Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

[Puneet Kishor]

Well, I am a part of the community, and I don't agree, not with this point of 
view and not with how similar conversations keep recurring. This is not the 
OSGeo that I recognize anymore, for this one seems more concerned with how it 
is perceived than what it does.

I'm outta here …

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> On Jul 3, 2017, at 3:59 AM, Massimiliano Cannata 
> <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
> 
> given that the board and the community agree with my point of view :-)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest

[Puneet Kishor]

As a (nominal) Charter Member, I personally couldn't care about this issue. As 
long as everyone involved is for the same higher purpose, who is sponsoring who 
or supporting what is just details. Move on and focus on the bigger tasks.

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Brad Hards  wrote:
> 
> Professor Cannata,
> 
>> Your answer clarifies that OSGeo has not paid for being listed as sponsor.
>> 
>> This doesn't change my idea that OSGeo shouldn't be listed as a sponsor an
>> thus
>> 
>> I renew my request to the board for removing OSGeo from that list and from
>> any material listing OSGeo together (at the same level and/or same list of
>> sponsors).
>> 
>> That's because the marketing message it brings is clearly undesired and not
>> respectful of the true.
> 
> I'm not a charter member or associated with the FOSS4G organisers, but having 
> attended a FOSS4G event and having been part of a volunteer conference 
> organisation, I respectfully ask that you reconsider. This is a very late 
> change to a lot of conference materials, and at a particularly bad time for 
> the organisers.
> 
> In software terms, I'm not suggesting that your proposal isn't a valid 
> change, 
> just that it is too late in the release cycle.
> 
> If nothing else, consider the environmental impact of all that stuff being 
> junked.
> 
> Brad
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] developing a slippy maps app while offline

[Puneet Kishor]

Hi David,

Yes, all good. I am working with nodejs and am just pointing leafletjs layer to 
a single tile that I downloaded earlier. It all works and I can code the rest 
of the app.

Thanks.

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Fawcett, David (MNIT) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Puneet, 
> 
> You could definitely build a map app 'offline'. I assume that you are 
> developing with a locally installed web server.  Just create a map that 
> displays features stored in a local json file. (or, if you really don't want 
> to see anything on the map, just don't include any layers in your map...)
> 
> David.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of P Kishor
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 4:23 AM
> To: OSGeo-discuss 
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] developing a slippy maps app while offline
> 
> I will be offline (for mapping purposes) for a few weeks, but would like to 
> continue working on my projects. Is there a way I can develop a leafletjs app 
> while offline? I don’t want to create an offline map storage as I really 
> don’t want to look at the maps. I just want leafletjs to not throw any errors 
> while I code other (non-map) parts of the app.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
>  wrote:
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai


Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Notice] Email List Maintenance

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Alex M  wrote:
> 
> All of OSGeo email lists and aliases, will be migrated
> to the new "osgeo6"



Was kinda expecting the new machine to be called the FOSS4G6 machine… phew !
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

A resounding YES !!!


> On Oct 6, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Barry Rowlingson  
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
> 
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> 
> Cons:
> 
> 1. FOSS4G is an established brand
> 
> 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
> 
> Counters to those:
> 
> 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
> 
> 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
> 
> Pros:
> 
> 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
> 
> 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
> 
> 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
> 
> 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
> 
> 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
> 
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
> 
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
> 
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
> 
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.



Reminds me how I used to do GIS on my IBM then go home and watch CBS on my VCR. 
Thankfully, those days are over.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board election: no re-elections this year?

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> On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden <gert-...@osgeo.nl> 
> wrote:
> 
> - Is the board membership such a demanding job that members always resign 
> after 2 years?



I didn’t realize there was no term-limit. In fact, I believe there *should* be 
one to get new ideas, new representation, and simply new energy. Two years is 
not a bad term.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

[Puneet Kishor]

Give the guy his project back and be done with it. That way all of us can go 
along our separate ways unfettered by each other.

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Peter Baumann <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de> 
> wrote:
> 
> just to clarify: it is a _very_ simple step: OSGeo needs to login to OpenHub
> (obviously they have one, otherwise this false claim could not have been
> established) to undo that claim. That simple.
> 
> So, when will OSGeo do that?
> 
> -Peter
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 103, Issue 20

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

Hello all, hi Jonathan,

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan Moules j.mou...@hrwallingford.com 
 wrote:
 
 These systems may fail from a GIS perspective, but that's because their 
 primary design goal is ease-of-use by the general public.



Ease-of-use from the POV of the general public varies from culture to culture, 
context to context, time to time. Thinking that we can create a universal code 
that everyone in the world will glom on to is just fanciful and really a waste 
of time. If it had been needed badly, it would have created. Those who 
understand or can use lat/lon, already do so, or just punch it in a device. 
Those who understand “200 feet from the wooden bridge to the right of the 
banyan tree” use that  and are happy with it.

And that mapcode site that someone mentioned is being considered as an ISO 
standard; first, mapcode is being filed by mapcode folks to become an ISO 
standard. That is not the same as “it is being considered as a standard.” 
Besides, what a confused jumble of instructions regarding its licensing:

It was decided to donate the mapcode system to the public domain in 2008.
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutmc.html 

The Stichting Mapcode Foundation is a non-profit foundation, established in 
The Netherlands (Chamber of Commerce RSIN registration number 852726284), which 
holds all the patents, rights, brands, designs, properties, collateral, 
algorithms, data tables and IP related to map codes.” (which part of Public 
Domain do they not understand?)
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutus.html

The Mapcode Foundation is the only authorized entity that is allowed to 
maintain, change or adapt its software or tables.” (Oh, good! I should trust 
them to do the right thing forever)
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutus.html

The mapcode algorithms and data tables may not be altered in any way that 
would result in the production of different (and thus incompatible) mapcodes. 
The mapcode algorithms and data tables may not be used in any way to generate a 
different system that produces codes to represent locations. In order to 
prevent misuse, unauthorised alterations, copying or commercial exploitation, 
please note that the ideas and algorithms behind the mapcode system have been 
patented and that the term mapcode is a registered trademark of the Stichting 
Mapcode Foundation.” (so, this system meant for global use cannot be used for 
commercial purposes; which part of the world can subsist on love and free air?)
http://www.mapcode.com/downloads.html#devsec

There are a bunch of interesting problems to be solved in the geo realm. In my 
view, a globally usable location system is not one of them. But hey, its a free 
world and there are many wheels to reinvent.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Howard Butler how...@hobu.co wrote:
 
 Do you lose a significant benefit by not being a Charter Member? Just the 
 ability to vote for the board and the ability to tout your exclusivity on a 
 vita/resume. Anything else? Lack of membership does not prevent anyone from 
 participating now, and we wouldn't want it to (unlike many other professional 
 organizations).

I don't lose anything significant, which implies that everything significant I 
gain from OSGeo's community is unaffected by my membership. This is one of the 
reasons I don't attend foss4g anymore (actually, mainly because I can't afford 
to do so). I will still support all the community ideals and aspirations to the 
fullest possible.

In short, I consider this both my vote for membership dues and the concurrent 
renunciation of my membership as a result.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OsGeo representative in the Boulder, CO area... GeoScience IT/CS/FOSS Assembly Workshop

[Puneet Kishor]

And, fwiw, I am an OSGeo Charter Member as well, so I can speak up whenever 
Rafael wants to take a break ;-)


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On Feb 28, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Hi Stephen,
 
 Many thanks for bringing this to our attention and it is very important that 
 OSGeo is represented for this workshop. I think Dr Rafael Moreno (University 
 of Colorado Denver) will be attending this. He is also Advisory Board member 
 http://www.geoforall.org/advisory_board/   of Geo for All Initiative. 
 
