Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Resignation

[Ravi Kumar]

Nice to know that you are not Leaving after all..

Remember you from my
OpenJUMP (GIS  )with Joy times

Cheers

Ravi

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Landon Blake 
wrote:

> I feel its time I officially resigned as Chater Member, Editor of the
> OSGeo Journal and Board Rep for the California Chapter. I haven't been very
> successful at these jobs over the past couple of years, and changes in my
> wife's health and my job situation mean I have less time to invest in
> OSGeo. The organization is also much larger and more broadly supported than
> it was when I started. I feel like I need to get out of the way so others
> can act in my abscence.
>
> I think I will continue to help out with the Incubation Committee, in the
> hope that focusing my modest resources may actually result in some good. We
> will see how that goes.
>
> That means we will need volunteers to step up to fill both positions. I'm
> not disappearing, so I will be around to help the new volunteers learn the
> ropes if needed.
>
> I'm sorry this has taken me so long. If I  had done it sooner, perhaps
> we;d already have other robust leadership in place.
>
> It is good to see how global this organization has become.
>
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> don't flood everyone's inbox: sunburned.surve...@gmail.com
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Welcome OSGeo Board

[Ravi Kumar]

Hi Board and Charter,

welcome New Board.. Let us the charter members of OSGeo Join on the IRC
Chat of all board meetings, and nearly make it an all encompassing worldly,
 'Rainbow coalition'.

Charter pl see

1. Make your OSGeo advocate page
2. OSGeo User Talk
3. Subscribe to OSGeo Board List to know whats-up, and join IRC Chat

“The timeless in you is aware of life's timelessness. And knows that
yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream.”
― Kahlil Gibran
, The Prophet


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Resignation

[Landon Blake]

I feel its time I officially resigned as Chater Member, Editor of the OSGeo
Journal and Board Rep for the California Chapter. I haven't been very
successful at these jobs over the past couple of years, and changes in my
wife's health and my job situation mean I have less time to invest in
OSGeo. The organization is also much larger and more broadly supported than
it was when I started. I feel like I need to get out of the way so others
can act in my abscence.

I think I will continue to help out with the Incubation Committee, in the
hope that focusing my modest resources may actually result in some good. We
will see how that goes.

That means we will need volunteers to step up to fill both positions. I'm
not disappearing, so I will be around to help the new volunteers learn the
ropes if needed.

I'm sorry this has taken me so long. If I  had done it sooner, perhaps we;d
already have other robust leadership in place.

It is good to see how global this organization has become.

Please reach out to me by private e-mail if you have any questions so we
don't flood everyone's inbox: sunburned.surve...@gmail.com

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[Cameron Shorter]

Extending on Maria's comments (and others),

I think we are over-emphasising the relative importance of the OSGeo 
board. Reducing the importance of the board will increase the importance 
and influence of our OSGeo committees.


If OSGeo is a Do-ocracy and Meritocracy, and the influencers in OSGeo 
comes from the Do-ers in our community, then questions like board 
diversity almost becomes a non-issue.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 31/10/17 6:14 pm, María Arias de Reyna wrote:

Dear all,

Sorry for the late response. I was busy going back from different 
timezones and that is a killer for me (travelling, being sleepy, etc...).


I agree with Sanghee that we have gone one step backwards. We have 
lost Asia in the board. That's a step backwards we shouldn't have had. 
And I agree with 90% of opinions posted here that are sad about the 
European-NAmerica board. So I will just highlight what I don't agree 
with. And this is an optimistic email, I don't share the general 
pessimism. Wait for the end of it.


I don't agree that Venka has been punished somehow despite his good 
work. Do you really think that if someone is doing a good work that 
should warrantee his position on the board? I don't think so. I think 
the reward of doing a good job comes somewhere else: recognition, 
¿fame?, trust, acknowledgement, even free beers! But even if you think 
a position on the board is a reward, then, maybe other people have 
been also rewarded with that for work outside the presidency of OSGeo 
but inside the community. Or maybe people just wanted a fresh view, 
not necessarily that meaning that his work (or your work!) was bad. 
There is a lot of reasons for voting someone and I personally think 
that a "reward" vote shouldn't be one. Having other candidates with 
more votes doesn't mean you did a bad job at all.


