Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread bpa

A patch file has already been attached to the bug report.  The changes
are a number of small additions/aterations, no major changes.  This
should make them acceptable to the maintainer of SlimTray. 

Before you embark on a C++ version that could replace SlimTray.  Make
sure that in principle Slimserver developers will accept it and
maintain it - otherwise you will become the maintainer - which could be
a chore with Vista. 

A C++ version would have the advantage of being able to provide some
functionality that JJZolx is looking for such as cascading menus which
ActiveState PerlTray does not support.


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[slim] 6.5.2 scans end up with title-less albums

2007-03-02 Thread TimothyB

It seems like every time I try updating Slim Server past 6.3.1, I run
into something that sends me back.

The slimtray was leaking handles so badly it crashed my machine.  I'd
stopped using it until bpa posted a custom one that doesn't do that.

I have almost all my music in FLAC images + cues, none of them would
play - they'd just sit stuck at 0:00.  My couple random MP3s would
play, though.  From trawlling the forums I found out about a 3rd party
socketwrapper.exe.  That let me play my flac files.

Now, I have a scanning issue.  Once the scan is finished, about a dozen
albums - out of 1090 flac/cue pairs - lose the album title.  It's weird
- during the scan, the album The Christmas Rose by Patrick Ball shows
up properly, but by the time the scan finishes, the album title is
gone.

What can I do to diagnose/fix this?

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I installed 5.6.2 (2007-02-28) into a fresh directory.

SlimServer Version: 6.5.2 - 11542 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252
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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Peter
Michael Herger wrote:
 Please search the forum for Sonos. You'll find plenty of discussions of  
 this topic.

   
 I am particularly impressed with the Sonos hand held
 controller, as using a conventional remote control is not that
 appealing and the user interface seems very important.
 

 I think it comes down to:

 Sonos:
 + simpler to set up
 + sexy controller
 + DRM support(?)
 - closed system
 - expensive
 - you need that expensive controller to control your device without  
 computer

 SlimDevices:
 + no compromise on quality
 + very open and flexible (plugins, developpers listening to the community,  
 no closed networking etc.)
 + great display
 + great community :-)
 - no support for DRMed files
 - no two way remote control besides the web interface (not an issue for  
 many)
 - less sex appeal (remote, web interface)

 But then I don't know the Sonos...
   

Still it's a pity. If there were a sexy 2 way controller option that 
comparison would look so much better, wouldn't it?

What I would find most annoying is the need to keep these things charged 
up all the time. Yeah, I know, just put it in the cradle. I'd like to 
avoid adding 4 cradles and wall warts to my living space (I hate the 
friggin' things). How's that wireless power coming along anyway...?

With the simple SD remote control setup, I can now control all my A/V 
devices (SB3/TV/MythTV) with one Logitech universal remote control and I 
don't even have to switch from one layout to another. That's the kind of 
simplicity I like.

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Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread ceejay

One more test data point for you:

I hadn't noticed any particular issues with slimtray but reading this
thread got me interested enough to look.  My handle count was
approaching 1.5M.  I can't now remember the memory usage but I don't
think it was excessive - 12M?

SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10440 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252
Win XP Pro SP2
Manual start for slimserver using Slimtray.
Port 9000

I've downloaded the patched Slimtray and it seems to be fine - handles
steady at 75, nothing obviously broken. Memory usage now 6.6M.

Ceejay.


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Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread bpa

The patch file has been assigned to Dan to review but I think he is on
vacation so if accepted it may be a while before any changes may appear
in the nightlies.


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Herger
 Still it's a pity. If there were a sexy 2 way controller option that
 comparison would look so much better, wouldn't it?

 From the rest of your response it looks as if it wouldn't...

 What I would find most annoying is the need to keep these things charged
 up all the time.

Two way communication will consume a lot more than simple IR remotes do.  
I'm pretty sure that cool sonos controller will spend a lot of time on a  
charging station.

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Re: [slim] Weird Vista problem

2007-03-02 Thread jonheal

haunyack;184736 Wrote: 
 jon,
 fart-facedness and arse-ness ... I'm not immune as well.
 
 Shouldn't have jabbed you about your avatar, really is quite a darling
 photo.
 Care to share the identity of that adorable child?

Well, the child is not that adorable. It's me. :-)


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Peter
Michael Herger wrote:
 Still it's a pity. If there were a sexy 2 way controller option that
 comparison would look so much better, wouldn't it?
 

  From the rest of your response it looks as if it wouldn't...
   

Yeah, it's like a stream of consciousness post. ;)

   
 What I would find most annoying is the need to keep these things charged
 up all the time.
 

 Two way communication will consume a lot more than simple IR remotes do.  
 I'm pretty sure that cool sonos controller will spend a lot of time on a  
 charging station.
   

