Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Which page is supposed to be published?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) via Discuss]

All,

As a near term solution, for now, I’ve synced the two sites, so they are both 
updated right now.

Bobb



From: Bob Basques 
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Which page is supposed to be published?

Ok, I just figured out that there are two separate systems for editing the 
Chapter pages, which one should I using?

https://www.osgeo.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3006=edit (currently 
outdated)

or

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3006=edit

Thanks

Bobb



From: Bob Basques 
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49 AM
To: osgeo-discuss 
Subject: Which page is supposed to be published?

Trying to update our local OSGeo Chapter page . . . . and can only get so far 
with the edits.  What is the published link supposed to look like?


This:

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

or this (which was the old link that used to work):

https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

and which I can’t seem to update anymore.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Which page is supposed to be published?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) via Discuss]

Ok, I just figured out that there are two separate systems for editing the 
Chapter pages, which one should I using?

https://www.osgeo.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3006=edit (currently 
outdated)

or

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3006=edit

Thanks

Bobb



From: Bob Basques 
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49 AM
To: osgeo-discuss 
Subject: Which page is supposed to be published?

Trying to update our local OSGeo Chapter page . . . . and can only get so far 
with the edits.  What is the published link supposed to look like?


This:

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

or this (which was the old link that used to work):

https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

and which I can’t seem to update anymore.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Which page is supposed to be published?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) via Discuss]

Trying to update our local OSGeo Chapter page . . . . and can only get so far 
with the edits.  What is the published link supposed to look like?


This:

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

or this (which was the old link that used to work):

https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

and which I can’t seem to update anymore.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Weird Chapter page editing results (I think)

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Earlier this week I discovered that I lost about 6 month’s worth of edits to 
our local Chapter page on OSGeo.

I’ve since went in and repaired the links (and updated it with tonights meeting 
links.) and noticed the Chapter pages URL looks a little different.

Should they look like this (I don’t recall seeing that “staging.” part in front 
before).  Could this somehow be related to me losing my edits? :

https://staging.www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

I got to this link from the OSGEO Main page to make sure it wasn’t something I 
was handing out by mistake.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FW: [REMINDER] OSGeo Twin Cities (aka TCMUG) Local Chapter Meeting - May. 12th

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

So, I tried to use the annouce@ list to send out a wide announcement for a 
Webinar later this afternoon by our local chapter,  and got the following 
response, so I checked that page and it says to use the annouce@ list to send 
announcements  . . .  huh?

Also, it talks about an Event@ list or upload function, but the link sends me 
to the OSGeo Sponsor page . . .

Anyway, just looking for the spot to announce a Virtual Chapter 
Meeting/Presentation to the larger OSGeo community.

Thanks

Bobb



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Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 6:11 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
Subject: [REMINDER] OSGeo Twin Cities (aka TCMUG) Local Chapter Meeting - May. 
12th

Think Before You Click: This email originated outside our organization.


Thanks for reaching out, but posting on this list is only allowed to the OSGeo 
News team. Please follow this link to find out how to send announcements.

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All,

A good presentation by Perry N. last month on Drones and Open Source software.  
Lot’s of interest on the topic too. Re-live the presentation from the recording 
that is posted at the link below.

Upcoming Meeting:


Title: Howard Bulter – Headless OpenDroneMap in the Cloud


Description:  Howard Butler will present how to use the Serverless framework 
and AWS to create a data-driven S3 bucket that manages ODM processing. By 
combining AWS Batch, S3, Lambda, and Docker, one can construct a piece of cloud 
infrastructure that handles the task of processing drone imagery into ODM 
products such as orthophotos, point clouds, and meshes. Users are notified via 
email upon completion or failure of the job, and compute resource management is 
delegated to AWS Batch.

Here is the connection info:

https://meet.jit.si/osgeo_tcmug

When: May. 12th, 4:30 PM CDT

Bobb

OSGeo, Twin Cities (aka TCMUG), MN, USA Local Chapter 
Page.<https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/>


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[OSGeo-Discuss] FW: OSGeo Twin Cities (aka TCMUG) Local Chapter Meeting - May. 12th

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

We've (our local OSGeo Chapter) have been putting on monthly virtual 
presentations for a year now, and it was suggested by the group to cast a wider 
net for invitations to the event.  I've been posting announcements to the TCMUG 
(OSGeo local chapter) list, GeoMoose-users, and the MapServer-users lists up 
till now.

Question, what list should these kinds of things be posted too to get in front 
of the wider OSGeo community?  I tried sending to the ANNOUNCE list, but that 
seems to by permission only, and I'm not sure how that works, are all list 
users sent via ANNOUNCE, or do they need to be subscribed, which somehow seems 
limiting?  I did a cursory run through of the lists, but nothing really jumped 
out at me.

Is there maybe an event Calendar that can be posted to?  Our meetings are 
always on the Second Wednesday of each month, at 4:30-6:00 pm.

Lastly, is there a OSGeo spot that is preferred to post the presentation 
recordings at?

Thanks

Bobb





All,

A good presentation by Perry N. last month on Drones and Open Source software.  
Lot's of interest on the topic too. Re-live the presentation from the recording 
that is posted at the link below.

Upcoming Meeting:


Title: Howard Bulter - Headless OpenDroneMap in the Cloud


Description:  Howard Butler will present how to use the Serverless framework 
and AWS to create a data-driven S3 bucket that manages ODM processing. By 
combining AWS Batch, S3, Lambda, and Docker, one can construct a piece of cloud 
infrastructure that handles the task of processing drone imagery into ODM 
products such as orthophotos, point clouds, and meshes. Users are notified via 
email upon completion or failure of the job, and compute resource management is 
delegated to AWS Batch.

Here is the connection info:

https://meet.jit.si/osgeo_tcmug

When: May. 12th, 4:30 PM CDT

Bobb

OSGeo, Twin Cities (aka TCMUG), MN, USA Local Chapter 
Page.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] What's a good location for announcing there is a Video available of our chapter meeting?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Got a couple of these in the bank now, and I see us doing this into the future 
on a monthly basis.   Currently linking to the them from our Local Chapter page:

https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/

We’re running these once a month, and  currently announce over a few of the 
OSGeo lists,  but it’s been suggested to cast a wider audience and the idea cam 
up of sending in a news item to OSGeo.  Is this something worthy of a news 
item?  Or is there another preferred way of announcing the availability of the 
Meeting/recording?

Thanks

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Is there a desinated spot to post videos from local Chapter events?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Or, should they just be uploaded/linked to the respective Chapter Page?

Thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How big is OSGeo?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Related to counting of OSGeo community . . .

I brought this idea up way back when, but it was thought that it was too much 
effort to realize at the time.  Should there be some thought put into setting 
up a real membership status for folks, in whatever form, where they recieve an 
(semi-official?) membership of some sort.  I card, designation, etc or ??   
This could be a basic requirement of keeping a local chapter item, too.  The 
local chapters could promote joining, etc.

Maybe some nominal cost charged back for membership, voted into different 
levels, Charter, regular, Board, etc . . . .   . . . .

bobb





On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Jody Garnett 
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If you check out the yearly AGM slides you can see estimates from a range of 
sources (OSGeo userid, wiki logins, charter members, etc...).

There are a lot of great folks in the local chapters that are missed in this 
tally, I really hope the 2019 elections can nominate more of these individuals 
and honour their contributions.
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I thought the easiest approach might be to see the number of people
subscribed to the discuss list. I'm aware it's not going to catch
everyone, but it seems reasonable as a measure of the community.

Thoughts?

Furthermore, how many people attended FOSS4G in Bucharest this year?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo 101 workshop at FOSS4G 2019

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Can you keep my included in this thread.  I have a conference at the end of the 
year that might be good to run something like this at.

Thanks

bobb



On Jan 25, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Jachym Cepicky 
mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Introduce newcomers to OSGeo ecosystem.

At FOSS4G-Europe it appeared, that "joining the mailing list" is
something, most of the people do not understand.

How OSGeo is organised. How can you join the communication channels.
How are projects within OSGeo organised. How to join OSGeo as project
...

Just the basic idea

At the end of the workshop, attendees should be all joined to
discussion mailing list as well as to the projects mailing list of
their interest :-)
J

pá 25. 1. 2019 v 12:25 odesílatel Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> napsal:

I have a few presentations I can contribute that may be on topic, what is the 
goal for the workshop?

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 4:52 AM Jachym Cepicky 
mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
as promised in Guimarães, I just submitted the "OSGeo 101 -
Introduction to OSGeo" workshop to FOSS4 2019

I would like to start materials - there are two options: OSGeo custom
Gitea (login to OSGeo infrastructure needed), GITHub (3rd party
software, low barrier for contribution)

I suggest, we use GITHub (https://github.com/osgeo/) anybody dislikes this?

Right now, I'm the only workshop mentor, more volunteers are welcome
and I'll happily add you all the the submission, I just kicked this
think of

Thanks

Jachym

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [TCMUG] TCMUG (OSGeo local chapter) Meeting - Sept 12, 2018

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

REMINDER.  See you all tomorrow :

Meeting announcement for the Twin Cities Mapserver Users Group (TCMUG, aka 
OSGeo local chapter) meeting for Sept. 2018

——

All,

Sounds like the last meeting had a really good turnout, sorry I missed it 
(working out of town).  Thanks Brian for the detailed report.  See the results 
here: 
1, 
2, 
3, and 
here 4.

The next meeting will be at Lake Monster 
Brewing.

Time 4:30
Date: Sept. 12th

See you all there.

bobb

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [TCMUG] TCMUG (OSGeo local chapter) Meeting - Sept 12, 2018

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Meeting announcement for the Twin Cities Mapserver Users Group (TCMUG, aka 
OSGeo local chapter) meeting for Sept. 2018

——

All,

Sounds like the last meeting had a really good turnout, sorry I missed it 
(working out of town).  Thanks Brian for the detailed report.  See the results 
here: 
1, 
2, 
3, and 
here 4.

The next meeting will be at Lake Monster 
Brewing.

Time 4:30
Date: Sept. 12th

See you all there.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Collection of events via CAL attachments to email list posts.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Anyone have any idea about how a event collection system might be put together 
for harvesting of CAL postings to each of the OSGeo Lists?

Just a wild thought about how this might be done.  maybe there is already a way 
to do this.  The need as I see it, is that the current setup seems a bit 
cumbersome.  with the ability to post a event to and OSGeo list and have it 
automatically collected for event posts would help out with promotion aspects a 
lot IMO.

Anyway, just a though . . .

The event postings could still go through vetting before being officially 
sanctioned, the process would just be more streamlined.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Presentation lists.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Just a thought about the  wiki page for OSGeoLive presentation listings,

This same process should be set up as a FORM with a Location (LAT/LON) and also 
be able to include/list presentation on specific OSGeo projects.  This would 
allow for some nice Location maps of who, where things are happening and when.  
For example, I don’t get to run the OSGeo Live repsentation at every conference 
I attend, but I regularly get to present on OSGeo projects.

All such presentation listing should be combined into a single resource.

bobb



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Subject: Re: [OSGeoLive] [OSGeo-Discuss] Presentation coming up, how to 
announce and get advocation from OSGeo??
Date: February 2, 2018 at 9:23:55 AM CST
To: astrid_e...@osgeo.org<mailto:astrid_e...@osgeo.org>

Done,

I actually added two entries, I have another Presentation in May.

bobb



On Feb 2, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 
<astrid_e...@osgeo.org<mailto:astrid_e...@osgeo.org>> wrote:

Hello Bob,

would be great to add the event also to Live_GIS_History-wikipage which should 
show where OSGeoLive was in action.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History

Astrid

Am 01.02.2018 19:37 schrieb Jody Garnett:
It would be great to add that to the events list, please talk to
astrid or myself if you need access. OSGeo Live has promoted other
talks, perhaps a quote, or a blog post could be provided?
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Hello,
I have a presentation coming up soon here:
https://gitasw.org/lightning-overview-of-the-best-geospatial-open-source/
[1]
We’ll be distributing Live demo USBs to attendees as well.
Should/Could this be added to the Event list at OSGeo?
Also, would like to get some sort of OSGeo advocation statement if
possible. Maybe listing on the Events would be good enough though.
The organizers of the conference want to send out a media blast in
the next couple of days and wanted to incude something OSGeo
specific related to this presentation.
Seaprately, what if any, is the approach moving forward for OSGeo to
partner with GITA??
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[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hello,

I have a presentation coming up soon here:

https://gitasw.org/lightning-overview-of-the-best-geospatial-open-source/

We’ll be distributing Live demo USBs to attendees as well.

Should/Could this be added to the Event list at OSGeo?

Also, would like to get some sort of OSGeo advocation statement if possible.  
Maybe listing on the Events would be good enough though.  The organizers of the 
conference want to send out a media blast in the next couple of days and wanted 
to incude something OSGeo specific related to this presentation.

Seaprately, what if any, is the approach moving forward for OSGeo to partner 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo local chapter - Twin Cities [aka TCMUG] meeting

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Just confirming that the mext meet up of the OSGeo local chapter (TCMUG) 
meeting will be for the 29th of Nov.



We had a nice turnout at the last Twin Cities OSGeo Chapter meeting.  See 
here.

Based on discussion at the last meeting, the next meeting is tentatively 
scheduled for Nov. 29th, @ Barrel Theory Beer 
Company in downtown Saint Paul @4:30

Directions.

The Thanksgiving holiday week is just before this date and a couple of the 
group will be out of town the week before that.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Regional Conference with a significant OSGeo footprint.

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All,

Related to chanpter meetings (somewhat), we have a Regional Geo-event coming 
together for this coming May.  It will have a fairly high OSGeo footprint as 
well.

