Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Poll: Change FOSS4G structure to have some continuity of organization and management

[Gavin Fleming via Discuss]

I support reassessing the FOSS4G modus operandi to ensure it stays fresh and 
relevant to the OSGeo communities and markets and keeps up to date with 
changing realities. Indeed it should be open to evolving from year to year. 

I think the essence of FOSS4G moving around the world and being a ‘local yet 
global’ event shouldn’t be lost.  

Perhaps more elements of conference organisation could be centralised to 
minimise the burden on the LOC and for continuity. I think Steven stepping up 
to assist with sponsorship support for a few years now is an example of that. I 
would say the web site / digital platform is another element that is a huge 
effort to re-imagine and reimplement each year, although when it was attempted 
before (for 2008) it was far from ideal, so it would have to be considered 
carefully. 

There will always be substantial effort involved at the local level, which for 
most LOC members is probably a once-off yet very gratifying labour of love. 

As far as the conference committee goes, I think it’s essential to retain as 
many past chairs / LOC members as are willing, but that membership should be 
supplemented by any wiling CM.

regards

Gavin 

> On 08 Feb 2022, at 23:25, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss 
> mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
> 
> Well said Sanghee.
> 
> As a former member of the LOC for FOSS4G-2009 I agree with the local 
> community development argument, though in our case it led to a lot of 
> burn-out.
> 
> There is also the practicality of finding a conference organiser that can 
> operate effectively anywhere in the world.
> 
> Should the alternate approach go through, significant thought also needs to 
> go into the procurement process to avoid the very real potential for 
> corruption.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Bruce
> 
>> On 9 Feb 2022, at 01:28, 신상희 via Discuss > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I prefer option 1. 
>> 
>> If this poll was asked just after FOSS4G Seoul 2015, I would have selected 
>> option 2 without any hesitations. 
>> 
>> However I now realize that I, LOC members, and local community had learned a 
>> lot by going through the difficulties of preparing the event altogether. 
>> That experience was very unique, invaluable and is now one of driving force 
>> of vibrant activity of OSGeo Korean chapter. Community driven FOSS4G with 
>> help from PCO is not so bad model, I think. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> 신상희
>> ---
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>> www.gaia3d.com 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "michael terner" mailto:terner...@gmail.com>>
>> To: "Steven Feldman" mailto:shfeld...@gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "OSGeo-Conf" > >; "OSGeo Discussions" 
>> mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>; "Massimiliano 
>> Cannata" > >; "Eli Adam" > >
>> Sent: 2022-02-06 오전 6:09:42
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] Poll: Change FOSS4G structure to have some 
>> continuity of organization and management
>> 
>>> +2 for considering change
>>> 
>>> There's definitely room to consider continual improvements for the 
>>> conference process, as the world, and our community has evolved 
>>> considerably over the last few years. No easy solutions, but lots to think 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Eli starting this thread with an "informal poll" makes complete sense. The 
>>> Committee is simply doing it's job of helping the Board to manage and 
>>> promote the conference activity. We don't get to make decisions by 
>>> ourselves, but generating ideas is certainly part of the mandate. And, as 
>>> others have said, if the board disagrees with a proposal/idea, they do not 
>>> have to approve it.
>>> 
>>> MT
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 6:02 AM Steven Feldman >> > wrote:
>>> +2 from me
>>> 
>>> Everyone is welcome to participate in the conversation about changes to the 
>>> organisation of FOSS4G, then the Conference Ctee should vote and make a 
>>> recommendation (or recommendations) to the Board and the Board should 
>>> decide.
>>> 
>>> Our organisational model is that the charter members elect the board and 
>>> the board then makes decisions on their behalf, if CM’s don’t agree with 
>>> board decisions they have the option to vote in a new board, we do not have 
>>> a direct voting or referendum system where CM’s are consulted on individual 
>>> decisions.
>>> __
>>> Steven
>>> 
>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org 
>>> 
>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild ” 
>>> newsletter
>>> 
 On 4 Feb 2022, at 09:01, Jeroen Ticheler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Maxi,
 Thanks! I completely agree with those type of changes indeed. It makes 
 sense we have a list of scenario’s forward and have a vote on that by the 
 community. 
 
 For what the 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Gavin Fleming]

Hi Bruce

I've done fairly  extensive research as this is a very common situation. 
The landscape is quite fluid though.


There are a few third party extensions out there but I haven't had much 
luck with them in a read-write production environment.


Native read support of PostGIS from ArcGIS desktop has been available 
for a few versions now. The clincher is write support. For that you need 
to pay up and as a minimum get ArcGIS Editor (now called Standard). 
ArcGIS ArcView (now called Basic) won't get you write access. And you 
can't get around it with WFS-T either.


So in a nutshell, to write to native PostGIS via a database connection 
or WFS-T you need either ArcGIS Standard ('Editor') or Enterprise 
('ArcInfo') or ArcGIS Server (set up to use native PostGIS geometry).


Gavin

On 11/07/2014 06:56, Bruce Bannerman wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience using PostGIS as a vector spatial data 
source with ArcGIS Desktop as a client?


I'm particularly interested in our ArcGIS Desktop users being able to 
create, update and delete spatial data managed within a PostGIS 
environment, without the use of ArcSDE or similar middle wear.


Would you be interested in sharing any experiences that you've had 
from implementation to operational use?



We have a mixed spatial environment with both ArcGIS Desktop and open 
source Desktop GIS applications as client tools.


Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I'd like to 
move our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our 
vector spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS.


Bruce



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gis data download app per sheet/quad suggestions

[Gavin Fleming]

:
  


  

  Hi everybody [1].
  
  Im looking for
  suggestions on existing or easily
  adaptable solutions to a simple
  point-select-download web app. The
  ones Ive found work by
  downloading an entire gis dataset.
  I need to allow downloading of
  selected sheets/quads to narrow
  down the volume of downloaded data
  at any given time.
  
  So, any suggestions?
  
  Much appreciated,
  Duarte
  
  [1]
  
https://www.google.com/search?q=hi+everybodyoq=hi+everybody 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  Tel.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo at IGARSS09

[Gavin Fleming]

I'm arranging an OSGeo presence at www.igarss09.org http://www.igarss09.org  
in Cape Town from 13-17 July. 
 
I need to hear from any OSGeo / GRASS / OSSIM or related people who will be 
attending IGARSS and who can spend a bit of time at an OSGeo table. Please add 
you name and contact details to: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IGARSS_2009 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IGARSS_2009 
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo workshop opportunities at IGARSS'09

[Gavin Fleming]

The 2009 IEEE International Symposium on Geoscience and Remote Sensing
will be held in Cape Town in July. What we call workshops at FOSS4G,
they call Tutorials and here's an opportunity for OSSIM, GDAL, GRASS,
ILWIS and others to be showcased:

 

http://www.igarss09.org/tutorials.asp 

 

On that note, who in the Africa Chapter will be attending IGARSS?
Perhaps we could create a presence there. 