Nevertheless, it's clear that lots of people choose Sonos over SB 
because of the Sonos remote. It would be nice for SD (and for us) if 
they could beat the Sonos on its most valued selling point. I might even 
buy one myself, I guess I could put up with one more cradle.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Herger
 Nevertheless, it's clear that lots of people choose Sonos over SB
 because of the Sonos remote.

One other advantage of Slim Devices I mentioned was the developpers  
listening to their customers... There's hope!

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Re: [slim] Audio-Snobs

2007-03-02 Thread probedb

haunyack;184036 Wrote: 
 Old post's are off limits now?

Never said that but being as the original poster basically was slagging
people off then I just thought it odd to raise it back when the original
poster probably no longer even posts.

That's all.


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread ds2021

Michael Herger;184847 Wrote: 
 Please search the forum for Sonos. 
 ...
 Sonos:
 ...
 + DRM support(?)
 

The Sonos does not appear to support iTunes purchased tracks. From
their site:

**Tracks purchased from iTunes Music Store are DRM restricted and not
compatible with Sonos.


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Herger
 The Sonos does not appear to support iTunes purchased tracks. From
 their site:

iTunes isn't the only source of DRMed media. They support the MS flavour  
of things.

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[slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread jezbo

Am I right in saying that when your songs are on a network drive and not
on the same PC, SlimServer can ONLY deal with UNC paths
(//qnap/Public/music) and NOT drive mappings (H:/music). Certainly it
wont accept the H:/ form for the Music Folder in Server Settings
(reports Oops - H:/music doesn't seem to be a valid directory. Try
again.), and it doesn't seem to recognise the songs of this form when
reading an iTunes library.

Problem is I want to use the iTunes library as the source for the
SlimServer database, and that doesn't seem to like UNC paths (does work
but very slow to add new songs).


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Nikhil

Sparky;184842 Wrote: 
 
 I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who has tried both.  
 
 Thanks, Sparky


They are both awesome, and they happily coexist side by side in my
home.

Here's something I wrote about a year ago. Most of it still holds true,
but I would be happy to elaborate on any particular aspects if you'd
like

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23490


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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread Nikhil

jezbo;184886 Wrote: 
 Am I right in saying that when your songs are on a network drive and not
 on the same PC, SlimServer can ONLY deal with UNC paths
 (//qnap/Public/music) and NOT drive mappings (H:/music). Certainly it
 wont accept the H:/ form for the Music Folder in Server Settings
 (reports Oops - H:/music doesn't seem to be a valid directory. Try
 again.),
 

I'm not sure about the mapped drive thing  but one possible reason
might be that you are using a '/' instead of a '\' ... so for Windows
systems you should try 'H:\Music' or 'H:\\Music' (For some reason I
can't remember which one is correct at the moment - though I'm leaning
towards the first one)

Edit: If you navigate to the folder containing the music in windows
explorer, and if you have your path set to display in the address bar,
you can simply copy and paste the path


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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread jezbo

I did try both forms, / and \, but I could not get it to recognise drive
mapping paths. BUT it does now! Does it depend on the setting
Automatically run at login?, since I turned this on and now drive
mappings seem to be accepted. Would make sense, since it's the user
login that sets up the drive mappings, not the machine startup.


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread maggior

w4rren;184755 Wrote: 
 I was told many years ago to keep the cable length of each speaker
 approximately the same. I wouldn’t consider myself obsessive but I like
 to get the best setup possible for the system I have. Unfortunately I
 have to put one speaker next to the amp, and the other at the opposite
 end of patio doors. Can anyone verify if there’s a noticeable sound
 delay before I slice my speaker wires?

This reminds me of the last time I went to Radio Shack to purchase
speaker wire.  The man behind the cash register reminded me to cut my
speaker wire to identical lengths for each speaker.  I immediately
thought to myself huh!?!?!?.  So I asked him why (playing dumb).  He
replied in a very serious and condescending tone because of the speed
of sound, you don't want to introduce delays in one speaker.  My jaw
dropped.  Was this guy pulling my leg?  I bit my tongue and decided not
to engage him in a discussion about how electromagnetic energy travels
at the speed of light and NOT the speed of sound. :-).


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Re: [slim] Weird Vista problem

2007-03-02 Thread ModelCitizen

jonheal;184864 Wrote: 
 Well, the child is not that adorable. It's me. :-)
You're very advanced for your age.
MC


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Re: [slim] Can't Get Rid of music from shortcut

2007-03-02 Thread gdpeck

One of the folders I deleted completely from the hard drive in on my
windows xp slimserver machine, is now being added back to the database.
There is no music there, so nothing plays, but it shows up when I
browse. Also I'm having a terrible time getting cover art to show up
now. This all seems to have to do with moved files. Could somebody
please tell me how to remove all traces of slimserver and it's database
and just start over. I thought that I had done that, but I can't see
where this stuff is coming from in the file system. Why can't
slimserver just search the path I specify and leave everything else
alone?