 I am sure he will strongly present OSGeo for the meeting. If there are other 
 OSGeo members also able to attend, the better. We need to have strong 
 presence in these meetings.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Suchith
 
 From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Richard [steve.rich...@azgs.az.gov]
 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Cc: Anna Katz
 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] OsGeo representative in the Boulder, CO area...  
 GeoScience IT/CS/FOSS Assembly Workshop
 
 Colleagues—
 
 Its short notice, but I noticed that there's no rep from OsGeo invited to 
 this workshop (http://earthcube.org/page/workshops, see 'IT/CS/FOSS Assembly 
 Workshop' heading). I'm very interested in more awareness of OsGeo software 
 in the academic community, especially so that the community starts building 
 on existing projects more often. After all geoscience is geospatial…
 
 If there are any knowledgeable OsGeo evangelists in the Boulder area who 
 might be able to attend, it would be useful for both the NSF community and 
 OsGeo...
 
 Some info about the workshop-
 The goal of this workshop is to facilitate communication, collaboration, and 
 coordination for communities to interact with each other to achieve 
 individual goals, and how your goals might align with the goals of EarthCube, 
 … a National Science Foundation initiative for the development of a 
 community-driven cyberinfrastructure framework to understand and predict 
 responses of the Earth as a system…
 March 5-7, 2014 at the Millennium Harvest House in  Boulder, Colorado.. … 
 meeting times are 8:30am to 5:00pm Wednesday and Thursday, and 8:30am to noon 
 on Friday.
 
 If you have any questions regarding the workshop, contact 
 steve.rich...@azgs.az.gov, or one of project coordinators, 
 anna.k...@azgs.az.gov or rachael.bl...@azgs.az.gov.
 
 
 Stephen M Richard
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] About Interactive Map patent application by Apple Inc.

[Puneet Kishor]

It was tl;dr, but the quick scan I did seems to have two things that I haven't 
seen yet --

1. multi-touch: touch two points on a map and the best route is displayed 
immediately;

2. dim everything else thereby highlighting only what one wants to look at.

There may be other new things in that long application.

Interestingly #2 above reminds me of line graphs that Manish Agarwala from 
Berkeley had invented a long time ago that MapBlast incorporated in its routing 
algorithms. Then MapBlast was bought out by MS maps outfit (I think it was 
called MSN) and the feature existed for a while; and then that morphed into 
Bing and it even existed in Bing Labs for a while and then seems to have 
vanished. I used to love that line drawing feature. You could ask for a route 
as a line drawing, and it would only highlight the most important thing, the 
route, along with associated land marks, and dim everything else.


On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Simon (SPDBA) Greener 
si...@spatialdbadvisor.com wrote:

 While I am not sure of the features in osgeo software to which Venkatesh 
 refers, most of what appears in the patent application are natural 
 improvements to existing map functionality that is common to any mapping 
 software. I can't see Google letting this through without a fight. I agree 
 with Venkatesh that an objection be lodged.
 Simon Greener
 
 On 21 Dec 2013 17:05, Venkatesh Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp 
 wrote:
 
 Dear All, 
 
 I think the OSGeo should express strong objection to the Interactive Map 
 patent filed by Apple on 17 Dec 2012 [1]. The contents of the patent [1] 
 describe features that OSGeo software already provides for over a decade. 
 
 Best 
 
 Venka 
 
 [1] 
 http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFu=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htmlr=2p=1f=Gl=50d=PG01S1=%28715%2F771.CCLS.+AND+20131219.PD.%29OS=ccl/715/771+and+pd/12/19/2013RS=%28CCL/715/771+AND+PD/20131219%29
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WAP SMS in GIS

[Puneet Kishor]

On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:23 AM, Ravi Kumar ravivundavall...@yahoo.com wrote:

 As part of a small Indian city GIS wish to integrate SMS (phhone) messaging 
 for registering 
 complaints, using say
 Ward number -- (ward is an administrative unit) indicating the polygon of 
 interest
 Street name -- to further localise the complaint to the intersection of the 
 street with its ward
 and so on..
 If any body can share such designs already used it will be of a great help.


Short answer1 -- this is not easy.

Short answer2 -- look at Open 311

Medium long answer -- I hand-coded a system a couple of years back which 
required fiddling with the incoming messages, parsing the loc, then doing a 
point-in-poly analysis to determine where and who was responsible.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Maps and the Geospatial Revolution from Jul 17th 2013 at Coursera

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

Snipped a bunch of the email below for brevity --

On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk 
wrote:

 ..
 It will be very helpful, if you can share your ideas and experiences to OSGeo 
 Edu community so we can think of ideas for MOOC program entirely using OSGeo 
 Software for the future.
 
 ..
 
 On 30/06/13 03:20, ANTHONY C ROBINSON wrote:
 Hi Cameron,
 
 ..
 
 I'm aware of some OS community angst about my selection of AGOL for doing 
 most of the labs in the course. 
 
 ..


Seems like I missed the start of this discussion, but am really glad to pitch 
in now. A geospatial MOOC completely based on both open software as well as 
open data would make for a perfect trifecta of completely open educational 
materials. Kudos.

At Creative Commons we have particular interest in MOOCs, not only for the 
potential they hold for open and inclusive education, but also for potentially 
revolutionizing education itself. That potential is currently limited by the 
restrictive licensing many of the MOOCs adopt. A completely open MOOC licensed 
under a CC BY or a CC BY-SA license would not only fulfill its educational 
mission, it would also allow others to take the educational material and remix 
and repurpose it further.

Please keep the above points in mind when having a conversation about MOOCs. I 
would be happy to assist where appropriate.

Many thanks,


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Evolving FOSS4G [was: FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham Update ]

[Puneet Kishor]

On May 10, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a consequence, the conference was more professional and was was probably 
 more effective at presenting each project that gave a talk but it lost a lot 
 as well, it had less community feel, was less whacky, favoured the commercial 
 over the free-time projects, was more exclusive.


Coincidentally, going through my closet yesterday, I discovered my MUM t-shirt 
from St. Paul, and the rebranded t-shirt from Ottawa. Will never forget that 
community. Never attended another MapServer/OSGeo/FOSS4G conf. after that.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Buenos Aires 2013

[Puneet Kishor]

On Apr 27, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Adrian Custer acus...@gmail.com wrote:

 FOSS4G BA 2013 rocked! So much, we are all, totally, beat.

But not beaten, hopefully ;-) Sounds like a great event. Congratulations.

I am writing to let you know that Creative Commons' next Global Summit will be 
in August in Buenos Aires. See

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/37014

I would love to see some mapping presentations esp. if the products used or 
produced utilize CC licenses or public domain dedication. The call for 
presentations is at

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/37684

Hope to see some FOSS4G and CC synergy in action, and hopefully meet a few of 
you in person.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham update

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 social trips (caves anyone?
 http://bldgblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/caves-of-nottingham_11.html),


Even though Kimbereley is no more, how 'bout ye olde trip to jerusalem?

http://www.triptojerusalem.com/



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G presentation review process

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 * some names are big draws, and it would be disappointing to not have
 someone because their abstract wasn't that exciting.


If they don't have anything interesting to say, they should not be big draws.

Selection should be on the character of content rather than the size of the 
badge.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)

[Puneet Kishor]

With Howard.



