[OSGeo-Discuss] 10th Jornadas de SIG Libre (Spanish FOSS4G) + 2nd International QGIS User and Developer Conference, May 2016

[Lluís Vicens]

It is a huge pleasure for us, announcing the new dates for the upcoming 
10th edition of the Spanish FOSS4G, the so called "Jornadas de SIG 
Libre". [1]


The conference will take place in May 2016 (24th-29th), and coinciding 
with our 10th edition, we wanted to prepare something special, something 
different, and that is why in addition to the Spanish Foss4G, next May 
we will jointly organize the 2nd International QGIS User and Developer 
Conference, as well as a QGIS Hack Fest.


So, this coming May we have a whole week to be completely immersed into 
Free and Open Source Geospatial Technologies here in Girona!


Please, stay tuned for what's coming... and save the dates! More details 
very soon!


[1] http://www.sigte.udg.edu/jornadassiglibre/en/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

[Jody Garnett]

I also find it good to ask project leads to pass on announcements of this
nature to their user lists ( more reach the better ).
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:10 AM Steven Feldman  wrote:

> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
>
> I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included names for 2011 and
> previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the spirit of fraternal support to
> future FOSS4Gs, I believe that was the right thing to do even though we
> neglected to have specific opt in/out option. No doubt they passed the
> extended list to 2015 and they have in turn shared with 2016. This is good
> not bad.
>
> We need to separate the animus towards LT from the apparent horror at the
> use of a ‘commercial’ service like MailChimp. Those of us who earn our
> living from Open Source Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and that means
> outreach to people who may not be followers of our mailing lists, so we
> need other channels. e-mail marketing is an established way of reaching
> potential FOSS4G participants, it is not evil, it probably isn’t spam (even
> if you haven’t opted in) as long as you provide an immediate opt out from
> further mail (which MailChimp does really well).
>
> If LT are willing to allow us access to their large contact list, surely
> that is something we should say thank you for not complain about? We might
> want to ask ourselves why their list is so much larger than ours? We have a
> list of several thousand accumulated from previous FOSS4Gs, using MailChimp
> enables us to clean that list down to interested participants very
> efficiently by providing a simple opt out.
>
> There is no reason why we should not continue to maintain a growing list
> of people who have attended, sponsored or expressed interest in
> OSGeo/FOSS4G. The norm should be that you are opted in by default as a
> result of past interest but every mail provides the option to opt out.
>
> Evangelising Open Source Geo is IMHO immensely worthwhile. To do that you
> need to be a bit pushy while finding the right balance.
>
> Let’s applaud our advocates, conference organisers and marketeers, not
> moan at them
>
> Apologies if this is a bit ranty (the first draft was way more ranty)
>
> Peace and goodwill to everyone for the holiday season whatever your faith
> __
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>
>
> On 16 Dec 2015, at 20:00, board-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote:
>
> *From: *Paul Ramsey 
> *Subject: **Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o*
> *Date: *16 December 2015 at 17:16:15 GMT
> *To: *Daniel Morissette 
> *Cc: *OSGeo Discussions 
>
>
>
> Agree w/ Daniel in all ways. We want our events to succeed, no? So we
> use marketing techniques to do so. Emails and so on. And we track who
> opens them so we can get better at marketing. Like any other business
> trying to succeed. Mail chimp is currently convenient, in the past
> other technologies were convenient (I spammed people in 2007 using a
> custom perl script, because I am a God Among Men), in the future
> different technologies will be convenient. But they are all going
> towards making a good event.
>
> Naturally the first targets of marketing the event will be people who
> have attended past events under the same/similar umbrella. I provided
> the 2007 attendance list to foss4g events for a number of years until
> it had grown entirely stale. I felt good about it. I revelled in the
> goodness of it.
>
> I have spammed. I will spam again, in the service of a good cause.
> That is my weakness. That is my strength.
>
> P.
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

[Steven Feldman]

+1,000,000 to what Paul has said

I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included names for 2011 and previous 
FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the spirit of fraternal support to future 
FOSS4Gs, I believe that was the right thing to do even though we neglected to 
have specific opt in/out option. No doubt they passed the extended list to 2015 
and they have in turn shared with 2016. This is good not bad.