 

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2008 conference materials

[Gavin Fleming]

Perfect timing Eduardo

There was a permissions bug on the FOSS4G website hosted by OSGeo that
was fixed only last week. Many presentations have since been uploaded
and we hope to have all of them available soon, along with some of the
materials from workshops and labs.

Gavin 
 
 

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Hi,

Will the materials from FOSS4G2008 conference be published at
www.foss4g2008.org ?

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Gavin Fleming]

Frank wrote:
As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to
work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an open
source track or something similar.

We've just been approached by www.eis-africa.org who are keen to run a 
dedicated FOSS4G track at www.africagis2009.org , 26-29 Oct 2009, the week 
after FOSS4G 2009. AfricaGIS is the major GIS conference in Africa (e.g. 750 
delegates in Pretoria in 2005). So, who's keen to make it happen?
 
GISSA will try to run FOSS4G tracks / have FOSS4G booths at all future national 
and provincial events in SA as well. 
 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G online registration closes Thursday

[Gavin Fleming]

We're seeing a surge in last-minute registrations. Note that 
Online registration at www.foss4g2008.org http://www.foss4g2008.org  is 
closing on Thursday.
 
You can register and pay on site at the CTICC at the following times:
Sunday 28th: 16h00 - 19h00
Monday 29th through Friday 3rd: from 07h00 - 10h00.
 
The FOSS4G venue is big so there's no chance we won't let you in (when you've 
paid). But please register online if you can to help with our planning. 
 
See you in Cape Town next week!
 
Gavin 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo booth demo PC @ FOSS4G- Cape Town

[Gavin Fleming]

If you'd like to demo your project in the live Demonstration Theatre, a
concept that worked so well last year, please check out
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Demos and let Tim (cc'd) know what
you'd like to demo and when.

The demo theatre will be right inside the exhibition hall. 

Gavin 


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The OSGeo booth PC will be available for demos/avi's etc for OSGeo
projects.  So far we have an OSSIMPlanet avi and a trailer for the
Sydney conf next year, but I'm sure there is plenty more content that
could go there.  If you'd like to take this opportunity to get some more
exposure for your project, please drop me a line.  If anyone wants to
install a demo I can organise that also.  The PC will be setup to dual
boot windows and Ubuntu for those that need it.  We will have a wired
connection to the wireless lan, so if required we can handle web style
demos.

Regards,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD

[Gavin Fleming]

A LiveCD BOF is a good idea - you can start planning it here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_BOF_Sessions

A few of the workshops and labs will be using liveCD or liveUSB.

Is anyone keen to produce a few hundred CDs of one or more of the liveCD
versions out there to distribute at the conference?

Gavin 


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Tim Bowden wrote:
 Is the liveCD issue worth a BOF in Cape Town?  I'm happy to coordinate
 if there is sufficient interest.  Proly irc hookup for those not
there.

 Thoughts?

   

good idea Tim.
None from Ominiverdi will be there fisically but we can try to be on
IRC.

ciao
Lorenzo


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RE: [Proj] RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Brief history of GIS OSS (bit offtopic?)

[Gavin Fleming]

An excellent potted history of OSS is in Steven Weber's 'The Success of Open 
Source'

Gavin 

Are you coming to www.foss4g2008.org?
 

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Norman Vine wrote:
 Mateusz Loskot writes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:29 PM
 
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Brief history of GIS OSS (bit off topic?)

 George Silva wrote:
 Hello lists,

 As you can i see im mailing this message to some lists around the web 
 (im sorry if thats a problem).

 At the moment i am writing my BSc thesis (Geography) focusing the 
 development of a open source software and database for logging and 
 analysing traffic accidents in Uberlândia, MG - Brazil.

 I am dedicating a chapter in my thesis to explaining Open Source 
 Software, and OSS for GIS. i searched the web for some 
 history of OSS in 
 general, but i found too many different sources. So i come to you, 
 developers of GIS OSS, to see if you can give me references 
 of where to 
 search for the history and process regarding this theme.
 George,

 Here is number of keywords related to history of FOSS4G
 and that you may google for and find details:

 - Sol Katz
 - Map Overlay and Statistical System (MOSS)
 - GRASS History (http://grass.itc.it/devel/grasshist.html)
 - UMP MapServer history
 
 
 Mateusz
 
 Great credits but don't forgot http://trac.osgeo.org/proj/ or perhaps 
 
 http://members.verizon.net/~vze2hc4d/proj4/ :-)
 
 Thanks Gerry !!

Norman,

Yes, I've forgot about these two. Thanks for completing.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Workshops now available! OpenStreetMap mapping party!

[Gavin Fleming]

2008 Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) Conference 
incorporating GISSA 2008, September 29 - October 3, Cape Town, South Africa

We are pleased to announce that the Workshop programme has been finalised. 
FOSS4G is renowned for its hands-on workshops, so REGISTER NOW TO SECURE YOUR 
PLACE! 

Please visit 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Workshops_and_Technical_Visits where you 
will be able to view the topics, presenters and time slots. Instructions are on 
the website. 

If you are already registered and paid you will receive preference. If not, 
then first register for the conference here 
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/schedConf/registration and 
choose your workshops during the registration process through e-mail 
correspondence with the conference organisers. 

OpenStreetMap mapping party: If you're in Cape Town on Sunday 28th September, 
warm up for the conference by walking the streets of Cape Town with a GPS!  See 
here for details or if you want to give some input: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenMappingAfrica2008 or 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_South_Africa

We hope to see you in Cape Town in September, in SIX WEEKS!

For up-to-date information, registration and program details, please visit the 
conference website: http://www.foss4g2008.org/ 

Gavin Fleming

FOSS4G 2008 conference chair

PS: please disseminate this as widely as possible

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEo material

[Gavin Fleming]

Hi Frans

Yes there's lots going on - see
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Education_Committee_Work_Program

Join the http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/edu_discuss list

And come to FOSS4G 2008 to find out more!

Gavin Fleming 
FOSS4G2008 conference chair: http://www.foss4g2008.org

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hi all

i just want to know, is there an official osgeo material for
education, so we can use it to penetrate the osgeo program to the
univs or school

i am glad if it is official

there is osgeo.net that arnulf showed to me last year. any progress?


