Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
> until 7.x, because the only thing missing now (for me) is support for > embedded album art in FLAC. I think kdf added this to the latest 6.5.x branch (post-6.5.2). Just in case you really wanted it ;-). -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
My expectations are the same as those of the people complaining the loudest. The difference is, I'm not having any of the problems they are. I've been using slimserver for 5 years and "it just works". I used to stay several months behind the current release, just to be safe - but the releases were coming much faster back then. And generally I wouldn't upgrade unless there was some compelling new feature I wanted. For instance, since 6.5.1 is working great, I won't consider upgrading until 7.x, because the only thing missing now (for me) is support for embedded album art in FLAC. Maybe some people think that all their personal desires should be met with every release. Hey, most companies don't even ASK what you want! But I'm sure if enough people clamor for a Slim "appliance", they'll eventually get their wish - not that the complaining would stop. Side note - I recently tried various music cataloging software - OrangeCD, Helium, JRiver, etc - guess what? They all took a long time to pull the tag info from thousands of files. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Hi Bruce > As to Vista and slimserver not working together well. I haven't seen many conrete reports about this (maybe I've overseen them). Could you please open a new thread with some more details? Or a bug, if it's not covered yet? > may not be a #1 priority. Triode's done a lot of work to make SlimServer 6.5.2 behave better on Vista - because he happened to install it (poor guy :-)). It would therefore be important to know what's wrong for you. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
> utter numpties... I must bookmark the Urban Dictionary... -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Where are people getting the idea you need a "powerful" machine to run slimserver? From what I have seen, slimserver will run on some pretty slow, antiquated equipment. I think what really drives a lot of this..is our impatience. If rescan takes 2 minutes longer than we think it shouldit is the bloated software's fault. How easily we forget the days of dialup and slow, slow, slow computers.Remember the boot up, go get coffee, eat breakfast, and then just maybe you might be able to use the computer days? As to Vista and slimserver not working together well.I am sure they will get that worked out. There are LOTS of programs and hardware that do not play nice with Vista. I spent a whole day upgrading a new laptop to Vista. Got all doneonly to find out my printer wouldn't work with Vista and that HP might have the driver out by JULY!! Personally, I like Vista. Let's remember Vista was not on the supported OS list when most of us bought our Squeezebox. At the time we bought it functioned according to the stated system requirements. Just because Microsoft foists another OS on the world doesn't mean slim devices must hurry up and make everything compatible. Perhaps it is in their best interest to do so.but it may not be a #1 priority. I have slimerver on an XP system. I want to upgrade it to Vista but I am waiting until Vista is more mature and slimserver is more Vista friendly. -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Album Artist Search
This is an issue we're working on right now as a focus for 6.5.3 (hopefully as a much shorter release cycle than 6.5.2) the nightly builds are already available here: http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_nightly.html so far, reports are positive. If this doesn't fix the issue, please let us know and we'll gather more details to help get it fixed asap. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Synchronized DB3 suddenly stops.
>From your subject line I thought you were having trouble with your Aston Martin! Perhaps you have an ignition problem :) -- swhite58 Clark Connect Linux file server->SB3->Luxman L4->Gale speakers/Sennheiser headphones swhite58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5038 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35479 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help with Album Artist Search
I have 447 artist folders on my NAS (looked at tags with mp3tag and my WMA files on my NAS all show the appropriate band name under the artist column). So my slim server says i have 1039 albums but only 57 artists. THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY. I cannot search my collection by album artist. I can see all albums and play them by browsing under folder view... Any ideas? I am running slim server 6.5.2 on a windows XP media center machine. -- philvis philvis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11706 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35543 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife won't use it...
pm314;204172 Wrote: > It took my wife about 2 years to get comfortable with using SB3, mostly > from lack of trying. I think once my 9, 8 and 6 year-olds were well > adept at finding and playing music, she felt a little silly at not > being able to. My advice...borrow some known child and teach them in 10 > minutes. LOL ... I tried that first, my 8 year old was quite adept at operating the Squeezebox, which didn't make my wife feel silly, she would just ask him to operate the Squeezebox for her :-) -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife won't use it...
4mula1;203725 Wrote: > I did it to keep her collection from polluting mine and make her stop > referring to the Squeezebox as "your Squeezebox." Actually it just came up again (before she stormed out), and one of the things she mentioned was needing a radio upstairs so she can listen to her music. She also wants the TV, since I NEVER turn it on, but that's beside the point. When you say 'her slimserver', does that mean I need two machines? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife won't use it...
It took my wife about 2 years to get comfortable with using SB3, mostly from lack of trying. I think once my 9, 8 and 6 year-olds were well adept at finding and playing music, she felt a little silly at not being able to. My advice...borrow some known child and teach them in 10 minutes. -- pm314 pm314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3749 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife won't use it...