We need to separate the animus towards LT from the apparent horror at the use 
of a ‘commercial’ service like MailChimp. Those of us who earn our living from 
Open Source Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and that means outreach to 
people who may not be followers of our mailing lists, so we need other 
channels. e-mail marketing is an established way of reaching potential FOSS4G 
participants, it is not evil, it probably isn’t spam (even if you haven’t opted 
in) as long as you provide an immediate opt out from further mail (which 
MailChimp does really well).

If LT are willing to allow us access to their large contact list, surely that 
is something we should say thank you for not complain about? We might want to 
ask ourselves why their list is so much larger than ours? We have a list of 
several thousand accumulated from previous FOSS4Gs, using MailChimp enables us 
to clean that list down to interested participants very efficiently by 
providing a simple opt out.

There is no reason why we should not continue to maintain a growing list of 
people who have attended, sponsored or expressed interest in OSGeo/FOSS4G. The 
norm should be that you are opted in by default as a result of past interest 
but every mail provides the option to opt out.

Evangelising Open Source Geo is IMHO immensely worthwhile. To do that you need 
to be a bit pushy while finding the right balance. 

Let’s applaud our advocates, conference organisers and marketeers, not moan at 
them

Apologies if this is a bit ranty (the first draft was way more ranty)

Peace and goodwill to everyone for the holiday season whatever your faith
__
Steven


> On 16 Dec 2015, at 20:00, board-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote:
> 
> From: Paul Ramsey  >
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o
> Date: 16 December 2015 at 17:16:15 GMT
> To: Daniel Morissette  >
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions  >
> 
> 
> Agree w/ Daniel in all ways. We want our events to succeed, no? So we
> use marketing techniques to do so. Emails and so on. And we track who
> opens them so we can get better at marketing. Like any other business
> trying to succeed. Mail chimp is currently convenient, in the past
> other technologies were convenient (I spammed people in 2007 using a
> custom perl script, because I am a God Among Men), in the future
> different technologies will be convenient. But they are all going
> towards making a good event.
> 
> Naturally the first targets of marketing the event will be people who
> have attended past events under the same/similar umbrella. I provided
> the 2007 attendance list to foss4g events for a number of years until
> it had grown entirely stale. I felt good about it. I revelled in the
> goodness of it.
> 
> I have spammed. I will spam again, in the service of a good cause.
> That is my weakness. That is my strength.
> 
> P.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] measuring email list activity

[Cameron Shorter]

On 17/12/2015 8:43 pm, Markus Neteler wrote:

Hi Cameron,
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Cameron Shorter
 wrote:

My gut feeling is that over the years email activity and new ideas has
gradually reduced on OSGeo-Discuss email list, and gradually increased on
the OSGeo-Board email list. (I'd love to find some evidenced based research
to confirm or deny this).

here is at least "discuss":
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.osgeo.discuss




Hey Markus,
This graph of email activity is really cool, although I'm not sure what 
conclusions to draw.
It seems that general email activity load has dropped slightly, except 
for a few periods of intense activity which are more than before.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

[Daniel Kastl]

Hi,

I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's
concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our best
for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a bit strong
and contained the  "LocationTech" keyword ;-)
I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo not
to be successful, and nobody is against marketing.

However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's right,
right?
If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle personal
data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no privacy policy,
we probably should have one, because there are at least a few countries
I know, where not being able to opt-out or receiving unwanted emails can
become a legal issue quickly (and cost money).

I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct, where
some people thought, we don't need that, because we're well-educated and
friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A code of conduct wasn't
something I cared about that time, because maybe it's not common in
countries where I live. But I learned, that it's an important document
for North American countries. And I think the privacy topic is a widely
discussed issue in European countries, and we have some lessons learned
about services/organizations trying to track us.
So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think you
already get tracked, when you open the email and the transparent image
gets loaded.
Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice here to
sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text only with
beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.