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] End of life for Community Mapbuilder

[Gavin Fleming]

Mike's mention of the key role of a BoF in cooperation among projects is as 
good a reason as any to mention that you can plan your BoF session for 2008 
here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_BOF_Sessions. Who knows where it 
will lead?
 
Gavin 
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 by the degree of cooperation achieved between several of the web
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 side projects in recent years.  The experience and efforts focused on
 improvement and exploitation of OpenLayers by those involved in
 Mapbuilder,
 ka-map and other projects has helped turn OpenLayers into what I would
 argue
 is the best of breed role it plays now.
I just want to point out that a key event in this process was the web
mapping client BoF at Lausanne where all of the FOSS client projects got
together and decided to stop re-inventing the wheel.  For me, this is a
tangible demonstration of the benefits that OSGeo can achieve.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Gavin Fleming]

That's music to my ears...

Just a note about accommodation. If finding cheaper accommodation means 
deciding to come to the conference, have a look at our 'do-it-yourself' wiki 
page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_DIY. Also see the link to the Room 
share page if you want to cut costs by sharing a room. 

While I have your attention, if you haven't seen what's on offer yet click on 
'Presentations' or try the 'Browse' options in the right panel of 
www.foss4g2008.org to see the abstracts. 

We'll be putting the workshops and technical visits 'on offer' soon so make 
sure you register for the 'conference + workshops' package to be first in line.

Gavin 
 


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+1
same for me.

Guillaume

andrea antonello a écrit :
 As it should be done, I want to point out also that after this first
 problem with the registration was solved and defined, we got a perfect
 service and an immediate answer at every type of question from the
 peoplesa folks. And when I say immediatly, I mean it.
 
 I know that some people are still waiting for the form to come, but at
 that point I feel I can repeat what others told me: don't panic :)
 
 Ciao
 Andrea
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paolo Cavallini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gavin Fleming ha scritto:
 As the Hitchhikers' Guide states, Don't Panic!

 Some clarification of the process is in order, please bear with us...


 1) Register on the conference website. i.e. choose a conference
 package. Then hang back for a bit. 2) The conference organisers,
 PeopleSA, are notified and they send you a form. 3) You fill in the
 form and send it back. It specifies your choices for accommodation,
 gala dinner, etc. that could not be captured on the conference
 website. 4) PeopleSA then send you an invoice for registration,
 accommodation (if you choose from their offerings), gala dinner, etc.
 with a reference code. 5) You then proceed to pay. If by credit card,
 then here, where you will be asked for the reference code on your
 invoice: http://www.psaevents.co.za/Events/Foss4g/registration.aspx.
 Hi Gavin.
 I do not panic, but I must admit I got lost in the procedure.
 I think I have registered, but I did not receive the form.
 What do you suggest I should do?
 Thanks.
 pc
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Thinking of Exhibiting at the most important GIS conference in SA this year? Reserve your stand by July 7 for Early Bird rates

[Gavin Fleming]

2008 Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) Conference
incorporating GISSA 2008, September 29 - October 3, Cape Town, South
Africa

 

We've extended the exhibitor early bird deadline because of mailing list
hitches, so Reserve your stand by July 7 to get early bird rates:

 

Commercial Exhibitors

Booth size (3mX3m) Early i.e. reservation by July 7 is R17 500 (~$2270
USD)

 

Government/Non-profit/Universities 

Booth size (3mX3m) Early i.e. reservation by July 7 is R12 500 (~$1620
USD)

 


Exhibitors to date (4 July) include: Autodesk; SITA; Google; GIMS;
Geograph; Borealis; Open Spatial Solutions; GIS Global Image; CDSM
(Chief Directorate: Surveys and Mapping); Eskom ESI; MapWindow; United
Nations; OGC (Open Geospatial Consortium); CSIR, Camptocamp, 52North,
SAEON, Optron


There are still sponsorship opportunities available. Sponsors to date
(20 June) are: Platinum: Autodesk; Gold: SITA; Silver: Google and GIMS;
Bronze: WhereGroup, MapGears, LatLon, GeoTerraImage, DM Solutions Group
and Mintek.

 

Registration

Conference registration is covers the core 3.5 day conference, featuring
academic, presentation and poster tracks, live demo theatre, plenaries,
exhibition hall, wall-to-wall hands-on mini-workshops ('labs') and more!
A fantastic Gala dinner at Moyo in Stellenbosch is an extra item that
will be worth every cent. 

 

By 26 June we had 300 delegates from over 40 countries. Register at
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/schedConf/registration


 

Content

We have been overwhelmed with quality submissions in our academic and
presentation tracks. You will be able to choose from among 60 academic
papers and 140 presentations, that will run in parallel with the labs.
For a taste of the content to expect and to get your mouth watering, use
the 'Browse' tools on the right panel of the conference website:
www.foss4g2008.org http://www.foss4g2008.org/ . 

 

Hands-on workshops and labs

At an additional cost, you get a full five days featuring all of the
above PLUS the extremely popular FOSS4G hands-on workshops. We have
added some interesting technical visits too this year. Get a feel for
the workshops and labs here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Workshops_and_Labs. 

 

Keynote speaker

Ed Parsons http://www.edparsons.com/ , chief of geospatial technology
at Google and ex CTO of the UK Ordnance Survey will be a keynote speaker
at the opening plenary. 

 

We hope to see you in Cape Town, South Africa in September, in just
under three months!

 

For up-to-date information, registration and program details, please
visit the conference website: http://www.foss4g2008.org/ 

 

PS: please disseminate this as widely as possible

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Gavin Fleming]

Good to hear that Guillaume

By Monday 23rd we had 240 registrations from over 40 countries. That's a great 
core of Early Birds to start with. We are going to expand our marketing 
campaign now to attract more registrants from a wider spectrum over the next 3 
months. 

Gavin 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guillaume Sueur
Sent: 25 June 2008 08:43 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

It does a lot Gavin thank you for clarification.
By the way, I've had an email yesterday from People SA saying everything 
was ok and they just needed a little time to treat the +200 early bird 
registers.

Regards

Guillaume

Gavin Fleming a écrit :
 As the Hitchhikers' Guide states, Don't Panic!
  
 Some clarification of the process is in order, please bear with us...
  
 1) Register on the conference website. i.e. choose a conference package. Then 
 hang back for a bit. 
 2) The conference organisers, PeopleSA, are notified and they send you a form.
 3) You fill in the form and send it back. It specifies your choices for 
 accommodation, gala dinner, etc. that could not be captured on the conference 
 website.
 4) PeopleSA then send you an invoice for registration, accommodation (if you 
 choose from their offerings), gala dinner, etc. with a reference code.
 5) You then proceed to pay. If by credit card, then here, where you will be 
 asked for the reference code on your invoice: 
 http://www.psaevents.co.za/Events/Foss4g/registration.aspx. 
  