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread ModelCitizen

I've just dug out one of my NAIM (www.naim-audio.com) manuals which
clearly states that the cables should be of the same length and under
3m long. They should also be made by NAIM.  :-/
MC


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread cliveb

ModelCitizen;184930 Wrote: 
 I've just dug out one of my NAIM (www.naim-audio.com) manuals which
 clearly states that the cables should be of the same length and under
 3m long. They should also be made by NAIM.  :-/
 MC
Surely that should be *over* 3m long? Naim power amps rely on the
inductance of the cable to prevent them going unstable. (Either that,
or Naim would like to sell more speaker cable :-)


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread snarlydwarf

Michael Herger;184878 Wrote: 
 
 iTunes isn't the only source of DRMed media. They support the MS
 flavour of things.
 

Only the PlaysForSure flavor of things, not the Zune flavor...


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Re: [slim] Bye bye Squeeze Box, sob, sob, sniff, sniff...

2007-03-02 Thread mflint

ModelCitizen;184589 Wrote: 
 Check that it has the correct mac address. Sometimes Squeezebox's lose
 their correct Mac address and then you get exactly what you're
 descibing.
 I assume you've already factory reset it.
 MC
I had exactly that problem with my SB2. The wireless appeared to be
faulty, but in fact the Mac address had changed to FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
and my wireless router had Mac address filtering turned on...

Easily fixed, but I was concerned for a while!

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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread MeSue

jezbo;184907 Wrote: 
  Does it depend on the setting Automatically run at login?, since I
 turned this on and now drive mappings seem to be accepted. 

That's right... and I think it is new since 6.5.1. Before that, I don't
think Slimserver could use network drives by a mapped latter at all.


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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread kdf
Quoting MeSue [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 jezbo;184907 Wrote:
  Does it depend on the setting Automatically run at login?, since I
 turned this on and now drive mappings seem to be accepted.

 That's right... and I think it is new since 6.5.1. Before that, I don't
 think Slimserver could use network drives by a mapped latter at all.

Slimserver could always do it, but was always a manual effort, either  
tweaking the service to run as a user, or running slimserver.pl after  
logging in.

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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread MeSue

kdf;184949 Wrote: 
 
 
 Slimserver could always do it, but was always a manual effort, either
 tweaking the service to run as a user, or running slimserver.pl after
 logging in.
 
 -kdf

Well, I'm very glad they simplified it!


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Re: [slim] UNC paths and NOT drive mappings ?

2007-03-02 Thread oreillymj

By the way, it's not that Slimserver won't do it
No Windows service will communicate with a mapped drive by it's drive
letter if you use the local system account.

That's a Windows limitation. You can either go with UNC's or change the
Windows service to run under you login.

From a performance POV, there's probably no difference between a drive
mapping and a UNC.

For more info see
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/180362/


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread TimothyB

w4rren;184785 Wrote: 
 thanks all, i will start cutting

Likely you've already given your cables a vasectomy, but why not just
coil one up behind the amp?  That's what I did.

-- Timothy

(who on repainting the living room is likely to put in that funky
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[slim] Sky Radio

2007-03-02 Thread madsk

Hi folks
I have bought acces to sky radio premium,but cant figure out to connect
my squezzebox to the links they provide for instance:
http://www.sky.fm/listen/tophits/128k.asx
Can anuone help me?

Regards Mads.


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Re: [slim] Live Music Archive Question

2007-03-02 Thread Chop

danaronson;184172 Wrote: 
 looks like a bug, file a bug report.
 
 --dan

And how does one do that?

I went to Bugzilla and tried to create a new account but kept receiving
an error message.  

Sorry for the ignorance, I'm not a frequent visitor here.

Thanks


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread SuperQ

TimothyB;184962 Wrote: 
 Likely you've already given your cables a vasectomy, but why not just
 coil one up behind the amp?  That's what I did.
 
 -- Timothy
 
 (who on repainting the living room is likely to put in that funky
 baseboard that can hide the speaker wires)

just as long as you don't coil it around a ferrous rod.  You don't want
any more inductors in the circuit. :-D


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Runner400

snarlydwarf;184938 Wrote: 
 Only the PlaysForSure flavor of things, not the Zune flavor...

Actually Sonos does support Zune Marketplace tracks.


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Re: [slim] Bye bye Squeeze Box, sob, sob, sniff, sniff...

2007-03-02 Thread SuperQ

mflint;184941 Wrote: 
 I had exactly that problem with my SB2. The wireless appeared to be
 faulty, but in fact the Mac address had changed to FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
 and my wireless router had Mac address filtering turned on...
 