The last event two years ago, pulled in 250 attendees, shooting for 300-350 
this time around.  What’s the best way to promote this type of (somewhat 
fractional) OSGeo event in the OSGeo universe?  We’ll have 15-20% OSGeo based 
presentations.

bobb


On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
<bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us<mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:

All,

Yeah, the more we mull this over, the more I’m leaning towards a online Event 
form.  Centralized collection of the information is the hardpart, the next step 
would be to figure out how to disseminate.   The Online Form could be used to 
post to the appropriate list(s) and populate event calanders and news feeds. 
Some of this could be left up to the poster too, with dropdown/checklists in 
the form for the desired publication endpoints.  I still think there may need 
to be a vetting piece in front of the actual publishing though.  But since all 
info of this type could conceivably be funneled through this new Event form, 
then the vetting process could be automated to a fairly high degree, and it 
could be set up to work with multiple individuals with the vetting authority, 
even similar to TRAC . . . .

bobb

On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Jeffrey Johnson 
<ortel...@gmail.com<mailto:ortel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Should be able to, but ingesting from various different platforms
would be harder than just getting everyone to cross post to one single
place for OSGeo.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Nice turnout at the most recent Twin Cities OSGeo Chapeter (TCMUG) Meeting last night.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

We had a nice turnout at the last Twin Cities OSGeo Chapter (TCMUG) meeting.  
See 
here.

Based on discussion at the last meeting, the next meeting is tentatively 
scheduled for Nov. 30th, @ Barrel Theory Beer 
Company in downtown Saint Paul @4:30

Directions.

Let me know how this works for everyone.  The date is somewhat flexible, but 
the Thanksgiving holiday week is just before this date and a couple of the 
group will be out of town the week before that.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] what is open source

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Hi Jody,

Should something be added in about the software/projects being community driven?

bobb


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Can I invite review of "what is open source": 
http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/about/what-is-open-source/

I took our values from the brochure (the open source, and open geospatial) 
along with some inspiration from Helena's passion about open source projects 
being more that just software.

One point that was brought up at foss4ge was the importance of explaining "free 
and open". I think I have managed to do this - serving as a bridge between the 
ideas of open source, free software foundation promoting the concept of free 
and open, and how free and open is being applied in our community in the areas 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [Geomoose-users] GeoMoose 3.0.1 Released!

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Just forwarding a note about GeoMoose 3.0.1 being released.  This is a “fix-it” 
release for some items that were identified after the the initial release of 
GeoMoose 3.0.0.

bobb





Hey Folks!

With 3.0 in the wild for a little more than a month we've made some fixes and 
some updates that didn't make the cut in the first release. Thanks to everyone 
for the contributions and feedback.

Release notes are here:
 - https://www.geomoose.org/releases/3.0.1.html

Downloads available on the good ole GeoMoose.org website:
- https://www.geomoose.org/download.html -- if you're seeing 3.0.0 please clear 
your cache.

Some bigger highlights:
1. The upload dialog sees some major improvement. It's now substantially more 
fault tolerant, reports how many features were added, and if there was a 
failure.
2. The workshop from FOSS4G is now in the documentation: 
http://geomoose.github.io/gm3/workshop/
3. A quickstart for getting GeoMoose up and running in EC2: 
http://geomoose.github.io/gm3/quickstart-ec2.html

For those looking to do an upgrade:
You should be able to download the examples and update the local copy of the 
"geomoose" folder.

Cheers everyone!

PS: If anyone does successfully update their application from packages I would 
*love it* if you were willing to write up the process and have some 
screenshots.  It would really help solidify the "GM 3.X is easier to upgrade" 
story.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

I’ve been following this thread and this does seem like a good way to address 
most if not all the thoughts.

Another side to this would be in the ability to let the user(s) add to the 
keyword list of “other” geo products out there, whether FOSS or Prop.   It 
would allow for a useability matrix to build up over time as well, maybe even 
going so far as to grab a capabilities list of some sort from the users and 
consequently a mechanism for targeting new cabailities in the software being 
developed under the OSGeo banner based on these user capabilities/needs and a 
derived capability matrix.

bobb


On Sep 21, 2017, at 4:04 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan 
> wrote:

Dear All,

If the aim is only to help new users who are not aware of
Free and Open Source Geospatial Software, it could be
better to have a dedicated page which allows new user
to input keywords (e.g. the present software they are using,
of the OGC standards compliance they are looking for etc.)
and returning the results pointing to appropriate OSGeo
software).

If I understood correctly, I think this is what Sandro has been
suggesting and I like this approach.

As I already commented on the github ticket 1], I do not think
it is necessary to have an item such as "similar proprietary software"
or "Migrate From XXX" (also, we should rather propose "Migration *form* YYY to 
Free and Open Source
tool", where YYY would be the user input keyword).

Also, some of the names of Proprietary products are registered as trademarks,
and it could be better to avoid using these names directly on the OSGeo website.

Best

Venka

[1] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100

On 9/21/2017 5:15 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 08:33:05PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:

How much of your initial concern was providing a link? Or is it just
displaying the name (switching to MapInfo for the example here). It would
be kind of nice if the it behaved like a keyword, and linked to the project
page short listing all the projects that one can migrate to from MapInfo.
It's different degrees of annoyance. I guess a brand-less and
link-less list of names of proprietary products would not be too
"offensive" for me (assuming spam filtering lets it pass) but I'd
still prefer an hidden keyword. Something that you never see written
but is recognized by the search engine to give you back a similar
software: you search for  you get .

The "like Photoshop, only better" motto I like even when it contains
the name because it explicitly bashes it :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination: Ben Tuttle

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

+1

bobb


On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Jeff McKenna 
> wrote:

Forwarding Ben Tuttle nomination by Jeffrey Johnson. The 2017 member 
nominations list was updated [1].

Best regards,
Vasile & Jeff
2017 OSGeo Elections CROs

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017


 Forwarded Message 

I would like to nominate Ben Tuttle as a Charter Member of OSGeo.

BenTuttle is a R Technologist at the National Geospatial
Intelligence Agency leading efforts to deliver Open Source Geospatial
tools as core infrastructure and services for NGA and its customers
across the US Federal Government. Ben is focused on development and
delivery of web and mobile geospatial applications to enhance data
delivery, analysis, and decision-making. He has authored and
co-authored papers in journals including PE, Geography Compass,
GeoJournal, Environmental Management, and Remote Sensing of
Environment. He is currently leading a team of developers to deliver
new capabilities for first responders, search and rescue teams,
security personnel, and military users while revolutionizing the
underlying infrastructure. The team is building on cloud based
environment with a full DevOps pipeline that includes automated
security scanning to shorten delivery timelines and fully embrace a
secure CI/CD process. Ben has attended and participated in numerous
FOSS4G and his agency is now among the key sponsors of FOSS4G.

Best regards,

Jeff Johnson


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member nomination for Guido Stein

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

+1


bobb


On Aug 24, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Michael Smith 
> wrote:

I would like to nominate Guido Stein for OSGeo Charter membership.
As most people should know, Guido was co-chair of the Boston LOC for 2017. And, 
as was expected, he did an amazing job. The conference was a complete success 
and Guido's touches were everywhere, with the detail and effort that he puts 
into things. He is currently working efforts to establish a US local chapter of 
OSGeo. He is a valuable member of the community and he should be recognized as 
a charter member.


Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] regarding Standards on the beta website

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Jim and others,


On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:51 PM, James Klassen 
<klassen...@gmail.com<mailto:klassen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bob, Are you trying to differentiate direct support of standards vs indirect 
support via another package?

I was hoping to stay away from this conversation, but, yes, there is some of 
that in at least the GeoMOOSE project.  It was actually less blurry in the 
earlier version of GeoMOOSE than with the newer version in my mind.   There was 
more dependence on MapServer.



GeoMoose is a web client and I believe the current project page (at least as of 
when I was working on it at the FOSS4G code sprint) correctly states the 
supported standards.

We’ve had this conversation in the past, I think it went something like this, 
so we can put the OGC badge on the GeoMoose website for thier certification 
process being applied? . . .   :c)  I’m half serious with that question, and I 
think we could make a case for doing just that, but it’s still not 100%.  I 
understand the situation with MapServer as a service to GeoMoose, but what 
about the CACADE stuff when GeoMoose pulls from MapServer or other OGC services 
and acts as the translator to OGC services, where does that fit into this?  The 
client side of OGC communications is certainly a part of GeoMoose in some form.


While MapServer is commonly used along side GeoMoose and when it is the 
capabilities of the two cascade, but I believe what MapServer supports belongs 
on MapServer's project page, not GeoMoose's.


It’s true though that MapServer is the main OGC tool being used by GeoMoose 
currently, and it depends on it to a large degree.  But MapServer isn’t the 
only OGC service that GeoMoose can use.

bobb




On Aug 23, 2017 16:33, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" 
<bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us<mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
Jody,

I meant that sometime an application uses the Standards, but doesn’t really 
support them (per OGC specifications).  GeoMoose for example can read and write 
out WMS and WFS via MapServer.  And in it’s latest incarnation even read WFS 
directly.  Some of these capabilities adhere to the OGC spec’s for “supports”, 
but some don’t.


On Aug 23, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Jody Garnett 
<jody.garn...@gmail.com<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Do you mean the difference between clients and servers? I would hope WMS 
support in OpenLayers is clearly distinct from WMS support in MapServer.

GeoMoose as an installation, serves up WMS/WFS via MapServer.  It can also act 
as (at least) a WFS client and read from WFS directly.


Can you clarify bobb, standards are confusing / intimidating enough as it is 
(especially for projects that implement a wall of them).

I’m just trying to caution against using blanket statements of support is all, 
and hopefully present some real world examples to back up my statements.


Ideally I would like to see projects that are certified by OGC place the 
correct logos on these pages.

I guess that’s where I’m going with this, GeoMoose has not gone through the 
process of certifing it’s OGC standards.  They have a very specific process to 
do this too, and based on that I’m saying that GeoMoose for one, would not be 
100% compliant, as an example.  Some pieces could be though.

So we just say we can use those standards and have support for some of them vs 
having (100%) OGC compliance.

bobb




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On 23 August 2017 at 08:47, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
<bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us<mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
All,

“Support for” and “able to use” should be separate criteria in the OGC 
capabilities (I think) as well.

bobb


On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Jeff McKenna 
<jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com<mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:

In our case, nesting won't help (if project XXX selects "OGC" as its standards 
support in the wordpress backend, the reader of our site will assume that all 
OGC standards are met by project XXX - so yes I agree that the best thing is to 
delete the single "OGC" option.

As for other "standards", we will need to specify that somehow.

Possibly we can specify this directly in the description?  For example:

 Web Processing Service (WPS)

   would become:

 OGC: Web Processing Service (WPS)


and

 Georeferenced Tagged Image File Format (GeoTIFF)

would become:

 Other: Web Processing Service (WPS)


thoughts?

-jeff





On 2017-08-22 3:22 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Note that the issue here is not nested or not; the issue is that we must be 
careful with the use of the word "standard" on our new site.  -jeff
On 2017-08-22 3:11 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
Never mind, you can have nesting, so OGC can contain WFS, WMS, WCS, etc...

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On 22 August 2017 at 11:09, Jody Garnett 
<jody.garn...@gmail.com<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] regarding Standards on the beta website

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Jody,

I meant that sometime an application uses the Standards, but doesn’t really 
support them (per OGC specifications).  GeoMoose for example can read and write 
out WMS and WFS via MapServer.  And in it’s latest incarnation even read WFS 
directly.  Some of these capabilities adhere to the OGC spec’s for “supports”, 
but some don’t.


On Aug 23, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Jody Garnett 
<jody.garn...@gmail.com<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Do you mean the difference between clients and servers? I would hope WMS 
support in OpenLayers is clearly distinct from WMS support in MapServer.

GeoMoose as an installation, serves up WMS/WFS via MapServer.  It can also act 
as (at least) a WFS client and read from WFS directly.


Can you clarify bobb, standards are confusing / intimidating enough as it is 
(especially for projects that implement a wall of them).

I’m just trying to caution against using blanket statements of support is all, 
and hopefully present some real world examples to back up my statements.

Ideally I would like to see projects that are certified by OGC place the 
correct logos on these pages.

I guess that’s where I’m going with this, GeoMoose has not gone through the 
process of certifing it’s OGC standards.  They have a very specific process to 
do this too, and based on that I’m saying that GeoMoose for one, would not be 
100% compliant, as an example.  Some pieces could be though.

So we just say we can use those standards and have support for some of them vs 
having (100%) OGC compliance.

bobb




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On 23 August 2017 at 08:47, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
<bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us<mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
All,

“Support for” and “able to use” should be separate criteria in the OGC 
capabilities (I think) as well.

bobb


On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Jeff McKenna 
<jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com<mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:

In our case, nesting won't help (if project XXX selects "OGC" as its standards 
support in the wordpress backend, the reader of our site will assume that all 
OGC standards are met by project XXX - so yes I agree that the best thing is to 
delete the single "OGC" option.

As for other "standards", we will need to specify that somehow.

Possibly we can specify this directly in the description?  For example:

 Web Processing Service (WPS)

   would become:

 OGC: Web Processing Service (WPS)


and

 Georeferenced Tagged Image File Format (GeoTIFF)

would become:

 Other: Web Processing Service (WPS)


thoughts?

-jeff





On 2017-08-22 3:22 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Note that the issue here is not nested or not; the issue is that we must be 
careful with the use of the word "standard" on our new site.  -jeff
On 2017-08-22 3:11 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
Never mind, you can have nesting, so OGC can contain WFS, WMS, WCS, etc...