For almost a year, I couldn't get my technophobe wife to use the Squeezebox either ... which was very frustrating for me, as my primary objective when I purchased our Squeezeboxes and ripped all my CDs was to get her to stop stacking hundreds of my CDs (sans the cases!) on the mantle ... until I installed Moose (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/) on her laptop. Now, with a simple, easy to use, intuitive and attractive interface, no more CDs stacked on the mantle! -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.2 Release
Nope, wasn't the tags! After talking to Tomer and Anop (thanks guys!!) at SlimDevices Support, we determined that there was a shortcut inside my music folder that looped and made Slimserver want to repoint back to the music library, thus causing duplicates. I deleted the shortcut, did a clear/rescan and everything is back to normal. I don't know why this started happening only when I upgraded to 6.5.1 (I remember that shortcut being there before), but problem solved! Thanks so much everyone, I apologize for mucking up this thread. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Customer Support
Chippy;203514 Wrote: > The support experience has been like night and day when compared to the > amazing help I have received on these forums in the past from kdf and > the gang. I've dealt with a lot of consumer electronics companies where the official support was absolutely horrid and much better support could be found either in official or (usually better) unofficial forums and mailing lists. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is expected in this market. The only reason I'd ever consider calling many of these companies is a hardware failure with a product under warranty. The experience is just too frustrating and too much of a waste of time otherwise. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35471 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Customer Support
Kevin our support manager might pipe up, but in the meantime I'll just say it's something we're carefully planning for. In addition, there are some changes going on within the Logitech support Right now our support team is too small to support the kind of sales volumes we're projecting. The plan is to phase in some trained Logitech support people who will handle the very simplest calls, but for any issue that actually seems like technical support, to have them pass the call on to our team. As with anything new, we're happy to hear if it's not working out so we can make the necessary changes. There are a lot of times here where we feel like we need to remind people that our products are not mice, and have special needs. Tech support is an area where we are trying to be very careful how we expand. -- ChrisOwens Christopher Owens QA Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (650) 210-9400 x3717 ChrisOwens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35471 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Synchronized DB3 suddenly stops.
byKnight;203718 Wrote: > If at all possible, run the problematic SB3 wired for a while and > determine whether or not you can still reproduce the problem. > > If you can't reproduce it when the SB3 is wired, that suggests you are > having some kind of wireless-related issue. Agree wholeheartedly. When you're syncing multiple players wirelessly, there are any one of a zillion things that could go wrong, most of which are easily fixed once you identify them. So remove one of the bigger variables (the wireless link). If the problem continues, great--now you know it's not the wireless. If the problem disappears, that's also good news--you know it's the wireless. You could also remove another big variable (synchronization), by having both players play different things independently. If you still get periodic dropouts, then it's not the synchronization code doing it (it's likely the wireless). If it's not wireless or sync, there are some other less-likely candidates like weird encoding/decoding issues, etc. For what it's worth, except for gapless playback, synchronized playback works great for me. So it CAN work, we just need to figure out how your setup is different than mine. It's also worth noting for troubleshooting purposes whether you're using 802.11B or G, how many total wireless devices you have on that access point, what frequency any nearby cordless phones operate at, etc, etc. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35479 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze network connection died
I know little about RSS, sorry. I really think this must be a networking issue. What is the make/model number/firmware version of your wireless router? Do you use DHCP? If so, what is the IP address of the player? Also have you compared the MAC address of the player with the sticker on the bottom? Holding the left arrow and scrolling down to current settings will show you the MAC address of the player. -- Ross L Ross Levine - Slim Devices Quality Assurance Ross L's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35477 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] squeezeslave backgrounding - patch