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On Sep 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote:

 
 On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been
 publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I
 followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris.
 
 But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name
 somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working
 members of our community surely doesn't hurt.
 
 I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of 
 private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it 
 hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the 
 lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in 
 the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or 
 two.
 
 Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms:
 
 - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would 
 in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people 
 are embarrassed by public fawning.
 
 - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the 
 list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept 
 their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to 
 recognition. 
 
 - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating.
 
 - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public 
 nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are 
 plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a 
 nomination process.
 
 The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act 
 makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source 
 GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way.
 
 Howard
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] CORRECTION -- Re: Board Elections 2012

[Puneet Kishor]

I support your two cents whole-heartedly. This is not changing the rules. 
Cameron should be put back on the ballot as he was nominated correctly and 
within the nomination dates.

On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote:

 This is very different from changing rules. Cameron's nomination was sent and 
 received in time on the public list and following the rules, but a mistake 
 was made by the CRO and quickly spotted and corrected in the wiki page within 
 an hour of the vote being launched.
 
 My 0.02$ is that it's not changing rules, it's fixing a human mistake.
 
 Daniel
 
 
 On 12-08-03 8:42 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
 On 2012/08/03 21:25, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 Cameron Shorter's name was inadvertently omitted from the nomination
 page.
 Such omissions cannot be reported now after the election process have
 started.
 On one had the board says that election rules cannot be changed after the
 election process has started and on the other hand request acceptance
 of some inadvertent omissions.
 
 I strongly feel that we go ahead with the election with the candidates
 listed in
 the present nominee list.
 
 I will be happy if Cameron Shorter's nomination is brought up in the
 next board
 election.
 
 Venka
 
 
 Arnulf and I are both(!) traveling today and can't quickly update the
 wiki - if some kind soul would do that for us, we would appreciate it.
 
 If you have already voted and wish to change your selections, feel
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

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On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to
 maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results.


Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/) is relevant 
here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League 
(http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geodata] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

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On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 On 07/31/2012 02:14 PM, Mr. Puneet Kishor wrote:
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us
 wrote:
 
 Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to 
 maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results.
 
 
 Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/)
 is relevant here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League
 (http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html)
 
 http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
 
 [BOF]
 4.6 Access to Derivative Databases. If You Publicly Use a Derivative
 Database or a Produced Work from a Derivative Database, You must also
 offer to recipients of the Derivative Database or Produced Work a copy
 in a machine readable form of:
 
  a. The entire Derivative Database; or
 
  b. A file containing all of the alterations made to the Database
 or the method of making the alterations to the Database (such as an
 algorithm), including any additional Contents, that make up all the
 differences between the Database and the Derivative Database.
 [EOF]
 
 So whenever you create a derivative database you can simply add the
 breadcrumb track of how you did it and Voila, the license conditions
 have been met, happy.
 
 In my mind one of the greatest sections in OdbL (an admittedly narrowly
 metadata focused mind).
 


Perhaps, but not all datasets have licenses, may be in the public domain, may 
have waived their rights allowing derivation without attribution, etc., etc. 

Let's not get bogged down right away in licensing issues (I shouldn't say 
trust me, but I will, as a friend, not a lawyer -- IANAL) else we won't get 
anywhere, but there are many, many different legal statuses under which a 
dataset may be made available.
 
(sitting in a meeting in Wash DC discussing this very issue since yesterday 
morning).


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

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On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:28 AM, David William Bitner bit...@gyttja.org wrote:

 
 
 I think it important however that people *do not* use Inkscape, unless of 
 course it is being put up as an fosGIS package. Using Inkscape has come about 
 due to the inherent deficiencies in map production in various packages.
 
 Any maps produced for such a book need to be produced solely using the 
 package they are meant to be showcasing. Otherwise the resulting map is not 
 representative of what can be produced using a particular GIS package but 
 rather the artistic skill of the cartographer!
 
 Simon,
 
 I strongly disagree here. One of the best things about Open Source tools is 
 that they often follow the Unix Philosophy of being able to have very task 
 specific tools. Cartography is most certainly a very different task than data 
 analysis and I think that tools like InkScape are a very important part of 
 the toolbox. While I do agree that we need to do a better job integrating 
 better cartographic tools into individual pieces of fosGIS packages, it is 
 equally important to me that we create the linkages to make it easier to use 
 complementary tools like InkScape as well.
 
 


Agree with David completely. For example, I can use Perl to create spatial 
data, but I would not use Perl to create a map. Use the best tool for the job.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

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On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@highearthorbit.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white
 paper.
 Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee.
 I'd be happy to participate.
 
 +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well.


I am with y'all on that.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

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On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source
 technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was
 thinking:
 ..


Great idea, but a physical book in today's day and age? Perhaps... That said, 
what about

http://www.radicalcartography.net
http://www.cartotalk.com/index.php?showforum=14


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote:

 BSD, MIT, Apache wouldn't have this issue - at the expense of not having the 
 weak copyleft. Basically people can take the code and do what they wish with 
 it.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
 On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote:
 This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also
 appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and
 I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL
 components.
 
 GPL is dying, of natural causes.
 
 http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github
 
 Best regards,
 
 (I don't think that GPL is dying, it is still 70% on SourceForge last
 time I checked)
 ..


would also be interesting to rearrange that chart by --

- SLOC. Would 200 projects of 5 SLOC each under license A vs. one project of 
1000 SLOC under license B considered some kind of marker?

- adoption. Would 200 projects under license A adopted by a total of 500 
implementations vs. one project under license B adopted by 500,000 folks 
portend some other kind of trend?

Yes, an interesting and worthwhile conversation.



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On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the
 greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter
 adherence to open source principles that come with a stronger
 license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html)
 
 I'm not making a statement about which license is better for OSGeo
 Projects, I'm just making a general statement. I personally feel the
 principles in the GPL and LGPL are more important than wider adoption
 for my projects. But I'm just a hobby programmer.


Yes, choice of license is a personal one, and while we may disagree on it, we 
have to abide by the choices that others make.

Personally, I care enough about free and open access that I want to see as wide 
adoption as possible. And, that includes those who may want to take my work, 
modify it, and re-release the modifications under a more restrictive license. 
If that leads to wider adoption, and there is some empirical evidence it does, 
I am all for it. Which is why I tend to use CC0 -- that is, effectively in the 
Public Domain, reverted to CC-BY where PD is not possible or impractical.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 15:50, Mr. Puneet Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the
 greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter
 adherence to open source principles that come with a stronger
 license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html)
 
 I'm not making a statement about which license is better for OSGeo
 Projects, I'm just making a general statement. I personally feel the
 principles in the GPL and LGPL are more important than wider adoption
 for my projects. But I'm just a hobby programmer.
 
 
 Yes, choice of license is a personal one, and while we may disagree on it,
 we have to abide by the choices that others make.
 
 
 Actually choice of licence may be imposed on you by employer or sponsoring
 organisation -


Yes, of course. I wasn't bringing into discussion situations where I had no 
control. If my terms of hire or funding state something, I have to abide by 
that, and all this discussion is moot.


 ...
 
 The only thing I hate more than licence discussions is meetings with the
 lawyers.
 


Indeed. Which is why I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal 
domain by not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, 
to encumber with these complications. I'd rather be having a cold beer.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:

 I hesitate to get into this discussion, but...
 
 Puneet wrote:
 [...] I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal domain by
 not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, to 
 encumber with 
 these complications.
 
 Do you literally mean no license at all? That might be a mistake, if you're 
 looking for others to adopt your code.
 