Do I think that you both should be on the board? Yes, of course! But 
this has also been (at least for me) a very difficult voting. It was 
very hard to choose between the candidates. All had good reasons to be 
there, all had good work done inside the community. So, how to choose? 
I know what you have been doing because I have done an explicit effort 
to know about that. I have gone to international events, I have 
followed the mailing lists, I have followed many threads on twitter. 
Most people only know what people around them do. So it is possible 
(and very likely, in my opinion) that a lot of people just see OSGeo 
as an organization, but don't see the work of individuals. So for 
them, Venka is that person who does the "history of OSGeo" talk, but 
nothing special around him that other active members don't have. If we 
ask members who has been behind the new website, how many of them 
would know? And that is something that has had a lot of publicity 
recently. What about all the rest of work that has less exposure?


So when it comes to voting, they see candidates who are active in 
trying to show their views and other candidates that are not present. 
Not being present on the election process, that is what have drained 
votes, I would say. Not your fault, maybe, but how do we explain that 
to people who don't see individuals because they are already busy with 
local and regional stuff?


And now the optimistic part:On the other hand, we have gone two steps 
forward. Wait, what? Let me explain:


We are finally half male half female. Although this may not look like 
a step forward to some of you, to me it is a huge win. And we did that 
without the need for quotas. That't a double win. And it is a tendency 
that has been stable so I am optimistic here.


And the other step, but still an important step forward, we have 
recovered the long lost Iberoamerican community in the board. Since 
Jorge Sanz, we haven't had a spanish-speaking board member. I know I 
count as European, but I am as European as I am part of the large 
(huge!) community that culturally spreads also on north, central and 
south America. So yes, Vicky may have been a better representative of 
this community because she is not european, but still, I plan to work 
hard on getting latin americans closer to OSGeo. Remember that this 
community is the ¿largest? community in OSGeo and they are very silent 
because many reasons (low English level, no international FOSS4G being 
done close, middle income economy that can't afford to travel far or 
even organizing codesprints properly!,... etc...). Most of them work 
hard towards OSGeo and don't even know there is such a thing as a 
membership! They just work aligned with our goals and inside the 
community, but they see so far away the OSGeo "official" community 
that they don't even bother to get closer. To get what? What would be 
their motivation to get closer to a community that largely ignores them?


If you think OSGeo has less importance in South America, check the 
GeoInquietos. Different branding, same work. On the FOSS4G-BA, after 
María Brovelli's talk about OSGeo, many of them 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[Andy Anderson]

Let me just suggest, again, that the board be elected using Ranked Choice 
Voting with Proportional Representation. This allows the different significant 
interests that are still in the minority of the membership to coalesce around 
candidates who represent those interests so that they can get a seat on the 
board and ensure a fair hearing. This is automatic, it doesn't require 
districting or quotas.

http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation

— Andy

On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:

Hi all, Frank:

I have being woman all my life and also Mexican, I fall in both categories, but 
personally I want to win in a fair game, not to fill a quota, and in this case 
is two quotas!!!. I don't feel that ever in my life I won something to fill a 
quota and I don't want to start to be used to fill a quota.

Storm is over and my baby elephant is eating fresh grass that is starting to 
grow.

Being on the board or not, there is work to be done.

Regards
Vicky

​PS. I will think of option(s) that are not filling quotas.








On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Frank Warmerdam 
> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar
> wrote:
> Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and those
> 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too.

Ravi,

I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in
motion' is a hint to me.

I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly
concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc.  Lets all give folks
the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their
fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-)

Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I
would have hoped by now.  I think it would be reasonable to adapt the
board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we
want to see covered.  I could imagine a couple of special rules like:
 - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a
female running in the election the female with the most votes will
replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the
board.
 - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are
outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates
running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have
made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most
votes.

Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed,
but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be
helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation.

I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
by the board.

But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are
an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals.  While
we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe
the best intentions to others in our community.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[María Arias de Reyna]

Dear all,

Sorry for the late response. I was busy going back from different timezones
and that is a killer for me (travelling, being sleepy, etc...).