 Easily fixed, but I was concerned for a while!
 
 Matthew

eep.. that's a bad MAC to fail to!  you don't want a real device
pretending to be broadcast.

I'm not sure how most DHCP servers would accept FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF as a
valid client MAC.


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[slim] Can slimserver stream Abacast internet radio?

2007-03-02 Thread wnshall

Hi,

Recently a number of radiostations I listen to have started using
Abacast to stream their content.  This requires downloading a helper
application, and defaults to using windows media player to play the
stream.  They claim to be able to get higher quality streams because
they use the your computer to stream the content to other players. 
Anyway, the question is can slimserver play these streams?

-Steve


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread aubuti

Paul_B;184415 Wrote: 
 I have run the following command against my collection of 5,000 songs:
 
 scanner --wipe --cleanup --d_info --d_server --d_scan
 \\ip-address\public\music
I've used a similar approach along with the linux `time' command to
record scanning times under linux. Is there a DOS/Win equivalent to
`time'? And no, I don't mean the DOS command that tells you what time
it is, but one that tells you how long it takes to execute a given
command.  Thanks.


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread jonheal

aubuti;184978 Wrote: 
 I've used a similar approach along with the linux `time' command to
 record scanning times under linux. Is there a DOS/Win equivalent to
 `time'? And no, I don't mean the DOS command that tells you what time
 it is, but one that tells you how long it takes to execute a given
 command.  Thanks.

I guess you could get the system time before and after running the scan
from a batch file.
time /T C:\results.txt
scanner --wipe --cleanup --d_info --d_server --d_scan
\\ip-address\public\music
time /T C:\results.txt


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread Paul_B

Two options is run a from a batch file and echo time before and after.

If you aren't echoing anything to screen then you can change the
command prompt with:

prompt $T $P$G


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Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread ceejay

Further update: although the number of handles is certainly stable it
does look as if there are some memory leaks here.  I've left my server
running for 10 hours since restarting it this morning - nothing
playing, no activity anywhere, and the memory usage has gone from:

Slimserver: 76,460k to 93,208k
Slimtray: 6,672k to 7,952k

Ceejay


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Re: [slim] How would you like to select which music to play ?

2007-03-02 Thread mecouc

I'd like to be able, when I hear a certain track, to be able to either
tag it or add it to an arbitrary other playlist, so if I think ooh,
that would be good to play at our party or I must play this to Bob I
can find it again ten days later when I suddenly think what was that
track I wanted to play to Bob?


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Re: [slim] How would you like to select which music to play ?

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Laplante

Sort of what I was driving at too.

-Chris

On 3/2/07, mecouc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



I'd like to be able, when I hear a certain track, to be able to either
tag it or add it to an arbitrary other playlist, so if I think ooh,
that would be good to play at our party or I must play this to Bob I
can find it again ten days later when I suddenly think what was that
track I wanted to play to Bob?


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread ModelCitizen

cliveb;184933 Wrote: 
 Surely that should be *over* 3m long?
Yup, you're right... which is odd... as NAIM excel at selling you yet
more bits... so it's surprising to see them miss a trick with speaker
cable.
MC


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Re: [slim] How would you like to select which music to play ?

2007-03-02 Thread azinck3

mecouc;184989 Wrote: 
 I'd like to be able, when I hear a certain track, to be able to either
 tag it or add it to an arbitrary other playlist, so if I think ooh,
 that would be good to play at our party or I must play this to Bob I
 can find it again ten days later when I suddenly think what was that
 track I wanted to play to Bob?

You could use the zapped playlist for this functionality.  It's
really just a good way to kind of informally bookmark tracks--it
needn't be used for zapping.


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[slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Meyer
I have been running Slimserver 6.5.2 using Perl interpreted via ActiveState 
Perl (WinXP) verison 5.8.8.819.

Due to recent problems with music playback stopping randomly between tracks, I 
decided to try updating to 5.8.8.820, in case this improved things.

However, I am finding that Perl crashes frequently when using the WebUI.

Is there a specific version of ActiveState Perl that is recommended for 
Slimserver?

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Re: [slim] Bye bye Squeeze Box, sob, sob, sniff, sniff...

2007-03-02 Thread ModelCitizen

mflint;184941 Wrote: 
 I had exactly that problem with my SB2, unique country homebut in fact
 the Mac address had changed to FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF and my wireless router
 had Mac address filtering turned on...
 Easily fixed, but I was concerned for a while!
 Matthew
Mine hadn't changed to that address but I did not have mac address
filtering turned on and still the symptoms were exactly the same... I
wouldn't have believed it if it had not happened at least three times
in the last couple of years.
MC


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Nostromo

The DRM thing isn't a big deal. I bought some tracks on iTMS and play
them on my Squeezebox. You just have to burn them on CD and them rip
them in FLAC. Its easy and perfectly legal. 