Slimserver 6.5.1 is installed on Ubuntu edgy LAMP server and the OSX is a brand new minimal install using only the first CD out of four in the full panther box with only US localization. The library is served up via NFS mount from a FreeNAS which also has Michael Herger's SlimNAS installed on it. I haven't tried to connect to that SlimNAS yet, though. I had squeezeslave 0.6 running great for a little while on a little white g3 ibook 600 dual usb after some bad starts but now it won't play anymore. It was great while it lasted using very little cpu @ about 5-10% through several songs. I left and came back and it had lost the connection...then no more. It was an immense improvement over Softsqueeze as far as cpu usage. Softsqueeze quickly gobbles up any spare cpu cycles around the end of the first song and stays there until it finally freezes the whole machine. I'm wondering if trying to run Squeezeslave from my Ubuntu workstation at the same time fully screwed the whole thing up. I only did that after the Sslave wouldn't run on the iBook anymore. Eureka! I finally figured out how to get Softsqueeze to run headless. I found this to be the only way to run the latest versions on XP AND even Ubuntu since the full UI just doesn't work for me. For anyone else trying this the command that worked for me is: java -Dserver= -Dskins=headless -jar /Applications/Softsqueeze.app/Contents/Resources/app/SoftSqueeze.jar But, alas, the cpu jumped back up to pegged at the end of the first song again. It did seem to last longer this time headless using less memory at least, though. And I could actually do some other things on the iBook while SS was running. Screenshoot attached. Java 1.4.2_12 is surely not ideal and isn't really even supported from what I see. But Softsqueeze 3.4 does work well while it works. I have a crazy mix of just about every type of encoded file there is but mostly mp3, flac, ogg, wav and even a few ape and mpc's. I can't play mpc yet since I haven't put the codec in the server. I'm not quite sure what to do with the patch. It would be a great way to waste some more time trying to fix this for Panther so I don't really expect much to come of this. Although it might give some clues and help others who may be in the same boat. I'll probably abandon OSX and try Xubuntu PPC(again), Fluxbuntu (when it comes out) or Yellow Dog. Panther is excruciatingly slow on this thing so I'm surely not going to waste any more time or money with Tiger or Leopard. I'm saving up for an iPhone (not). Leopard will be almost obsolete by the time I post this anyway. At least Apple is helping keep the landfill operators busy. I'm trying to recycle some of these iBooks to use in unfriendly environs and as demos for the Slimservers I'm giving out to friends hoping they'll see how great it is and spring for a Squeezebox or even Transporter. I'm loving the whacked out mixes from Slims random mix. curly +---+ |Filename: shdls.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2851| +---+ -- curly curly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35403 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze network connection died
Ross L;204118 Wrote: > I'd suggest rebooting your router and Squeezebox. It sure sounds to me > like the Squeezebox just doesn't have the right DNS info. I've already tried that ...several times for this reason and others. If it was DNS how would it find the RSS sites? Is there any debug or tracing I can employ? -- lyteroptes lyteroptes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7344 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35477 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
I have just checked... My wife switched between songs etc. and i tried to figure out what is what. Minimal difference or shall I say I thought I could spot the difference and that wav was better but the resukt was something like 65/ 35% for wav beeing best versus flac being best which isn`t statistically signifcant with such a low number of samples... But an other thing: I used a Radioshack db-meter to measure the sound pressure at a given setting on my amp and the squeezebox was constantly 2-3 dB lower than the cd-player amd also mye dvd-player (cd and dvd was equal in this respect). Why isn`t Squeezebox calibrated to be as high sounding as other equipment? -- nordvest nordvest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Synchronized DB3 suddenly stops.
upstatemike;204107 Wrote: > I have reported the same problem in other threads. I only run wired > players and have no problems when players are not synced. They only > seem to get stuck at the beginning of a new song. The problem started > with the latest release version of Slimserver. More socketwrapper headaches, perhaps? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35479 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can the Logitech Harmony 880/890/1000 Control the SB?
kdf;203398 Wrote: > > I have an 880 and it does a great job at controlling the SB. There is > > a device option in the software, and the functions not mapped to hard > buttons are available on the soft buttons. > > I would assume that the 1000 has the same level of support. > > -kdf I can confirm that the Harmony 1000 makes a great remote - in fact we used one with a squeezebox at the Home Entertainment Show in NYC a couple of weeks ago. Being a touch screen you have a lot of flexibility to get the right buttons in the right place for your SB or Transporter use. -- Jez Jez Hildred Business Manager Streaming Media Systems Logitech http://www.last.fm/user/Kadosh/ Jez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35452 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze network connection died
I'd suggest rebooting your router and Squeezebox. It sure sounds to me like the Squeezebox just doesn't have the right DNS info. -- Ross L Ross Levine - Slim Devices Quality Assurance Ross L's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35477 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Synchronized DB3 suddenly stops.