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On 22 August 2017 at 11:09, Jody Garnett 
<jody.garn...@gmail.com<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You can click on the number, in this case 11, and see a list of the
projects implementing the OGC standard. I am deleting it now...

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On 22 August 2017 at 10:17, Even Rouault 
<even.roua...@spatialys.com<mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>
<mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>> wrote:

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On mardi 22 août 2017 14:07:04 CEST Jeff McKenna wrote:

> Many of these don't make any sense to me, if you ask me my opinion.  
We

> should be using the list of OGC standards and entering them into

> wordpress, and not allowing editors to edit/add new non-standards.  
But

> that is all my own opinion :)  Then we can link to these standards.  
As

> of now anyone can create a 'standard' and post it on the beta site,

> seems very odd to me.

Just a remainder that OGC is not the only source of standards.
For example, GeoJSON is IETF RFC 7946 for example (and before
last year, was a community standard). GeoTIFF can also be
considered as a defacto standard, etc.. You have also the ISO
standards for metadata, etc...

Probably a loose definition for standards could be a
specification available somewhere (potentially behind a paywall
like ISO...), and implemented by at least several software/vendors.

Even

 >

 > Is my opinion here too strong? For now I chose just to edit the

 > descriptions for all of these 'standards', valid or not.

 >

 > What do you prefer?

 >

 > -jeff

 >

 > On 2017-08-22 1:59 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

 > > Thanks jeff, I just noticed that work had been done in the
GeoServer

 > &

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] final call friday - list local chapter in time for foss4g

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

That was quick, I’m locked out.

Do I need to make a new account, or does/should my current OSGeo login work?

bobb




On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Jeffrey Johnson 
> wrote:

Also, I have started adding users and letting them update their own
profiles. You can see these here
http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/community/members/ (note paging doesnt
seem to work on this page https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/38).

If you would like to setup an account and update your profile and link
it to the projects you work on etc, please contact me off list. NOTE:
ALL accounts will be migrated to use the OSGeo LDAP in the future.
These accounts are only temporary while we work on gathering content.

Thanks to everyone who contributed! Really looking forward to reaching
critical mass with this new site.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
Thank you to everyone who responded!

You can see the results here:

http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/local-chapters/
http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/resources/

If you encounter a difficulty with how the website works please check the
issue tracker to see if it has been reported (if so add a comment) or report
it yourself.

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On 9 August 2017 at 16:16, Jody Garnett  wrote:

Looks like I screwed up and did not send out the form for local chapters
to fill in (so we are going to have a scramble).

Can I ask local chapters to fill in their contact details and location in
the following form by friday to be listed in the beta website.

Data collection forms:

Local Chapter
Resources

A reminder that the Resources form is available to share any local
promotional material or translated information sheets you would like to
share.

I also invite you to review the updated style guide on github for examples
of local chapter branding.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Where to hire a FOSS4G freelane developer?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi,

I brought this thought up a while back, just bringing it up again, any chance 
of there being some sort of API calling (Search) system put into place for the 
Providors list?  I always thought that is awas a good thing to have a registry 
of providers, but the list should be set up so that Project admins can link to 
the registry as an API call and automagically keep an updated list available in 
their particular project web pages for their product (as well as related 
products).

bobb



On May 11, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Jeffrey Johnson 
> wrote:

We (marketing committee) are baking this kind of thing into the new
website quite prominently. That doesn't help you now, but its coming.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa
> wrote:
Thank you all the replies.

Perhaps the portfolio page should be more visible in the home page; or
perhaps with a more explicit name.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Mass production of OSGeo Live USB - any SMEs providing this ?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Bas,

We’ve been making Thumb drives for a few years now and DVDs before that.  We’ve 
been making the Thumb Drives by hand on our own, which is a bit of time and 
effort to complete.  We’ve been handling this for our own promotional purposes 
of OSGeo, etc and have only been building less than 75 at a time.

We’ve also installed some of the OSGeo-Live apps on a Raspberry Pi to good 
effect, but we haven’t tried a whole Live install on a PI yet, but all 
indications are that it would (mostly) work.  The Short answer is, we’ve figure 
out the mechanics of this, but the writing of the actual hardware would require 
some funding to complete as a repeatable process.

bobb



On Apr 18, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Bas Couwenberg 
<sebas...@xs4all.nl<mailto:sebas...@xs4all.nl>> wrote:

On 2017-04-18 15:55, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
Just to add to the mix, and stir the pot somewhat, an idea to consider
on this . . . what about . . .
having some sort of support stack/infrastructure in place for
providing the OSGeo-Live as a bunch of different devices and
(portable) services.  For example,
 *   Generating the Thumb Drives
*   These should be generated as needed, based on our usage
locally for different events.  When we don’t end up using some of them
at a particular event, we end up re-writing them with the newer
version of OSGeo-Live for the next event.  Not really an economically
sound model.
 *   Setting up something like a Raspberry Pi with OSGeo-Live.
Possibly for resale, certainly as a download for other to install.
 *   Setting up a Cloud (OSGE Certified?!) version of OSGe-Live
 *   As has been mentioned before, an application picker for
installation of software would go a long ways.
*   There’s a bit of effort required for this one I’ll grant you,
but it would certainly go along was toward promoting OSGeo.
 *   Cloud service(s) version of OSGeo.
 *   Setting up a Docker . . .
Well you get the idea,  if your going to pay for something, may as
well go for broke.  You end up with a one stop shop and possibly a
container of sorts for other projects to add in their own dedicated
versions of the same sort of devices/services.

Are you volunteering to implement any of the above?

These are good suggestions, but without people to do the work it will never 
materialize.

OSGeo-Live is understaffed as it is, see also:

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2017-April/012031.html

Kind Regards,

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Hyperconverged (Is this another way of saying open architecture?)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Subject says it all.  Just reading about Hyperconverged infrastructure, and had 
the thought that Open Architecture (along with Open Software) could be labelled 
as “Hyperconverged”.  I’m I right/wrong/mixed up??

Thoughts?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] easiest setup on Windows

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Puneet,

I’ll second Brent and Jeff on the MS4W/GeoMOOSE approach.

With those two packages installed you end up with a fully functional demo which 
can be used as a reference to set up their local data.

And once you have it working in Windows, you will be in a much better position 
to examine moving things to a LINUX distro down the road if that’s still the 
desire.  Either way, you/they will find it easier to climb the learning curve 
with this approach, regardless of the long term solution you/they want to end 
up at.

bobb


On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Brent Fraser 
> wrote:

Puneet,

 To get them started, have a look at MS4W and Geomoose.  MS4w is a Windows 
friendly install of apache, mapserver, etc.  Geomoose is an easy to customize 
(edit a little XML and a map file) implementation of OpenLayers with a great 
demo web app and integrated with MS4W.

http://ms4w.com/

http://www.geomoose.org/

Best Regards,
Brent Fraser

On 12/15/2016 9:46 AM, P Kishor wrote:
hello OSGeo,

I am helping some friends migrate their work to a real GIS (from a hodgepodge 
of AutoCad and MS-Excel spreadsheets). Unfortunately, for me, they use Windows 
(the last time I used Windows was 1997). I will try and convince them to start 
using some kind of Linux, at least for their geospatial needs, but assuming I 
can’t, what is the easiest way to get them started with web mapping?

Fwiw, I am installing PostGIS for them and outfitting them with QGIS. So, the 
desktop/datastore part is covered. But I don’t have time to build a full 
fledged Leaflet app. Is there something I can install on a Windows machine that 
will read data from PostGIS and serve it on the web, and allow some level of 
customization of the interface?

(Sadly, I don’t even know what version of Windows they are using, but I recall 
it had a lot of bouncy windows so it must be one of the newer versions.)

Many thanks in advance,




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[OSGeo-Discuss] Upper Midwest Geospatial Conference (UMGEOCON 2016)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Upper Midwest Geospatial Conference (UMGEOCON 2016)

This is a first of its kind geospatial event, right here in the Upper Midwest. 
Several GIS organizations from across the region have come together to plan a 
GIS conference that spans borders and encourages collective learning.

UMGEOCON will start off with some great workshops including one devoted to 
GeoMOOSE.  During the conference proper there is an open source track on each 
day where there will more GeoMOOSE, Georilla, and other FOSS4G, as well as 
speakers like Howard Butler who will be pulling open source LiDAR rabbits out 
of a hat.  The workshop program is here: http://bit.ly/21UYnSV.Full 
UMGEOCON program is here: http://bit.ly/1WnhJQB

We would love to see you stay for UMGEOCON if you come for a workshop. At 
UMGEOCON 2016 you can expect engaging presentations on current trends in GIS, 
an opportunity to expand your professional network, and to learn how other 
states, agencies and organizations benefit from the use of GIS.


When:  May 25-26, 2016
Where: LaCrosse, Wi. USA
Site: umgeocon.org

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UN training material

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Geez, I suppose I should watch more carefully where my SIG ends up on these 
things.  (I don’t normally have one BTW).  Just added it last week.  I probably 
need more training.

bobb




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that should not be done all.”
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On Apr 11, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
<bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us<mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:




“There is nothing quite so useless as doing with great efficiency something 
that should not be done all.”
- Peter Drucker





On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Jody Garnett 
<jody.garn...@gmail.com<mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks, I have added in a few links. We will need to watch this page as content 
is added - as new content is being added based on sometimes incomplete earlier 
examples. Thus far nobody has provided data references for example as requested.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UN training material

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

“There is nothing quite so useless as doing with great efficiency something 
that should not be done all.”
- Peter Drucker





On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Jody Garnett 
> wrote:

Thanks, I have added in a few links. We will need to watch this page as content 
is added - as new content is being added based on sometimes incomplete earlier 
examples. Thus far nobody has provided data references for example as requested.

Maria is a point-of-contact needed? In what circumstances would contact be made?

Bob - can I ask you to link to training material for GeoMOOSE? This wiki is 
gathering up training material for use in an open education context (so 
something that is free to be re-mixed into an academic course).

I knew someone was going to ask.  The download includes a set of demo data in 
the install.  The idea was to have a complete working demo after installation.  
It’s much easier for the user and/ or trainers to swap in their own data with a 
working install.  Everything is included in the download.

The GeoMOOSE links from the OSGeo Live page are here:

http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/geomoose_overview.html
http://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/geomoose_quickstart.html

which are kept up to date.

There is a somewhat outdated Workshop materials download from here:

http://www.geomoose.org/downloads/workshops/foss4gna-2013/
NOTE: this uses the OSGeoLive V6.5, but is largely still up to date (I just 
looked through it).

The Workshop Materials will be updated this Month for a Local Workshop being 
held on GeoMOOSE in May.  This will also hopefully include a new 2.9V of 
GeoMOOSE as well.

The demo data included has it’s own Licensing.

bobb


Jeff - GeoNode has been added as a project - but also lacks education material, 
and a point of contact?

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On 11 April 2016 at 08:51, Maria Brovelli 
> wrote:
Yes, that could be repurposed...
Maria



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Upcoming 2016 FOSS4G events?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi Cameron,

How would something like this relate to those events not OSGeo specific, but 
are being attended with the intent to promote OSGeo.  We’ve got some local GIS 
focused events that we’ll be attending and handing out OSGeo-Live USBs at.

Thanks

bobb

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:33 PM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
> I've started a draft schedule [1] for our upcoming OSGeo-Live 9.5 
> distribution but would like to know about upcoming FOSS4G events, ideally 
> with dates, such that we can include them in our calendar, and adjust our 
> schedule to make sure OSGeo-Live is printed in time for events.
> 
> We are also considering listing upcoming OSGeo-Live related events on our web 
> page, which should provide extra marketing for these events.
> 
> Could anyone thinking about setting up an event in 2016 with an OSGeo focus 
> please speak up.
> 
> Warm regards, Cameron
> 
> [1] 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kO6zzmLFfprZGgp5x7Sjwi-EVN6NTGDR4KXvFVtNpR0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=0
> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Fun thread to follow.  throwing my thoughts out . . .

I think the bigger issue is the word “change” in the discussions.  It’s not 
about changing anything.  It’s about classifying items better than before.  
Nothing is going away label-wise, or really being changed either.

For example, you can say we’re putting on a OSGeo conference, and you can say, 
that is a FOSS4G project.  I wouldn’t anticipate either of these labels going 
by the way side any time soon, but rather the desire being there for them to be 
used more specifically than they were before.

+1 to modify usage of terms.

bobb



> On Oct 7, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Marc Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
>> boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Barry Rowlingson
> 
>> Yes, you and I and everyone *on this mailing list* knows
>> the difference and the relationship between OSGeo and FOSS4G. But
>> there are people out there in geospatial who don't know either.
> 
> Emphatic +1
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo Elections 2015] Nomination for Kevin Smith

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

+1

bobb


 On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Vasile Craciunescu vas...@geo-spatial.org 
 wrote:
 
 Forwarding Kevin Smith nomination by Jody Garnett.
 
 Best regards,
 Vasile
 
 
  Forwarded Message 
 Subject: Nomination for Kevin Smith
 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:20:18 -0700
 From: Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com
 To: Vasile Crăciunescu c...@osgeo.org
 
 I would like to nominate Kevin Smith who is the project lead for the
 GeoWebCache project. Kevin offers a kind, knowledgable assistance to GWC
 users, and has been great at cross project communication with the GeoTools
 and GeoServer communities.
 
 If you get a chance to hear him present you will find a charming creative
 take on map making [2].
 --
 Jody Garnett
 
 [1] http://geowebcache.org/
 [2] https://plus.google.com/+KevinSmithGeographyNerd
 
 
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open LiDAR being discussed at OGC Technical Committee Meeting

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

There was a message during the LIDAR presentation about it being recorded.

bobb

On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Cameron Shorter 
cameron.shor...@gmail.commailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
I assume this Point Cloud meeting has concluded?
Did anyone attending record Martin's presentation? If so, are you able to share 
it?