I never tried the SONOS remote. It looks nice, but I'm not sure its
better than the Squeezebox's remote. Its sexier and it displays album
art. Which is nice. But its too big and not as functional as
Squeezebox's remote. I'm sure I can find tracks a lot faster with my
remote than a SONOS remote. In part thanks to the Lazy search plugins. 

And, one of SONOS models doesn't have a digital out, IIRC. So you're
basically stuck with the DAC that comes with it.


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Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread bpa

Curious observation.  I'm trying to sort out a socketwrapper issue but I
couldn't get DEBUGPIPE debug output when running 6.5.2 so I installed
6.5.0.

I now get debug output and also SlimTray doesn't leak handles
AND it is only 5.8Mbytes in size.  So it looks like the memory
leak and size has also something to do with build option in 6.5.1
onwards. 

Ceejay,
I've seem memory allocatyion go up when Slimserver was running and it
does down when slimserver is stopped but I didn't do anuy long term
test. If you want you can run Sysinternals Handles app - if handles are
leaking it will tell what handles are being held by the service and
identify them.


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Re: [slim] How would you like to select which music to play ?

2007-03-02 Thread Listener

 1. How do you select which music to play today ?
 (Browse, Search, Random, Smart playlists, other?)

I browse by a series of tags.  Most commonly (for classical music),
Genre, Composer, Album (Work name) and then Artist (performer.) 
Sometimes I have to finally select a particular version (mono, stereo,
rematering version).

Sometimes by Genre, Composer, Artist, Work Name.

Sometimes by Genre, Sub-genre, Composer, Work Name, Artist.

For other kinds of music, I use simpler orders of tgs.  However, for
old broadway standards, I start with Composer then Artist and then Song
name.  Or Song then artist.

That's what I do in J. River Media Center 12.  The browse panes (lists)
for all these tags are on the PC screen so I select tag values in the
order I want.

I'd like to do the same thing in a PC interface to Slimserver.  On the
SB display, I want to select one tag value and then a value for another
tag.

 2. How would you like to select which music to play 
 in the future ?

In addition to the above, I'd sometimes like for SS to pick at random,
playing all tracks of a single performance of a single work.  No single
tag is sufficient to specify all tracks of a single performance.

I'd like to tag my music files with whatever tags I want and then use
those tags to select music files to be played.

 - Do you like to be in control your self where you manually 
 select exactly which song to play and in which order to 
 play them ?

Most of the time.

 - If you like to be in control yourself do you do this by 
 creating a number of static playlists that you use later 
 or do you like to browse/search for the exact artist/song 
 every time ?

I browse every time.

 - Do only like to use browsing functions or only search 
 functions or both ?

On MC 12, 95% browse, 5% search.

 - Do you base the selection on what to play next on the 
 currently playing song/artist ?

Mostly not.

 - Do you want the system to automatically select music for 
 you ? 

Sometimes. If it does it right.

 - If you want the system to select music for you, 
 which type of logic should it base the selection on ? 
 Do you want it to be totally random or should it do 
 some more clever things ?

It should not be stupid like playing fragments of multi-track works
unless I say that is OK.

I should be able to specify Genre, sub-genre, Composer and such. I
should able to specify a smart playlist without writing code.

 - Do you want to system to automatically suggest music 
 but still have the control to select exactly which 
 of the suggestions to play ? 
 What logic or information shall the suggestions be 
 based on ?

Not iterested.

 - Do you want the selection to be based on other peoples 
 listening habits or just your own ? For example by using 
 information from LastFM/Amazon.com and similar sites for 
 the automatic selection ?

Heavens, NO!


I'm impressed with your work so far.  I'm very disappointed that the
developers of SlimServer have done nothing to make SS/SB itself usable
for classical music in a year plus and according to the roadmap don't
intend to in the next major release.

Bill


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread aubuti

jonheal;184335 Wrote: 
 My money is on similar times for both OSs.
Certainly not if count how long it took me to figure out how to get
slimserver on Windows read the library on my NAS!! But if you don't
count that, Win2K was about 40% slower to scan than Ubuntu. 