I agree with Sanghee that we have gone one step backwards. We have lost
Asia in the board. That's a step backwards we shouldn't have had. And I
agree with 90% of opinions posted here that are sad about the
European-NAmerica board. So I will just highlight what I don't agree with.
And this is an optimistic email, I don't share the general pessimism. Wait
for the end of it.

I don't agree that Venka has been punished somehow despite his good work.
Do you really think that if someone is doing a good work that should
warrantee his position on the board? I don't think so. I think the reward
of doing a good job comes somewhere else: recognition, ¿fame?, trust,
acknowledgement, even free beers! But even if you think a position on the
board is a reward, then, maybe other people have been also rewarded with
that for work outside the presidency of OSGeo but inside the community. Or
maybe people just wanted a fresh view, not necessarily that meaning that
his work (or your work!) was bad. There is a lot of reasons for voting
someone and I personally think that a "reward" vote shouldn't be one.
Having other candidates with more votes doesn't mean you did a bad job at
all.

Do I think that you both should be on the board? Yes, of course! But this
has also been (at least for me) a very difficult voting. It was very hard
to choose between the candidates. All had good reasons to be there, all had
good work done inside the community. So, how to choose? I know what you
have been doing because I have done an explicit effort to know about that.
I have gone to international events, I have followed the mailing lists, I
have followed many threads on twitter. Most people only know what people
around them do. So it is possible (and very likely, in my opinion) that a
lot of people just see OSGeo as an organization, but don't see the work of
individuals. So for them, Venka is that person who does the "history of
OSGeo" talk, but nothing special around him that other active members don't
have. If we ask members who has been behind the new website, how many of
them would know? And that is something that has had a lot of publicity
recently. What about all the rest of work that has less exposure?

So when it comes to voting, they see candidates who are active in trying to
show their views and other candidates that are not present. Not being
present on the election process, that is what have drained votes, I would
say. Not your fault, maybe, but how do we explain that to people who don't
see individuals because they are already busy with local and regional stuff?

And now the optimistic part:On the other hand, we have gone two steps
forward. Wait, what? Let me explain:

We are finally half male half female. Although this may not look like a
step forward to some of you, to me it is a huge win. And we did that
without the need for quotas. That't a double win. And it is a tendency that
has been stable so I am optimistic here.

And the other step, but still an important step forward, we have recovered
the long lost Iberoamerican community in the board. Since Jorge Sanz, we
haven't had a spanish-speaking board member. I know I count as European,
but I am as European as I am part of the large (huge!) community that
culturally spreads also on north, central and south America. So yes, Vicky
may have been a better representative of this community because she is not
european, but still, I plan to work hard on getting latin americans closer
to OSGeo. Remember that this community is the ¿largest? community in OSGeo
and they are very silent because many reasons (low English level, no
international FOSS4G being done close, middle income economy that can't
afford to travel far or even organizing codesprints properly!,... etc...).
Most of them work hard towards OSGeo and don't even know there is such a
thing as a membership! They just work aligned with our goals and inside the
community, but they see so far away the OSGeo "official" community that
they don't even bother to get closer. To get what? What would be their
motivation to get closer to a community that largely ignores them?

If you think OSGeo has less importance in South America, check the
GeoInquietos. Different branding, same work. On the FOSS4G-BA, after María
Brovelli's talk about OSGeo, many of them were surprised. They knew about
FOSS4G just because the geoinquietos from Argentina placed it on their
doorstep. But, OSGeo? What's that? Aaah, the same thing they have been
doing but on an English-speaking community.

We have lost Asia, but we have a window to South America. And that's very
important.

And, wait, have we lost Asia? Does it mean that if there is no board member
from Asia, Asia is going to disappear or something?

If you think it will help, we can have something like one representative
for each chapter as advisor or watcher of 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[Ravi Kumar]

Hi Vicky +1 indeed about your personal submission.
But think of cases other than yourself.. a change of perspective..
Cheers
Ravi

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Vicky Vergara 
wrote:

> Hi all, Frank:
>
> I have being woman all my life and also Mexican, I fall in both
> categories, but personally I want to win in a fair game, not to fill a
> quota, and in this case is two quotas!!!. I don't feel that ever in my life
> I won something to fill a quota and I don't want to start to be used to
> fill a quota.
>
> Storm is over and my baby elephant is eating fresh grass that is starting
> to grow.
>
> Being on the board or not, there is work to be done.
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
> ​PS. I will think of option(s) that are not filling quotas.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Frank Warmerdam 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar
>>  wrote:
>> > Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and
>> those
>> > 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too.
>>
>> Ravi,
>>
>> I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in
>> motion' is a hint to me.
>>
>> I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly
>> concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc.  Lets all give folks
>> the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their
>> fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-)
>>
>> Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I
>> would have hoped by now.  I think it would be reasonable to adapt the
>> board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we
>> want to see covered.  I could imagine a couple of special rules like:
>>  - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a
>> female running in the election the female with the most votes will
>> replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the
>> board.
>>  - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are
>> outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates
>> running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have
>> made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most
>> votes.
>>
>> Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed,
>> but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be
>> helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation.
>>
>> I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
>> passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
>> by the board.
>>
>> But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are
>> an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals.  While
>> we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe
>> the best intentions to others in our community.
>>
>> Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[Ravi Kumar]

Hi Frank,
that is being Frank. +1 indeed about an equitable distribution of Board
around the Globe/Regions (other than North America Europe and Australia).
The users are in greater numbers in the developing world, and the very
welcome businesses are in the developed world.

+1 for your lines
"I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
by the board"


Cheers
Rav

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Frank Warmerdam 
wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar
>  wrote:
> > Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and
> those
> > 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too.
>
> Ravi,
>
> I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in
> motion' is a hint to me.
>
> I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly
> concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc.  Lets all give folks
> the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their
> fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-)
>
> Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I
> would have hoped by now.  I think it would be reasonable to adapt the
> board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we
> want to see covered.  I could imagine a couple of special rules like:
>  - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a
> female running in the election the female with the most votes will
> replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the
> board.
>  - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are
> outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates
> running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have
> made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most
> votes.
>
> Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed,
> but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be
> helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation.
>
> I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
> passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
> by the board.
>
> But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are
> an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals.  While
> we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe
> the best intentions to others in our community.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> ---+
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] My feelings about board elections

[Vicky Vergara]

Hi all, Frank:

I have being woman all my life and also Mexican, I fall in both categories,
but personally I want to win in a fair game, not to fill a quota, and in
this case is two quotas!!!. I don't feel that ever in my life I won
something to fill a quota and I don't want to start to be used to fill a
quota.

Storm is over and my baby elephant is eating fresh grass that is starting
to grow.

Being on the board or not, there is work to be done.

Regards
Vicky

​PS. I will think of option(s) that are not filling quotas.








On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Frank Warmerdam 
wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Ravi Kumar
>  wrote:
> > Will be happy to see those who have let 'The Clouds In Motion'... and
> those
> > 'Giving us a good harvest of GRASS'.. speak out too.
>
> Ravi,
>
> I am not sure, but in light of my signature perhaps 'the clouds in
> motion' is a hint to me.
>
> I don't see any need to rerun this election, nor am I particularly
> concerned co-CRO who is nominated to run, etc.  Lets all give folks
> the benefit of the doubt, and it isn't like the board has their
> fingers on the button of nuclear weapons. :-)
>
> Like Sanghee I am concerned that the board is less diverse than I
> would have hoped by now.  I think it would be reasonable to adapt the
> board selection criteria to ensure at least some diversity on axes we
> want to see covered.  I could imagine a couple of special rules like:
>  - If by normal voting no female would be elected, and if there is a
> female running in the election the female with the most votes will
> replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have made the
> board.
>  - If by normal voting no two board members are selected who are
> outside "north america + europe" and if there are such candidates
> running then replace the otherwise lowest voted person who would have
> made the board with the the candidates outside of NA+EUR with the most
> votes.
>
> Well some word smithing and algorithm clarification would be needed,
> but you get the general idea, and a number of variations would be
> helpful in moving us towards more diverse representation.
>
> I would prefer to see a change in board voting rules of this nature
> passed by a vote of the charter members rather than just put in place
> by the board.
>
> But most of all, I wish to encourage us all to recognise that we are
> an organization of volunteers and that we have similar goals.  While
> we fine tune things, I hope we try to avoid taking offense and ascribe
> the best intentions to others in our community.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> ---+
> --
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> warmer...@pobox.com
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