Scott, Martin,
What where the outcomes from the meeting? Were any actions taken?

Warm regards,
Cameron

On 30/05/2015 8:52 am, Scott Simmons wrote:
Dear OSGeo members,

Per Cameron’s message below, we have a limited number of GoTo Meeting 
connections, so if you wish to join the meeting, please register at this link 
and the GoTo Meeting details will be forwarded to you.

https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/register/1506pointcloud.php

Thanks and Regards,
Scott

Scott Simmons
Executive Director, Standards Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
tel +1 970 682 1922
mob +1 970 214 9467
ssimm...@opengeospatial.orgmailto:ssimm...@opengeospatial.org

The OGC: Making Location Count…
www.opengeospatial.orghttp://www.opengeospatial.org/




On May 29, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Cameron Shorter 
cameron.shor...@gmail.commailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:

Following on from the OSGeo Open Letter on the Need for Open Standards in LiDAR 
[1], Martin Isenburg has been invited to give a 10 minute presentation as part 
of the Point Cloud discussion at the next OGC Technical Committee Meeting, 3pm 
EDT, this Monday 1 June [2], in Boulder Colorado USA. It is possible to 
participate in this meeting via goto-meeting and phone, although I'm not sure 
about capacity. Scott Simmons (CCed) from the OGC has details.

I've seen Martin's slides. They are excellent. They clearly articulate the 
problem, and provide a clear and simple 5 step solution.

Martin, your slides, in combination with any actions, feedback, or comments 
that come from this meeting will be very news worthy. I suggest that you 
publish these slides, or alternatively convert them to a blog post or similar, 
and publish soon after the meeting.

We should also approach news agencies as we did before and invite them to write 
up this story. Telling this story will help the greater community understand 
how to promote and select Open LiDAR standards.

Martin, I'm sure I speak for the OSGeo community and 140 people who signed your 
letter in wishing you all the best in your presentation on Monday.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
[2] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20150601T1900

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open source / open data related to addressing/geocoding

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Serena,

You should definite mention US National Grid (or from the World Perspective, I 
think Universal Grid is the pertinent label).

It has already been demonstrated to work very well as an addressing method.  

You can find more info at these links:


http://usngcenter.org/
http://www.usngstore.com/

bobb





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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Serena Coetzee
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:10 AM
To: ICA-OSGeo Lab Network; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open source / open data related to addressing/geocoding

Dear all, 

on Thursday this week, I am presenting about open source and open data to the 
Addressing Group of the Universal Postal Union (UPU), a UN organization with 
192 member countries [1]. If you know about interesting open source software or 
open data related to addressing and/or geocoding, let me know. Anything that I 
receive by Wednesday evening, I could include in the presentation.

[1] www.upu.int

Regards,
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Geography Building 3-5
Centre for Geoinformation Science, Department Geography, Geoinformatics and 
Meteorology, University of Pretoria, Private Bag X20, Hatfield, 0028, South 
Africa
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How does your project look on the OSGeoLive metrics page?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hmm, I like these metrics.

I wonder, is there a way to include this either as a element of the 
presentation or as a remote link, for the OSGeo-Live online (reveal.js) 
presenation?

Bobb





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On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:17 PM
To: live-demo; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How does your project look on the OSGeoLive metrics 
page?

Hi OSGeo projects,

OSGeo-Live has a cool page which aggregates OpenHUB metrics about each project, 
giving readers an insight into the maturity of each project.
http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html

 From this page, you can get an indication of which projects are actively being 
developed.

Unfortunately, there are some projects which have misleading information (maybe 
due to repositories moving), or no information, which we are helping projects 
can help rectify.

If your project's statistics seems inaccurate, then click on the Project's 
heading in the metrics page to go to the OpenHUB page. Then find the 
Settings, and update what is missing (such as a new code repository).

If your project is missing, then please either locate or add it in OpenHUB and 
tell us where it is so that we can add it to the OSGeo-Live metrics page.

If you wish to see this information in the next OSGeo-Live release, then please 
get it updated within the next few days, by Friday 13 February at the latest.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

How would the separation of projects occur between those in OSGeo already vs 
those wanting to be LocationTech certified as well.  I would imagine that some 
would not feel like they need to be certified by both.  What happens in this 
case?

Also, what are the longer term differences between LocationTech and OSGeo with 
regard to keeping code legally free of proprietary code, what's the followup on 
the Location tech side?  I'm more in tune with OSGeo processes BTW.

Bobb



From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 4:59 AM
To: Jody Garnett
Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Daniel Morissette
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo


What about speeding OSGeo incubation in a way, that projects, who made it 
through locationtech, would have to work only at the differences between both 
incubations, afaik the community aspect and maybe something else, in order to 
make it to OSGeo project? It would be more easy for them to make it through 
OSGeo incubation, things would be speeding up a bit

I'm I completely wrong?

Jachym

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On Sep 15, 2014 7:55 AM, Jody Garnett 
jody.garn...@gmail.commailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote:
Good questions/discussion:

Going to chime in as I enjoy both working with OSGeo incubation and 
LocationTech. I am a couple timezones west of Daniel but sleep is on the 
horizon.

TLDR: I am not 100% positive of either organisation, which is why I am trying 
to make them better.
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On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Massimiliano Cannata 
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.chmailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch wrote:

As you said the final goal is the same: open source Geospatial software 
affirmation. And this is the best thing I can wish to all of us.
Agreed, and I was very heartened by aspects of foss4g this year.

Nevertheless what I just have not clear is: what location teach do differently 
with respect to osgeo?
A lot of questions :) The two organisations share the same goals, but have 
different talents with respect to outreach.

I am going to try and do a single Pro/Con for each organisation just so you can 
see how they differ. I suspect this is a better conversation over beer or 
coffee since I cannot tell what kind of differences you are interested in?

OSGeo Incubation
Pro: OSGeo incubation has the advantage of being less formal, and thus able to 
adapt to the needs of the projects in incubation today. This message gets lots 
repeatedly, which makes me a bit sad. I usually pick on my own projects, but 
perhaps the pycsw crew would not mind being used as an example. We have an 
checklist item about user / developer interaction, with an example provided 
of user list collaboration around releases. This example is dated and does not 
fit with an amazing aspect of the pycsw story - pycsw have great downstream 
projects fulfilling this role (risk mitigation around release based on bug 
reports, testing, collaboration). OSGeo incubation has the flexibility to 
recognise this value ... and get on with life.
Con: OSGeo incubation has a look but don't touch attitude - we like to leave 
projects as we found them and not disturb the way each projects is already 
functioning. This is great low impact approach for when we were taking on 
fully-fored projects like MapServer, MapGuide and PostGIS. What could possibly 
be the drawback? We are not in position to offer much guidance to organisations 
that are new to open source struggling to know where to start.
Contrast: We are great at reviewing project viability to try and protect OSGeo 
users from adopting projects that have gone stale.

LocationTech Incubation
Pro: LocationTech is a working group in an already established Software 
Foundation. They have a long history of teaching new projects how to do 
OpenSource. Many of the conventions we work with in our open source projects 
(voting +1 to accept a new committer on a project) have been automated into a 
developer portal. This structure can help those new to open source feel 
confidence they are doing it right.
Cons: The workload associated with checking License/Headers is both harder and 
easier then OSGeo. There are staff to do the checking, but you need to submit 
each thing you depend on - even down to the build tools used to compile, build 
diagrams or generate docs. While I can kind of respect this (protecting 
potential developers from needing to purchase tools) was not prepared for the 
workload.
Contrast: Eclipse incubation does not say much about if a project is stale.

does it somehow overlap with incubation or not? What are the distinctive 
features?

There is an overlap, but differences:
* A project graduating out of OSGeo ...would have to do a formal IP check to 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

So, I've been following this (these) threads for a while now.  I like Darrell's 
 thoughts on moving forward with his  FOSS4G Organizing positing, and this 
seems like an obvious direction to follow up on.

An additional thought here, does it make any sense to think of LocationTech as 
a Marketing agent for OSGeo product?  The more stringent legal review etc. all 
seem to point towards the notion of making the products more viable in the 
commercial space.  This could lead to mandating other promotional aspects like 
better documentation, etc.  OSGeo could be labelled what it's always been, the 
R  D side of GeoSpatial software design, while LocationTech handles more of 
the practical application side of the equation.  I could see this becoming a 
push / pull type of collaboration where both sides can glean from the other 
what makes a project thrive, etc.

I'm not so sure about the non-desire by OSGeo to invest in specialized staff or 
infrastructure.  But, there does seem to be a divide between what OSGeo 
want/needs from it's projects vs LocationTech.

bobb

From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Ross
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:33 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

Bob,

For what it's worth, and it's the same at OSGeo of course, LocationTech  the 
Eclipse Foundation want projects to want to join. It's always optional.

It is unlikely for the foreseeable future that OSGeo would invest in the 
specialized staff, infrastructure, and such to do the kind of rigorous IP 
review that LocationTech  Eclipse Foundation projects receive. This isn't a 
shot against OSGeo, it just is. There are other services  infrastructure that 
are similar.

The good news is, so long as an OSGeo project was comfortable doing the 
trademark assignment (part of the process), then a project could be dual listed 
fairly comfortably. I don't think the benefit that OSGeo gets from projects is 
diminished in this case. If this is comfortable to everyone, I could see 
LocationTech projects do the same and list at OSGeo.

Andrew

On 17/09/14 08:08, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
All,

How would the separation of projects occur between those in OSGeo already vs 
those wanting to be LocationTech certified as well.  I would imagine that some 
would not feel like they need to be certified by both.  What happens in this 
case?

Also, what are the longer term differences between LocationTech and OSGeo with 
regard to keeping code legally free of proprietary code, what's the followup on 
the Location tech side?  I'm more in tune with OSGeo processes BTW.

Bobb



From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 4:59 AM
To: Jody Garnett
Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Daniel Morissette
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo


What about speeding OSGeo incubation in a way, that projects, who made it 
through locationtech, would have to work only at the differences between both 
incubations, afaik the community aspect and maybe something else, in order to 
make it to OSGeo project? It would be more easy for them to make it through 
OSGeo incubation, things would be speeding up a bit

I'm I completely wrong?

Jachym

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On Sep 15, 2014 7:55 AM, Jody Garnett 
jody.garn...@gmail.commailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote:
Good questions/discussion:

Going to chime in as I enjoy both working with OSGeo incubation and 
LocationTech. I am a couple timezones west of Daniel but sleep is on the 
horizon.

TLDR: I am not 100% positive of either organisation, which is why I am trying 
to make them better.
--
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On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Massimiliano Cannata 
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.chmailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch wrote:

As you said the final goal is the same: open source Geospatial software 
affirmation. And this is the best thing I can wish to all of us.
Agreed, and I was very heartened by aspects of foss4g this year.

Nevertheless what I just have not clear is: what location teach do differently 
with respect to osgeo?
A lot of questions :) The two organisations share the same goals, but have 
different talents with respect to outreach.

I am going to try and do a single Pro/Con for each organisation just so you can 
see how they differ. I suspect this is a better conversation over beer or 
coffee since I cannot tell what kind of differences you are interested in?

OSGeo Incubation
Pro: OSGeo incubation has the advantage of being less formal, and thus able to 
adapt to the needs of the projects in incubation today. This message gets lots 
repeatedly, which makes me a bit sad. I usually pick

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Anyone openly georeferencing maps and pictures in time?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

On 8/1/14 9:18 AM, Tim Lund wrote:
Hi

This is a project idea which seems obvious to me, and one which would so 
obviously benefit from OSGeo involvement, that I feel someone on this list will 
know very quickly if anyone is working on it in an open data way.  It comes 
from thinking about the warping which needs to be done to get from an aerial 
photograph to a map, and extending the thought to what can be done with a very 
oblique image - such as I might take standing on the ground.  Any photo, not 
just an aerial one, can be considered as a map just waiting to be tagged with 
scale,  projection, geolocation and date.  The photo doesn't have to be great 
quality - perfection is not needed.  In fact, if we allow some artistic 
licence, we could apply the same process to scans of historic prints and 
paintings.

And if we had a library of such geotagged images, researchers would be able to 
specify an area and a time range, and search for images whose area of coverage 
overlapped it taken during the given period.  It would be of antiquarian 
interest - there's an organisation I belong to called the London Topographical 
Society http://www.topsoc.org/front/index  which has access to a 
mind-boggling number of maps, old photos and prints of London - but also to 
academics in Geography and Town Planning departments.  It would also be of 
commercial interest to developers looking at the planning context for new 
developments.  And I think I've read somewhere of commercial companies - 
Google, Facebook? - collecting various picture of the same location, e.g. a 
holiday destination, and using the combined data to produce images with 
unwanted obstructions eliminated.  It has to be possible, so is anyone working 
on developing an open source library of images so tagged?

Brief background on me; I'm a maths graduate, now approaching retirement, and 
with interests not only in history, but also urban development, so a project 
along these lines is something I'd love to get involved with.  Although I might 
dream to doing some coding, that's just not realistic when my skills are more 
in MS Office applications and VBA.  I've also been looking at 'R' and QGIS, and 
I could get to the point of doing the tagging, except for date stamping, but if 
there was anyone else further up the learning curves for these, it would be 
good to link up.  I also have a lot of possible contacts with people who might 
be interested in such a project as users, which would also make a difference.

It seems like such a nice project, so hoping someone can help

Tim,

I've had a similar idea in mind for some number of year.  Just haven't had the 
right project com along to leverage the work against to accomplish it.

