in same direction. The
direction may be decided/changed with mutual consensus.

For a developer sky may be the limit, but for users like me OSGeo is the
limit.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Julien Michel 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am a fairly new charter member, so maybe the two following comments here
> will be irrelevant.
>
> From my perspective, having Orfeo ToolBox as an incubating project
> definitively helped us to move in the right direction. I am not saying that
> it would not have occured without OSGeo, but the organization gives the
> momentum and defines the standards to reach. As such, it is useful and
> somehow efficient. The fact that the process is long is mostly on the
> project side in our case.
>
> I think that the Github move is hazardous. Sure, it is easy, free for
> open-source projects, and really really cool. Granted, it helps a lot in
> getting fluid contributions to open-source projects. But ... in two years,
> they may start shipping sponsors links at the end of the Readme files, and
> in a moments notice you have to watch 20 seconds ads before cloning. At
> this point, you will want to bail out, only to find out that in fact you
> can not, because you can not delete the project anymore, or the issue
> tracker database can not be exported ...
>
> My point is, OSGeo should care about long-term protection of GIS
> open-source, and if this goal aligns for now with services that Github
> provides, it may no longer be the case in the future .Of course we need to
> be on Github: it is a public place to be, like twitter & co. But completely
> giving up code hosting and developers exchanges to a private company is the
> opposite of what I think the organization should do.
>
> I know proper hosting services requires time and money, I do not have the
> solution to that, but for me OSGeo should provide a sustainable
> alternative, up-to-date and tailored for its purpose.
>
>
Completely agree with you, Julien. Avoid openess and advance towards
freedom :)

The easiest solution is to have our own git repository+dashboard on our own
server, like with gitlab: https://about.gitlab.com/
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps

[Jo Cook]

Hi All,

I just wanted to draw your attention to this, from W3C if you have not
already seen it. I don't have the technical know-how to see if there are
any negative implications but there are opportunities to comment.

https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/
http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/

Regards

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Margherita Di Leo]

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Darrell Fuhriman 
wrote:
>
>
> All of those are great and wonderful things! The community does great and
> wonderful things. That’ s not my point.
>
> My point is, those activities would happen even if the OSGeo Foundation
> disappeared. I’m not questioning whether we have a large and vibrant
> community, we do. And we still would.
>
> My local chapter existed before it was an OSGeo chapter, and we would keep
> on having meetings and doing fun and exciting things even without the OSGeo
> Foundation.
>
> Put another way: The OSGeo Foundation needs the Open Source Geospatial
> community, but does the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo
> Foundation? I don’t see that it does.
>
> A lot of food for thoughts here! I fully agree that the community would
survive without OSGeo, as well as local chapters. From my point of view
this is an important sign that the community is resilient, and the
horizontal structure of OSGeo fits well with it. But this does not imply
that OSGeo is an added value for the community, and I think an important
one. There are a number of activities that benefit from an umbrella
organization. One is the Google Summer of Code, just to cite an example
that I know. It would be possible as well for the single projects to
participate on their own, but this would mean organizational burden
multiplied for the number of the projects. Further, even the participation
of a large org like OSGeo is not given for granted, for example this year
an important org like Mozilla was not accepted [1]. Smaller projects might
have reduced possibility to take part. Other important examples include
initiatives like Geo4All, the education committee, the FOSS4Gs, etc.. I
don't even want to try to mention all of them.
I also think that there is (as always happens) room for improvement. But
remember that all the activities are carried out by volunteers.
I think that for example OSGeo could provide a sort of reimbursement for
the time spent by the volunteers working at the server infrastructure
behind the web site and the mailing lists, and could potentially think to
stipend other key figures. OSGeo could for example offer first legal advice
for the companies who decide to release their code under a free license.
Could even offer an infrastructure to gather and keep the money for the
various projects.. I am not well informed about the implication of the
bylaws and whether all this is possible or not. I think that all these (and
more) activities would give more sense to the umbrella role. But these are
not for free, therefore there should be a decision behind whether OSGeo
wants to invest in this direction.

