Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
This is true we should avoid a small group of people push one person into the board.. But.. is also true that we should guarantee a good balance between different ideas and interests.. this is why in major democracies (like the US) also other factors are considered in elections: like geographical representation and weighted balance among different representative of ideas and/or interests... For example: EU needs (INSPIRE) vs NA needs or academic needs vs commercial needs... I know that is already difficult to find out 5 members with time and willing to be in the board but maybe we should give a try to increase the board representativeness... As a concluding note I want to underline that I do not have anything against any of the board members, most of whom I know personally and consider my friends.. this is just my contribution to the discussion... Regards, Maxi On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 25 July 2012 21:23, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote: On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Disadvantages: [...] One member, one candidate, one vote. Amen. There is no need for anyone to show that she shows that she shows, that she prefers one candidate over another. If anyone feels a need to double or even triple expression of her feelings, feel free send the candidate flowers or a box of chocolate, I suppose. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- -- Dr. Eng. Massimiliano Cannata Responsabile Area Geomatica Istituto Scienze della Terra Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana Via Trevano, c.p. 72 CH-6952 Canobbio-Lugano Tel: +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
For what it's worth I really, really, agree with Howard. When things go smoothly it's irrelevant. But it's a huge mess when they don't... Better safe than sorry... Best, Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Howard Butler [mailto:hobu@gmail.com] Enviada: quarta-feira, 25 de Julho de 2012 21:24 Para: osgeo-discuss Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Disadvantages: It allows a small, concentrated, and coordinated group of people to ensure that their one or two preferred candidates make it onto the board without otherwise having broad support of the electorate. After one or two election cycles, the board could be replaced with these selected board members through this effort. Giving a member the ability to give 5 votes to one individual essentially gives them 5x the voting power for an individual candidate, and considering the fact that generally speaking the majority of the electorate doesn't stack their votes, differentially provides them even more voting power. A statistical analysis and simulation of how this weighting works is left to the reader. One member, one candidate, one vote. What is needs of the electorate or board are being served by having our election procedure be something otherwise? Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
I second to Ravi's proposal. Toru Mori OSGeo Japan Chapter On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
Hi all, I do agree with Arnulf on this: changing the rules in the middle of an election and not considering thoroughly the implications of the change is probably problematic. I think we need first to search a bit deeper on what exactly this means, e.g. do we prefer someone on the board that is voted by 8 people or someone strongly supported by one person with 8 votes? Of course this is an extreme case scenario but demonstrates in my view that at least some more consideration is needed ... (on the other hand, this does not imply in any way that the proposal is somewhat wrong or something like that - it is more a matter of preference of the community). Best regards, Dimitris P.S.: I think that it is probably time to remove the FOSS4G 2012 banner from the home page of OSGeo and maybe substitute it with the 2013 event? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
HI, my 2 cents to the discussion... I like the Stefano idea [1] where people can assign preferences and even understanding possible practical issues on changing the rules on the fly, i believe that if the proposal of changing the rules meet a large consensum, it may worth to be applied. Maxi [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Charles Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.eduwrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote: I think we need first to search a bit deeper on what exactly this means, e.g. do we prefer someone on the board that is voted by 8 people or someone strongly supported by one person with 8 votes? Of course this is an extreme case scenario but demonstrates in my view that at least some more consideration is needed ... My wife is an academic who studies and teaches about nonprofit management and governance issues. I'm certain there is some literature out there on various approaches to board election voting rules. I'll see if I can find any that might be informative. Charlie Schweik Associate Professor University of Massachusetts, Amherst Author, Internet Success: A Study of Open Source Software Commons (MIT Press, 2012) - see http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545 Outsmart Invasive Species project: http://masswoods.net/outsmart ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- -- Dr. Eng. Massimiliano Cannata Responsabile Area Geomatica Istituto Scienze della Terra Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana Via Trevano, c.p. 72 CH-6952 Canobbio-Lugano Tel: +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Disadvantages: It allows a small, concentrated, and coordinated group of people to ensure that their one or two preferred candidates make it onto the board without otherwise having broad support of the electorate. After one or two election cycles, the board could be replaced with these selected board members through this effort. Giving a member the ability to give 5 votes to one individual essentially gives them 5x the voting power for an individual candidate, and considering the fact that generally speaking the majority of the electorate doesn't stack their votes, differentially provides them even more voting power. A statistical analysis and simulation of how this weighting works is left to the reader. One member, one candidate, one vote. What is needs of the electorate or board are being served by having our election procedure be something otherwise? Howard signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
On 25 July 2012 21:23, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote: On 2012/07/24, at 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Disadvantages: [...] One member, one candidate, one vote. Amen. There is no need for anyone to show that she shows that she shows, that she prefers one candidate over another. If anyone feels a need to double or even triple expression of her feelings, feel free send the candidate flowers or a box of chocolate, I suppose. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
On 07/23/2012 09:48 PM, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Or use a choice voting system, which means your votes are ranked by preference. There are various ways to then calculate the winners. But this method does require a certain number of votes to work. http://daviswiki.org/choice_voting Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
On 2012/07/24 13:48, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. I strongly support the suggestion made by ex-board member, Ravi Kumar. Best Venka ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