 Early birds: You are being asked to send your forms back urgently so you can 
 get an invoice in short order. The hurry now is to secure accommodation as 
 part of the conference block booking. The hold on that is released this week. 
 There is nothing we can do about that. Cape Town is really bustling that time 
 of year and hotels won't keep blocks on hold any longer. There is every 
 likelihood that rooms at those hotels will still be available after the hold 
 is lifted and they WILL be at the conference rate. So, try to fill in your 
 form and pay this week as requested. But if you don't manage, you'll most 
 likely still get your hotel and if you pay within a month of invoice, you'll 
 STILL GET YOUR EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION RATE.
  
 Hope that helps
  
 Gavin Fleming 
 FOSS4G2008 conference chair
  
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler
 Sent: Tue 2008/06/24 05:06 PM
 To: OSGeo Discussions
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g
 
 
 
 Hi Andrea,
 I had the same thing :-) Had to fill out the form while I also 
 registered online. I guess the form is the formal sealing of the deal 
 although I was also confused a bit. You still need to register for 
 other workshops you want to attend and for the gala dinner.
 Ciao,
 Jeroen
 
 On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote:
 
 Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
 registering at Foss4g.

 I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
 should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
 full discount?).
 Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No great, you
 subscribed or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
 the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
 send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
 Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
 understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
 reviewers, but got no answer.

 Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this 
 problem.
 So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback 
 please?

 Thanks,
 Andrea
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Gavin Fleming]

A few more hosting options are listed here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=344490 

Gavin 
 


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Schmidt
Sent: 24 June 2008 02:22 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:17PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote:
 Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export 
 Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a location 
 within an country that falls under their export ban list. Unfortunately the 
 same applies to SourceForge. 
 Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge effectively 
 prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are citizen of a 
 nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies to 
 people only visiting such countries. 

Is there some other easy option here? Hosting your own is fscking
painful, OSGeo doesn't offer hosting for small projects like this, and I
expect anyone else who is big enough to make solving this problem easy
likely isn't in a position to be much more open/unrestricted, because
they're governed by the same laws.

It seems to me like an option is just to make the code available on
google code, and also republish it in another easily-googled place.
Then, if it becomes an issue that is blocking contributors, put the
effort into doing something about it -- setting up an SVN mirror, or
something similar, to allow those users to contribute.

In general, OpenLayers has not seen major contributions from
technology export-embargoed countries. (Our server doesn't have
technical restrictions blocking export to these countries.) Although it
is a concern -- and certainly, it's unfortunate because it is a vicious
cycle where contributors are typically blocked, so they don't even
bother kind of thing -- I think that the relative importance of this
to, say,  a website being down an hour a week or something like that is
relatively low (and if you're maintaining it yourself, you'll always
have downtime when things break).

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
Web Developer
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Gavin Fleming]

As the Hitchhikers' Guide states, Don't Panic!
 
Some clarification of the process is in order, please bear with us...
 
1) Register on the conference website. i.e. choose a conference package. Then 
hang back for a bit. 
2) The conference organisers, PeopleSA, are notified and they send you a form.
3) You fill in the form and send it back. It specifies your choices for 
accommodation, gala dinner, etc. that could not be captured on the conference 
website.
4) PeopleSA then send you an invoice for registration, accommodation (if you 
choose from their offerings), gala dinner, etc. with a reference code.
5) You then proceed to pay. If by credit card, then here, where you will be 
asked for the reference code on your invoice: 
http://www.psaevents.co.za/Events/Foss4g/registration.aspx. 
 
Early birds: You are being asked to send your forms back urgently so you can 
get an invoice in short order. The hurry now is to secure accommodation as part 
of the conference block booking. The hold on that is released this week. There 
is nothing we can do about that. Cape Town is really bustling that time of year 
and hotels won't keep blocks on hold any longer. There is every likelihood that 
rooms at those hotels will still be available after the hold is lifted and they 
WILL be at the conference rate. So, try to fill in your form and pay this week 
as requested. But if you don't manage, you'll most likely still get your hotel 
and if you pay within a month of invoice, you'll STILL GET YOUR EARLY BIRD 
REGISTRATION RATE.
 
Hope that helps
 
Gavin Fleming 
FOSS4G2008 conference chair
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler
Sent: Tue 2008/06/24 05:06 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g



Hi Andrea,
I had the same thing :-) Had to fill out the form while I also 
registered online. I guess the form is the formal sealing of the deal 
although I was also confused a bit. You still need to register for 
other workshops you want to attend and for the gala dinner.
Ciao,
Jeroen

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote:

 Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
 registering at Foss4g.

 I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
 should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
 full discount?).
 Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No great, you
 subscribed or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
 the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
 send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
 Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
 understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
 reviewers, but got no answer.

 Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this 
 problem.
 So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback 
 please?

 Thanks,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2008 Early Bird Registration Ends TODAY (20 June) + more news

[Gavin Fleming]

2008 Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) Conference 
incorporating GISSA 2008, September 29 - October 3, Cape Town, South Africa

Register here TODAY for early-bird rates: 
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/schedConf/registration

Book TODAY to get the early bird rates: Conference registration before the 
deadline is just R2900 (ZAR) (~$372 USD); after June 20, registration is R3900 
(~$500 USD).  This covers the core 3.5 day conference, featuring academic, 
presentation and poster tracks, live demo theatre, plenaries, exhibition hall, 
wall-to-wall hands-on mini-workshops ('labs') and more! A fantastic Gala dinner 
at Moyo in Stellenbosch is an extra item that will be worth every cent. The 
early bird really does get the worm!

ACCOMMODATION
To secure our special conference accommodation packages you need to complete 
you registration and pay by 24 June. 

PRESENTATIONS AND PAPERS
We have been overwhelmed with quality submissions in our academic and 
presentation tracks. You will be able to choose from among 60 academic papers 
and 140 presentations, that will run in parallel with the labs.  For a taste of 
the content to expect and to get your mouth watering, use the 'Browse' tools on 
the right panel of the conference website: www.foss4g2008.org. Note: At this 
stage we are still accepting and confirming papers so NOT ALL will be visible 
yet. 

HANDS-ON WORKSHOPS AND LABS

For R4900 (ZAR) (~$628 USD) if you register before 20 June, you get a full five 
days featuring all of the above PLUS the extremely popular FOSS4G hands-on 
workshops. We have added some interesting technical visits too this year. So 
register now and as soon as the items listed below have been confirmed on the 
programme we will let you know so you can make your choices, first come-first 
served. If you wait till after June 20, full registration goes up to R5900 
(ZAR) (~$756 USD).