Server hardware: Dell P3 500MHz with 256MB RAM, 
NAS hardware: Buffalo LinkStation HD-HG250LAN
Network: 100Mbs ethernet through a Netgear WGR614v3 router
Slimserver: Slimserver 6.5.1 (official release)
Library:  298 albums | 3848 songs | 228 artists (mostly FLAC)

The Dell is a low horsepower machine, but in neither case did it have
to start swapping to virtual memory. In each case there was nothing
else major running on the machine while it was scanning. Scanning times
are

Windows 2000/SP4: 17:53 (mm:ss)
(command: scanner --wipe --d_server --priority=0 M:\

Ubuntu 6.06: 12:48
(command: time /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/slimserver/scanner.pl
--prefsfile=/etc/slimserver.pref --priority=0 --wipe --d_server)

And for comparison, running on the LinkStation itself (running Debian,
128MB RAM and 266MHz PPC): 36:03


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Peter
Nostromo wrote:
 The DRM thing isn't a big deal. I bought some tracks on iTMS and play
 them on my Squeezebox. You just have to burn them on CD and them rip
 them in FLAC. Its easy and perfectly legal. 
   

No big deal, just don't buy into DRM.

 I never tried the SONOS remote. It looks nice, but I'm not sure its
 better than the Squeezebox's remote. Its sexier and it displays album
 art. Which is nice. But its too big and not as functional as
 Squeezebox's remote. I'm sure I can find tracks a lot faster with my
 remote than a SONOS remote. In part thanks to the Lazy search plugins. 
   

I played with it in a store once. It is pretty nice. Big advantage is 
that it saves you from having to read the display from a long distance. 
Now, the SB3 display is great and pretty large, but if you have a large 
room it's still hard or even impossible to read. So if I want to control 
my SB from the dinner table I'll have to use my laptop at the moment 
which is not ideal. I hope the Nokia E90 I'm buying next will work well 
with the Nokia 770 skin so I'll be able to use that. Keyboard only, 
though, so it won't be ideal either.
 And, one of SONOS models doesn't have a digital out, IIRC. So you're
 basically stuck with the DAC that comes with it.
   

I can imagine that would be a problem for some people, but I'm not one 
of them...

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread JJZolx

aubuti;184978 Wrote: 
 I've used a similar approach along with the linux `time' command to
 record scanning times under linux. Is there a DOS/Win equivalent to
 `time'? And no, I don't mean the DOS command that tells you what time
 it is, but one that tells you how long it takes to execute a given
 command.  Thanks.

Run the scan from a batch file.  You could use this to get the elapsed
time:


Code:


  @echo off  setlocal enableextensions
  call :getTime StartTime
  *** do your thing here ***
  call :getTime StopTime
  call :elapsedTime %StartTime% %StopTime% ElapsedTime
  call :formatTime %ElapsedTime% Elapsed
  echo Elapsed Time (hh:mm:ss): %Elapsed%
  goto :eof
  
  :: Return current time in 100ths of seconds
  :getTime
  for /f tokens=1-4 delims=:., %%T in (%time%) do (
  set /a %1=%%T*36+%%U*6000+%%V*100+%%W
  )
  goto :eof
  
  :: Calculate the difference between two times
  :elapsedTime
  :: account for passing midnight
  if %2 lss %1 set /a %2+=864
  set /a %3=%2-%1
  goto :eof
  
  :: Format a time period into hours:minutes:seconds.hundredths
  :formatTime
  setlocal enableextensions
  set /a hr=(%1)/36
  set /a mn=(%1-36*%hr%)/6000
  set /a sc=(%1-36*%hr%-6000*%mn%)/100
  set /a hu=%1-36*%hr%-6000*%mn%-%sc%*100
  set hr=0%hr%
  set mn=0%mn%
  set sc=0%sc%
  set hu=0%hu%
  endlocalset %2=%hr:~-2%:%mn:~-2%:%sc:~-2%.%hu:~-2%
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Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge

2007-03-02 Thread JJZolx

bpa;185002 Wrote: 
 Curious observation.  I'm trying to sort out a socketwrapper issue but I
 couldn't get DEBUGPIPE debug output when running 6.5.2 so I installed
 6.5.0.
 
 I now get debug output and also SlimTray doesn't leak handles
 AND it is only 5.8Mbytes in size.  So it looks like the memory
 leak and size has also something to do with build option in 6.5.1
 onwards.

There were large changes made in 6.5.1 to SlimTray.  See the weirdness
here:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4318

Supposedly this was a 'blocker' to the 6.5.1 release, but it's still
open and hasn't had a comment in more than a month.  The impression I
get from reading that bug report is that the changes are still pretty
much in the experimental stage.


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread bpa

It would be interesting to run netstat before and after a scan to get
TCP statistics to see if there is any significant difference in the
volume and/or type of network traffic between a Linux scan and a
Windows scan.


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread Triode

Doesn't running the scanner with --progress give you timing info for dos
and windows?


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread jonheal

aubuti;185006 Wrote: 
 Certainly not if count how long it took me to figure out how to get
 slimserver on Windows read the library on my NAS!! But if you don't
 count that, Win2K was about 40% slower to scan than Ubuntu. 
 