While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:
- Is the collected database of email addresses available on request for
every local chapter?
- If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization (in this
case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name), what happens
with these addresses later? Are they now merged with the "LocationTech
Tour" database or the whole Eclipse address pool, etc.?
- If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America, will I
be removed from the database and future announcements?

I think most email addresses collected from further events were for
registration purpose. There is no way to register without giving OSGeo
an email address.
And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if they
would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service.
So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address
collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only once a
year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a regional event,
and that the emails probably haven't been filtered by region. If we
continue this practice, will then every local FOSS4G be able to spread
the word in the name of OSGeo using a collected address list of the past
10 years?

Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better marketing
than using MailChimp.
Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G registrations,
where people can sign up for event announcements, even with regional
preferences eventually?

Best regards,
Daniel



On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman wrote:
> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
>
> I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included names for 2011 and
> previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the spirit of fraternal support
> to future FOSS4Gs, I believe that was the right thing to do even
> though we neglected to have specific opt in/out option. No doubt they
> passed the extended list to 2015 and they have in turn shared with
> 2016. This is good not bad.
>
> We need to separate the animus towards LT from the apparent horror at
> the use of a ‘commercial’ service like MailChimp. Those of us who earn
> our living from Open Source Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and
> that means outreach to people who may not be followers of our mailing
> lists, so we need other channels. e-mail marketing is an established
> way of reaching potential FOSS4G participants, it is not evil, it
> probably isn’t spam (even if you haven’t opted in) as long as you
> provide an immediate opt out from further mail (which MailChimp does
> really well).
>
> If LT are willing to allow us access to their large contact list,
> surely that is something we should say thank you for not complain
> about? We might want to ask ourselves why their list is so much larger
> than ours? We have a list of several thousand accumulated from
> previous FOSS4Gs, using MailChimp enables us to clean that list down
> to interested participants very efficiently by providing a simple opt out.
>
> There is no reason why we should not continue to maintain a growing
> list of people who have attended, sponsored or expressed interest in
> OSGeo/FOSS4G. The norm should be that you are opted in by default as a
> result of 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Privacy Policy: [was FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o]

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Maxi,
I love the constructive research that you have started here.

Email privacy was not as topical when foss4g email lists started getting 
collected, and tracing technologies such as mail chimp were as 
assessable as mail chimp is now. So we are right to retrospectively 
develop our policy in this area.


If you are up for it, I suggest following a similar process to what we 
did for getting the OSGeo Code of Conduct in place.
1. Research best practice policies. Find one that meets OSGeo community 
requirements (ideally addressing the majority of the ideas on this email 
thread)
2. Ideally find something that has been adopted and maintained as best 
practice among many organisations. (This is the Open Source Way).
3. Reference it, copy it verbatim, tweak it, or collate with other 
sources, (possibly into a wiki page)

4. Propose to OSGeo community for adoption. Collate feedback, tweak.
5. Have OSGeo adopt the policy.

Warm regards Cameron


On 18/12/2015 4:26 am, Daniel Kastl wrote:

Hi,

I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's 
concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our best 
for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a bit strong 
and contained the  "LocationTech" keyword ;-)
I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo not 
to be successful, and nobody is against marketing.


However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's 
right, right?
If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle 
personal data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no 
privacy policy, we probably should have one, because there are at 
least a few countries I know, where not being able to opt-out or 
receiving unwanted emails can become a legal issue quickly (and cost 
money).


I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct, 
where some people thought, we don't need that, because we're 
well-educated and friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A code 
of conduct wasn't something I cared about that time, because maybe 
it's not common in countries where I live. But I learned, that it's an 
important document for North American countries. And I think the 
privacy topic is a widely discussed issue in European countries, and 
we have some lessons learned about services/organizations trying to 
track us.
So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an 
encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think you 
already get tracked, when you open the email and the transparent image 
gets loaded.
Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice here to 
sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text only with 
beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.