byKnight;203718 Wrote: > If at all possible, run the problematic SB3 wired for a while and > determine whether or not you can still reproduce the problem. > > If you can't reproduce it when the SB3 is wired, that suggests you are > having some kind of wireless-related issue. I have reported the same problem in other threads. I only run wired players and have no problems when players are not synced. They only seem to get stuck at the beginning of a new song. The problem started with the latest release version of Slimserver. -- upstatemike upstatemike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35479 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Just to clarify - the original poster complained about stability. I said that stability was poor and upgrading to new releases was a pain because they were often broken and required a rescan, which was slow. I can live with slow rescanning if you only have to do it once. The current way of adding music is very klunky. (Rescan or manually browse through a poor web interface). I do think that it is possible to provide a music server that does not require seriously powerful hardware. No, I am not going to build it myself (I am a customer here) - I have too much else to do. I know how to do it but I really do not want to - I want to buy something that is easy to use. I am merely trying to voice an opinion that Slimdevices may want to consider that some of their customers consider their software server to be the weakest link by a very long way. I personally do not like the idea that a music server that is streaming a single stream (I know some people here have many devices, but the majority must surely only have one). I personally would like to see a modular architecture that allowed plugins for the functionality some people want. I really think that Slimdevices need to seriously assess what market they are aiming at. Either hackers or consumers (I have moved camps over the years). This really is a personal view - I am not here to argue with the vocal devotees. I really respect the point of view of wanting to squeeze in as much extra functionality and pure "gee wow" stuff as possible. I just think that there are probably a number of people like me who normally stay silent on this board (I have been reading these fora since they started). Up until very recently I have been very happy, almost evangelical (and not posted), but the standard of recent releases and the direction of the server (increased functionality/bloat whatever people choose to call it) has left me very disillusioned. Let me reiterate, my main use of the server is to stream one stream of MP3 to a single player. That really must be what most users do and what most want. It should be simple and reliable, with added functionality secondary to that primary functionality. (By the way, that probably is a bit of a rant to be fair :-) ). Cheers, Andy -- forestcaver forestcaver's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
>Ah yes, the lovely open source ethos: "Blame the User". < Then again, some of the people who post questions here are obviously utter numpties... -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze network connection died
The network is as @ #3 - straight to the wireless router. I've checked the gateway & DNS IP addresses in the SB3 - they are correct. I'm getting RSS feeds so the connectivity must be there for that musn't it? -- lyteroptes lyteroptes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7344 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35477 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Malor wrote: > Ah yes, the lovely open source ethos: "Blame the User". You'll see > this all the time. User describes what he or she wants something to > do. If that something is difficult with current open source offerings, > then the user is told he or she is stupid for wanting it. No, you are being argumentative. The OP claimed that scanning was "too slow" on very slow hardware. The problem has nothing to do with open source or not. It has to do with unreasonable expectations. > The idea of requiring a multi-Ghz machine to -serve music- is pretty > startling, IMO. There is no claim to such a thing. The claim is that since one gigahertz CPUs are obsolete, there is no reason to run a slow computer and then complain that it is slow. > Yet, for some > reason, this software requires multi-ghz to do a good job of handling > ONE AUDIO STREAM. There is no truth to this claim. I ran for years on a 500 mHz p3. The only reason I changed was that the fan got filled with rabbit fur, and I had a newer machine sitting idle. > Yes, I understand why that is; it's in Perl and runs on Mysql and can > run a bunch of clients at once. No, it is not because it is Perl or MySql. The claim is that scanning is too slow, and the reason that is slow is because it has to read much of, if not all of, the data in the files. On a slow computer or with slow disks or with limited memory, that will take a long time. I have no idea what your problem with the developers was, they have always welcomed whatever I have offered. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What the hell with the license change on Slimserver? It's not GPL anymore?
Quoting Malor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Sorry for the false alarm: the 'click to accept license' thing was new > in my experience. You might want to be clear in that click agreement > that the proprietary code is only in the firmware. Where are you seeing this particular 'click to accept'? The one on the main download page had the following text introducing the eula form: [QUOTE]The download of any Squeezebox or Transporter firmware included with this software is subject to legal terms and conditions:[/QUOTE] If that's missing, then it might be good to know where it needs to be added. I do happen to feel that for the money the legal dept gets paid, they could have at least bothered to tailor the EULA a little better to the application. "Software" is most certainly not "Firmware" except to those who have no idea what firmware is. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
> But someone who shows up and points > out that a nice, consumer-friendly device shouldn't require a Cray XMP > in the back room is -not being stupid-. Nobody says you're stupid. But you're wrong. You don't need even one GHz to run SlimServer. I've never had anything beyond a Via C3/1GHz to serve up to seven devices. > I don't know what it is, but it's like > there's a snaggletooth fairy that waves her crooked wand over the code > base the night before any given major release. I've read every Harry Potter available in different versions, but I still can't fight her :-) Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