My interest is in general record keeping, and using/developing spatial (and 
time increments) lookup tools for the end user(s) to retrieve data based on a 
known location of interest.

I've seed some project that seem to get close, but the single biggest missing 
component (I think) is a good gneral use 3D viewing environment that's easy to 
auto-populate.  The next big hurdle is how to store the proper metadata for 
images so that their projection is stored correct and they can be viewed 
alongside of each other properly.

It's an interesting problem, but I believe it's possible to attain the 
capabilities you describe, and there are even some existing packages available 
in desktop form, etc.  I'm more interested in a Webbased aproach myself.

bobb



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Anyone openly georeferencing maps and pictures in time?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

On 8/1/14 11:48 AM, Tim Lund wrote:
Thanks Bob.

Not sure what you mean by auto-populate - sounds as if humans would not be 
involved. I was thinking of an interface in which a user clicks a point on a 
photo to be geotagged and then a point on a map where the user knows the item 
in the photo is located.  As in QGIS georeferencing.  This could be different, 
though, since you might want to identify more than one point in the photo. Just 
having the locations and datestamps would be enough if users where just looking 
for relevant original images for a time and space; using projection information 
to warp them would be helpful to cross reference against other images for the 
person doing the cataloguing, or for making a map out of them, but not 
absolutely essential.  I'm wondering what a highly warped image would look like 
- the graininess would vary.  I've imagined defining what a photo or image is 
of by one key geolocation in it, (which would define the projection for the 
whole image) and possibly some more specified locations of interest to 
researchers, but from the projection, scale and image dimensions you could get 
define a warped rectangular area as being what the image is of - except beyond 
some horizon the quality would be too poor, and anyway, 3D objects would get in 
the way.
We already have the point == photo association in our system.  We have about 3 
million street level photo's taken along our City streets complete with camera 
and poition/direction metadata for each photo.

I want to do the reverse of what you are talking about and apply our GIS layers 
to the photo as an overlay.  Simply put, I want to try and come up with a sudo 
projection (on the fly) of the photo and use that to apply other known 
datasets.  The GIS data would be the warped parts.

bobb



I was thinking more of desktop packages - what are those existing packages 
available in desktop form?  How would they compare with QGIS?  I don't have 
access to ArcGIS - would the user interface for that be easier?


On 1 August 2014 15:45, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
On 8/1/14 9:18 AM, Tim Lund wrote:
Hi

This is a project idea which seems obvious to me, and one which would so 
obviously benefit from OSGeo involvement, that I feel someone on this list will 
know very quickly if anyone is working on it in an open data way.  It comes 
from thinking about the warping which needs to be done to get from an aerial 
photograph to a map, and extending the thought to what can be done with a very 
oblique image - such as I might take standing on the ground.  Any photo, not 
just an aerial one, can be considered as a map just waiting to be tagged with 
scale,  projection, geolocation and date.  The photo doesn't have to be great 
quality - perfection is not needed.  In fact, if we allow some artistic 
licence, we could apply the same process to scans of historic prints and 
paintings.

And if we had a library of such geotagged images, researchers would be able to 
specify an area and a time range, and search for images whose area of coverage 
overlapped it taken during the given period.  It would be of antiquarian 
interest - there's an organisation I belong to called the London Topographical 
Society http://www.topsoc.org/front/index  which has access to a 
mind-boggling number of maps, old photos and prints of London - but also to 
academics in Geography and Town Planning departments.  It would also be of 
commercial interest to developers looking at the planning context for new 
developments.  And I think I've read somewhere of commercial companies - 
Google, Facebook? - collecting various picture of the same location, e.g. a 
holiday destination, and using the combined data to produce images with 
unwanted obstructions eliminated.  It has to be possible, so is anyone working 
on developing an open source library of images so tagged?

Brief background on me; I'm a maths graduate, now approaching retirement, and 
with interests not only in history, but also urban development, so a project 
along these lines is something I'd love to get involved with.  Although I might 
dream to doing some coding, that's just not realistic when my skills are more 
in MS Office applications and VBA.  I've also been looking at 'R' and QGIS, and 
I could get to the point of doing the tagging, except for date stamping, but if 
there was anyone else further up the learning curves for these, it would be 
good to link up.  I also have a lot of possible contacts with people who might 
be interested in such a project as users, which would also make a difference.

It seems like such a nice project, so hoping someone can help

Tim,

I've had a similar idea in mind for some number of year.  Just haven't had the 
right project com along to leverage the work against to accomplish it.

My interest is in general record keeping, and using/developing spatial (and 
time increments) lookup tools

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Funded projects using FOSS4G tools with respect to water management

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

On 7/23/14 3:49 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Hi Maurico,
To make it easier to build your presentation, you might want to select slides 
from the OSGeo-Live presentation, which covers most/all of the projects I 
suspect you will want to reference:
http://live.osgeo.org/en/presentation/index.html#/
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Including_OSGeo-Live_at_your_event
While not exclusively intended for water management, we worked on a Great Lake 
Restoration Inititive (GLRI) project a while back that was related to 
harvesting spatial data services in and around the Great Lakes basin.

http://www.sharedgeo.org/portfolio-item/glri/

https://hub.sharedgeo.org/projects/GLRI/

FOSS4G components incorporated:

  *   GeoNetwork
  *   Custom GeoMoose webviewer (CoMap)

Lot's of good Water related stuff in there . . .

bobb


On 23/07/2014 11:25 pm, Mauricio Miranda wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've been invited to the 15th Water Web Summit [1] as an OSGeo representative 
to talk about FOSS4G projects related to water management.

I'll talk about OSGeo and local communities, and I would like to show some 
successful use cases.

I have been googling a lot and also asked help to Jeff and Jorge. However, I 
want to be sure I won't miss any important project.

So... my question is: Do you know about a water project using FOSS4G I 
shouldn't miss in my presentation?

Thanks,

Mauri

[1] http://waterwebconsortium.com/wis15/



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

On 6/23/14 9:25 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:

Good food for thought Howard, can’t say I disagree with anything you say here.

The only thing we need to consider is that for some countries 50 or 70 USD can 
still be a lot of money.

All,

I also agree whole heartily  with Howard.

Regarding the notion that the membership fees need to be different for 
different areas on the globe, what about using a chapter mechanism to set the 
membership fees according to the locally perceived best pricing model.  Might 
help solidify local chapters by allowing them to capture a percentage of the 
membership fees based on members and new members being pulled in through their 
chapter.

bobb




Best regards,
Bart

On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:12, Howard Butler how...@hobu.comailto:how...@hobu.co 
wrote:



On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Cameron Shorter 
cameron.shor...@gmail.commailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:



Thanks Paul, Dimitris and Peter for your thoughts.

Comments inline.

On 20/06/2014 4:31 am, Paul Ramsey wrote:


http://www.aag.org/cs/membership/individual_membership
http://www.aag.org/cs/membership/individual_membership/dues


Both simpler, and better for the bottom line of OSGeo, if you want to
be a member, sign up as a member, collect your t-shirt, see you @
foss4g.



Yes Paul, pay for membership is simple, but I'd argue that the value of OSGeo 
and OSGeo communities is the volunteer time we contribute, and pay membership 
wouldn't capture that.


This property is the nature of a professional organization, which in my 
opinion, OSGeo clearly is. There are a number of strong reasons why small 
annual fees for membership are very attractive. The first is there's no 
struggling with members who've dropped off, haven't voted, are no longer 
participating. Second, anyone who wants to associate themselves can simply do 
so by paying dues. Finally, a consistent, if small, operating revenue.

The voting process has been an ad-hoc affair since the beginnings of the 
organization. Every year it the rules are tweaked. Every year members who've 
dropped off need to be nagged. Every year we end up just taking everyone who's 
nominated anyway. It's a lot of overhead and volunteer cost for very little 
gain.

It is certain there are people who wish to be professionally associated with 
OSGeo who are unable to become members because they haven't generated enough 
public profile to be nominated. You can't nominate yourself. It's a chicken and 
egg problem that simply dissolves with paid-but-small membership dues.

OSGeo's main revenue stream is the FOSS4G conference. It is an event run on the 
backs of local chapter volunteers. Please correct me otherwise, but I do not 
think any local chapter who has hosted FOSS4G has ever put in a proposal to 
host it again. This well may eventually run dry. Or, it may run dry for a year 
or two. 80-100k/year (~$50-70/year * 1500 persons) of membership dues is plenty 
to keep the lights on through droughts and still allow the organization to move 
forward.

At the inception of the organization, a driving factor toward our current 
membership structure is because OSGeo is a volunteer organization, it shouldn't 
require members to pay money. I think this is misguided. Every other 
professional organization of which I'm a member requires membership dues. As an 
IRS classification, a professional organization has a clear path forward.

I am a professional open source Geo/GIS software developer. I want to belong to 
a professional organization that represents me. I would be happy to pay some 
nominal membership dues that a) signify my membership, b) provide financial 
buffer for the organization to achieve its mission, and 3) clearly signal what 
the rules are to become a member.

My $0.02.

Howard


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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2014 Express ( Wanna take a train ride? )

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Just a heads up on the hatching of a plan by myself (and a couple of others).

See this posting:

https://2014.foss4g.org/all-aboard-the-foss4g2014-express/

Please forward to whomever you think might be interested.  I felt comfortable 
enough posting to this list, but maybe you can think of others to send it to as 
well.

Thanks

Bobb


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FW: [Geomoose-users] (State of Minnesota) Governor's Commendation

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Daniel,

It was fun to read myself for the first time, and I agree with you about the 
history stuff for projects.  I was actually kept in the dark (somewhat) about 
the nomination. I didn't realize until reading it how much effort was expended, 
nor by how many.

There are already plans to include the nomination document on the GeoMoose 
site.  Once it's there we'll have a mechanism to add to for the future, and we 
can link to it as you describe.

Thanks

Bobb


-Original Message-
From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:22 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FW: [Geomoose-users] (State of Minnesota) 
Governor's Commendation

Congratulations to the whole GeoMoose team!

I always find it interesting to read about the origins of a project or piece of 
software, and this one was no exception. May I suggest that you add a copy or 
ref to the history on your website if it's not already present? Or even link to 
it from the See also section at the end of 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Source_GIS_History ?

I guess this is also an invitation to other projects to help populate the Open 
Source GIS History page at
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Source_GIS_History

Cheers

Daniel

On 13-11-19 5:24 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
 All (reposting, entirely on purpose),

 If you ever wondered about the what, where and why GeoMoose came into 
 being, you can now read about it.  Go to the link below and click on 
 the Complete nomination link.  This is a very good write up about 
 the origins and its current perceived effectiveness by users.  Oh, and 
 GeoMoose won an Award too!!

 Bobb

 *From:*geomoose-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
 [mailto:geomoose-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Dan 
 Little
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:00 PM
 *To:* GeoMOOSE Users List
 *Subject:* [Geomoose-users] Governor's Commendation

 This may have been posted to the list already, but GeoMOOSE has been 
 awarded a Governor's Commendation by the Governor of Minnesota.  If 
 you don't think this is a big deal, please check out the link and 
 subsequent application (18 pages!). Just to get the application 
 written required a lot of dedication.

 Read about it here:
 http://www.mngeo.state.mn.us/awards/gov_commendations/13commaward.html

 I wish to send a heartfelt thanks to everyone who worked on this 
 proposal.  Those of you who have taken the time to write down your 
 thoughts on GeoMOOSE, its development, its past, and its future, 
 really took me by surprise.  Writing software and working on these 
 projects can be very fulfilling on their technical merits alone.  
 Writing the software and getting presented with cases where it has 
 mattered and helped pushes it far past fulfilling; it makes it feel rewarding.
 Seeing 18 pages come together from some of the very over worked, 
 unappreciated, and usually under paid professionals I've grown to know 
 in this community is nothing short of humbling.

 Thank you everyone. Very much. Let's keep up the good work. :-)



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[OSGeo-Discuss] FW: [Geomoose-users] (State of Minnesota) Governor's Commendation

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All (reposting, entirely on purpose),

If you ever wondered about the what, where and why GeoMoose came into being, 
you can now read about it.  Go to the link below and click on the Complete 
nomination link.  This is a very good write up about the origins and its 
current perceived effectiveness by users.  Oh, and GeoMoose won an Award too!!

Bobb



From: geomoose-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
[mailto:geomoose-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dan Little
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:00 PM
To: GeoMOOSE Users List
Subject: [Geomoose-users] Governor's Commendation

This may have been posted to the list already, but GeoMOOSE has been awarded a 
Governor's Commendation by the Governor of Minnesota.  If you don't think this 
is a big deal, please check out the link and subsequent application (18 
pages!). Just to get the application written required a lot of dedication.

Read about it here: 
http://www.mngeo.state.mn.us/awards/gov_commendations/13commaward.html

I wish to send a heartfelt thanks to everyone who worked on this proposal.  
Those of you who have taken the time to write down your thoughts on GeoMOOSE, 
its development, its past, and its future, really took me by surprise.  Writing 
software and working on these projects can be very fulfilling on their 
technical merits alone.  Writing the software and getting presented with cases 
where it has mattered and helped pushes it far past fulfilling; it makes it 
feel rewarding.   Seeing 18 pages come together from some of the very over 
worked, unappreciated, and usually under paid professionals I've grown to know 
in this community is nothing short of humbling.

Thank you everyone. Very much. Let's keep up the good work. :-)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Duarte,

Thanks for your thoughts.  They are very well organized and clear (and clear up 
some of my own thoughts on the topic)

I think they will end up in the after the fact discussion more than the up 
front discussion related to setting up a position/title.  I may be off base 
here though, so stay tuned.