While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:
- Is the collected database of email addresses available on request 
for every local chapter?
- If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization (in 
this case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name), what 
happens with these addresses later? Are they now merged with the 
"LocationTech Tour" database or the whole Eclipse address pool, etc.?
- If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America, will 
I be removed from the database and future announcements?


I think most email addresses collected from further events were for 
registration purpose. There is no way to register without giving OSGeo 
an email address.
And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if they 
would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service.
So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address 
collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only once a 
year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a regional event, 
and that the emails probably haven't been filtered by region. If we 
continue this practice, will then every local FOSS4G be able to spread 
the word in the name of OSGeo using a collected address list of the 
past 10 years?


Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better 
marketing than using MailChimp.
Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G registrations, 
where people can sign up for event announcements, even with regional 
preferences eventually?


Best regards,
Daniel



On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman wrote:

+1,000,000 to what Paul has said

I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included names for 2011 and 
previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the spirit of fraternal 
support to future FOSS4Gs, I believe that was the right thing to do 
even though we neglected to have specific opt in/out option. No doubt 
they passed the extended list to 2015 and they have in turn shared 
with 2016. This is good not bad.


We need to separate the animus towards LT from the apparent horror at 
the use of a ‘commercial’ service like MailChimp. Those of us who 
earn our living from Open Source Geo need to promote 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] measuring email list activity

[Markus Neteler]

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Cameron Shorter
 wrote:
> On 17/12/2015 8:43 pm, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cameron,
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> My gut feeling is that over the years email activity and new ideas has
>>> gradually reduced on OSGeo-Discuss email list, and gradually increased on
>>> the OSGeo-Board email list. (I'd love to find some evidenced based
>>> research
>>> to confirm or deny this).
>>
>> here is at least "discuss":
>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.osgeo.discuss
>>
>>
>
> Hey Markus,
> This graph of email activity is really cool, although I'm not sure what
> conclusions to draw.

Hi Cameron,

no conclusions possible I guess unless also the board list is
registered there to obtain the corresponding list traffic plot.
This might require a SAC ticket since I am not sure who manages the
gmane registration for main OSGeo lists.

Best
Markus
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o

[David Bianco]

If you've attended one FOSS4G, I think you should absolutely be on a 
interested-in-
foss4g list for next year.  Unsubscribe if you are no longer interested.

If you've attended one FOSS4G-NA, I think you should absolutely be on a
interested-in-foss4gna list for next year.  Unsubscribe if you are no
longer interested.

If you've never been to FOSS4G-NA, and you're not interested because of
the NA focus, seems fair that someone shouldn't get unsolicited email
marketing.

I'm quite indifferent about OSgeo v. LT, I would love to see them
holding hands walking off into the sunset.   I'll be at both conferences
next year, and am looking forward to it.  I don't think this topic is
about their differences at all.

** Seems to me if we can find an authoritative answer to Maxi's initial
question "How did they get his email address?", all of this would be put
to rest. **

To Paul's point about being a pro-spammer, I don't see how that is
relevant today.   I spam myself everyday with twitter, discuss lists,
local events, facebook, slack,     there is no shortage of ways to
communicate.   I learn about non-NA geo conferences all the time from
these media outlets, and I like it.   I would love to attend one some
day.   But as far as I can remember, none of them ever sent me a direct
unsolicited email.