Just my 2 eurocents
regards,
Margherita


[1]
http://blog.queze.net/post/2015/03/03/Mozilla-not-accepted-for-Google-Summer-of-Code-2015



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps

[Bruce Bannerman]

The joint working W3C/OGC group that Scott refers to may be found at:

  http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Main_Page

Bruce





> From:  on behalf of Scott Simmons <
> ssimm...@opengeospatial.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 29 September 2015 07:04
> To: Cameron Shorter 
> Cc: Discuss OSGeo 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps
>
> Cameron,
>
> Thanks!  Yes, we do currently have a joint working group with W3C for
> “Spatial Data on the Web” and that group has been keeping tabs on the
> activity of this community in W3C.  Interestingly, I think that Jo’s e-mail
> has rekindled some of the interest (certainly has for me!).
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Cameron Shorter 
> wrote:
>
> Scott, Carl,
> I suspect this initiative would be something that the OGC would be
> interested in?
>
> Cheers, Cameron
>
> On 28/09/2015 9:06 pm, Jo Cook wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to draw your attention to this, from W3C if you have not
> already seen it. I don't have the technical know-how to see if there are
> any negative implications but there are opportunities to comment.
>
> https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/
> http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/
>
> Regards
>
> Jo
>
> --
> *Jo Cook*
> Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18
> 7RL, UK
> t:+44 7930 524 155
> iShare - Data integration and publishing platform
> 
>
> *
>
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> 864201149.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Jody,


Thank you for your insightful inputs. I would like to also use this opportunity 
to invite Industry like Boundless team who are committed to OSGeo ideals be 
more actively involved in Geo4All as Industry partner for rapidly expanding 
opportunities.


I discussed this with Marc Vloemans (cc in ) last week when we met at SASIG 
2015  http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2015/   in Lisbon. So i look forward to hear from 
Marc and others in the industry for closer collaborations in both education and 
research collaborations (esp. for H2020 opportunities). For example have a look 
at the Open City Smart activities  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Opencitysmart


All - Please do join our mail lists , so you all get updated on the 
developments  http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/


Best wishes,


Suchith


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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:26 PM
To: Darrell Fuhriman
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

Great set of open ended questions Darrell, and difficult to answer as there is 
a gap between what OSGeo is in position to do as a volunteer driven 
organization and all the opportunities available in our industry. Since OSGeo 
is a transparent organization we all had a ring side seat for the decline in 
sponsorship leading to the board scaling back ambitions a few years back.

My strategy is to work with a number of organizations to get the job done. I 
have worked with OGC in the past on standards. I volunteer with LocationTech 
currently on industry outreach. And perhaps most importantly with the Boundless 
team as they work across a range of our OSGeo projects, tribes and timezones.

OSGeo is providing a lot of value and opportunities for everyone involved and I 
have accepted this nomination to step up and take part.

1) What do you see as OSGeo’s purpose today?

Same as it always has been, to foster a healthy environment for open source 
spatial software to succeed.

The fun part of this is with such a diverse community there are many different 
ways to succeed (as pointed out by your other email). Developing the software, 
and reaching out to new projects, being my passion. Working with groups like 
the OGC to foster an level playing field of standards for our software to grow. 
Working with Geo4All to produce course materials for our software to be useful 
in an education context.

1a) What is OSGeo doing today that it shouldn’t be doing?

Waiting: As a volunteer based organization our response is often measured by 
drumming up interest in the short term, or painting a long range strategy that 
inspires. Waiting provides a hesitation that kills the enthusiasm on which we 
thrive. Please don't wait - dive in.

2) What do you see as OSGeo’s purpose in five years?

In five years OSGeo should be even more of a force to be reckoned with. Our 
open source software is gradually taking hold, and we will see the first 
harvest from the seeds Geo4All is planning in our education system. We need to 
make good on this harvest and responsibly direct the future of our industry.

2a) What should OSGeo be doing in five years that it *isn’t* doing today?

Building reliable lines of communication/collaboration with external 
organizations. Spearheading RnD collaborations to fill in holes in our open 
source ecosystem.

We should take the bigger picture and *start* projects based on our vision 
rather than wait for software to come to us. As an example some five years 
after WPS servers started popping up we are finally getting decent client 
support. OSGeo should be in position to collaborate with the OGC and make sure 
a reference client and server are available for each new specification as they 
are produced.

We should follow the OGC "Test Bed" model and give projects an opportunity and 
funding to address interoperability issues.

3) How do we get from (1) to (2)?

Treasuring our volunteers, promoting our sponsors (direct and indirect) and 
fundraising (rather than complaining about lack of resources).

Staying focused on our mission, and redirecting projects/questions/causes to a 
more appropriate venue if they are not ours to answer.

3a) How can you help that?