Get a feel for the workshops and labs here: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Workshops_and_Labs. We will let you know 
when you can choose your workshops, if you register for a 'conference + 
workshops' package. 

POSTERS

Submission deadline for posters is 30 June. See 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Call_for_papers#Call_for_Posters for 
details.

EXHIBITOR AND SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES (NB: Bronze sponsorships now available)

Early bird rates apply to exhibitors too! If you are planning to exhibit, 
reserve your stand BEFORE 30 JUNE for big savings! For information on exhibitor 
and sponsorship opportunities, see http://tinyurl.com/555ade or contact Gavin 
Fleming, Conference Chair via email: gavinf at mintek dot co.za.

We hope to see you in Cape Town, South Africa in September, in just over three 
months!

For up-to-date information, registration and program details, please visit the 
conference website: http://www.foss4g2008.org/ 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] South African safety situation

[Gavin Fleming]

Hi all and thanks for bringing it up Paolo

Yes we are sadly going through a spate of unrest and criminal violence in 
poverty-stricken neighbourhoods in South Africa, mainly against foreigners from 
other parts of Africa. 'xenophobic attacks' as they are labelled. Believe me, 
we have to and will get things right - while FOSS4G is a small community, the 
whole world is gearing up for the 2010 World Cup in SA. 

It has not affected tourists and visitors although some are obviously scared to 
come at the moment, and it is abating. Of course this situation and the 
complexities giving rise to it are experienced in other countries, developed 
and developing, and are not unique to South Africa. Many of the conference 
topics indeed attempt to address the root causes of situations like this. 

South Africa recently overtook Brazil as the country with the highest Gini 
coefficient, which is nothing to be proud of. This disparity in wealth 
distribution despite high levels of so-called economic 'growth' is one of the 
root causes of dissatisfaction leading to the current situation here.  We also 
have by some estimates between 5 and 10 million immigrants, labourers and 
refugees, mainly from Zimbabwe recently but really from all over Africa on top 
of a local population of about 45 million.  These things coupled with our 
apartheid history and recent transformation are what make South Africa a 
fascinating destination and subject of research for people from all over the 
world. So we hope people will come for some of these reasons and to have a say 
in solving some of these challenges. 

As it affects potential FOSS4G 2008 delegates, I suggest be aware of the 
situation but don't let it put you off. Our tourism numbers are increasing at 
about 9% per year and last year was another record in terms of numbers of 
overseas visitors. South Africa is a top international big conference venue. 
Cape Town is a tourist mecca rivalling Paris, Sydney, Vancouver etc. The City 
of Cape Town, the conference centre and environs are safe. Whatever appeals to 
you as a tourist, travelling far and wide in South Africa and even neighbouring 
countries, be it our fantastic wildlife and scenery, backpacking, local 
culture, immersing yourself in township life, shark-cage diving, 
whale-watching, whatever, you are bound to have a great conference and 
memorable travels in South Africa.

Gavin 
FOSS4G 2008 conference chair
 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini
Sent: 30 May 2008 09:27 AM
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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] South African safety situation

Hi all.
I'm informed, both from the newspapers and from South African friends, 
that there are serious concerns about safety in South Africa. Of course 
this will not affect FOSS4G directly, but I'm sure many of us are 
planning to have some holidays before or after the conference, so not 
being able to tour around freely will detract much from the appeal of 
the conference. This could result in less participation, thus in turn in 
lower general interest.
Any news or indications from local organizers? I think this is a problem 
that should be dealt with, for the best success of the meeting.
All the best.
pc
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] South African safety situation

[Gavin Fleming]

Hi Paolo M, you're writing from Brazil, right?
 
Just to add a byline to my previous post: As usual the media is presenting the 
sensational side of things. For a more positive view of SA see 
http://www.sagoodnews.co.za/
 
Gavin 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Paulo Marcondes
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To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] South African safety situation


2008/5/30 Lucena, Ivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Gavin,

My South Africans friends here in the US and I are deeply concern about 
that situation too. I just wanted to add that thanks to economic growth and 
social reforms, Brazil is now a moving target on what concern wealth 
concentration index. Brazilian business, factories and agriculture are 
investing now in Africa. I hope that Word Cup, tourism, conferences and other 
business could bring more opportunities to South African of all ethnicity and 
that will result in peace and prosperity.



Gavin and Ivan,

The last 14 years have been extremely profitable for banks and financial 
investors. So, I an quite pessimist regarding wealth distribution.
Also, there are some concerns regarding the political climate here. Many seem 
it as getting more and more unfriendly to private property and civil liberties.

For instance, what you call realID is a reality here since unremembered times, 
and that is also a police issued document. No one seems to give a rat's ass 
about that.

talk about police state... we are far more down that road than the US, or even 
the UK, AFAIK.
The only thing we don't have so far is a no-fly list.

the cup is half empty,
-- 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2008 Call for paper and workshops extended!

[Gavin Fleming]

Free and Open Source Geospatial 2008, Cape Town, South Africa. September
29 - Oct 3 2008, incorporating GISSA 2008. 

 

SUBMISSION DEADLINE EXTENSION! 23 May

 

Due to demand, the Where 2.0 conference starting on our previous
deadline and a website glitch with the original cut-off date, we are
pleased to announce the EXTENSION of the deadline for Paper,
Presentation and Poster abstracts AND the deadline for Workshop
proposals to the *** 23 MAY ***. Go to http://www.foss4g2008.org
http://www.foss4g2008.org/  and click on 'Call for Papers'.

 

You can also view the Call for Papers at:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Call_for_papers 

and the Call for Workshop proposals at:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Call_for_workshops 

 

Thanks to those of you who have submitted so far. As of 14 May we
already have an exciting selection of Workshops and Labs (32), Academic
Papers (50), Presentations (85) and Posters (10). The previous
Announcement
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/announcement/view/6
gave you a taste of the Workshops. As far as papers and presentations
go, a small sampling gives us 'An Integrated Water Resource Decision
Support System built from OSS tools', 'Characterisation of tsunami
affected areas using remote sensing and GIS', 'Modus Operandi of a FOSS
GIS project in India', 'Challenges in GIS education and training',
'Using Python and wxWidgets to build custom GIS applications', 'Using
KML and Google Earth to interact with SA water resource data', 'Easing
Transition to Open Source Geo-Spatial Data Manipulation in GML', 'A Free
GIS Book', 'Open-source based market information systems - one option
for Developing Nations',' A year of full-speed FOSS- winning the hearts,
minds, and business case', 'Senegalese land register modernization
through OpenSource software', 'BeeGis: digital field mapping that just
works',' The use of FOSS GIS in Integrated GIS in Local Government in
South Africa',' GIS in the Geography Curriculum: Teacher Training'.'
Topology support in FOSS4G solutions', 'TerraLib as an Open Source
Platform for Public Health Applications',' Google Earth Powered by
MapGuide Open Source',' GDAL/OGR Project Status Report' and this list
goes on.