On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, at 09:26, Daniel Kastl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's
concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our
best for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a bit
strong and contained the  "LocationTech" keyword ;-)
> I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo
not to be successful, and nobody is against marketing.
>
> However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's
right, right?
> If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle
personal data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no
privacy policy, we probably should have one, because there are at
least a few countries I know, where not being able to opt-out or
receiving unwanted emails can become a legal issue quickly (and
cost money).
>
> I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct,
where some people thought, we don't need that, because we're well-
educated and friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A code
of conduct wasn't something I cared about that time, because maybe
it's not common in countries where I live. But I learned, that it's
an important document for North American countries. And I think the
privacy topic is a widely discussed issue in European countries,
and we have some lessons learned about services/organizations
trying to track us.
> So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think
you already get tracked, when you open the email and the transparent
image gets loaded.
> Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice here
to sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text only
with beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.
>
> While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:
> - Is the collected database of email addresses available on request
for every local chapter?
> - If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization (in
this case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name),
what happens with these addresses later? Are they now merged
with the "LocationTech Tour" database or the whole Eclipse
address pool, etc.?
> - If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America,
will I be removed from the database and future announcements?
>
> I think most email addresses collected from further events were for
registration purpose. There is no way to register without giving
OSGeo an email address.
> And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if
they would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service.
> So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address
collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only once
a year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a regional
event, and that the emails probably haven't been filtered by region.
If we continue this practice, will then every local FOSS4G be able
to spread the word in the name of OSGeo using a collected address
list of the past 10 years?
>
> Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better
marketing than using MailChimp.
> Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G
registrations, where people can sign up for event announcements,
even with regional preferences eventually?
>
> Best regards, Daniel
>
>
>
> On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman
  wrote:
>> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
>>
>> I also passed the FOSS4G 

[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Privacy Policy: [was FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o]

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear Gert, deal all,
after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up some considerations
to re-focus to subject of my first e-mail and that in my opinion should led
OSGeo foundation to at least one or two argument for discussion.

1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive" marketing strategies using
mailing lists where the users didn't explicitly agree in being notified.

2- There are laws on privacy protection which are different  for different
countries/region (this is explained for example at this resource, but I'm
not a loyer: http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp )

3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much as possible of all
the existing rules

4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open Source Software For
Geospatial conferences


Said that each person or organization is responsible for its acts (and is
free to behave as he/she/it prefer), I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G
that is with no doubt recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a
well defined privacy protection policy with is
as much protective of privacy as possible.

Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:
- Apache foundation (http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html
)
- Eclipse foundation (https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php)
- Debian (http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/)
- Software Freedom Conservancy (https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/)
- OpenStack (https://www.openstack.org/privacy/)


>From a short reading all of them seems state that they do not pass
information to third parties and do not use these information for sending
newsletter unless explicitly agreed.



So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in the future people
will be more sensitive and respectful of privacy when they act in the name
of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm 1000% happy and accept any blame on me.


Best regard,
Maxi








2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00 Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl <
gert-...@osgeo.nl>:

> First: I took the opportunity to change the subject of this thread to a
> less shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live side-by-side on my
> email-irritation-scale)
>
>
>
>
>
> Second: Funny to see how the use of two different channels (mailing list
> vs. MailChimp) kind of reflect the different approaches to reach the -more
> of less- same goal.
>
> Any expanding organisation / movement / community comes to a point where
> the classical channels (like a mailing list) reach their limits,
>
> and "new" marketing (yuch! marketing==ugly & bad!) channels & methods may
> help to stretch beyond borders. Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to
> tell, I guess).
>
>
>
> Food for thought for the Board face2face meeting in January (and for the
> entire community) to determine
>
> - what our goals are
>
> - what our values are
>
> - and how these two compare to each other.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Gert-Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *Namens *Rob
> Emanuele
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 15 december 2015 21:51
> *Aan:* David Bianco
> *CC:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o
>
>
>
> Hey David,
>
>
>
> The emails on the mailing list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA
> attendees, people opting in in other ways, and from lists that were given
> by members of this and last year's committee. If we're spamming people who
> didn't opt in, it is not intentional and apologies for the spam (the world
> certainly doesn't need more spam). We'll take a look at the list moving
> forward to try to prevent from sending emails to anyone who didn't opt in.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 2:48 PM, David Bianco  wrote:
>
> I believe MailChimp has policies against adding emails to your list
> without a user's authorization.
>
>
>
> http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:
>
> Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't yet posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I just
> posted it.
>
> There's a one-click unsubscribe button from that mailing list, sorry for
> the spam!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <
> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>
> Just a funny note...
>
>
>
> Nice to see that LocationTech has a FOSS4G email ( WOW!)
>
>
>
> and.
>
> that all the link on the received e-mail are connected with my user_id (I
> have one? Yes)
>
>
>
> and
>
> that they are tracked (!!! without inform me !!!)
>
>
>
> and...
>
> that I have been added to a list that i'm not subscribed (
> http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/)
>
>
>
>
>
> But...
>
> Where did they get my e-mail from?
>
> why thy didn't simply post the news to the discussion-osgeo list?
>
> what do they want to track?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *If you want to see the FOSS4G-NA without been traced here is the
> link https://2016.foss4g-na.org/ *
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Privacy Policy: [was FOSS4GNA - Someone is watching you :-o]