You're not likely to hear any real difference unless there's a problem with the FLAC decoder in the Squeezebox firmware. Generally, the firmware tends to be pretty good, so you probably won't find one. But if you do hear a noticeable difference (that is, you or your wife can *reliably* pick out flac-decoded-on-server versus flac-decoded-on-squeezebox), then you should definitely report a bug. Flac is lossless compression, so if the firmware is working properly, you should get a bit-for-bit identical result either way, and sending it as wav takes more bandwidth and more CPU time on the server. The Squeezebox is highly optimized for that function -- best to do the decoding there. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
I mean... when people complain about the slow scanning, instead of abusing them for not having a fast machine, tell them something like this: "The reason the server has to be so fast for a decently quick scan is because the logic in figuring out the correct tags in all the different formats we support is extremely difficult. We support CUE/wav, CUE/flac, ogg, mp3, wma, and aac. The number of different permutations and corner cases in scanning is startling, and it takes a lot of horsepower to figure out a sensible way to organize and present the information to you. We run into all sorts of weird problems where fixing one bad choice will cause others, so the code gets quite involved, and, thus, slow." (insert your own corrections for actual formats supported, I just use mp3 and flac, myself. :) ) -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Ah yes, the lovely open source ethos: "Blame the User". You'll see this all the time. User describes what he or she wants something to do. If that something is difficult with current open source offerings, then the user is told he or she is stupid for wanting it. This is as inevitable as the sun rising. It has nothing to do with the merits of the actual idea; if you want something that is difficult with open source, then obviously you MUST be stupid, as open source products are perfect. In any given problem space, the abuse doesn't go away until the open source solutions DO solve a given problem, and then all of a sudden the exact same people will realize that, hey, maybe that wasn't such a bad idea after all. The idea of requiring a multi-Ghz machine to -serve music- is pretty startling, IMO. I've run servers that held all the daily work for about seventy-five programmers and another twenty or twenty-five support staff that that didn't break 500mhz. Somehow, they managed to serve their files just fine to dozens of people at once. Yet, for some reason, this software requires multi-ghz to do a good job of handling ONE AUDIO STREAM. Yes, I understand why that is; it's in Perl and runs on Mysql and can run a bunch of clients at once. But someone who shows up and points out that a nice, consumer-friendly device shouldn't require a Cray XMP in the back room is -not being stupid-. He or she is correct that this is a suboptimal solution for many people. Explaining WHY it's done that way, instead of abusing him or her, would seem far more intelligent. Shipping software that works out of the box would also be helpful; release versions of Slimserver are a freaking nightmare. Nightly builds are much better, but major bugfixes to the 'stable' code don't get pushed out fast enough. To this dev team, "stable" means the code isn't changing, *not that it works*. This causes confusion and distress among users, who tend to assume that if you call something stable, they can trust that it will do what it's advertised to do. It's especially frustrating because the nightly builds are so GOOD, but the releases always suck so bad. I don't know what it is, but it's like there's a snaggletooth fairy that waves her crooked wand over the code base the night before any given major release. There was one release awhile ago -- 6.3 maybe? -- that couldn't POSSIBLY work out of the box; someone had changed some paths at the last minute and broke the server completely. The 'stable' code on the website was completely nonfunctional, but it didn't change for over two weeks, close to three IIRC. For that period, anyone downloading that software wouldn't have a working Squeezebox. That's a customer service -disaster-, but I'm not sure anyone learned anything from it. I even tried to volunteer to help test before releases went out... just to go through the installation process to be sure it worked. The replies were so assholish that I gave up on the idea. The Open Source ethos at work again, I guess. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] slimserver question
peterw;204047 Wrote: > You'd probably need to write some code to have Slimserver automatically > start playing a certain playlist when a user connects. You can probably > edit strings.txt and restart Slimserver to change the welcome message. > > Why are you using Slimserver for this? Unless you take some extra > steps, Ability to Listen to /stream.mp3 == Ability to Control > Slimserver. For public streaming, something like Icecast is usually a > better choice. I'm testing the ability to play my files from a dir and/or playlist on the local server.. Icecast/shoutcast is not a viable setup withouit major mods being made to it.. I was hoping, lacking any detailed documentation here, that this server would do what i need it to do. -- PPNSteve PPNSteve's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11704 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35530 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Integrating cover art from Amarok
I re-read through this thread and people make mention of using CopyCover. I used it two nights ago and it ran like a charm, the offline version at least. I didn't install the actual script. The main problem I see is that it won't overwrite files, at least it says it doesn't, maybe there's an overwrite command line option. So once the cover images are in their respective file folder, you'd have to delete them before running the CopyCover script again to get it to update the files. Of course Amaroks cover fetcher couldn't get images for all of my music, so I'm stuck right now with some empty images as well as some "partially" correct images. If I want to update again, I'll have to check out the overwrite issue. -- verbatone verbatone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33697 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What the hell with the license change on Slimserver? It's not GPL anymore?