 

Remember: Early-bird registration now closes on 20th June and hotel
specials will be released soon after, so register soon!

 

Submit your abstract or proposal soon. Come and have a bash in Cape
Town.

 

Gavin Fleming 

FOSS4G 2008 Conference Chair

www.foss4g2008.org 

 

PS: Please distribute this notice widely, blog about FOSS4G 2008, add a
banner to your website, add FOSS4G2008 to your website calendar...

 

 

 

 

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Comparison between Proprietary and OS

[Gavin Fleming]

So, who's going to condense this and related threads into a presentation at 
FOSS4G2008? 

It's the sort of input a lot of people are interested in. 

Gavin 
 

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Comparison between Proprietary and OS

Andre Grobler wrote:

 ...

 So the hurdles for me to OS were acceptance specifically for the following
 reasons:
 Free and easy access and training of ESRI at varsity. Autocad did the same
 and look where that got them.
 Linux, just mentioning command lines has me a little nervous. (I know this
 is changing, but the field calculator is enough programming for me, thanks)

 ...

 So in short I am doing what somebody already suggested, get ESRI for day to
 day soft landing and learn OS GRASS and OSSIM meanwhile for real work;-)
 Hopefully in a while I'll wonder what the fuss was about... and possibly
 contribute, if only to the dummies FAQ section.

 André Grobler

   
Andre:
I had the privilege recently to give a short beginners course in GIS to 
a small group of undergrads in environmental science.  Before the 
semester started I had decided to give the course based on FOSS tools. I 
first sat down with the network technician, who told me that they have 
ArcGIS 9, network licence, but he don't know where the disks were, and 
was concerned about space on the server, network traffic, bogging down 
their Terminal Server etc, etc. So I (rubbing my hands together) told 
him, no problem, we're going with Open Source Software.  Turned out some 
of the students had MACs and one was using Ubuntu, so the choice to go 
with OSS tools was a no brainer.
To my surprise, by the forth lesson we had gotten to watershed analysis, 
and students were running the GRASS modules (within QGIS). Admittedly we 
leapfrogged over some stuff, but still I doubt I could have reached that 
level with Arc* tools in such a short time span.
The comfort zone problem is well know and likely the most difficult 
hurdle to overcome when trying to migrate to OSS tools. But to some 
extent it's nothing more than a matter of perception. Proprietary 
software vendors have surrounded us with distorting mirrors.  Once you 
step away, things look quite different.
 
Regards,
Micha
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

[Gavin Fleming]

More use-case driven development and improved GUIs, user experience and map 
production fall under specific topics at FOSS4G 2008 so this discussion is 
quite apt and I hope to see its fruit or at least some well-defined plans 
presented and discussed in Cape Town in September. As we know these are some of 
the remaining gaps that need filling to convince the hesitant masses to go open 
source. 
 
Gavin Fleming MSc, Pr. GISc Technologist
Senior GISc and Sustainable Development Researcher 
FOSS4G2008 conference chair
Mintek, 200 Malibongwe Drive (formerly Hans Strijdom Drive)
P/Bag X3015, Randburg, 2125, South Africa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
Sent: Mon 2008/04/07 06:36 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library




On 7-Apr-08, at 1:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
 I would like to launch the idea of an OSGeo Cartographic Library to
 share concepts, source code and regression tests:

Thanks Markus - you beat me to it! :)

Having grown up learning ArcPlot, I long for the ability to compose 
maps and output them in a high-quality plotter-ready format.  Also, I 
miss the ability to script the creation of maps which is needed in 
many industrial or highly-productive mapping environments (e.g. GUI-
based map design tools are the bane of productivity in many offices 
I've been in).

I'll add my notes to the wiki and start to use the discussion page too.

Tyler
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about gis education in western country?

[Gavin Fleming]

There are a few universities in South Africa that I know of that offer
dedicated GIS courses and degrees from undergraduate through to
postgraduate:

 

Stellenbosch: www.sun.ac.za http://www.sun.ac.za/  and
http://academic.sun.ac.za/geology/undergraduate/geography_e.htm 

 

Pretoria: www.up.ac.za http://www.up.ac.za/  and
http://www.up.ac.za/academic/gis/upgis.htm 

 

Cape Town: Click on Degree Programmes at http://www.geomatics.uct.ac.za/


 

The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg (Wits):
http://web.wits.ac.za/Academic/Science/Geography/ 

 

Port Elizabeth and Pretoria offer the international UNIGIS distance
learning degree courses: 

Pretoria [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Port Elizabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

Gavin Fleming MSc, Pr. GISc Technologist

Senior GISc and Sustainable Development Researcher 

FOSS4G2008 http://www.foss4g2008.org/  conference chair

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about gis education in western country?

 

Hi all,

I want to know the situation about gis education in wester
country.Which college has setup gis as a specialty?

 



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[OSGeo-Discuss] packaging FOSS GIS for Ubuntu in education

[Gavin Fleming]

While Venka is on the topic of packaging FOSS GIS for Ubuntu, I'd like
to put a niche request / challenge to the community.

High schools in South Africa and elsewhere need a FOSS alternative to
use and teach GIS, which is a compulsory part of the syllabus from this
year. FOSS GIS at present is too inaccessible. My challenge is to have a
packaged CD for Ubuntu to launch at FOSS4G2008 in Cape Town. This CD (or
DVD) would have:

-one-click installation for Linux, Windows or Mac.
-Integrated software stack so teachers and learners have to launch a
minimal number of applications
-Simplified and customised GUIs to lower the entry threshold.
-for teachers to teach curriculum requirements of GIS
-for teachers to use GIS to teach geography and other subjects
-for learners to use for hands-on work
-Free, integrated global and local data package
-excellent documentation
-framework for local contributors to structure and contribute exercises,
lessons, etc. 
-central website for resources 
-possible advanced options for network deployment, more sophisticated
users, 'computer studies' learners (i.e. developers), school web map
services, etc.

Any takers? 


Gavin


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Sent: 26 October 2007 05:19 AM
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Cc: Sarawut Ninsawat
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Matt Perry's post on Ubuntu/GIS has
gaineda lot of attention

Hi Hendra,

We are starting to look into packaging
OSGeo software stack for Ubuntu using
the AptonCD packaging tool (http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/).