 Server hardware: Dell P3 500MHz with 256MB RAM, 
 NAS hardware: Buffalo LinkStation HD-HG250LAN
 Network: 100Mbs ethernet through a Netgear WGR614v3 router
 Slimserver: Slimserver 6.5.1 (official release)
 Library:  298 albums | 3848 songs | 228 artists (mostly FLAC)
 
 The Dell is a low horsepower machine, but in neither case did it have
 to start swapping to virtual memory. In each case there was nothing
 else major running on the machine while it was scanning. Scanning times
 are
 
 Windows 2000/SP4: 17:53 (mm:ss)
 (command: scanner --wipe --d_server --priority=0 M:\
 
 Ubuntu 6.06: 12:48
 (command: time /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/slimserver/scanner.pl
 --prefsfile=/etc/slimserver.pref --priority=0 --wipe --d_server)
 
 And for comparison, running on the LinkStation itself (running Debian,
 128MB RAM and 266MHz PPC): 36:03

I guess I would expect it to be a little slower on windows since it's
dealing with a non-native file system. It would be interesting to see
if the difference is linear with larger collections.


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Re: [slim] Playing m4a files on squeezebox

2007-03-02 Thread hdarwen

SteveEast;184590 Wrote: 
 None of this should be necessary if you aren't doing bit rate limiting.
 
 Steve.


I thought you at least had to have quick time installed?


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread aubuti

Thanks for the timing tips under DOS. I was wondering if there was
something better than the [time / scan / time] batch file kludge, but
for these purposes that's good enough. Actually, the times I reported
above are the differences between the first and last lines that scanner
reports with --d_server, e.g., 

2007-03-02 12:03:08.4935 SlimServer OSDetect init...
2007-03-02 12:15:56.3895 SlimServer scanner cleaning up.

FWIW, Ubuntu's `time' command reported that as 12m51.089s for 'real'
time, so reading off the debug output only cuts a few seconds from the
truth.


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Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows

2007-03-02 Thread aubuti

jonheal;185038 Wrote: 
 I guess I would expect it to be a little slower on windows since it's
 dealing with a non-native file system. It would be interesting to see
 if the difference is linear with larger collections.
The NAS is mounted on the Ubuntu system using smbfs, so there's still a
translation layer going on there. And I agree that it would be
interesting to if the difference is larger or smaller with bigger
collections.


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Re: [slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Meyer
However, I am finding that Perl crashes frequently when using the WebUI.
Seems to be due to the ntdll.dll (windows system dll).  I've tried disabling 
Data Execution Prevention, but still get the crash.

I've uninstalled Perl, and reinstalled the previous version, but still get the 
crash as soon as I start any web browser.

Any ideas?


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread Ron Olsen

The main issues with speaker wire:

1. Wire diameter. If your wire lengths are 5 feet or less, 16-gauge
wire is fine; for longer runs, 12 gauge is better.

2. Keep the wire lengths as short as possible.

AntiCables states that the distortion caused by the  dielectric effect
of speaker wire gets worse with increased length, but with their wires,
you can run different lengths since they have little dielectric (and
their wires have low resistance and inductance). See
http://www.anticables.com/faq.html#6 for details.

See http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm and
http://theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_16_r.pdf for
interesting discussions of the factors involved in choosing the right
speaker wire.


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[slim] Help with some debugging please!

2007-03-02 Thread nicketynick

Hi,
My Slimserver has picked up the habit of just stopping for no apparent
reason. I can re-start it from the slimtray with no problems
whatsoever, though. I think it might have to do with some plugins I've
been playing around with lately, namely Fileviewer.pm, SaverSwitcher.pm
(which I had trouble installing, so maybe there is still something funny
going on?), or possibly lastfm, although I think this one was running
for quite a while without causing trouble.  Can anybody direct me to
which debugging routine might provide an indication of what is going on
that causes the server to stop?

Thanks,

Nick


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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread Pat Farrell
Ron Olsen wrote:
 1. Wire diameter. If your wire lengths are 5 feet or less, 16-gauge
 wire is fine; for longer runs, 12 gauge is better.

12 gauge is good for 20 amps.
What speakers need 20 amps? what speakers can even live with 20 amps of 
current?

Unless my arithmetic is faulty, driving a 8 ohm load, you need to
have 160 volts to generate 20 AMPs, which is 3200 watts.

While some monster amps will provide that much power for a second,
the typical 100 watt amp is only going to provide 2.5 amps.

12 gauge is what a monster amp needs from the wall output (or mains).

Seems likely to be overkill for speaker wires. IMHO.

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Re: [slim] Speaker wires identical length?

2007-03-02 Thread jacabo

. which is why i love coming to these boards!

geek on!

-JAC


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Re: [slim] Help with some debugging please!

2007-03-02 Thread kdf
Quoting nicketynick  
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Can anybody direct me to
 which debugging routine might provide an indication of what is going on
 that causes the server to stop?