Sorry for the false alarm: the 'click to accept license' thing was new in my experience. You might want to be clear in that click agreement that the proprietary code is only in the firmware. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35503 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] slimserver question
You'd probably need to write some code to have Slimserver automatically start playing a certain playlist when a user connects. You can probably edit strings.txt and restart Slimserver to change the welcome message. Why are you using Slimserver for this? Unless you take some extra steps, Ability to Listen to /stream.mp3 == Ability to Control Slimserver. For public streaming, something like Icecast is usually a better choice. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim BlankSaver BottleRocket FuzzyTime SaverSwitcher SleepFade StatusFirst VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35530 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
> Just to compare since some people has said that wav sounds a little > better. I don`t think so myself but it`s no harm in trying Save yourself the hassle: the output data is identical. You can't "restore" lost data. Therefore transcoding flac to wav wouldn't change even if wav was better. > I`ll try some semi-blindtests when my wife comes home and can assist. Have fun :-) Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
Just to compare since some people has said that wav sounds a little better. I don`t think so myself but it`s no harm in trying I use XP and have Flac installed. BUT: I solved the problem; I Installed 6.5.2 and then it worked!! I`ll try some semi-blindtests when my wife comes home and can assist. -- nordvest nordvest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] slimserver question
I'm wanting to stream over the internet and when I or another user connects, nothing plays.. How do you set the server up to automagically play the selected playlist and/or all songs on connect? thanks -- PPNSteve PPNSteve's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11704 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35530 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
> I thought I should try to stream flac files as wav files (eg. do the > unpacking of the flac files at the server side). For what reason? > What can be the problem? I have not limited the streaming bandwith or > anything so I`m a little confused. What operating system are you on? Do you have flac installed? Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
servies;203974 Wrote: > > Ah, I see it: you want everything but you don't want to do anything to > get it... > Sounds just like a normal customer to me ... -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can the Logitech Harmony 880/890/1000 Control the SB?
On 5/20/07, Charles Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does any one know if the Harmony 880/890 or 1000 can control the SB? If > yes, can it do all the functions of the SB remote? The 880 rocks! Mine controls a TV, DVD/VCR player, CD player, amp, MythTV box, X10 controller, and of course the SB3. I went from 7 remotes down to one, and it had a high WAF to boot... By default I think it includes most functions, but it's simple in the setup to rearrange the soft-buttons to put your most-used functions on the first page. It can also learn new commands if needed, although the SB shouldn't require this. > Another question, are there any wi-fi enabled remotes that can be used with > the SS handheld skin? (in addition to the nokia device). I use my IPAQ 6945 for this and it works fine, although I don't normally bother (mainly due to wi-fi battery demands). Cheers, Geoff ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can the Logitech Harmony 880/890/1000 Control the SB?
Another happy owner of Harmony 659/SB2 here. -- vdorta Silent computer, Windows Vista Ultimate, dBpowerAMP Reference/FLAC, Slimserver 6.5.2, Inguz Room Correction, wireless SB2 (Bolder digital & analog mods, Sonicap Platinum bypass caps, Bolder Deluxe Power Supply), Stello M200 monos, ACI Sapphire XLs + REL Storm III | Chaintech AV-710, XMPlay, JMT PPA headamp, AKG K601, Etymotics ER-4S vdorta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35452 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Pat Farrell;203989 Wrote: > Cliveb's 533 mHz with 512MB of ram is probably not an ideal current > target, mostly because even Via has lots of 1gHz processors these days. Very true. I was an early mini-ITX adopter, and the 533MHz EPIA5000 is the mobo I happen to own. It does the job, so no need to replace it. (I did have to add a new IDE controller, though, as the on-board controller doesn't support 48-bit LBA. Modern mini-ITX boards don't have this problem, of course). -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.2 Release
SamS, Have you physically looked at the tags in a program like mp3tag. I had a similar problem as yours a year or so agoit was in the tags. Especially with downloaded music. For me, I use one tag version and delete all others. Bruce -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DVD files
Thanks guys. I was hoping it would play DVD files already on my HDD, so I wouldn't have to rip them. It'd be nice if the SB had a video output too, but I'm just dreaming. -- cliston cliston's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35273 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
CliveB, I have a very similar setup to you using a Via MoBo and it consumes just 25W (measured from a plug-in Watt-Meter). My machine is a Via EN 1.5GHz with 1GB of RAM and 1 SATA HDD. The machine does more than just run Slimserver (which it does pretty well). It also runs Exchange 2003, SQL 2005, IIS 6.0, WINS, DNS, DHCP, WSUS, Home-Automation software, Print Server all on Windows 2003 Server. It doesn't really struggle for the basic stuff I am throwing at it but it does serve the entire house. Must confess I have never timed a full re-scan but then I only do that very infrequently and usually just before going to bed. So I think it is possible to run Slimserver on a low power consuming machine. In my experience memory is critical to SS rather than raw processing power. Initially I used a QNAP TS-101 but with just 64MB it was horrible using the web-interface with 6.5.x Although both Moose and SlimFX worked pretty well as the tasks were offloaded from server to client. -- Paul_B Paul ~ Slimserver 6.5.2 on EPIA VIA EN15000 Mini-ITX running Windows 2003 R2 (SP2). Remote storage QNAP(2.0.1T)~(300GB WD) SB3 (x1) RIP - dBpowerAMP R12.1 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.38 ~ Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sreaming to Foobar