By staying focused on the health and happiness of our projects, measuring 
success by number of employed developers, growth in the number of pull requests.

By celebrating and caring for our volunteers, pride in each accomplishment, joy 
in each new member ... and keeping an eye on each other so we do not burn out.

By recognizing that the board members are also volunteers, asking as much from 
our membership as we do from the board.

--
Jody Garnett

On 21 September 2015 at 11:03, Darrell Fuhriman 
> wrote:
I have a set of inter-related questions for board candidates.

1) What do you see as OSGeo’s 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Vote for OSGeo Board of Directors elections 2015 extended

[Vasile Craciunescu]

Hi Jorge,

I know that was not necessary to go that far. For sure I would not 
expect the same from the next CRO. Anyway, I felt that it's necessary to 
clarify the status of some of our members. It's clear that some of the 
old members don't have enough time these days for OSGeo. Also, we have 
members with outdated contacts. And, finally, some members needed a push 
to react :)


Best,
Vasile


On 9/28/15 9:07 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote:

On 28 September 2015 at 19:52, Vasile Craciunescu
 wrote:

Dear Gert-Jan,

For sure we will check this year with all the charter members that did note
vote. Checking with all of them it's really no easy task. It took me many
many hours in the last two days just to send messages to almost 100 people
(most of them on other channels than the e-mail used in their connection
with OSGeo). But, you are right, somehow we should have a method to make
sure we are connected with all our charter members.

Best,
Vasile



Vasile I think you did more than was expected. With the reminders to
the filed e-mail addresses but also Discuss and the Charter Members
list I think it's enough and if a Charter Member is not following any
of those inputs, it's not the CRO responsibility to try to reach them
by any means. We are lucky to have such a big and broad membership and
every year someone will miss the elections for one reason or another.

Of course it's awesome you took that time to do it but I wouldn't
expect that from future CROs, you've done more than enough my friend.

Cheers.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps

[Cameron Shorter]

Scott, Carl,
I suspect this initiative would be something that the OGC would be 
interested in?


Cheers, Cameron

On 28/09/2015 9:06 pm, Jo Cook wrote:

Hi All,

I just wanted to draw your attention to this, from W3C if you have not 
already seen it. I don't have the technical know-how to see if there 
are any negative implications but there are opportunities to comment.


https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/
http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/

Regards

Jo

--
*Jo Cook*
Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, 
KT18 7RL, UK

t:+44 7930 524 155
iShare - Data integration and publishing platform 



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Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT 
no. 864201149.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Use cases and requirements for web maps

[Scott Simmons]

Cameron,

Thanks!  Yes, we do currently have a joint working group with W3C for “Spatial 
Data on the Web” and that group has been keeping tabs on the activity of this 
community in W3C.  Interestingly, I think that Jo’s e-mail has rekindled some 
of the interest (certainly has for me!).

Best Regards,
Scott


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, Carl,
> I suspect this initiative would be something that the OGC would be interested 
> in?
> 
> Cheers, Cameron
> 
> On 28/09/2015 9:06 pm, Jo Cook wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I just wanted to draw your attention to this, from W3C if you have not 
>> already seen it. I don't have the technical know-how to see if there are any 
>> negative implications but there are opportunities to comment.
>> 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/ 
>> 
>> http://maps4html.github.io/HTML-Map-Element-UseCases-Requirements/ 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Jo
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jo Cook
>> Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 
>> 7RL, UK 
>> t:+44 7930 524 155
>> iShare - Data integration and publishing platform 
>> 
>> 
>> * 
>> 
>> Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. 
>> Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 
>> 864201149.
>> 
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> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
> 
> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com ,  F +61 2 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Vote for OSGeo Board of Directors elections 2015 extended

[Gert-Jan van der Weijden]

For next years Charter member elections I would suggest to check in  
advance with the existing Charter members whether they plan to stay in  
their position, and if their contact info as registered with OSGeo is  
still valid.


Regards,

GJ


Vasile Craciunescu  schreef:


Dear charter members,

Your CRO speaking. Please find bellow the board of directors  
election status 2 hours before the official voting deadline:


Full responses: 215
Incomplete responses: 7
No response: 58

I decided to extend the voting period until Tuesday midnight (12:00  
GMT September 29). Meantime, I will try to get personally in touch  
with all the 65 charter members who did vote until now, via all  
known electronic means. Actually, some of you already received a  
"personal reminder" via different social media.