No, I don't mean no license at all. I mean CC0.


http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/


 Having no license documentation in the code raises all sorts of red flags.  
 In my commercial or government work, I'd not allow use of any code whose 
 provenance, author, and/or copyright status is at all unclear.
 


Using CC0 makes my intent very clear.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, doug_newc...@fws.gov wrote:

 I would have to echo that.  I do not see using code at work that does not 
 have any licensing information attached.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination period ended

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On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 My proposal to the board is to accept all 22 members
 instead of running an election which would simply exclude two
 potential charter members on a more or less arbitrary basis.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role

[Puneet Kishor]

I like the phrase OSGeo Advocate.


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On Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

 Minutes of this meeting are here:
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2012-06-04#Minutes
 
 Consensus was that the role should be created as outlined [1], with a change 
 of title from OSGeo Ambassador to OSGeo Advocate, as Ambassador implies 
 that the OSGeo board has assigned the role to someone after a selection 
 process (which is not the case for this volunteer role).
 
 Voting will remain open for the next 48 hours if people who couldn't make the 
 meeting wish to vote.
 
 +1 Cameron Shorter to accept the OSGeo Advocate role.
 
 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador
 
 On 30/05/2012 6:59 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote: 
  I've set up a meeting next week to discuss then finalise the setting of an 
  OSGeo Ambassador role. Hope to see many of you at the meeting, or if you 
  can't make it, please share your thoughts (and vote?) on email before hand.
  
  Location: irc://irc.freenode.net/#osgeo
  Time:
  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012month=6day=4hour=20min=30sec=0p1=264p2=240p3=215p4=179p5=224
  
  Location 
  Local time
  
  
  Wellington (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=264) (New 
  Zealand) 
  Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 8:30:00 AM
  
  
  Sydney (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240) (Australia - 
  New South Wales) 
  Tuesday, 5 June 2012 at 6:30:00 AM
  
  
  Rome (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215) (Italy) 
  Monday, 4 June 2012 at 10:30:00 PM
  
  
  New York (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179) (U.S.A. - 
  New York) 
  Monday, 4 June 2012 at 4:30:00 PM
  
  
  San Francisco (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224) 
  (U.S.A. - California) 
  Monday, 4 June 2012 at 1:30:00 PM
  
  
  
  The current proposal is here:
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Ambassador
  
  This topic has been discussed by many of you on discuss, marketing and 
  board email lists. Here is a summary of comments, along with my suggestions:
  
  1. There has emerged to be two roles which people have been categorising 
  under the title of OSGeo Ambassador
  a. Someone knowledgeable in OSGeo, who can speak at conferences and the 
  like. This is what we are focusing on for this definition of the role.
  b. Someone who can negotiate MOU and similar on behalf of the OSGeo board. 
  This is proposed to be treated separately, with the OSGeo Board delegated 
  to someone they see fit to do the job, on a case-by-case basis.
  
  2. There has been concern (from FrankW?) about defining a role which is 
  exclusive and prevents people from just stepping up an volunteering. This 
  is addressed by letting anyone who believes they have OSGeo experience and 
  thinks them self worthy can step forward and volunteer.
  
  3. There has been concern (from Arnulf?) that our categorisation is too 
  complicated. (We are proposing Board Members, Charter Members, Voted 
  Positions, Community Members). I believe that we do need some way to define 
  OSGeo experience, because that is one of the key criteria that conference 
  organisors look for when selecting speakers and key notes. We can 
  potentially de-emphasise the categorisation by moving it into the 
  Description field rather than making a heading out of it.
  
  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Marketing meeting to finalise definition of an OSGeo Ambassador role

[Puneet Kishor]

top posting...


To be clear, I am completely for the need that the proposed ambassadors would 
fulfill. I am against --

1. Creating another level of organizational complexity; and

2. The club-ish language in the proposal that seems to create a subjective 
value-laden hierarchy.

I personally know folks who are not even a charter member who generate an 
immense amount of goodwill through their work with open source GeoSpatial 
technologies, and would also make great ambassadors for the general principles 
and ideas that power OSGeo.

As CMs, we have no other responsibility currently other than voting for the 
Board. This has been lamented by many. Well, here is an opportunity. We already 
have a db of CMs and their locations. Let us add to that our willingness to 
speak/demo/present on behalf of OSGeo at events in our area (some of us already 
do that, ahem). Then, when an event organizer is looking for a speaker, a CM in 
that event area can be contacted and asked to speak. What could be simpler?

/purely pointless personal viewpoint ahead not meriting a response:
No, having kings and queens is not natural, not in today's day and age. But, 
that is neither here nor there.

On May 31, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Jeroen Ticheler jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net wrote:

 Dear Puneet,
 
 The idea is that conference organizers usually look for people to give 
 keynotes etcetera at their event that have a higher than average visibility 
 so they will attract a large audience to the conference in order to make it a 
 success. Isn't it kind of natural to have such leaders in communities that 
 stand out? We call them presidents, kings and queens, ministers, ambassadors, 
 Nobel prize winners etc.. They are not super humans and we are not worth less 
 than them. But reality is that it works this way. Even communist systems 
 didn't manage to make us all equal. My street will be pretty crowded when our 
 queen would walk by, but is very silent when I walk by. Still I consider 
 myself equally human and accept that we all have different roles in life.
 
 We as OSGeo are not much different. It kind of makes natural sense to have 
 our community leaders stand out a little more, even if it is just for the 
 benefit of our community. More publicity and thus more value for OSGeo. 
 
 At the same time the discussion of having Ambassadors should not be mixed 
 with OSGeo's democratic / do-ocratic nature. It will not create a new 
 hierarchy level with a special voting right or so. It is just a way to do a 
 better job towards the outside world in marketing OSGeo. The last years have 
 shown that just on that aspect we need to do a better job and that it doesn't 
 work to have the whole community serve as community leaders.
 
 Just to be sure: I am NOT saying that we shouldn't ALL volunteer time and 
 energy to OSGeo. Just that I think there are very good reasons to also have 
 Ambassadors (or whatever we call them).
 
 Cheers,
 Jeroen
 
 On 31 mei 2012, at 00:29, Puneet Kishor wrote:
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 
 On 31/05/2012 12:08 AM, Jo Cook wrote:
 My thoughts- initially I thought the idea was too complicated, but if we 
 envisage outside organisations/conferences coming to us for speakers, then 
 we will need something like you suggest. I wonder, in all honesty, how 
 much that is going to happen, but at least we will have somewhere to point 
 them to.
 
 Jo,
 In 2012, there have been 22 events that I'm aware of that have/are planning 
 to made use of the OSGeo-Live DVD (or the presentation): 
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History
 
 At most/all of these events there an OSGeo presentation, usually based upon 
 our OSGeo-Live presentation, and I've usually been involved in finding 
 someone to give these presentations.
 
 I suspect that Arnulf and others could testify to similar numbers of 
 approaches.
 
 So, from personal experience, I would find it very useful to have a list of 
 ambassadors to point conference organisors at.
 
 
 
 Here is what I don't understand --
 
 Why call them ambassadors?
 
 Why not simply have a list of Charter Members who have volunteered to make 
 themselves available all around the world, and then, when an event comes up, 
 ask the CMs close by (the event) if they would give a presentation, stand at 
 a booth, demo an OSGeo-Live DVD, etc.?
 
 In fact, I would contend that such volunteers need not even be a CM. They 
 can simply be *any* user of OSGeo-endorsed products and knowledgeable about 
 OSGeo in general.
 