We are in the process of learning to package
software for Unbuntu.

If any others are interested in working on this,
we would be glad to join.

Kind regards

Venka

..
 Oops, looks like I've forgotten the urls =]

 Spatially Adjusted (James Fee):


http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/10/22/create-gis-workstation-using
-ubuntu-and-open-source-gis-software

 Matt Perry: http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=10

 And: BR-Linux =]


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cao-geografica-com-o-ubuntu
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal Software Translation Portal

[Gavin Fleming]

I wonder if an organisation like www.translate.org.za would want to get
involved, say by:
- offering their facilities for FOSS GIS translations
- helping out with FOSS GIS translations through OSGeo channels
- extending their model beyond South African languages
?


Gavin


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Sent: 21 September 2007 08:05 AM
To: OSGeo-discuss
Cc: GRASS translations
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal Software Translation Portal

Hi,

as you may know, some of the OSGeo software projects
come with translated messages. E.g. GRASS has been
translated (partially) into more than 10 languages.
We (GRASS) have a dedicated mailing list for this and
a translation manager who takes care of synchronization,
update and message standardization.

So far - so nice. But.

We could gain more translators with a Web based
solution (think rainy day and you just want to translate
10 messages and don't want to mess around with .po
files from CVS and so forth).

Our suggestion is to set up a Web based solution for
all interested OSGeo projects (e.g. using pootle).
To better brainstorm on that, we have made a Wiki page:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Software_Translation_Portal 

Comments welcome,

Markus Neteler
Stefano Costa

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G and conservation

[Gavin Fleming]

Great to hear Wolf

If you and others who are willing and able to do the sort of support and
education you mention can make it to FOSS4G2008 in South Africa, you'd
be welcomed.

We are planning outreach activities which will need volunteers from the
conference. These will be at universities and schools their aims include
exactly what you propose.

Gavin


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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Ned Horning wrote:



 I'd like to hear from anyone but I'm particularly interested in
 hearing from people with connections outside of North America.

I'm definitely interested in helping out. Both as a support person for 
GRASS GIS and helping in preparing education material. I'd also be
willing 
to give actual courses, and lectures about GRASS GIS, and why not other 
products too, but I need to learn a bit more (I'm familiar with
PostGIS).

On the same note I've been thinking about asking the local universities 
who teach GIS mainly by using ESRI products (and frankly they have a bit

of a problem doing it, since they can only have so and so many computers

etc...) if they would be interested in learning how to do it with Open 
Source software. The individual teachers seem to be interested, but I'd
be 
interested in a policy level answer. I think that ans OSGeo provided 
support network would help with this also.

--Wolf

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G and conservation

[Gavin Fleming]

Hi Ned

Refer to my mail to Wolf about 'connections outside North America'. In
our outreach programme at FOSS4G2008, Conservation GIS with FOSS could
be a big thing on the agenda.

There are many members of SCGIS in (South) Africa. In South Africa
alone, conservation planning with C-Plan and Marxan are becoming
institutionalised activities. FOSS GIS backends for tools like these
would be an excellent alternative. 

One route into the OSGeo community in Africa is to join the Africa list
at http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa. 

Gavin


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Sent: 31 August 2007 04:43 PM
To: 'OSGeo Discussions'
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G and conservation

Frank Warmerdam wrote:
 I'd like to see OSGeo support socially relavent organizations in use
of
open source
 software

This is along the lines of what I'm working on so I figure this is a
good
time to chime in to get feedback. I'm involved in a discussion between
the
Society for Conservation GIS (SCGIS) and the Society for Conservation
Biology (SCB) to enhance an international Conservation GIS training
program
sponsored by SCGIS. The SCGIS has a scholarship program that brings
international conservation practitioners to the States to receive ESRI
training, ESRI software, attend the ESRI conference, and sometimes get
free
hardware. It is a great program but it's costly and only meets a
fraction of
the demand.

In principle having an SCB/SCGIS partnership is a good idea but it
shouldn't
be ESRI-centric. I talked about OSGeo and this seemed to raise some
interest
(curiosity?) but I sense skepticism. The (inaccurate) perception that
ESRI
will donate software to any conservation group, largely negating
advantages
of FOSS4G, doesn't help. The SCB has over 10,000 members and I think
this
could be a great opportunity for OSGeo to increase global exposure and
possibly use it to solicit grant money to support training and software
development around the world. 

SCGIS has a small international network of user groups that can be used
to
expand this program and I'm trying to figure out if OSGeo could help
build a
similar or partnered network for open source offerings. The OSGeo
education
committee members are creating course materials that will be leveraged
for
this conservation-focused training. I addition to that we need to
develop a
network of trainers. How much interest is there among the OSGeo
community/user groups to support and provide conservation-focused
geospatial
training? I'd like to hear from anyone but I'm particularly interested
in
hearing from people with connections outside of North America. 

Distance learning methods would help overcome the problem of
distributing
this training globally but there is a strong interest in sponsoring
in-person workshops in addition to on-line offerings. Our group at the
AMNH
is working on addressing both of these needs.

Any feedback is appreciated.

All the best,

Ned 
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American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West @ 79th St
New York, NY 10024
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

[Gavin Fleming]

On Jo's last point re funding travel expenses, this would be a huge
benefit for getting deserving delegates who don't have the means to Cape
Town next year and other conferences in future. Perhaps a merit- and
means- based application process could be applied. 

Gavin


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Sent: 30 August 2007 12:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

dear Howard, thanks for your email which has been along with its
responses very thought-provoking,

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:18:36PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote:
 Howard Butler wrote:
 Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer 
 efforts, not primarily financially-backed ones.  The OSGeo Journal 
 effort, Google Summer of Code administration, the Geodata committee's

 efforts, and even much of our system administration to keep the
lights 
 on for developer tools 

Well, these are quite different kinds of efforts. The Journal has come
together because of Tyler's time invested in it, so it is more or less 
direct financial backing from OSGeo. The SoC programme, look forward 
to hear more about the eventual experiences of, but that came about in
the first place because of direct Google financial support to students.

The Geodata committee's efforts have been more like what you describe
about software projects coming together - a byproduct of a set of
interconnected people each scratching their own itches. But being more
loose collaboration than planned action it is a bit impenetrable to
those outside the immediate loop, i think. And geodata and systems
administration have overlapped quite a bit, as people get shanghaied
into helping with different problems ;) 

But keeping the lights on, and creating new things, are quite
different. One burns out on doing administrative / organising things
and i wish there were a way that could be automated and/or shared. 
The structure we have now with one Committee Chair per committee,
one gets into overcommitment/guilt and superfluous soul-searching.

 benefactor as we do now.  We're almost two years down the road into 
 bootstrapping, and our majority benefactor situation has budged very 
 little.  As far as I know, our only significant incoming sponsorship 
 dollars beyond Autodesk are the targeted development vehicles like 
 those that pay for a permanent maintainer for GDAL.