I'm doing this because:

1. Some of you had a thick agenda in office after vacation or due to  
events like FOSS4G.
2. Some of the contacts in our database are not up to date or some  
charter members are registered with OSGeo with e-mail addresses that  
are not checking on a regular basis anymore.
3. Some of you are no longer involved in geospatial world or no  
longer have time for OSGeo. This is totally understandable. If you  
are in this position, please consider to step down/retire from the  
charter member group. But also, please, let us know.


Best,
Vasile

PS please do not get angry on me if you receive reminders on more  
than on channel :)







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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Jody,


Thank you for your insightful inputs. I would like to also use this opportunity 
to invite Industry like Boundless team who are committed to OSGeo ideals be 
more actively involved in Geo4All as Industry partner for rapidly expanding 
opportunities.


I discussed this with Marc Vloemans (cc in ) last week when we met at SASIG 
2015  http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2015/   in Lisbon. So i look forward to hear from 
Marc and others in the industry for closer collaborations in both education and 
research collaborations (esp. for H2020 opportunities). For example have a look 
at the Open City Smart activities  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Opencitysmart


All - Please do join our mail lists , so you all get updated on the 
developments  http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/


Best wishes,


Suchith


From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on 
behalf of Jody Garnett [jody.garn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:26 PM
To: Darrell Fuhriman
Cc: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Question(s) for board candidates

Great set of open ended questions Darrell, and difficult to answer as there is 
a gap between what OSGeo is in position to do as a volunteer driven 
organization and all the opportunities available in our industry. Since OSGeo 
is a transparent organization we all had a ring side seat for the decline in 
sponsorship leading to the board scaling back ambitions a few years back.

My strategy is to work with a number of organizations to get the job done. I 
have worked with OGC in the past on standards. I volunteer with LocationTech 
currently on industry outreach. And perhaps most importantly with the Boundless 
team as they work across a range of our OSGeo projects, tribes and timezones.

OSGeo is providing a lot of value and opportunities for everyone involved and I 
have accepted this nomination to step up and take part.

1) What do you see as OSGeo’s purpose today?

Same as it always has been, to foster a healthy environment for open source 
spatial software to succeed.

The fun part of this is with such a diverse community there are many different 
ways to succeed (as pointed out by your other email). Developing the software, 
and reaching out to new projects, being my passion. Working with groups like 
the OGC to foster an level playing field of standards for our software to grow. 
Working with Geo4All to produce course materials for our software to be useful 
in an education context.

1a) What is OSGeo doing today that it shouldn’t be doing?

Waiting: As a volunteer based organization our response is often measured by 
drumming up interest in the short term, or painting a long range strategy that 
inspires. Waiting provides a hesitation that kills the enthusiasm on which we 
thrive. Please don't wait - dive in.

2) What do you see as OSGeo’s purpose in five years?

In five years OSGeo should be even more of a force to be reckoned with. Our 
open source software is gradually taking hold, and we will see the first 
harvest from the seeds Geo4All is planning in our education system. We need to 
make good on this harvest and responsibly direct the future of our industry.

2a) What should OSGeo be doing in five years that it *isn’t* doing today?

Building reliable lines of communication/collaboration with external 
organizations. Spearheading RnD collaborations to fill in holes in our open 
source ecosystem.

We should take the bigger picture and *start* projects based on our vision 
rather than wait for software to come to us. As an example some five years 
after WPS servers started popping up we are finally getting decent client 
support. OSGeo should be in position to collaborate with the OGC and make sure 
a reference client and server are available for each new specification as they 
are produced.

We should follow the OGC "Test Bed" model and give projects an opportunity and 
funding to address interoperability issues.

3) How do we get from (1) to (2)?

Treasuring our volunteers, promoting our sponsors (direct and indirect) and 
fundraising (rather than complaining about lack of resources).

Staying focused on our mission, and redirecting projects/questions/causes to a 
more appropriate venue if they are not ours to answer.

3a) How can you help that?

By staying focused on the health and happiness of our projects, measuring 
success by number of employed developers, growth in the number of pull requests.

By celebrating and caring for our volunteers, pride in each accomplishment, joy 
in each new member ... and keeping an eye on each other so we do not burn out.

By recognizing that the board members are also volunteers, asking as much from 
our membership as we do from the board.

--
Jody Garnett

On 21 September 2015 at 11:03, Darrell Fuhriman 
> wrote:
I have a set of inter-related questions for board candidates.

1) What do you see as OSGeo’s