 Personally, I am with Jo in that I find this a needless extra hierarchy, but 
 more than that, (as I mentioned in an earlier email), I find the language of 
 the proposal a bit off-the-spirit of OSGeo. I point to the following text 
 fragments in particular, as they connote clubs --
 
elite of the OSGeo community 
outstanding leadership in the greater OSGeo community
strongly contested selective process
 
 
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Governance

[Puneet Kishor]

On May 26, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:

 Dear Members of OSGeo,
 we have an important issue on governance coming up again and again. It
 suggests that OSGeo Board decisions should be complemented by votes from
 the Charter Members when important and strategic decisions have to
 be taken. Something like this:
 
 [snip]
 For such important decisions, I think that it would maybe
 worth making Charter members vote too, just like to get an
 major orientation decided by 120 people instead of only 8.
 [snip]
 
 Initially this sounded like a good idea to me so we discussed this in
 Denver and then again in Seattle at the last f2f board meetings plus on
 the list and during regular IRC board meetings. We have come to a
 different conclusion and want to explain why and ask for comments.
 ..


I don't know if you are asking for input from the charter members, but if you 
are, I concur with your conclusion. I trust the board to make the right 
decision on my behalf, and if and when I don't, I will do my little bit to 
choose a different board.

Keep up the hard work.


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Re: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

I second Michael's sentiments. Use of terms such as distinguished and elite 
in the context of OSGeo community makes me extremely uncomfortable.


On May 5, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

 Your points have actually been discussed, but so far there hasn't 
 apparently been enough 
 interest to further push the idea of stronger charter member roles.
 enough interest in the community or the OSGeo Board?
 
 Both.
 
 (Your points (1) and (3) are already the case, and some people (myself 
 included) feel that (2) is not desirable right now.)
 About (2), why is it not desirable?
 
 The board is elected by the charter members to make policy. When the system 
 was set up, it was not the intent that charter members had any role other 
 than to preserve the nature and mission of the foundation by electing 
 appropriate board members.
 
 Other than that, many of us did not want to create any sort of special 
 status for members of the community: we wanted to be as open and inclusive as 
 possible. To  that end, we have a public board mailing list where issues can 
 be raised and discussed by all, and the monthly board meetings are also held 
 openly on #irc.
 
 -mpg
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
 On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:58 AM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; 'OSGeo-Board'; 'marketing'
 Subject: Re: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 Michael,
 
 On 2012/05/05 23:58, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 Your points have actually been discussed, but so far there hasn't 
 apparently been enough interest to further push the idea of
 stronger charter member roles.
 enough interest in the community or the OSGeo Board?
 
 
 
 (Your points (1) and (3) are already the case, and some people (myself 
 included) feel that (2) is not desirable right now.)
 About (2), why is it not desirable?
 
 Venka
 
 
 
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 From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
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 Subject: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 
 
 There was a discussion about responsibility of Charter members
 http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-December/009239.html
 
 and a wiki page (see below) was initiated (at the request of a Board member)
 but not much input after that.
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_charter_member_page_instruction
 
 I also made several suggestions to the board which till date is answered by 
 anyone
 on the OSGeo board.
 See thread http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/009337.html
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

[Puneet Kishor]

On Apr 21, 2012, at 5:47 AM, Stefano Costa st...@iosa.it wrote:

 Il 21/04/2012 12:28, Jody Garnett ha scritto:
 
 I would hope that our charter members (who have been through a public
 nomination process in part for their involvement) are already acting in
 the capacity of Ambassador for OSGeo.


Some (ahem), if not most, and hopefully all, already do that.

 
 I totally agree on this point. The fact that charter members only official 
 role is to nominate new charter members and the Board is IMHO a weakness. 
 Their role as OSGeo champions (and Ambassadors if there's consensus on 
 that) should be emphasised.

Absolutely. Leverage the existing organization instead of creating year another 
layer of complication. In fact, everyone who uses OSGeo software is, can, and 
should act as an ambassador of the OSGeo way of doing things spatial.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G South America

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On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:20 PM, slesage wrote:

 El 2012-02-12 22:25, Alex Borrell escribió:
 Thanks for your nice reply, Sylvain.
 
 I would certainly like to Bolivia (People say it's beatiful). Anyway,
 if there is something I coul do to help,
 count on it! Probably we'll see the day of a Latin American FOSS4G.



Yes, Bolivia is gorgeous. I spent a couple of wonderful weeks in La Paz in 1995 
doing an assessment of their GIS capability, and few even more wonderful days 
in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. Still have a charango to prove it. I am sure their 
GIS capabilities have come a long ways since 1995.

A project like this is best done by local developers, with lots of active 
involvement via user lists and other online communities such as this.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Automatic geocoding of PDF documents

[Puneet Kishor]

Perhaps http://metalayer.com/ when they actually come out with something that 
is publicly usable.



On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Fawcett, David (MPCA) wrote:

 Another related project is Geodict:  https://github.com/petewarden/geodict
 
 David.
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2011 Charter Member Election Results

[Puneet Kishor]

On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dave McIlhagga wrote:

 I would suggest that on the contrary, being a Charter Member does come with 
 responsibility -- it may be minimal but is critically important. All that is 
 required is voting for new Charter Members and voting for the Board.
 ..

I agree with Dave. There is really not much that I do as a Charter Member that 
I couldn't do as joe-schmoe-at-large, and since voting is the only thing that I 
can do as a Charter Member, I better do that little bit with a sense of 
responsibility... else, dismantle the whole Charter Member thing and let's 
just get back to doing what we do as ordinary folks. And, in the end, all that 
matters is what we do. That merits saying again -- 

being a Charter Member is no bees-knees. Anyone who is *not* a Charter Member 
is just as equally valuable as anyone who is one. In the end, all that matters 
is what we contribute to the cause through our actions no matter what 
position we hold, even if it is no position at all.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Report from the OSGeo Board meeting

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

 I wrote recently that there three kinds of functions needed here:
 administrative (bookkeeping, answering mail, etc), tactical (project
 management, sys admin), and strategic (fundraising, outreach).  The first
 can be done by a mixture of outsourcing and volunteers, and we're already
 taking steps for that.  The second is done already by very competent
 volunteers.  The third requires a very specific set of skills we will likely
 hire or contract out for;


Agree about the first and the second above, but disagree about the third (in a 
minor way). Yes, fundraising is something that requires a dedicated person or 
persona, which, unfortunately and ironically requires funds. Although, there 
are models for getting around that (in a minute on that). However, please don't 
lump outreach there. Outreach is what we all do on a daily basis --

- Every time someone responds to a desperate new or (ahem) returning user's 
email as to why MapServer is returning a broken image or why OpenLayers is not 
working via a proxy, that is outreach. 

- The hours that Alex and Karsten and others (including, in a very small way, 
myself) stand at the OSGeo booth talking to visitors, that is outreach. 

- The countless presentations that I have given all over the world in the past 
3 years, mostly as a Creative Commons Fellow, but also talking about OSGeo and 
free and open source geospatial, that is outreach.

- Using pretty much nothing but OSGeo tools for my current largish-money 
project and converting all my colleagues in academic to appreciating the 
benefits of OSGeo tools is outreach.

Outreach is a fundamentally volunteer and community effort, not requiring a 
dedicated sales/advertising budget or agency. This is a significant part of the 
open in OSGeo.