Bobb




From: Duarte Carreira [mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:38 AM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul); Norman Vine; osgeo-discuss 
(discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

I find that an argument that seats well with management is open source scales 
for free, while proprietary is itself a financial obstacle when you need to 
grow your system, be it to support more load server-side, add more client-side 
machines, or add new applications to your portfolio (usually a combo of these). 
In proprietary you can only grow in functionality by increasing your annual 
budget just for keeping the software, without even considering any development 
or training costs. So in the long run, your base costs creep up, like a memory 
leak ;).

Many times you see a system be completely shut down because its maintenance 
costs got to a value someone just decides it is not worth paying anymore. Then 
you are forced to go open source, in a very painful way.

Bottom line, in the medium/long term open source offers a significant financial 
stability, that can in fact mean the sustainability of your system.

Duarte

De: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) [mailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us]
Enviada: quarta-feira, 16 de Outubro de 2013 17:01
Para: Norman Vine; osgeo-discuss 
(discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

Norman,

We're thoroughly entrenched with a OpenSource installation right along side a 
bunch of commercial products.  It's been very hard for any commercial vendor to 
even get a leg up in our office for a number of years now because we've got so 
much stuff already working via OpenSource (and also available to the commercial 
products.)  However, we still don't have a top level position to over see these 
things, and there is still splintering of resources that is taking place.

Bobb



From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Norman Vine
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:57 AM
To: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

disc
On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

Arnie,

Vendor lock-in, or rather preventing it, would be a strong second as far as 
reasons go, but it's not really applicable to describing a positions work items 
(I don't think) and seems like it might be closer to a policy issue (in my 
mind).

Thanks for the feedback.

Bobb

Bobb

I would argue that one needs an OpenSource Reference implementation to
vet adherence to any OpenStandard

In fact I would go even further and say that any new OpenStandard proposal
should be accompanied by an OpenSource implementation before acceptance
as such

Norman



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From: Arnie Shore [mailto:shor...@gmail.comhttp://gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or
attmepting to . . .)

Well, adherence to standards is integral to the issue of
interoperability, a critical project success factor in this
increasingly interconnected world.

And, there's no motivation for vendor lock-in, since the revenue
protection motivation (usually!) doesn't exist.  (I can tell you
re all of the verbiage I've excreted in a prior life justifying
sole-source procurements.)

Also, possibly important for the devout among us is that the Good
Lord must love standards;  She made so many of them!

AS

On 10/16/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Hi all,

I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following
statement, I'm
looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to
put
yourself there  :c).

Open Source software enforces standards ... snip /


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi all,

I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following statement, I'm looking 
for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to put yourself there  :c).

Open Source software enforces standards

Now this might be better worded, and it seems straight forward enough here.  
I'm trying to define a GIO position such that it doesn't reference anything 
commercial, but will still cover those commercial packages at the same time.  
I'm basically thinking about going the route of data standards both for 
archiving as well as distribution.

So, what would you anticipate the other side of the argument (Our Human 
Resources section in this case) to reply to the above statement, as if they 
wanted to include some specific commercial application in the assigned duties, 
for example.  In the end I'm trying to get out of a long winded statement about 
why an open approach is better than a commercial one and the standards piece 
seem to be the best topic to base the discussion on.

Thanks

Bobb


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[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Daniel,

I'm not sure why exactly, but the facilitates interoperability seems fluffy 
for some reason.  It might be something to integrate into the original 
statement however.  The vendor lock-in piece is definitely something that will 
need to be included somehow, but I'm thinking there or two things here based on 
the replies so far, one is for a description of the position and another would 
be to define some sort of policy/or, dare I say it, best practice document, 
hopefully something that is hard to refute.

All good thoughts.

Bobb



  -Original Message-
  From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
  boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:10 AM
  To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or
  attmepting to . . .)
  
  
  Maybe take it from a different angle?
  
  - Open Source software facilitates interoperability
  
or
  
  - Open Source software breaks vendor lock-in
  
  
  Vendor lock-in is a tactic used to protect a vendor's licensing
  revenue stream by ensuring that customers cannot easily switch to
  another suite of software, and interoperability through open
  standards and truly open APIs is the best cure I can think of
  against that. Open Source software excels at interoperability
  because the vendor lock-in gene is generally absent from the DNA
  of its developers.
  
  Daniel
  
  P.S. I see that Arnie Shore beat me by sending something along the
  same lines a few seconds ago, but I thought I'd hit send anyway
  
  On 13-10-16 10:50 AM, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
   On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
   bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
   Hi all,
  
  
  
   I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following
  statement, I'm
   looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to
  put
   yourself there  :c).
  
  
  
   Open Source software enforces standards
  
  
  
   Now this might be better worded, and it seems straight forward
  enough here.
   I'm trying to define a GIO position such that it doesn't
  reference
   anything commercial, but will still cover those commercial
  packages at the same time.
   I'm basically thinking about going the route of data standards
  both
   for archiving as well as distribution.
  
  
  
   So, what would you anticipate the other side of the argument
  (Our
   Human Resources section in this case) to reply to the above
   statement, as if they wanted to include some specific
  commercial
   application in the assigned duties, for example.  In the end
  I'm
   trying to get out of a long winded statement about why an open
   approach is better than a commercial one and the standards
  piece seem to be the best topic to base the discussion on.
  
   In my experience (maybe because I don't discuss this with people
  who
   know much about the subject so they have very basic opinions),
  they
   usually come with:
  
 * Standars aren't the better format to work with
 * Propietary standards can be more efficient because they are
   optimized for the propietary software
 * We already have the information on the propietary format and
  don't
   want to migrate
  
   And, of course:
 * Our propietary solution also works with standards (this is
  very
   tricky to fight against)
  
   Good luck!
   María.
  
  
  
  
   Thanks
  
  
  
   Bobb
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi Maria,

Thanks for the thoughts.  See my sudo responses inline . . . I'm using this 
thread as a practice round of discussion . . .

  
   Open Source software enforces standards
  
  
  In my experience (maybe because I don't discuss this with people
  who know much about the subject so they have very basic opinions),
  they usually come with:
  
   * Standars aren't the better format to work with

The above seems like the hardest to respond to.


   * Propietary standards can be more efficient because they are
  optimized for the propietary software

My response would be as long as the proprietary package can export in a 
standard form/format.


   * We already have the information on the propietary format and
  don't want to migrate

Same as above.  Again not trying to preclude proprietary, but more to make 
things interoperable and standard.

  
  And, of course:
   * Our propietary solution also works with standards (this is very
  tricky to fight against)

So prove it, connect to these standard datasets (NOW!)  :c)

Again, thanks for your thoughts here.

Bobb



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Arnie,

Vendor lock-in, or rather preventing it, would be a strong second as far as 
reasons go, but it's not really applicable to describing a positions work items 
(I don't think) and seems like it might be closer to a policy issue (in my 
mind).

Thanks for the feedback.

Bobb


  -Original Message-
  From: Arnie Shore [mailto:shor...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:04 AM
  To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
  Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or
  attmepting to . . .)
  
  Well, adherence to standards is integral to the issue of
  interoperability, a critical project success factor in this
  increasingly interconnected world.
  
  And, there's no motivation for vendor lock-in, since the revenue
  protection motivation (usually!) doesn't exist.  (I can tell you
  re all of the verbiage I've excreted in a prior life justifying
  sole-source procurements.)
  
  Also, possibly important for the devout among us is that the Good
  Lord must love standards;  She made so many of them!
  
  AS
  
  On 10/16/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
  bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following
  statement, I'm
   looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to
  put
   yourself there  :c).
  
   Open Source software enforces standards ... snip /


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Norman,

We're thoroughly entrenched with a OpenSource installation right along side a 
bunch of commercial products.  It's been very hard for any commercial vendor to 
even get a leg up in our office for a number of years now because we've got so 
much stuff already working via OpenSource (and also available to the commercial 
products.)  However, we still don't have a top level position to over see these 
things, and there is still splintering of resources that is taking place.

Bobb



From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Norman Vine
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:57 AM
To: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)

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On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:


Arnie,

Vendor lock-in, or rather preventing it, would be a strong second as far as 
reasons go, but it's not really applicable to describing a positions work items 
(I don't think) and seems like it might be closer to a policy issue (in my 
mind).

Thanks for the feedback.

Bobb

Bobb

I would argue that one needs an OpenSource Reference implementation to
vet adherence to any OpenStandard

In fact I would go even further and say that any new OpenStandard proposal
should be accompanied by an OpenSource implementation before acceptance
as such

Norman





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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or
attmepting to . . .)

Well, adherence to standards is integral to the issue of
interoperability, a critical project success factor in this
increasingly interconnected world.

And, there's no motivation for vendor lock-in, since the revenue
protection motivation (usually!) doesn't exist.  (I can tell you
re all of the verbiage I've excreted in a prior life justifying
sole-source procurements.)

Also, possibly important for the devout among us is that the Good
Lord must love standards;  She made so many of them!

AS

On 10/16/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following
statement, I'm

looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to
put

yourself there  :c).

Open Source software enforces standards ... snip /


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi Barry,

Point taken.  But proprietary was harder (for me) to spell  :c)

I do see the difference though.

Bobb



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From: b.rowling...@gmail.com [mailto:b.rowling...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry 
Rowlingson
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:43 AM
To: María Arias de Reyna
Cc: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul); discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open 
Source is good.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, María Arias de Reyna delawen+os...@gmail.com 
wrote:



 On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open 
 Source Software is a good bet for businesses.

 Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is 
 intended as an informational handout.

 I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add 
 to these.  I'll go off and look some on Google

 Thanks in advance.



 Hi,

 Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
 And don't use open, use free:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

 And don't say 'commercial', say 'proprietary' (if that's what you mean). I'm 
surprised Arnulf hasn't already jumped in on that point!

 Free and open source software can be commercial.

Barry


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Maria,

Hmm, interesting reading. Thanks for the links.

So, would  you think saying FOSS is better as a general label?  I'l looking at 
all this from a sales angle for my specific need.   A lot of folks have heard 
of Open Source for example, but I'm not sure how many might be able to 
distinguish the difference with Free and Open Source . . .  that being said, 
I don't have a problem labeling things as FOSS

Bobb



From: dela...@gmail.com [mailto:dela...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of María Arias de 
Reyna
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:30 AM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open 
Source is good.



On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Hi All,

I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source 
Software is a good bet for businesses.

Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as 
an informational handout.

I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. 
 I'll go off and look some on Google

Thanks in advance.


Hi,

Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints: 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
And don't use open, use free: 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html




Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.
·  You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
·  The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the 
Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
·  You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial 
Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered 
manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is considerably 
enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but 
beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process 
to a commercial package.
·  The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a method 
for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across boundaries and 
jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best practice.  It's not 
about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you want to, but to provide 
a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary and open technologies.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] (Free and) Open Source positives.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

My compiled list from comments on the list.  Thanks everyone.  I have a 
conference booth I'm manning next week that I'm making a handout for based on 
this input.

Bobb




* The Four Freedoms:

oThe freedom to run the program for any purpose.

oThe freedom to study how the program works and adapt it to one's own needs.

oThe freedom to redistribute copies.

oThe freedom to make improvements to the program and release them to the 
public.

* You're not dependent on the vendor's business plans, which are 
determined mostly by their marketing people.

* Free and Open Source licensing flavors: (not sure how this will be 
applied to handout as of yet)

oGNU

oFSF

oOSI
* You are not prohibited from using proprietary software in the mix.
* The act of using free and open source software (FOSS) in general is 
also promoting the Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
* You are not requiring other potential business partners to use 
proprietary Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an 
unfettered manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is 
considerably enhanced.  The big proprietary packages offer these capabilities 
as well, but beware of special situations and process additions that still bind 
your process to a proprietary package.
* The bigger picture view is that free and open source software should 
be thought of as a method for keeping business operations open and 
inter-operable across boundaries and jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a 
business best practice.  It's not about going 100% free and open source 
software, even though you can if you want to, but to provide a system and 
mechanisms that work for both proprietary and open technologies.

* You don't have to wait for a year or more to have access to a 
bugfix/enhancement of the software, you can try it right away and influence the 
resolution of the problem.

* You can influence the direction the software roadmap takes by funding 
contributions, paying for support, reporting bugs, and registering desired 
features with the project.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hi All,

I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open Source 
Software is a good bet for businesses.

Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is intended as 
an informational handout.

I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to these. 
 I'll go off and look some on Google

Thanks in advance.



Here are some benefits that Open Source software gives you.

  *   You are not prohibited from using Commercial Software in the mix.
  *   The act of using OpenSource software in general is also promoting the 
Open-Data concept as well as Open-Standards.
  *   You are not requiring other potential business partners to use Commercial 
Software in order to use your services and get at your data in an unfettered 
manner, nor to serve their data to you.  Interoperability is considerably 
enhanced.  The big commerical packages offer these capabilities as well, but 
beware of special situations and process additions that still bind your process 
to a commercial package.
  *   The bigger picture view is that OpenSource should be thought of as a 
method for keeping business operations open and inter-operable across 
boundaries and jurisdictions.  And to be thought of as a business best 
practice.  It's not about going 100% OpenSource, even though you can if you 
want to, but to provide a system and mechanisms that work for both proprietary 
and open technologies.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Would you be concerned if the GeoServices REST API became an OGC standard?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

I'm pretty much in the same camp as Jeroen has described below.

The original advertised capabilities from OGC were to develop a set of common 
and documented standards that could be used as interoperable building blocks.  
It was supposed to be a nice and easy way to say that I, (or we) as 
developer(s) is/are adhering to a standards approach.  It was supposed to be 
easy to rally around.

