Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Basques

All, 

Just resurrecting this thread.  It's been 6 months.  I've done a couple of 
little projects with the N900 which are detailed here: 
http://pwultra5.ci.stpaul.mn.us/OPERA/ 

Question to Chris S., do you have any other insights into the directions that 
the N900 device (or others like it) might be taking in the future (that you can 
mention? :c)  I'm setting up some netbooks next for the two projects listed 
above, using essentially the same software stack as used for the N900, which it 
is somewhat amazing when you think about it.  I would still like to revisit the 
Mobile controls issues for OpenLayers and GeoMoose at some point, but focusing 
on flexibility with software stack at the moment. 

Thanks 

bobb 




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On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
 Milo,

 You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
 for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
 focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?

Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely
for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much
other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
Linux Box.

-- Chris, proud owner of an N900

 bobb



  miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

 I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
 for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
 and will try to get it running on meego.

 If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
 feature list, let me know.

 Kind regards,

 Milo van der Linden

 Miguel Montesinos wrote:
  Hello to all,
 
  I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
  Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
  make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
  collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
  perfomance or usability check lists.
 
  Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
  interested?
 
  Regards,
 
  -
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  CTO
  PRODEVELOP, S.L.
  mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
  www.prodevelop.es
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2011-02-14 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:56:14AM -0600, Bob Basques wrote:
 
 All, 
 
 Just resurrecting this thread.  It's been 6 months.  I've done a couple of 
 little projects with the N900 which are detailed here: 
 http://pwultra5.ci.stpaul.mn.us/OPERA/ 
 
 Question to Chris S., do you have any other insights into the directions that
 the N900 device (or others like it) might be taking in the future (that you
 can mention? :c)  

The N900 platform is dead. MeeGo will continue to exist as an open source
development platform, but you're not going to see it on any mass-produced
phones in the near future, based on public statements from Nokia. (I'd
expect numbers similar to the N900; you may see them, but it'll be a toy,
not a commonplace.)

 I'm setting up some netbooks next for the two projects
 listed above, using essentially the same software stack as used for the N900,
 which it is somewhat amazing when you think about it. 

Maemo and MeeGo are definitely interesting platforms, though I don't know if
they're more exciting than other Netbook distros, since I haven't used many
of them. 

 I would still like to revisit the Mobile controls issues for OpenLayers and
 GeoMoose at some point, but focusing on flexibility with software stack at
 the moment. 

There's an OpenLayers sprint for Mobile taking place next week in Lausanne.
If you have things you've thought of, you should share them on the mailing
lists to help support the effort.

-- Chris

 
 Thanks 
 
 bobb 
 
 
 
 
  Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
  Milo,
 
  You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
  for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
  focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?
 
 Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely
 for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
 will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
 SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much
 other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
 Linux Box.
 
 -- Chris, proud owner of an N900
 
  bobb
 
 
 
   miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:
 
  I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
  for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
  and will try to get it running on meego.
 
  If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
  feature list, let me know.
 
  Kind regards,
 
  Milo van der Linden
 
  Miguel Montesinos wrote:
   Hello to all,
  
   I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
   Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
   make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
   collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
   perfomance or usability check lists.
  
   Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
   interested?
  
   Regards,
  
   -
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   CTO
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Basques

Chris, 

Thanks for the info.   I kinda figured the Meego thing was stalling on my own.  
A couple of manufacturers I've seen so far, but no big numbers yet. 

I did send in some notes for the Mobile sprint a couple of weeks ago., never 
heard any comments though, so don't know where they went. 

I think my real question for the long term, is do I stick with Linux and bend 
it to my will  :c) , or go Andriod and/or Mac OS. 

bobb 


 Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:56:14AM -0600, Bob Basques wrote:

 All,

 Just resurrecting this thread.  It's been 6 months.  I've done a couple of 
 little projects with the N900 which are detailed here: 
 http://pwultra5.ci.stpaul.mn.us/OPERA/

 Question to Chris S., do you have any other insights into the directions that
 the N900 device (or others like it) might be taking in the future (that you
 can mention? :c) 

The N900 platform is dead. MeeGo will continue to exist as an open source
development platform, but you're not going to see it on any mass-produced
phones in the near future, based on public statements from Nokia. (I'd
expect numbers similar to the N900; you may see them, but it'll be a toy,
not a commonplace.)

 I'm setting up some netbooks next for the two projects
 listed above, using essentially the same software stack as used for the N900,
 which it is somewhat amazing when you think about it.