With regards to fundraising -- I am thinking of the sqlite model. As you might 
know, sqlite is in public domain. However, the developer ha) at least the 
following funding sources --

1. personal technical support
2. sale of encrypted sqlite
3. (perhaps, most applicable to OSGeo) is corporate sponsorship/membership to 
the sqlite consortium from big-pocketed private companies that benefit from 
sqlite. I believe part of the benefit of being a member of the consortia is 
that they get some tech support, etc., although I am not too sure about that. 
sqlite.org has details about that.


 in the near term, the board and other non-board
 volunteers will shoulder this (as they have been doing for years, though
 often unacknowledged).  This will be an evolving process, of course, and the
 discussion with the community is now underway.

Yup, this is good. And, absolute no issues with taking decision about 
eliminating the ED position without airing it on the public list. Besides other 
reasons, it would have been tremendously inefficient.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] AAG 2012 - Washington, DC

[Puneet Kishor]

On Sep 15, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote:

 Are you planning to submit any talks that tie into OSGeo projects at the AAG 
 event in February?
 
 Abstracts for the 2012 AAG Annual Meeting must be submitted by September 28, 
 2011. Earlier submission is strongly encouraged. To see the call for papers, 
 register for the conference and submit your abstract visit 
 http://www.aag.org/annualmeeting 


minor correction -- the next AAG meeting is in NYC, not in Wash DC.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] designing databases, organizing data formats to work with open source and proprietary GIS

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

Karsten,

On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:12 PM, karsten vennemann wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 in the near future I will have the opportunity to help design databases, 
 decide on data formats (files data) for an international organization that 
 wishes to be able to use both proprietary and open source based systems, 
 mostly in web mapping solution but also possibly on the desktop. The task 
 will be to design and organize the data stores in a way that both types of 
 systems - open source (e.g. MapServer, OpenLayers) and proprietary systems 
 (ESRI Arc Server) can use them well, and along the way to try to avoid too 
 much data duplication (having to store data in multiple formats just to make 
 them accessible) .
 
 This sounds to like a exiting  useful, fun task, but given the limitations 
 of both systems (regarding input data that might not work out of the box- 
 namely file Geodatabases in open source solutions, and PostGIS data in ESRI 
 products) might be not totally trivial ;)
 
 I was wondering if anybody has done work on this, has implemented systems 
 facing the same issues or knows of projects or reports that have been dealing 
 with similar issues. Also I anybody has comments about what data storage 
 solution you would recommend and comments about the pro and cons of certain 
 storage designs please send it to the list.
 Looking forward to hear what other have come up with.
 Thanks a lot
 

Perhaps other will respond with something helpful, but the above is way too 
generic. You might have to narrow down the specific issues in order to get more 
useful responses.

Puneet.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-ers in Sydney

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

I am in Sydney till the end of the week. If there are any Sydney OSGeo-ers on 
this list, I would love to meet up with you and get tips on where to find 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Live-demo] Impacts of OSGeo-Live document license selection on OSGeo

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Charlie Schweik wrote:

 On 6/18/2011 7:00 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Are education institutions allowed to license material they create under CC 
 BY-SA?
 I don't know if there is a yes or no answer to this or to what degree 
 this has been addressed in academic institutions. We have one colleague, 
 Puneet Kishor, who is closely connected to Creative Commons. Puneet, do you 
 have any idea about this?
 


The answer would likely vary from institution to institution. Going by 
UW-Madison where I work, copyright in institutional stuff (for example, the UW 
web site [http://www.wisc.edu]) are held by the Regents of the University. 
Every page on the web site is footnoted with © 2010 Board of Regents - 
University of Wisconsin System. All Rights Reserved.

However, employees are certainly allowed to benefit from their own creations; 
see below for relevant excerpt from 
[http://www.wisconsin.edu/gc-off/deskbook/copyrgt.htm]. 


Ownership of Employee-Created Instructional Materials

Under the UW System Policy on Ownership of Copyrightable 
Instructional Materials (GAPP 27), the employee usually 
owns all rights in his or her creations. For instance, a 
professor who creates a scholarly article in the course 
of research at a UW System institution would ordinarily 
own the copyright in it. The institution may have an 
interest, however, if it contributed substantial 
institutional resources in the creation of the work. 
Substantial resources could include providing the 
creator with paid release time from his or her job, or 
allowing the employee exceptional access to specialized 
computer resources to create the work. In practice, 
when an author uses institutional resources to create a 
protected work, it is best to agree with the institution 
beforehand about ownership and control of the work. GAPP 
27 includes a sample agreement to allocate rights and 
interests in copyrighted works between the institution 
and the employee author.

In addition, if a work is produced with extramural support, 
such as federal funding or corporate sponsorship, the 
sponsor may have rights in the work. These rights need to 
be factored into any agreement allocating rights between 
the copyright owner and the institution.


It is evident from above that the matter is not cut and dried. It would depend 
on agreement with the employer (work-for-hire clause), stipulations from the 
funding agency (federal vs. private funders), etc.

Instructors hold copyright in the instructional material they create, 
researchers hold copyright in the articles and books they write, and inventors 
are able to hold patents and benefit from them. UW has specific policies 
regarding patenting [http://www.warf.org/inventors/index.jsp?cid=14].


Please note that under university policy and certain 
federal statutes, all inventions made by UW-Madison faculty, 
staff and students must be disclosed to WARF regardless of 
the monies (federal, private, etc.) that funded the 
research leading to the invention. 

Once WARF processes a new disclosure, the UW-Madison 
Graduate School will perform an equity review to determine 
who has ownership rights to the invention. If the Graduate 
School determines that federal funds did not contribute to 
the invention (and the inventor has not assigned intellectual 
property rights to an outside entity, such as a company), 
the inventor may then choose whether or not to work with 
WARF in patenting and licensing the invention.


In fact, even students hold copyright in their theses and dissertations 
[http://www.grad.wisc.edu/education/completedegree/pguide.html#18].


Copyright Page (optional)   
[ top ]
If you would like, prepare a copyright page conforming to 
the sample in the samples section. You may view a sample 
copyright page at 
http://www.grad.wisc.edu/education/completedegree/copyright.pdf. 
Center the text in the bottom third of the page within the 
dissertation margins.  Do not number the copyright page.

Registration of copyright

You are automatically protected by copyright law, and you do 
not have to pay in order to retain copyright.  There is an 
additional fee of $65.00 for registering your copyright, 
which is a public record, and is payable at the Bursar's 
office along with the dissertation microfilming and binding 
fee of $90.00.  If you choose to pay this additional fee, 
please sign the separate ProQuest registration of copyright page.  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] F4G 2012

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On May 9, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Eduardo Kanegae wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I'll not be able to visit F4G2011 but I´d like to start planning
 myself for the next year conference.
 
 Is there any proposal of places for hosting 2012 conference or am I
 asking this too early?
 

I believe São Paulo is a top contender. Start saving.









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[OSGeo-Discuss] Workshop on Open Government: Open Data, Open Source and Open Standards

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

## Workshop on Open Government: Open Data,  Open Source and Open Standards

You are invited to attend a workshop titled [Open Government: Open Data, 
Open Source and Open Standards][og] organized jointly by 
[Dr. Hanif Rahemtulla][hr], Horizon Digital Economy Research and 
[Puneet Kishor][pk], Creative Commons

The workshop will be held in conjunction with the annual [Open Source 
GIS Conference][oc], June 21, 2011, Nottingham, United Kingdom, and will 
be held at the [School of Geography/Centre for Geospatial Science][cg] 
at the University of Nottingham.