As noted elsewhere in this thread the KML stuff seemed to fracture the OGC 
universe somewhat.  I had a hard time with its introduction as a standard at 
the time as well.  Each of these new introductions of processes seem to 
fracture the original OGC intents even further as far as being a set of 
standards to  point at.

Now even after having said all of this, how does the community maintain a 
standards approach while still embracing change.  New approaches need to be 
vetted and possibly approved as to what they are are and what their 
capabilities are.  The bigger piece here seems to be the missing aspects of 
description needed by the end users of the standards, and about what those 
standards are really capable of, and second, and probably more important, how 
popular it is to the Open community.  I have no idea how a popularity ranking 
might occur, but it would allow for all sorts of approaches with various 
standards being introduced but also demonstrate which ones are being used the 
most.  Hmmm, maybe OGC needs an Incubation stage of adoption, which lets a 
following build (if it's there) or not.

Bobb




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On Behalf Of Jeroen Ticheler
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:42 AM
To: bruce.bannerman.osgeo
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Would you be concerned if the GeoServices REST 
API became an OGC standard?

All,
Having read this thread I support what has been said by Adrian, Bruce and 
others. If anything, acceptance of a set of standards that basically replicates 
what W*S standards already do will confuse customers. Maybe that is exactly 
what esri hopes to achieve, it definitely doesn't help our (the geospatial 
community) business. And as Bruce states, it will have serious impact on the 
OGC credibility. As OSGeo I can imagine that we then decide to start our own 
standardization process and build a standards brand around OSGeo products. Not 
a nice perspective, let's hope OGC won't go down that route.
Jeroen

On 6 mei 2013, at 01:08, bruce.bannerman.osgeo 
bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cameron,
 
 My personal opinion is that if this proposal was accepted, it would be a bad 
 move for OGC.
 
 Remember that OGC is a community and its Technical Committee membership are 
 the people who vote on the acceptance of Standards. The TC comprises many 
 different organisations.
 
 
 I do understand that OGC are trying to be inclusive in their processes and to 
 try and cater for alternative approaches to a problem, much the same as OSGeo 
 does in supporting multiple projects that essentially handle similar use 
 cases (e.g. GeoServer, MapServer and Degree).
 
 I have also personally witnessed ESRI's commitment to helping to further the 
 development of Open Spatial Standards through their work on OGC Working 
 Groups and at OGC Technical Committee meetings.
 
 ESRI also have made a valid point in their response to the 'NO' vote for the 
 GeoServices REST API that the OGC has already allowed alternate approaches 
 with the acceptance of netCDF as a data format and KML as a combined 
 data/presentation format.
 
 With the GeoServices REST API, I think that the approach proposed:
 
 - is very divisive for the OGC community.
 - essentially appears to propose an alternate way for working with spatial 
 services that does not utilise or build on the W*S suite of services that 
 have been developed through robust community processes for in excess of a 
 decade.
 - does not provide REST bindings to the W*S suite of standards that have been 
 widely implemented in a range of software.
 - will result in confusion within the user community that are trying to 
 utilise 'OGC' services.
 
 
 If this approach were to be adopted, I believe that OGC will go too far down 
 the alternate solution approach and will risk losing its public acceptance as 
 one of the key leaders of open spatial standards.
 
 
 I'm interested in hearing other OSGeo members opinions as to how this 
 proposal would affect their projects.
 
 Would you consider implementing the GeoServices REST API within your projects?
 
 If you did, would you maintain support for both it and traditional W*S 
 services?
 
 Bruce

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Picking a name for OSGeo Research and Education Labs Network

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Cameron,

I remember the OSGEO Labs discussion way back, Robert-Bray was the one who I 
first recall bringing up OSGEO Labs in the discussion on it.  I remember this 
because I thought it was a really good idea at the time.  Maybe he got the idea 
from you.

http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/Supporting-new-projects-tt3857964.html#a3858002

This originated out of a rather long discussion on how to promote Incubation 
projects at the time (2007) and it was thought that OSGeo labs was the way to 
go for a name.  while I don't see it as having really taken off as a catch 
phrase related to OSGeo, I don't think I agree with hijacking the name at this 
point, unless the old meaning is somehow incorporated into whatever the new 
meaning is intended to be.  Could new projects be shepherded by the EDU 
group(s) of folks perhaps?

I do see the desire to use the name though.  It does make some sense from the 
EDU side of the tracks.  But wouldn't OSGeo EDU or OSGeo Education be a better 
description?  OSGeo Labs seems like more of a generic name.   Maybe EDU items 
are included under Labs as well as Incubation items?

Bobb





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  From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
  boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
  Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:27 PM
  To: OSGeo Discussions; Suchith Anand
  Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Picking a name for OSGeo Research and
  Education Labs Network
  
  All,
  Suchith's OSGeo Research and Education Labs Network is becoming
  more and more successful, with new educational institutions being
  added every week or two. (Are we up to 20 to 25 Universities
  now?)
  
  I see the list of emails has 46 people on it. So there is
  discussion about:
  1. Setting up an email list for all these people 2. Setting up a
  landing web page, something like http://labs.osgeo.org 3. Setting
  up a wiki page 4. Collecting names of participants, similar to
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate
  
  But before doing all the above, we need to pick an abbreviated
  name for the OSGeo Research and Education Labs Network
  
  Ideas floated so far:
  * labs.osgeo.org (Probably the best name, but this name is
  current being used by projects which haven't started incubation
  yet).
  * Osgeo Specialist Labs
  * OSGeo REL - research and education labs
  * OSGeoEduLabs
  
  I'm personally in favour of the OSGeo Research Labs claiming the
  OSGeo Labs name as I believe that OSGeo Research Labs have
  already been using the term OSGeo Labs for quite some time in
  correspondence, the Research Labs are likely to become much
  more prominent than the current OSGeo Labs, and I know the
  person who originally coined the OSGeo Labs term won't be
  offended (as it was me who originally coined the OSGeo Labs
  term).
  
  I'd suggest moving the existing OSGeo Labs to OSGeo Pre-
  incubation
  (or a similar term).
  
  I suggest that we wait for up to one week, before settling on a
  domain name, in order to give everyone a chance to add their
  comments.
  
  --
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  Geospatial Solutions Manager
  Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Presentations on OSGeo?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Frank,

I'm not heavily involved, but I'm on a few of the lists.  I'm also local to 
the area, so if you need any sort of local support.  I've set up loops of the 
OSGeoLive DVD slide show, that Cameron has usually puts together, in a couple 
of instances for local conferences.

Bobb


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  Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:33 AM
  To: OSGeo
  Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4GNA - Presentations on OSGeo?
  
  Folks,
  
  Is anyone proposing to do a presentation about OSGeo?  I'd like
  to do one talking fairly broadly about the organization and then
  focusing in on recent organizational developments.  But I don't
  really want to do it on my own.  Ideally I'd like one or two
  other folks heavily involved in OSGeo to co-present.  Anyone
  already submitting to this effect?  Care to partner?
  
  PS. Of course I'm only thinking about this now because I thought
  I was down to my last 30 minutes before the deadline, but I see
  they have extended it by roughly a week, so there is a bit of
  time to work out a plan.
  
  Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Open Data, Open Source or Open Configuration, is there a method for Open Sourcing a particular configuration of Open Source projects?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Seems like a simple question, but I'm not so positive the more I think about it.

We've been working on an Automatic Vehicle Location application that is loosely 
built on OpenSource Projects.  I say loosely because most if not all of the 
Open Source components could be swapped out for Commercial versions if needed.  
There was a desire early on to eventually open source parts of the project in 
some manner.  Currently this open sourced aspect is looking like a 
configuration/specification for how data is stored and transferred between the 
components, and this is what we propose to open up to the community.  It's 
heavily focused on the geospatial aspects for obvious reasons, but I would 
suspect there may be other uses for the configuration unrelated to tracking of 
vehicle locations.

Currently the components being used are (and there will likely be more in the 
future) are:

MapServer
OpenLayers
GeoMoose
Postgres/PostGIS

Each of the these components has been configured specifically for the project 
and these configuration templates would be included as part of the project.  
There could even be an installer script included at some point.

So, to put it more simply, does anyone here have any suggestions/comments on 
how to proceed with project packaging?

Thanks

Bobb



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Data, Open Source or Open Configuration, is there a method for Open Sourcing a particular configuration of Open Source projects?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Arnie,

We went a slightly different route in that we defined a bare minimum schema for 
mapping operations, and then augmented this with specific vendor related 
database design elements.  In other words the data is abstracted into the DB as 
a standard, which should be able to be connected to from any of the available 
mapping/visualization packages available.  All that parsing work you  
describe has become a fairly straight-forward DB loading task, the hardest part 
of which, being the describing, or mapping of the vendor field descriptions, to 
the standards needed for mapping operations.  Still the same problems you 
describe, only compartmentalized in the processing pipeline, and even 
streamlined to take into account the vendors additional field name preferences 
for the non-tracking data.

Our data right now is being fed into the standard database schema by the 
current AVL hardware vendor which is working closely with us on the project.  
They feed a Postgres database, and we read it (and replicate it for backup)

bobb

  -Original Message-
  From: Arnie Shore [mailto:shor...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:24 AM
  To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
  Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org); TicketsCAD Info
  Group
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Data, Open Source or Open
  Configuration, is there a method for Open Sourcing a particular
  configuration of Open Source projects?
  
  All, my ears are way up on this.  In addition to a native one
  written by Andy here, we're doing AVL within our Tickets CAD
  application by connecting to the respective proprietary servers,
  rather than accommodating n end-devices (where n is a large
  number!)
  
  We've written parsers for each of the supported systems, and I
  can say
  that each such is a bit of an adventure.(The Good Lord must
  love
  standards; She made so many of them.)
  
  So, I'm listening.
  
  AS
  Veni, Vidi, Velcro
  
  On 2/6/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us
  wrote:
   All,
  
   Seems like a simple question, but I'm not so positive the more
  I think
   about it.
  
   We've been working on an Automatic Vehicle Location application
  that
   is loosely built on OpenSource Projects.  I say loosely because
  most
   if not all of the Open Source components could be swapped out
  for
   Commercial versions if needed.  There was a desire early on to
   eventually open source parts of the project in some manner.
  Currently
   this open sourced aspect is looking like a
  configuration/specification
   for how data is stored and transferred between the components,
  and
   this is what we propose to open up to the community.  It's
  heavily
   focused on the geospatial aspects for obvious reasons, but I
  would
   suspect there may be other uses for the configuration unrelated
  to tracking of vehicle locations.
  
   Currently the components being used are (and there will likely
  be more
   in the future) are:
  
   MapServer
   OpenLayers
   GeoMoose
   Postgres/PostGIS
  
   Each of the these components has been configured specifically
  for the
   project and these configuration templates would be included as
  part of
   the project.  There could even be an installer script included
  at some point.
  
   So, to put it more simply, does anyone here have any
   suggestions/comments on how to proceed with project packaging?
  
   Thanks
  
   Bobb
  
  
  
  


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a Android AR framework (any suggestions?)

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

I'm looking for a (rather basic) android framewok for doing some Augemented 
Reality stuff.  I just want to position a 2d Map on top of the camera display 
based on the client GPS/Compass/Accelerometer info.  The map to be autoupdated 
and continuously centered on the view?  I've also not seen manu map based 
examples, most examples are point based for the overlays.

Some things I found:

LAYAR seems to pop to the top of the list a lot, but it's not completely open 
and look a little heavy.
SomaView Points only?
GeoVector Commercial??
Wikitude Looks very  interesting, but commercial . . .???
http://code.google.com/p/android-augment-reality-framework/

Other suggestions?

Bobb



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Looking for Open-Source project inception dates for OSGeo projects

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

List is getting smaller . . .

Just need dates for these projects now:


*  Geomajas

*  MapFish

*  ZOO-Project

*  Opticks

*  FDO

*  Metacrs

Edits are ending up here: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Source_GIS_History#Timeline


Bobb


From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Looking for Open-Source project 
inception dates for OSGeo projects

Ok, the list is now shorter thanks to this page: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Source_GIS_History#Timeline

Just need dates for these projects now:


*  Geomajas

*  GeoServer

*  MapFish

*  ZOO-Project

*  Opticks

*  FDO

*  GeoTools

*  Metacrs

*  Rasdaman

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Got a simple question, but can't seem to find the stuff I'm looking for.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Anyone know where I might find a chart/list that shows when a particular 
project was ratified by OSGeo, and added to the product list?

I'm only looking for year of at this point.  Would meeting minutes be the 
obvious place to start?

Thanks

Bobb

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[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Well, there are foundational projects like MapServer that were there from the 
start.  Maybe a better tack is to figure out an age for project and use that 
instead.

Inception date so to speak, regardless of whether they were associated with 
OSGeo or not.  Might be easier to find now that I think about it.

Bobb



From: fwarmer...@gmail.com [mailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Frank 
Warmerdam
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:08 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org); live-d...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Got a simple question, but can't seem to find the 
stuff I'm looking for.

Bob,

I assume you mean when they graduated from incubation?  Or perhaps you mean 
when they entered?  I am not aware of a unified list.  But you could review 
news announcements, and incubation and board minutes to harvest the info 
painfully.

Best regards,
Frank
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
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All,

Anyone know where I might find a chart/list that shows when a particular 
project was ratified by OSGeo, and added to the product list?

I'm only looking for year of at this point.  Would meeting minutes be the 
obvious place to start?

Thanks

Bobb


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Different strategy . . .

If you know when a project became Open Source, please reply here with that 
project's year of Open Sourcing.