Maemo and MeeGo are definitely interesting platforms, though I don't know if
they're more exciting than other Netbook distros, since I haven't used many
of them.

 I would still like to revisit the Mobile controls issues for OpenLayers and
 GeoMoose at some point, but focusing on flexibility with software stack at
 the moment.

There's an OpenLayers sprint for Mobile taking place next week in Lausanne.
If you have things you've thought of, you should share them on the mailing
lists to help support the effort.

-- Chris


 Thanks

 bobb




  Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:


 On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
  Milo,
 
  You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
  for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
  focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?

 Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely
 for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
 will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
 SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much
 other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
 Linux Box.

 -- Chris, proud owner of an N900

  bobb
 
 
 
   miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:
 
  I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
  for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
  and will try to get it running on meego.
 
  If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
  feature list, let me know.
 
  Kind regards,
 
  Milo van der Linden
 
  Miguel Montesinos wrote:
   Hello to all,
  
   I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
   Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
   make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
   collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
   perfomance or usability check lists.
  
   Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
   interested?
  
   Regards,
  
   -
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   CTO
   PRODEVELOP, S.L.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-08 Thread Mr. Geoffrey Y.K. Shea
Hello Miguel, 

I have done some mobile GIS applications on Windows Mobile platform based on 
SQLite and SpatiaLite. I'm interested to share my experience and contribute my 
findings in your compilation for your coming presentation such as GIS feature 
list and performance. 

At the moment I have built a set of DLLs called libMobileGIS to be used on 
Windows Mobile device. This set of DLLs was mentioned sometime ago in the 
following Google discussion group [1] and the binary can be downloaded at [2]. 
I need sometime to tidy up before publishing the modified/edited sources with 
Microsoft VS solution and projects. 

[1] 
http://groups.google.com/group/spatialite-users/browse_thread/thread/fdc0dd434b8d5248#
 

[2] http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~lsykshea/public/spatialite-related/ 

Regards, 

Geoffrey 
---BeginMessage---

Miguel,
I'm excited to hear your presentation was selected. I think there is a 
lot of interest in mobile GIS and seeing an overview of technologies 
will be of great interest to the general community, so I expect you will 
have a large audience to present to.


I saw an interesting presentation from Geoffrey Shea and Professor 
Jiannong Cao at the FIG conference [1]. They have built a mobile 
application based upon open source on a Windows Mobile. I understand 
they have already, or are going to publish their source code as an Open 
Source project.


Geoffrey, Professor Cao,
I wonder whether you would be interested in joining Miguel's comparison 
of GIS Mobile applications?
Also, could you please point us to the location of the code for your 
project. Is it on Google Code or similar?


[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=libmobilegis+fig

On 02/06/10 22:35, Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

Regards,

-
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CTO
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Miguel Montesinos
Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Valenty Gonzalez
Hi Miguel,

I like very much Enebro-2.0 because it work with data base SQLite.
Enebro have too EnebroPC, a desktop interface to convert formats and migrate
data form PC to PDA and viceversa
It's only available for windows and windows mobile.

http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/repositorio/usuario/listado/fichacompleta.jsf?idProyecto=490

Regards,

Valenty

On 2 June 2010 08:05, Miguel Montesinos mmontesi...@prodevelop.es wrote:

 Hello to all,

 I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
 Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
 make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
 collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
 perfomance or usability check lists.

 Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
 interested?

 Regards,

 -
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 CTO
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 mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread miblon
I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build 
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin 
and will try to get it running on meego.


If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your 
feature list, let me know.


Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

Regards,

-
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CTO
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www.prodevelop.es

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Cameron Shorter

Miguel,
I'm excited to hear your presentation was selected. I think there is a 
lot of interest in mobile GIS and seeing an overview of technologies 
will be of great interest to the general community, so I expect you will 
have a large audience to present to.


I saw an interesting presentation from Geoffrey Shea and Professor 
Jiannong Cao at the FIG conference [1]. They have built a mobile 
application based upon open source on a Windows Mobile. I understand 
they have already, or are going to publish their source code as an Open 
Source project.


Geoffrey, Professor Cao,
I wonder whether you would be interested in joining Miguel's comparison 
of GIS Mobile applications?
Also, could you please point us to the location of the code for your 
project. Is it on Google Code or similar?


[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=libmobilegis+fig

On 02/06/10 22:35, Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

Regards,

-
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CTO
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Basques
Milo, 

You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for 
GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you focusing 
your efforts on for MEEGO? 

bobb 



 miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
and will try to get it running on meego.

If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
feature list, let me know.

Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:
 Hello to all,

 I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
 Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
 make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
 collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
 perfomance or usability check lists.

 Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
 interested?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread miblon

Hello Bob!

I started out using moblin as my en route OS of choice. On my asus 
1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on 
bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via 
bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G 
modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up.


My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution 
for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I 
am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours 
has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed 
by nokia.


Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative 
products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has 
nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-)


I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small 
step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks 
like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel. 
Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the 
moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration 
while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah 
when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its OS for kids 
look has to stay in the box a little while longer.


For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop 
replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution. 
But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot, 
the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And 
even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15 or more 
anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm




Bob Basques wrote:


Milo,


You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some 
testing for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of 
functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?



bobb




 miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
and will try to get it running on meego.

If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
feature list, let me know.

Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:
 Hello to all,

 I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
 Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
 make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
 collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
 perfomance or usability check lists.

 Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
 interested?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
 Milo, 
 
 You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
 for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
 focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? 

Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely 
for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much 
other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
Linux Box.

-- Chris, proud owner of an N900

 bobb 
 
 
 
  miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:
 
 I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
 for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
 and will try to get it running on meego.
 
 If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
 feature list, let me know.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Milo van der Linden
 
 Miguel Montesinos wrote:
  Hello to all,
 
  I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
  Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
  make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
  collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
  perfomance or usability check lists.
 
  Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
  interested?
 
  Regards,
 
  -
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  CTO
  PRODEVELOP, S.L.
  mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Basques
Christopher, 

Understood, I went the Linux route on purpose.   

Maemo is fine for the time being.  Everything I need looks be in there already, 
 the Meego stuff just looked interesting, and the fact that someone else was 
talking about it made it even more interesting. 

C:) 

bobb 



 Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
 Milo,

 You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
 for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
 focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?

Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely
for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much
other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
Linux Box.

-- Chris, proud owner of an N900

 bobb



  miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

 I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
 for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
 and will try to get it running on meego.

 If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
 feature list, let me know.

 Kind regards,

 Milo van der Linden

 Miguel Montesinos wrote:
  Hello to all,
 
  I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
  Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
  make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
  collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
  perfomance or usability check lists.
 
  Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
  interested?
 
  Regards,
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Basques
Milo, 

You don't need to convince me on the Open side of things, it's why I chose to 
try out the Nokia.  I'm actually going to buy 3 more of them, if all goes as 
planned, mostly for prototyping and such to build support for follow on work. 

bobb 



 miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

Hello Bob!

I started out using moblin as my en route OS of choice. On my asus
1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on
bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via
bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G
modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up.

My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution
for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I
am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours
has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed
by nokia.

Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative
products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has
nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-)

I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small
step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks
like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel.
Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the
moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration
while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah
when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its OS for kids
look has to stay in the box a little while longer.

For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop
replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution.
But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot,
the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And
even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15 or more
anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm



Bob Basques wrote:

 Milo,


 You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some
 testing for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of
 functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?


 bobb




  miblon mob...@dogodigi.net wrote:

 I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
 for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
 and will try to get it running on meego.

 If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
 feature list, let me know.

 Kind regards,

 Milo van der Linden

 Miguel Montesinos wrote:
  Hello to all,
 
  I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title Comparison of
  Mobile GIS applications. I know some, but I think that the best way to
  make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
  collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
  perfomance or usability check lists.
 
  Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
  interested?
 
  Regards,
 
  -
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  CTO
  PRODEVELOP, S.L.
  mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-19 Thread Rafal Wawer
 can compare 
the current versions of the two leading web map servers. I think making the 
evaluation yourself not only viewing the scores, could be profitable not only 
for us - to know you opinion and improve the method, but for you as well - to 
maybe find missing elements in your software project or gaps in its 
documentation. (-:

Best regards:
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From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
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Sent: 18 February 2010 21:31
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

Stefan Steiniger wrote:
 same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and 
 nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.

Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation made in frame 
of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not, as 
it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and fully objective 
and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-19 Thread Pablo Carreira


Daniel wrote:

 Or we go the other way: you tell us what you're trying to achieve and we 
 tell you which one seems to be the best fit based on our experience.

Thank you very much for the interest. 
1)Here is the scenario:
I work with enviromental services.
I use GRASS+QGIS on windows. 
Small amount of data.
Over high resolution sat images I draw vectors for some planning, the vectors 
have a lot of atributes.
Those vectors have dayli updates.

2)What I want:
Make my work easily avaliable for my teanmates over the internet, so they can 
visualise and query the vectors for the atributes.