[Jody Garnett]

Thanks for the productive discussion - some of those privacy policies seem
to be website specific ( rather than for an organization as a whole ).

We just are rebooting the webcom so the timing is good for a privacy
discussion. It may be easier to start here and then branch out to project /
committee email lists and a foundation wide policy.

We have a different understanding of foss4g Maxi.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:08 AM Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> Dear Gert, deal all,
> after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up some considerations
> to re-focus to subject of my first e-mail and that in my opinion should led
> OSGeo foundation to at least one or two argument for discussion.
>
> 1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive" marketing strategies using
> mailing lists where the users didn't explicitly agree in being notified.
>
> 2- There are laws on privacy protection which are different  for different
> countries/region (this is explained for example at this resource, but I'm
> not a loyer: http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp )
>
> 3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much as possible of all
> the existing rules
>
> 4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open Source Software For
> Geospatial conferences
>
>
> Said that each person or organization is responsible for its acts (and is
> free to behave as he/she/it prefer), I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G
> that is with no doubt recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a
> well defined privacy protection policy with is
> as much protective of privacy as possible.
>
> Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:
> - Apache foundation (
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html)
> - Eclipse foundation (https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php)
> - Debian (http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/)
> - Software Freedom Conservancy (https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/)
> - OpenStack (https://www.openstack.org/privacy/)
>
>
> From a short reading all of them seems state that they do not pass
> information to third parties and do not use these information for sending
> newsletter unless explicitly agreed.
>
>
>
> So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in the future people
> will be more sensitive and respectful of privacy when they act in the name
> of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm 1000% happy and accept any blame on me.
>
>
> Best regard,
> Maxi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00 Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl <
> gert-...@osgeo.nl>:
>
>> First: I took the opportunity to change the subject of this thread to a
>> less shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live side-by-side on my
>> email-irritation-scale)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Second: Funny to see how the use of two different channels (mailing list
>> vs. MailChimp) kind of reflect the different approaches to reach the -more
>> of less- same goal.
>>
>> Any expanding organisation / movement / community comes to a point where
>> the classical channels (like a mailing list) reach their limits,
>>
>> and "new" marketing (yuch! marketing==ugly & bad!) channels & methods may
>> help to stretch beyond borders. Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to
>> tell, I guess).
>>
>>
>>
>> Food for thought for the Board face2face meeting in January (and for the
>> entire community) to determine
>>
>> - what our goals are
>>
>> - what our values are
>>
>> - and how these two compare to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gert-Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *Namens *Rob
>> Emanuele
>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 15 december 2015 21:51
>> *Aan:* David Bianco
>> *CC:* OSGeo Discussions
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey David,
>>
>>
>>
>> The emails on the mailing list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA
>> attendees, people opting in in other ways, and from lists that were given
>> by members of this and last year's committee. If we're spamming people who
>> didn't opt in, it is not intentional and apologies for the spam (the world
>> certainly doesn't need more spam). We'll take a look at the list moving
>> forward to try to prevent from sending emails to anyone who didn't opt in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 2:48 PM, David Bianco  wrote:
>>
>> I believe MailChimp has policies against adding emails to your list
>> without a user's authorization.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't yet posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I
>> just posted it.
>>
>> There's a one-click unsubscribe button from that mailing list, sorry for
>> the spam!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <
>> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Just a funny note...
>>
>>