Smiley Dan;203970 Wrote: > If you want your slimserver to appear as an abstraction layer/appliance > you play music through you have to use it in some way. > Yes, but to me it seems obvious that it is indeed not the purpose of the slimserver. It's by design tied to the squeezebox. I don't think slimserver was ever ment as a general purpose music server, so it's "hard" to complain about not being able to use it as one. I such products will appear in the future. What it seems to require is standarized protocols for musicserver/musicclient communication. The ones that comes to mind are avahi/upnp/bonjour, but these are partially closed, and I'm not even sure they would be rich enough to do what slimserver can. My guess is that in a few years this will become more common. > > If you tie yourself to playing files you are coupling to an > implementation of music playback. It's generally better to abstract (in > my opinion). > > This is one of my biggest frustrations with SlimServer. It doesn't make > it easy enough to do this. Stream.mp3 is primitive (only supports one > player for starters) > I have no problems streaming to several players at the same time using stream.mp3. I think it's just being served over http, so it's possible for the same reasons that make the forums viewable by more than one person at the same time. And just out of curiosity. What is it that is so bad about softsqueeze ? If the requests are reasonable, perhaps the developer will implement them? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] transfering favorites
Thanks BPA for clarifying where my favorites are stored. I think I can work with it now. -- willcycle willcycle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
it seems that there are at least 2 camps of people in the slimserver universe: 1. those who think the product should work as the customer expects, and 2. those who think the customer should work as the product expects i work as a software engineer (previously also in system administration) like many of us in these forums, and like many who use slimdevices' products. so, we all are at least familair with computing devices, and the maintenanace issues surrounding ANY computer. i used to be be in camp #2 - i thought that i had to work to get my computers into the shape i wanted them. i believed that all computing devices, even one that "just" plays music, needed to be configured, and lovingly adjusted and constantly tweaked, and that's just what it takes to be able to own and use a product. i have changed horses, and am now in camp #1 - i want device manufacturers to provide the customer an appliance. i have simply lost interest in dealing with hardware, software, firmware and any other *ware, that does not work when plugged in and turned on. in other words i want a product, not someone's bench experiment that happens to work, sort of, mostly, and depends on the positions of the sun, moon and stars. i've gone from using sun and linux machines to apple macintosh - you plug it in, and it works in a very powerful way. i don't feel "boxed in" or "trapped" with something less than satisfactory, just because i did not need to spend days or weeks tweaking it into a working state. i also do not find it helpful for those who think that you must tweak your setup constantly to keep it running to berate those who believe that the product ought to work for the customer. it's just two different mindsets. not everyone likes to mess with machinery all the time. i know i don't - or at least, not any more. i'll do the work to set something up, but i do expect commercial product quality out of hardware and software. that means the product works consistently when you turn it on - no ifs, no ands and no buts. products that require as much attention as slimserver are not really full-fledged commercial products, they're for tinkerers, hobbyists or geeks. i agree with forestcaver that the slimserver product is far from ready for mainstream, but works in the meantime, as long as oyu have patience for it. after about a month of tech support, i finally have a working readynas and slimserver setup. i will never touch it again, except to add more music to the nas. it's too painful to deal with a product in a perpetual alpha/beta state like slimserver. -sherm -- shermoid "you are only young once, but you can be immature forever" "life is uncertain; eat dessert first" - anonymous please visit my mcintosh website: http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~sherman shermoid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
cliveb wrote: > So you *don't* need a > high-powered box to run Slimserver. Totally correct. You need a decent box. And if you are concerned about scan time, you need fast IO. But all of this is relative. Cliveb's 533 mHz with 512MB of ram is probably not an ideal current target, mostly because even Via has lots of 1gHz processors these days. My current SlimServer is some random AMD 2400+ type CPU, which is really about 1.4gHz. I don't know what it really is, it was free, and I don't need more speed. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Smiley Dan;203971 Wrote: > The only real solution is something lightweight and dedicated... and > really that cannot mean a Windows operating system. A minimal Linux > installation onto a fanless Epia box may be a useful way to go, for > instance... Not necessarily. My Slimserver (release 6.5.1) is running on the household general server, which is Windows 2000 on a 533MHz fanless EPIA (the slowest of all the mini-ITX systems), with just 512MB RAM. It has two 3.5" hard disks, and consumes about 40W. (If I were building it now, with bigger disks available, it could use just one disk, bringing power consumption down to somewhere around 25W). This machine also runs an Oracle database (not high-throughput, of course!), Xitami web server, VPOP3 email server, two printers, and a sprinkling of other minor services. It never has any problems keeping two Slim clients (Transporter and SB2) happy. So you *don't* need a high-powered box to run Slimserver. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