I look for a server that is easy to configure and that have some tools like 
zoom, pan and query. 
And the server must show always the latest updates made in the vectors (should 
I put the vectors in postgis?).

Thanks again.
Pablo.

  
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread JOvi
Hello,

I am very new to geoservers and am currently studying GIS info system. I am
wondering whether you could help me getting an overview and comparison of
some of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and Deegree.

I've gone through the documentation of these Servers and the presentation of
FOSS4G conferences. What I've got is that these servers are similar to each
other, regarding the functionality and features. (I am probably wrong about
this). And I still don't help a clear picture of these projects. For
example, what's the strength and weakness of each server in some particular
scenario? Or why would people choose MapServer over GeoServer? I guess I
could never answer these questions without ever using them, right? Could
anyone of you give me some help or tips on this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers,
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Rafal Wawer
Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS project 
- you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16

The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the evaluation 
method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and compare FOSS4G software 
projects.

Best regards:
RAf


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RD Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
Belgium
tel. 0032 16 329731




From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
On Behalf Of JOvi
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:39
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

Hello,

I am very new to geoservers and am currently studying GIS info system. I am 
wondering whether you could help me getting an overview and comparison of some 
of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and Deegree.

I've gone through the documentation of these Servers and the presentation of 
FOSS4G conferences. What I've got is that these servers are similar to each 
other, regarding the functionality and features. (I am probably wrong about 
this). And I still don't help a clear picture of these projects. For example, 
what's the strength and weakness of each server in some particular scenario? Or 
why would people choose MapServer over GeoServer? I guess I could never answer 
these questions without ever using them, right? Could anyone of you give me 
some help or tips on this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Andrea Aime

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16 
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
 
The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
compare FOSS4G software projects.


I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
(even for beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Arnulf Christl (aka Seven)
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
 Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
  Hi Jovi,
  For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
  project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
  http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
   
  http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
   
  The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
  evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
  compare FOSS4G software projects.
 
 I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
 community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
 (even for beginning 2008).
 For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
 was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.
 
 Cheers
 Andrea

Andrea, 
I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This
is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
who will? 

Best regards, 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Rafal Wawer
Hi Andrea,
None of the reports were submitted to any of the communities. We aimed at 
completely independent evaluations and the method itself was designed to enable 
users to perform their own evaluation. We cannot expect users to contact 
communities each time an evaluaiton is performed. (-;
Although in few cases - e.g. Degree we contacted the developers/communities to 
get information we needed for documentation. In many cases the documentation of 
the FOSSG projects was ... Let's say it was very often quite challanging to get 
information we needed. The lacking information was gained through hands-on 
experience.
I would love to discuss the details, but I think the list in not a right place 
for it. Please feel free to send you remarks on my e-mail address: 
rafal.wa...@sadl.kuleuven.be.

Best regards:
Raf

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On Behalf Of Andrea Aime
Sent: 18 February 2010 15:29
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
 Hi Jovi,
 For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
 project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
 http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1
 6Itemid=16 
 http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=
 16Itemid=16
  
 The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
 evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
 compare FOSS4G software projects.

I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer community 
for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report (even for 
beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project was already 
more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Stefan Steiniger
same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and 
nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.


Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote:

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16 
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
 
The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
compare FOSS4G software projects.

I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
(even for beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

Cheers
Andrea


Andrea, 
I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This

is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
who will? 

Best regards, 
Arnulf. 


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Pablo Carreira

Jovi Wrote
(...) help me getting an overview and
comparison of some of the Servers such as MapServer, GeoServer and
Deegree.

what's the strength and
weakness of each server in some particular scenario
I could never answer
these questions without ever using them, right? 

 
I have exactly the same doubts, but for me, a beginer in webmaping, the report 
does not help much.

So, I kindly ask the comunity members for their personal opinion, to point in a 
single line what is the strong and the week point of each of the servers.

For example:
- ServerX. good:Nice results in little time.  Bad:Limited resources.


Regards, Pablo.



 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:23:30 -0700
 From: sst...@geo.uzh.ch
 To: se...@arnulf.us; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison
 CC: 
 
 same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and 
 nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.
 
 Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 15:28 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
  Rafal Wawer ha scritto:
  Hi Jovi,
  For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
  project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
  http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
   
  http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=16Itemid=16
   
  The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
  evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
  compare FOSS4G software projects.
  I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
  community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
  (even for beginning 2008).
  For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
  was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.
 