Thanks

Bobb



OSGeo Projects
Web Mapping

  *   deegreehttp://www.osgeo.org/deegree
  *   geomajashttp://www.osgeo.org/geomajas
  *   GeoMoosehttp://www.geomoose.org/[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif] (2007 Bob Basques)
  *   GeoServerhttp://geoserver.org/[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
  *   Mapbenderhttp://www.osgeo.org/mapbender
  *   MapBuilderhttp://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder
  *   MapFishhttp://www.osgeo.org/mapfish
  *   MapGuide Open Sourcehttp://www.osgeo.org/mapguide
  *   MapServerhttp://www.osgeo.org/mapserver
  *   OpenLayershttp://www.osgeo.org/openlayers
  *   ZOO-Projecthttp://www.zoo-project.org/[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
Desktop Applications

  *   GRASS GIShttp://www.osgeo.org/grass
  *   Quantum GIShttp://www.osgeo.org/qgis
  *   gvSIGhttp://www.osgeo.org/gvsig[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
  *   Optickshttp://opticks.org[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
Geospatial Libraries

  *   FDOhttp://fdo.osgeo.org
  *   GDAL/OGRhttp://www.osgeo.org/gdal_ogr
  *   GEOShttp://geos.osgeo.org
  *   GeoToolshttp://www.osgeo.org/geotools
  *   MetaCRShttp://metacrs.osgeo.org/[Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
  *   OSSIMhttp://www.osgeo.org/ossim
  *   PostGIShttp://www.postgis.org/
  *   rasdamanhttp://www.rasdaman.org [Description: 
http://www.osgeo.org/sites/all/themes/osgeo/incubation.gif]
Metadata Catalog

  *   GeoNetworkhttp://www.osgeo.org/geonetwork


From: fwarmer...@gmail.com [mailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Frank 
Warmerdam
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:08 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org); live-d...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Got a simple question, but can't seem to find the 
stuff I'm looking for.

Bob,

I assume you mean when they graduated from incubation?  Or perhaps you mean 
when they entered?  I am not aware of a unified list.  But you could review 
news announcements, and incubation and board minutes to harvest the info 
painfully.

Best regards,
Frank
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
[cid:image003.gif@01CD9C03.331D0FF0]
All,

Anyone know where I might find a chart/list that shows when a particular 
project was ratified by OSGeo, and added to the product list?

I'm only looking for year of at this point.  Would meeting minutes be the 
obvious place to start?

Thanks

Bobb


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Open-Source project inception dates for OSGeo projects

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Barry,

Was hoping to get information real quickly.  Not all listers have access (or 
want)  to Wiki edit.

Might be better though with your added items.  I was planning on doing the WIKI 
in the end either way.

bobb

From: b.rowling...@gmail.com [mailto:b.rowling...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry 
Rowlingson
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:31 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: Frank Warmerdam; osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org); 
live-d...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Open-Source project inception dates 
for OSGeo projects


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Different strategy . . .

If you know when a project became Open Source, please reply here with that 
project's year of Open Sourcing.


How about making a page on the OSGeo wiki instead of bouncing emails around?

A table of project name, project start date, OSGeo incubation date, maturity 
date would seem to serve you. references to the sources of those dates could be 
linked too (eg email messages, incubation discussions etc).

Barry



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Open-Source project inception dates for OSGeo projects

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Hey, hey, looky what I found:  
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Source_GIS_History

Bobb



From: b.rowling...@gmail.com [mailto:b.rowling...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Barry 
Rowlingson
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:31 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: Frank Warmerdam; osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org); 
live-d...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Open-Source project inception dates 
for OSGeo projects


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Different strategy . . .

If you know when a project became Open Source, please reply here with that 
project's year of Open Sourcing.


How about making a page on the OSGeo wiki instead of bouncing emails around?

A table of project name, project start date, OSGeo incubation date, maturity 
date would seem to serve you. references to the sources of those dates could be 
linked too (eg email messages, incubation discussions etc).

Barry



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[OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Where is the Home Page link on this page supposed to go?  I keep getting a 
login page . . .is this correct?

http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder


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[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Must be on my end then, looking . . .


Bobb




From: fwarmer...@gmail.com [mailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Frank 
Warmerdam
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been 
hijacked . . .

Bob,

Funky, it works for me.  It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and 
information on it being retired.

This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in 
chrome and firefox).

Best regards,
Frank

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bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
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Where is the Home Page link on this page supposed to go?  I keep getting a 
login page . . .is this correct?

http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

It might be related to a cert thing . . .

Bobb



From: thomas bonfort [mailto:thomas.bonf...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:14 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: Frank Warmerdam; osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been 
hijacked . . .

I can confirm that something going wrong too. Frank, did you click on the 
homepage link, i.e. http://communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org/ ?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Must be on my end then, looking . . .


Bobb




From: fwarmer...@gmail.commailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com 
[mailto:fwarmer...@gmail.commailto:fwarmer...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Frank 
Warmerdam
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:10 PM
To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org)
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been 
hijacked . . .

Bob,

Funky, it works for me.  It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and 
information on it being retired.

This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in 
chrome and firefox).

Best regards,
Frank

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
[cid:image001.gif@01CD9668.CA9AF310]
Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go?  I keep getting a 
login page . . .is this correct?

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Local GIS OSGeo booth. Looking for material to display on electronic display.

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

We're coming up on a local GIS/LIS conference that will include the manning of 
a OSGeo booth.  I believe we'll have an electronic display available in the 
booth.  I was wondering about what electronic presentations or tidbits that 
might be available to run in a loop on the display.

I have Cameron's LiveDVD presentation stuff from here so far:

https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/promo/trunk/en/presentation/

This will be mixed in with some local project stuff for looping.

Any other standard info items available?

Bobb




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Should we write a FOSS4G Cookbook?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

Related to this, I've been wondering about how to go about setting up a 
business specific LiveDVD.  Is there a possible synergy to be had with a recipe 
derived DVD (collection?) ??.

Bobb



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  boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Woodbridge
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:43 AM
  To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Should we write a FOSS4G Cookbook?
  
  Hello,
  
  I think the 'cookbook' is a great idea! It is about capturing our
  collective knowledge and experience, it not about limiting
  creativity or change. Just like in software when you have an
  individual contributor that has passion, vision and drive can
  create wonderful things, you also have to help the other
  contributors that are not so visionary to do a good job. The
  'cookbook' gives us a recipe for success, it is the basic stuff
  that you need to know to get the job done successfully. To
  continue with the analogy a visionary chef looks at the recipe
  and changes it to suit his creative talents.
  
  So it all depends on whether we require people to only follow
  the recipe or we use it as a guideline for people that are
  volunteering to help but may not have had past experience to get
  things done correctly.
  
  The cookbook is a great idea in my opinion.
  
  -Steve W
  
  On 9/6/2012 10:14 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
   Hello Cameron,
  
   Making sure that a transfer of knowledge happens from one
  FOSS4G local
   committee to the next is something that I've championed for a
  very
   long time now - it is a thankless invisible task that not many
  are
   aware is happening (archiving documents, pinging committee
  members
   over and over to openly archive documents and logos and files,
  making
   sure such critical parts of FOSS4G are kept - ribbon in logo,
  t-shirts
   for attendees, hands-on workshops - to the point that local
  committees
   kind of become annoyed with me).
  
   My vision of FOSS4G (credit here to original FOSS4G Heroes
  such as
   Venka and Markus of course) has always been very simple: to
  spread the
   Open Source Geospatial passion all around the world.  It has
  not been
   about money or politics.  The result has been FOSS4G local
  committees
   are free to take this passion and mold it into their own
  vision.
   Events such as FOSS4G Cape Town in 2008 are proof of this.
  
   I worry that such a 'cookbook' will hinder this open passion
  and
   vision for a local committee.
  
   The first drafts of such a cookbook came many years ago from
  Paul
   Ramsey, from his 2007 experiences.  Since then I've heard
  rumblings
   from Arnulf, Cameron and others.
  
   I guess it is time for such guidelines.  For sure we need a
  conference
   Content Management System internal to OSGeo that is required
  for all
   FOSS4G local committees to use (not external systems such as
   Basecamp); this is critical.
  
  
   -jeff
  
  
  
  
  
   On 12-09-05 7:34 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
   In analysing the downfall of FOSS4G 2012 [1] one of the key
  lessons
   that became apparent to me is that we are not very efficient
  at
   passing on Lessons Learned from one conference to the next.
  
   Could we do a better job of knowledge transfer by building an
  OSGeo
   Conference Body of Knowledge? Something like a FOSS4G Cookbook
  [2]?
  
   If so, what should be the scope of the cookbook? Should it
  only be
   for the international FOSS4G event? Should it cover regional
   conferences too? Should it also cover FOSS4G steams in other
  conferences?
  
   Who thinks this idea is important enough that you would like
  to help
   write sections of the Cookbook, or help with editing?
  
   What format should we use to write the Cookbook? Maybe a wiki?
  
   I'm interested to help push this idea forward if we as a
  community
   think that there will be value in such a collaboratively
  edited document.
  
   If you have an interest, please respond on the OSGeo
  conference_dev
   email list (rather than OSGeo Discuss)
  
   [1]
   http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/analysing-
  downfall-of-f
   oss4g-2012.html
  
   [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Cookbook
   [3] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
  
  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing GIS Data Models

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Landon,

Sounds interesting.  Please keep me in the loop as you move forward.

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On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:14 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing GIS Data Models

I recently started work on a GIS for a small sewer district at my day job. I'm 
currently using diagrams I created in Inkscape
(http://inkscape.org/) to illustrate the following elements of my GIS data 
model:

1) Simple Feature Attributes
2) Individual Feature Level Metadata

When the data model documentation process is complete I hope to also have 
diagrams for the additional elements of my GIS data model:

1) Topology Data
2) Feature Relationships
3) Feature Editing History

The diagrams will be combined with a short written guide to document the data 
model. I plan on sharing all of the data model, including its design, the SVG 
and PDF files of the diagrams, and the written guide.
I'd like to release all of that under a Creative Commons License. If I can find 
time, I'll tweak the diagrams to create templates that could be easily applied 
to other data models.

Is there any interest among other OSGeo members in these data model documents 
and templates? If there is, I'd love to gather feedback from interested 
parties. If there was enough interest, I'd like to talk about hosting an open 
data model page similar to the one here:

http://support.esri.com/en/downloads/datamodel

I'd could commit to maintaining the data for the sewer data model, and hope to 
add data models for the Public Land Survey System and Flood Control 
Infrastructure before the end of the year. If there isn't interest in doing 
that as part of OSGeo, I'll put up a set of GIS data model pages here:

http://www.ccvgpg.org/

Ultimately my goal is to encourage better documentation and sharing of GIS data 
model design. Inkscape is a really wonderful vector graphics program that makes 
it possible to do this in a beautiful way using common templates.

If there is any interest, I'll share what I've got so far, and will move the 
conversation to the OSGeo standards mailing list.

Thanks.

Landon
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Simple Topology File Format Specification

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

Landon,

Before you get too far gone.  :c).  I would like to encourage you to rethink 
the idea of using a DB.  PostGIS would be great for what you have described, 
and with some CGI programming, you could pop out SHP file from the database as 
needed.

We went through all this same type of work some years back specifically for our 
sewer system. Started out in Oracle, and used AutoCAD topobase for a while, and 
now run our Web side via a PostGIS sync to the Oracle/Postgis side.  
Originally, we did the same as you've described, two files (tables) one for 
nodes, and one for segments.  These two tables are enough to capture everything 
needed to rebuild the structures dynamically for a 3D representation of the 
sewer system.

bobb



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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:28 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Simple Topology File Format Specification

As part of my recent work for setting up a GIS for a small sanitary sewer 
district, I've been working on a simple way to share network topology 
information between GIS systems. The current method for storing and sharing 
network topology uses two delimited text files.
The first delimited text file stores information about nodes in the network, 
and relates these nodes to simple features. The second delimited text file 
stores information about connectors (or edges) between the nodes and relates 
these connectors to simple features. The two files can be used together to 
represent network topology. In the future, the method will also store network 
topology rules.

I'll start work soon on a set of open source plug-ins for OpenJUMP that uses 
these files to perform network topology analysis and operations on simple 
features. This includes tasks like simple network route tracing. I would like 
to split out the low-level code used by the set of network topology plug-ins 
into a GeoTools module so it can be used by other Java programs.

At this point, some of you are probably asking why don't you just put all of 
this in a database?.

There are two reasons:

1) I've got to work with ESRI Shapefiles. I can use OpenJUMP for the project at 
my day job, but only if my core data files are interoperable with ESRI. (This 
is horrible, I know, but it is the reality I'm currently dealing with.) I'm not 
using a geodatabase, and I'm not storing my simple feature data in a database. 
I need my simple features in Shapefiles and my topology data in stand-alone 
text files.
2) Databases are hard to share. :]

If there is interest among other OSGeo members, I'd like to write and publish a 
specification for my topology data files under a Creative Commons License. (I 
wouldn't claim any intellectual property over the method or file structures 
either, if that was a concern.) I'd be willing to maintain and update the 
specification over time.

I looked at CityGML for network topology, but it was way too complex.
I don't want anything resembling XML. :]

Perhaps my use case is too limited to benefit others, but I wanted to shoot 
something over the bow. I think it would be great to have a way to share 
network topology between program's like QGIS, UDig, and OpenJUMP.

If there is interest in my work, I'll move this discussion to the OSGeo 
Standards Mailing List.

Thanks.

Landon
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Announcement tools at OSGEO?

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

GeoMoose 2.6 is on the verge of being released.  I recall having the 
announcement of (major) releases being added to the OSGEO news feed in the past 
and that I had to ask someone about this. Are there any other similar 
tools/processes from the OSGEO side?

Thanks

bobb


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