If you are on Windows, check the Event Viewer for information about  
the crash: start-settings=control panel-administration tools

to dig further, stop the server and open a command prompt:

start-programs-accessories-command prompt.  run the following:

c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe --d_plugins --d_source

That will show you plugin and playback activity so that you have some  
idea of what the server is doing when it stops, as well as any  
messages that can't be trapped by the event viewer.

if you aren't on windows, then skip the event viewer and open a  
command-line, running slimserver.pl --d_plugins --d_source instead.

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Re: [slim] Mac Mini, iTunes and cover art

2007-03-02 Thread Anne

Really strange. Normally, when the album is up in ITunes, if one ticks
all songs, right click, then ITunes ask if you want to edit all the
songs. click yes and a frame comes up with info , and a little window
for the picture. When you glue a picture in here and click ok ITunes
will transfer this picture to each track and it takes a little while
for it to do so.
This it just wont do with Brothers In Arms and A Day Without Rain and I
just dont get it why not.
Its possible to put the album picture in the normal way, in the left
hand corner in the library when album is up, and the picture shows
perfectly in ITunes, but not in SS.


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread Listener

The Sonos remote allows for displaying 9 or 10 lines in addition to the
menu and status lines at the top and bottom.  That gives you a much
better view into your files than a single line on the SB remote.

I can't imagine preferring a 2 line display to a 11-12 line display.

Bill


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Re: [slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread JJZolx

I've been running 5.8.7.813 for quite a while with no issues.

http://downloads.activestate.com/ActivePerl/Windows/5.8/


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos

2007-03-02 Thread 2eleven

I looked at both products for a long time before buying 4 squeezeboxen
for my house. The Sonos remote was the only thing I felt they did
better, and really only for the ipod-like scroll wheel. The display
isn't the best in the world, though it is nice. The scroll wheel is a
god-send for people with large music collections.

That said, the Squeezebox is one of those golden products I've bought
where it has worked exactly as advertised. I have found minimal bugs -
it just works really well. The one time I ran across a bug that was an
issue for me, I poked through the open source slimserver code, found
the bug, and fixed it with the help of the great folks on the developer
forum. I am more than convinced that I made the right decision with the
Squeezebox.

Hope that helps,

John


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Re: [slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Herger
 I have been running Slimserver 6.5.2 using Perl interpreted via  
 ActiveState Perl (WinXP) verison 5.8.8.819.

I've been on the same build since december 06. No problem.

 However, I am finding that Perl crashes frequently when using the WebUI.

Do you see any error message on the console or in the event viewer? I  
doubt this is a pure perl problem.

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Re: [slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Meyer
Do you see any error message on the console or in the event viewer? I  
doubt this is a pure perl problem.

All I see is:

Faulting application perl.exe, version 5.8.8.819, faulting module 
ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.2180, fault address 0x1095.

A google for ntdll.dll indicates that many people have application crashes due 
to maybe a buffer overrun in this ntdll.dll windows system dll.  I tried 
turning off Data Executation Protection, but still got the crash.

This morning I removed all third-party plugins, including a MHCPAN folder that 
was in my plugins folder that contained some HTML perl modules (I vaguely 
remember having to install that for a plugin to work).

I restarted slimserver and can now use the web UI again.  Haven't tried putting 
plugins back yet though.

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Re: [slim] What is the best version of ActiveState Perl to use

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Herger
 This morning I removed all third-party plugins, including a MHCPAN  
 folder that was in my plugins folder that contained some HTML perl  
 modules (I vaguely remember having to install that for a plugin to work).

I have a vague idea why you installed them - I kind of remember what MH is  
standing for ;-). They might indeed be the cause of your problems: they  
include binary modules for perl and where taken from an earlier version.  
Possible there was version conflict in one of them.

 I restarted slimserver and can now use the web UI again.  Haven't tried  
 putting plugins back yet though.

I'd be interested to know whether MHCPAN is causing the problems. Could  
you please just put it back into the plugins folder and see, what happens?  
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[slim] Titles doubled

2007-03-02 Thread michel

Titles one of my linked drives suddenly show up as doubles in slimserver
6.5.1.
I did numerous rescans (deleted cache) to no avail.
When I trried yesterdays nightly I get double albums of most of my
collection.
I a using SS now for nearly a year without a glitch. 
Now, after restructuring my database (alphabetic sorting for multiple
disks A-h, I-Q etc.) I am in a mess.


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Re: [slim] Titles doubled

2007-03-02 Thread netim3

This happened to me with a Mac Mini and a network drive. It was
something to do with the 'Music Floder' name being case sensitive, or
refering to the shared drive a slightly different way. What works for
me now is /Volumes/[DRIVE]/[Folder]

Good luck.


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