This definitely seems something the Board should be talking about, the
whole question of what sponsors are visibly getting and what can be
done to get them involved, and at what should we aim.
I have added a few notes to the Agenda section for the next meeting
right before FOSS4G and i would urge anyone to add their concerns so
it can be refined - re-framed? - nearer the time...
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Board_Meeting_FOSS4G2007#Agenda

 There has certainly been a lot of volunteer effort by the organizers
 of the FOSS4G 2007 conference

It is terrific to see so much effort and I am really looking forward
to getting to see it realised, taking lots of pictures, sending press
releases etc. At the same time i am having to beg and borrow to get
to Victoria and I know many, many others from outside North America 
for whom the combination of long flight and cost of living disparity
is just too large a barrier.

Something else i would like to add to the Board's discussion is the
possibility of funding either travel expenses or better, several
smaller conferences distributed around the planet, next year...

cheers,


jo
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

[Gavin Fleming]

An excellent book that tells the FOSS story and explores its value
propositions and business models is 'The Success of Open Source' by
Steven Weber, who writes from the perspective of an 'outsider', a
political scientist.

Gavin

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Sent: 29 August 2007 05:40 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

Very well written Howard. In tribute to your writing, I will promptly
snitch some ideas from your writing below.

I have been tackling this issue of selling open geospatial,
particularly to agencies for whom generally financial cost is a
non-issue. I try to tell them that in most classes open source is
the best-of-class technologies no matter what yardstick you measure it
against. The defining characteristic, of course, is the
mob-intelligence quotient. But how do you measure the quality of
knowledge produced collaboratively? There is no gross salary number
that can be divided by the staff hours. There is no cash-flow, free
money, ROE of the contributors... there is return on investment that
can be measured, but usually only after the investment. SLOCs (source
line of code) is one measure, but in the world which strives to write
as few lines of code to accomplish a task, usually a measure of better
software, fewer SLOC would actually be a better indicator of the
quality.

If someone can condense the qualities of open source to a sound-bite,
that would be great, but I have been unable to do so. I find that
there is a story behind open source, and that story takes time
telling, particularly to those who are not familiar with it. For that,
one needs to cultivate relationships so folks can become willing to
give their time to listen to the story.

I have been shaping my story along the lines of technology, law, and
culture. Open source, unlike other forms of knowledge-production, has
innovated along all of these three axes... novel forms of technologies
created through novel forms of technologies, innovative legal regimes
that are continuously evolving participatively, and a culture, an
ethos, that fundamentally believes that sharing is better than not
sharing.


On 8/29/07, Howard Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Open source software works because people acting in their own self
 interest have the auxiliary benefit of helping everyone in the
 project.  Report your pet bug, file a patch, add a new feature -- all
 of these things immediately help you, but ultimately help the
 project.  This activity also imparts tangential benefits that are
 very hard to quantify but can be clearly important like personal
 visibility, credibility, and status.

 For an open source software project to be viable as a development
 entity, it must be able to bestow these benefits to its individual
 contributors.  Everyone's reasons may be different, but people must
 be able to receive a return on their sweat equity that they put in or
 volunteer effort will not continue to flow into a project.  I think
 that recognition and facilitation of this symbiosis is a blind spot
 for OSGeo. We should be striving to ensure that it can take place
 because we are a volunteer organization whose members have common
goals.

 Wait a second?  Isn't OSGeo an Autodesk thing with lots of money?
 How is it a volunteer organization?

 Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer
 efforts, not primarily financially-backed ones.  The OSGeo Journal
 effort, Google Summer of Code administration, the Geodata committee's
 efforts, and even much of our system administration to keep the
 lights on for developer tools like Subversion/Trac have been
 volunteer enterprises (please help flesh out this list, these are
 only those I am most aware of, I know there have been many others).
 However, I think financial resources, both in the capacity to
 generate sponsorship money and the ability to spend it wisely, are
 what provides the opportunity to set OSGeo apart and provide the
 volunteerism leverage.

 When Autodesk came in and helped bootstrap OSGeo, it was fairly clear
 that our financial existence would not be an indefinite expenditure
 -- we would have to exist on our own.  Additionally, to meet 503c3
 requirements, we cannot have a situation where we have a majority
 benefactor as we do now.  We're almost two years down the road into
 bootstrapping, and our majority benefactor situation has budged very
 little.  As far as I know, our only significant incoming sponsorship
 dollars beyond Autodesk are the targeted development vehicles like
 those that pay for a permanent maintainer for GDAL.

 Another aspect is the sweat equity that has been poured into OSGeo
 over the past year and a half.  Committee members, board members, and
 of course, especially Frank Warmerdam have been spending a lot of
 time bootstrapping.  The opportunity cost of this effort has not been
 insignificant.  I think it is time we take a step back 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

[Gavin Fleming]

And another, different UbuntuGIS project!

http://gforge2.uwc.ac.za/projects/ubuntugis/ 

Gavin


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gao_Ang
Sent: 19 July 2007 08:48 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

broad sky:

I suggest you have a glimpse on 
Ubuntu GIS ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS ) and 
Debian GIS project ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis )　
The above projects have an unofficial repository of Open Source GIS related 
packages with up-to-date stable versions.
And these distributions will make full use of GIS applications for users as 
well as provide GIS repository for us.

All the best.

 2007-07-19 09:46:12 you wrote： 

Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications are used 
around the world.I want to know how many open source gis softwares have been 
developed around the world and information about these softwares such as 
supported OS ,develope language etc.

Broad Sky


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo education outreach at FOSS4G2007

[Gavin Fleming]

We're putting in a bid to host FOSS4G2008 in South Africa and
educational outreach is a major component of our programme.

Gavin
GISSA Open Source SIG

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Sent: 18 July 2007 04:31 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo education outreach at FOSS4G2007

Has there been any discussion, by the OSGeo
Education Committee or elsewhere, about doing
any education outreach in conjunction with
the FOSS4G2007 conference in Victoria?

In particular, I had the idea that on Friday
September 28, 2007, there may be the possibility
for people who attended the conference to do some
outreach.

Looking at the minutes of the last Education Committee
meeting, I see mention of post-secondary education, but
I wonder if there exists the possibility of educational
opportunities for Victoria K-12 schools(OK, maybe K
is a bit young, but you get my point :-)

-- 
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