  Cheers
  Andrea
  
  Andrea, 
  I also noticed some inconsistencies and omissions in that document. This
  is the general problem with canned information that has not been passed
  by the relevant communities. It would be much easier to have this type
  of documents available in an editable format like a Wiki. I wonder why
  OSGeo has not got around to producing something similar? It is obviously
  a hard task but if we (OSGeo folks) do not manage to get it done well,
  who will? 
  
  Best regards, 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Daniel Morissette

Pablo Carreira wrote:


So, I kindly ask the comunity members for their personal opinion, to 
point in a single line what is the strong and the week point of each of 
the servers.




Or we go the other way: you tell us what you're trying to achieve and we 
tell you which one seems to be the best fit based on our experience.


Things we need to know include type and volume of data (raster, vector, 
which formats), server environment (are you restricted by corporate IT 
to something like Windows/IIS or are all options open?), type of app 
(ranging from simple map browsing with push-pins to advanced 
transactional editing and analysis over the Web), expected traffic, ... 
the more details you provide the better advice you will get... help us 
help you.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Stefan Steiniger wrote:
 same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
 nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.

Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
as it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Andrea Aime

Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:

Stefan Steiniger wrote:

same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.


Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
as it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.


Checking open source software against its documentation is like 
evaluating commercial software against the help you can get on

community driven forums (if there are any).

Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
and I won't comment any further.

Cheers
Andrea


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Mauricio Miranda
Andrea,

Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?

I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 21:46 +0100, Andrea Aime wrote:
 Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:
  Stefan Steiniger wrote:
  same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
  nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.
  
  Stefan,
  
  Please try to understand what Rafal says.
  It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
  made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.
  
  There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
  as it would be a never-ending story.
  It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
  It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
  fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
  mindship.
  Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.
  
  The point is to review current status and make it better.
 
 Checking open source software against its documentation is like 
 evaluating commercial software against the help you can get on
 community driven forums (if there are any).
 
 Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
 and I won't comment any further.
 
 Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Mauricio Miranda wrote:

 Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
 comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?

 I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
 very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.

And he denotes...?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Markus Neteler
2010/2/18 Andrea Aime aa...@opengeo.org:
...
 Checking open source software against its documentation

... depends on the project... also remember this:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Library#GFOSS_Books

Plenty of books :)

Markus

 is like evaluating
 commercial software against the help you can get on
 community driven forums (if there are any).

 Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
 and I won't comment any further.

 Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Mauricio Miranda
The guy who started the discussion. Or is she a female? I don't know,
it's the same anyway...

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 22:42 +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
 Mauricio Miranda wrote:
 
  Why don't just let him get access to the MapServer vs Geoserver
  comparative you and Jeff presented at the last FOSS4G conference?
 
  I mean... if he wants to know what is the best option.. that should be a
  very very useful material. He doesn't need a discussion, he needs help.
 
 And he denotes...?
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Mauricio Miranda wrote:
 The guy who started the discussion. Or is she a female? I don't know,
 it's the same anyway...

I mean, you replied under subnode where nobody was referred to, but
evaluation procedures. So, your reference to some person was confusing.
Let's keep the discussion threaded, please.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Open Source Desktop GIS Software

2008-03-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Hi,

For those who do not monitor the Slashgeo, a very detailed and 
interesting comparison of FOSS GIS for desktop has been compiled by 
Stefan Steiniger:


http://www.spatialserver.net/osgis/

References:

http://technology.slashgeo.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/19/1529252
http://freegeographytools.com/2008/feature-comparison-table-for-open-source-gis

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Open Source Desktop GIS Software

2008-03-19 Thread P Kishor
On 3/19/08, Mateusz Loskot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  For those who do not monitor the Slashgeo, a very detailed and
  interesting comparison of FOSS GIS for desktop has been compiled by
  Stefan Steiniger:

  http://www.spatialserver.net/osgis/

Indeed, a commendable compilation. Sure to become a great reference tool.


  References:

  http://technology.slashgeo.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/19/1529252
  
 http://freegeographytools.com/2008/feature-comparison-table-for-open-source-gis

  Greetings

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Open Source Desktop GIS Software

2008-03-19 Thread Gao Ang
Very useful information.
I'm gonna share this link with my classmates and colleagues.
Thanks a lot.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Mateusz Loskot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  For those who do not monitor the Slashgeo, a very detailed and
  interesting comparison of FOSS GIS for desktop has been compiled by
  Stefan Steiniger:

  http://www.spatialserver.net/osgis/

  References:

  http://technology.slashgeo.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/19/1529252
  
 http://freegeographytools.com/2008/feature-comparison-table-for-open-source-gis

  Greetings
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