[og]: http://punkish.org/opengov/index.html
[hr]: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/computerscience/people/Hanif.Rahemtulla
[pk]: http://punkish.org
[oc]: http://cgs.nottingham.ac.uk/~osgis11/os_home.html
[cg]: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/index.aspx

This workshop builds on the [Law and the GeoWeb][lg] workshop held recently 
at Microsoft Research, Redmond, WA, and will bring together speakers from 
across industry, research and academia to contribute toward some of the 
fundamental theoretical and technical questions emerging in the Open Data 
space (i.e., how to mark up and release open data; licensing models for 
governments and how to interface them to other open source and commercial 
licensing regimes; conflicts between data protection and transparency and 
structuring access to data by different groups). 

[lg]: http://punkish.org/geoweb/index.html

The following speakers and topics have been confirmed:

*   Dr. Peter Mooney, Geotechnologies Research Group, Department of 
Computer Science, NUI Maynooth (NUIM), Co. Kildare. Ireland
 Producing and consuming open data

*   Professor David Martin, School of Geography, University of 
Southampton, Southampton
 Mapping the UK population over time: a universe of new possibilities

*   Zach Beauvais, Talis
 Linked data

*   Dr. Chris Parker (GeoVation and Community Propositions) and 
Ian Holt (Web Services), Ordnance Survey, Southampton
 Tackling global challenges through open innovation and geographic 
information

*   Dr. Catherine Souch, Royal Geographical Society
 The Open Data revolution and data literacy in higher education

*   Dr. Katleen Janssen, Interdisciplinary Centre for Law and ICT (ICRI), 
Katholieke Universiteit, Leuven, Belgium
 Privacy and legal implications of open data

*   Professor Derek McAuley, Horizon Digital Economy Research Institute, 
University of Nottingham
 Exercising our rights over information about us

## Proceedings

Proceedings of the Redmond and Nottingham workshops along with 
selected longer papers will be published in a special issue of the 
open-access [International Journal of Spatial Data Infrastructure 
Research][ij] published by the Joint Research Centre of the European 
Commission.

[ij]: http://ijsdir.jrc.ec.europa.eu

## Contact

Please register for the workshop at the main [OSGIS web site][rg]. 

[rg]: 
http://osgis2011.wufoo.com/forms/third-open-source-gis-conference-osgis-2011/

For further information please contact either [Dr. Hanif Rahemtulla][eh] or 
[Puneet Kishor][ep].

[eh]: mailto:hanif.rahemtu...@nottingham.ac.uk
[ep]: mailto:punk...@creativecommons.org

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO booth is up at AAG in Seattle

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On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, karsten vennemann kars...@terragis.net wrote:

 Hi GIS Folks,
  
 the OSGEO booth is set-up at AAG 2011 http://www.aag.org/cs/annualmeeting in 
 Seattle. 
 Please please stop by and chat with us if you are in the areas or attending 
 AGG. We have volunteer staffing at the booth starting tonight at the exhibit 
 hall opening and until Friday with support mainly  from the CA and Cascadia 
 chapter of OSGEO .
 See you there during the rest of the week.

Wanted to have it be known -- Karsten and Alex Mandel and others are doing a 
great job. A true labor of love.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO booth is up at AAG in Seattle

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, karsten vennemann kars...@terragis.net wrote:

 Hi GIS Folks,
  
 the OSGEO booth is set-up at AAG 2011 http://www.aag.org/cs/annualmeeting in 
 Seattle. 
 Please please stop by and chat with us if you are in the areas or attending 
 AGG. We have volunteer staffing at the booth starting tonight at the exhibit 
 hall opening and until Friday with support mainly  from the CA and Cascadia 
 chapter of OSGEO .
 See you there during the rest of the week.


Cool. Will come to say hi. Hey other OSGeo-ers. Raise your hand if you are here 
at AAG. Would love to put some names to faces to names.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Finding position based on horizon profile?

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

On Mar 29, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Ian Turton wrote:

 On 28 March 2011 16:48, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:
 Consider the following hypothetical problem:
 
 Assume we have a good elevation data set for a large region of the earth --
 say, an entire mountain range.  Now let's say we have a photograph taken
 from the ground, the horizon of which shows the profile of a couple of the
 mountains in that range.  Can you tell me where the photograph was taken
 from?
 
 Any pointers to research in this area would be appreciated.
 
 I think that http://www.heywhatsthat.com/ does some of  what you want.
 I'm on a very slow hotel internet connection so I can't actually get
 it to load just now. But my Delicious tags seem to indicate it's an
 answer.
 

Yes, that is the one I have been thinking of since the start of this thread. 
Thanks Ian, for suggesting heywhatsthat.com. It was pointed out either on this 
list or on geowanking a long time ago, and I just couldn't remember it. It is 
pretty cool.

Puneet.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] map viz of US copyright treaties

[Puneet Kishor]

 Following the there is no international copyright trail, I scratched an 
itch, and look what I got
[http://punkish.org/copyright/treaties.html]

Some of you might find it of use. All the info is in PD, and my work is 
released under CC0. It is all done with OpenLayers and jQuery.

Go forth and click.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Batch geocoding

[Puneet Kishor]

Look at http://geocoder.us/

JP Glutting wrote:

Thanks Pieter.

Geomajas looks very nice! I don't mind rolling my own, but this is just
a preliminary part of a big project (my Masters thesis), and I only need
to geocode the data once. You don't know of any code or solutions I
could take a look at that implement a solution like this?

Thanks,
JP


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pieter De Graef
pieter.degr...@geosparc.com mailto:pieter.degr...@geosparc.com wrote:

When we created the GeoCoder plugin for Geomajas we faced that same
problem. The google geocoder has a few drawbacks that makes it
unsuitable.
In the end we used the Yahoo service together with the Geonames
service, with pretty good results.

Hope that helps.



On 02/04/2011 02:34 PM, JP Glutting wrote:

Hello,

I have a large set of addresses (around 150k) that I need to
geocode for a study (my Masters thesis on heat-related mortality).
I am looking into different solutions, but I can't find anything
that seems like it would work properly.

I could script a solution using Google's map API, but there is a
limit of 2,500 addreses per day (I can get around them with a
little patience).

Right now the best solution I am looking at geopy for geocoding
addresses (http://code.google.com/p/geopy/). It seems like a good
system, I think I can use it to pull addresses out of my database
and write back coordinates. There is one thing that I am not sure,
about, though, is whether I am actually allowed to use the Google
API without my use being liked to a specific web page. The terms
of service and form for getting a Google API key require a URL
linked to a Google account. In fact, it looks like the API can
only be used through a web site:

5.2 _Account Key_. After supplying Google with your account
information and the URL of your Maps API Implementation, and
accepting the Terms, you will be issued an alphanumeric key
assigned to you by Google that is uniquely associated with
your Google Account and the URL of your Maps API
Implementation. Your Maps API Implementation must import the
Google Maps APIs using this key as described in the Maps APIs
Documentation
http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/, and Google
will block requests with an invalid key or invalid URL. You
may only obtain and use a key in accordance with these Terms
and the Maps APIs Documentation
http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/.


So it looks like I can't even get it to work without a URL.

I can always write a script that loops through results extracted
from the database, creates URLs and parses the XML results one at
a time, but that seems like a fairly inelegant solution.

Does anyone have any good ideas about how to geocode a few
thousand addresses?

Many thanks,
JP


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[OSGeo-Discuss] final call for Law and the GeoWeb

[Puneet Kishor]

Hi all, because of larger than expected space available for the 
workshop, we can accommodate a few more folks to the Law and the 
GeoWeb workshop. If you are attending the AAG conference in Seattle 
next April, and are interested in IP issues related to geographic data, 
I invite you to sign up at [http://punkish.org/geoweb/index.html]. The 
workshop is free, and will be held on the campus of Microsoft Research, 
but registration for the main conference is required.


We will accept folks until our space limit is reached or until a week 
before the main conference, whichever comes first. So, apply soon if you 
want to ensure a spot.


The original announcement is below.

Puneet.



Law and the GeoWeb
==

Announcing Law and the GeoWeb, a workshop on intellectual property and 
geographic data in the internet era sponsored by Creative Commons and 
the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in conjunction with the 2011 
annual meeting of the Association of American Geographers (AAG). The 
workshop will be held on Monday, April 11, 2011 on the campus of 
Microsoft Research, and will be streamed live on the Internet.


This workshop will focus on intellectual property issues with geographic 
data, exploring situations when users and creators ranging from 
individuals to local, state and federal agencies as well as private 
companies and non-profits create, share and reuse geographic information 
from different sources over the Internet in their projects.


For more information, please see http://punkish.org/geoweb/index.html or 
search on Twitter for #lawandgeoweb


Rationale
=

U.S Copyright Law protects tangible original works with creative content 
but the law also ensures that facts, that is, data that are discovered 
rather than invented, remain free for everyone's benefit. This 
ideas/expression dichotomy creates a lot of issues in the Internet age 
when information is very easily created, shared, used and reused.


With inexpensive computing and networking power available to everyone, 
geographic datasets are increasingly being created, shared and used by 
individuals, grassroots organizations, and private corporations. These 
data come with different expectations with regards to how they may be 
used resulting in a hodgepodge of licensing and contractual obligations 
that hinders data interoperability. Mixing data of different provenance 
creates new data with typically more restrictive licensing conditions. 
Public agencies may be unable to mix licensed data with government data 
due to restrictive licensing terms of the resultant dataset, and thus, 
may be unable to capitalize on and benefit from user-generated content.


Workshop Structure
==

The current line-up of speakers from federal, state and local agencies, 
Creative Commons, grassroots agencies, intellectual property lawyers, 
the geospatial industry, and research and academia includes:


* Ed Arabas, National States Geographic Information Council
* Greg Babinski, King County, State of Washington
* Michael Brick, Microsoft Legal, Bing Maps
* Steve Coast, Founder, OpenStreetMap
* Kari Craun, Director, National Geospatial Technical Operations, USGS
* Ed Parsons, Chief Technologist, Google Maps, Google
* Diane Peters, General Counsel, Creative Commons
* Tim Trainor, Bureau Chief, Geography Division, US Census Bureau
* Paul Uhlir, Director, Board on Research Data and Information, National 
Research Council


The format of the workshop will encourage discussion and participation.

Participate
===

To ensure those directly involved in the topic get a chance to attend 
the workshop, attendance is based on a short application form accessible 
at http://punkish.org/geoweb/participate/in_person/index.html.


Attendees will also be able to submit longer papers for publication in a 
special issue of the peer-reviewed, completely free and open access 
online journal International Journal of Spatial Data Infrastructure 
Research published by the Joint Research Centre of the European Commission.


Logistics
=

The workshop is organized in conjunction with the AAG annual meeting. 
The workshop will be held on the campus of Microsoft Research, and run 
from 1 PM to 5 PM on Monday, April 11, 2011.


There is no fee for this workshop but participants do have to register 
for the AAG Annual Meeting (This is an AAG requirement). The workshop is 
limited to 50 participants to facilitate discussion.


Contact
===

Please contact either Puneet Kishor, Creative Commons 
[punk...@creativecommons.org] or Barbara Poore, USGS [bspo...@usgs.gov] 
if you have any questions.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] second call for Law and the GeoWeb

[Puneet Kishor]

Hi OSGeo folks,

If you are attending the AAG conference in Seattle next April, and are 
interested in IP issues related to geographic data, I invite you to sign 
up for the following workshop. The workshop is free, and will be held on 
the campus of Microsoft Research.


Puneet.



Law and the GeoWeb
==

Announcing Law and the GeoWeb, a workshop on intellectual property and 
geographic data in the internet era sponsored by Creative Commons and 
the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in conjunction with the 2011 
annual meeting of the Association of American Geographers (AAG). The 
workshop will be held on Monday, April 11, 2011 on the campus of 
Microsoft Research, and will be streamed live on the Internet.


This workshop will focus on intellectual property issues with geographic 
data, exploring situations when users and creators ranging from 
individuals to local, state and federal agencies as well as private 
companies and non-profits create, share and reuse geographic information 
from different sources over the Internet in their projects.


For more information, please see http://punkish.org/geoweb/index.html or 
search on Twitter for #lawandgeoweb


Rationale
=

U.S Copyright Law protects tangible original works with creative content 
but the law also ensures that facts, that is, data that are discovered 
rather than invented, remain free for everyone's benefit. This 
ideas/expression dichotomy creates a lot of issues in the Internet age 
when information is very easily created, shared, used and reused.


With inexpensive computing and networking power available to everyone, 
geographic datasets are increasingly being created, shared and used by 
individuals, grassroots organizations, and private corporations. These 
data come with different expectations with regards to how they may be 
used resulting in a hodgepodge of licensing and contractual obligations 
that hinders data interoperability. Mixing data of different provenance 
creates new data with typically more restrictive licensing conditions. 
Public agencies may be unable to mix licensed data with government data 
due to restrictive licensing terms of the resultant dataset, and thus, 
may be unable to capitalize on and benefit from user-generated content.


Workshop Structure
==

The current line-up of speakers from federal, state and local agencies, 
Creative Commons, grassroots agencies, intellectual property lawyers, 
the geospatial industry, and research and academia includes:


* Ed Arabas, National States Geographic Information Council
* Greg Babinski, King County, State of Washington
* Michael Brick, Microsoft Legal, Bing Maps
* Steve Coast, Founder, OpenStreetMap
* Kari Craun, Director, National Geospatial Technical Operations, USGS
* Ed Parsons, Chief Technologist, Google Maps, Google
* Diane Peters, General Counsel, Creative Commons
* Tim Trainor, Bureau Chief, Geography Division, US Census Bureau
* Paul Uhlir, Director, Board on Research Data and Information, National 
Research Council


The format of the workshop will encourage discussion and participation.

Participate
===

To ensure those directly involved in the topic get a chance to attend 
the workshop, attendance is based on a short application form accessible 
at http://punkish.org/geoweb/participate/in_person/index.html. Deadline 
for applying for the workshop is December 18, 2010. Selected applicants 
will be informed by January 15, 2011.


Attendees will also be able to submit longer papers for publication in a 
special issue of the peer-reviewed, completely free and open access 
online journal International Journal of Spatial Data Infrastructure 
Research published by the Joint Research Centre of the European Commission.


Logistics
=

The workshop is organized in conjunction with the AAG annual meeting. 
The workshop will be held on the campus of Microsoft Research, and run 
from 1 PM to 5 PM on Monday, April 11, 2011.


There is no fee for this workshop but participants do have to register 
for the AAG Annual Meeting (This is an AAG requirement). The workshop is 
limited to 50 participants to facilitate discussion.


Contact
===

Please contact either Puneet Kishor, Creative Commons 
[punk...@creativecommons.org] or Barbara Poore, USGS [bspo...@usgs.gov] 
if you have any questions.

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