If you want a lighter-weight, basic server, why not go back to a 3.x or 4.x release? Or take a stable release and see how much code you can strip out without breaking it? Or offer to pay a perl guru to do that? It's open source - you aren't forced to use the latest "bloated" version. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
forestcaver wrote: >> Ok, you say you don't want to rant, but can you explain why you >> think two versions of the SlimServer would result in you getting >> a better product? > > Not what I said - I don't want n versions. I just don't want a > monolithic, bloated server. The current server is what it is. "bloated" is a very value laden word. One man's bloat is another man's rich feature set. The source to the server is available, patches welcome. But the point is that if you suggest a different software architecture, it will add bugs during the transition. And if the software is designed with many small modules, the combinatorial explosion will make support problems grow exponentially. >> powerful CPUs are nearly free, dual core Intel CPUS are under >> $200 and are screaming fast. Memory is almost free, you should have a >> gigabyte in any semi-serious computer server, and anything running >> SlimServer >> is by definition a server. > > Sorry - I must live in a different socioeconomic grouping - $200 is > not free to me and neither is memory. That is the price for new CPUs. I've run my slimserver for years on cast off (i.e. free) computers. > 1) I dont want to keep a dedicated server on all the time. 2) I > dont want the noise 3) I dont want the heat 4) I dont want the cost > (climate, finances, etc) I think you are grossly overestimating the cost and impact of these. A used machine will run from free to $100 or so. Trading your car for a bicycle once a week will save the energy. In all homes, the refrigerator is the largest energy user, more so than even air conditioning. > Moreover, I really think that the model is starting to get absurd - > the recommendation that you need to build a dedicated high-powered > modern server to play music on a consumer electronics device is > slightly ridiculous. Am I really the only one who thinks that if a > music player's software bloats the solution is to build a large > dedicated modern server ? Let me put it another way - I really like > my Slimp3 but there is no way that I could recommend this to a > non-computer literate friend - the maintenance costs on their time > would be too great. It is not the hardware but rather the software > that is the problem. If you like your Slimp3, keep using it. All software suffers from feature creep. My first Windows machine was a 386/33 with 5 MB of ram. Worked for what I needed. Modern machines are a hundred times faster (and no more than 1/3 the cost). I think a better comparison is not to a slow laptop and NAS, but to a SONOS, which bundles in the server. That is a consumer device. It is also much more expensive than a SqueezeBox and used PC. But more importantly, your ideal SlimServer is not mine. Supporting both is a non-trivial effort. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.2 Release
MickeyG;203789 Wrote: > Here's an "official" recommendation: > > Reinstalling over your old version will work fine for most people. > However, if you've experienced problems with doing that or think you > might, then a completely fresh install would be best. For Windows, that > means: > > 1. Uninstall SlimServer (Go to "All Programs", find "SlimServer" and > click on "Uninstall SlimServer"). > 2. Delete the SlimServer folder (Default location is c:\Program > Files). > 3. Install SlimServer. > > Mickey Forgot to knock on wood. Install went fine. But, super date-time screensaver no longer works. And, worst of all, got to work this am and remote streaming has stopped working!!! Darn! Why can't I leave well enought alone!?? Was working great on a 6.5.2 nightly! I can get into the web interface, but winamp will not stream. Softsqueeze by install and applet does some schizophrenic flashing between now playing and cannot connect to slimserver. I tried turning off ip blocking and no help. Gonna try a delete and fresh install tonight, I guess... -- shadowboxer shadowboxer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Won`t "transcode" flac to wav
Hello, My first post here... I thought I should try to stream flac files as wav files (eg. do the unpacking of the flac files at the server side). I read quite a few posts about this here, and I did as they suggested: I unticked the flac -flac option on the file formats settings in the slimserver (version 6.5.1) and ticked the flac-wav option instead. The problem is that there is no sound (and the time indicator on the SB doesn`t move.) What can be the problem? I have not limited the streaming bandwith or anything so I`m a little confused. I tried ripping a file directly to wav and that one played without any problem so it must be the flac- wav recoding in slimserver that doesn`t work. PS: English is not my mother tongue but I hope you can understand me. And I also know that there probably isn`t much point in this transcoding/recoding issue as the sound should be identical but I just wanted to check for myself. -- nordvest nordvest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] transfering favorites
Nothing is saved in the SB - your favorites are saved on Squeezenetwork. The following thread give some ideas on how to move the favorites on Squeezenetwork around http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35005 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31928 -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FF / Rewind?
BTW - for the LoveSexy album, I ripped the entire album to WAV, then loaded it into Goldwave or Audacity and cut it into chunks with a regular fadein/out for each track. I then saved and compressed to MP3. Took me about 1 hour. I know it's not how the original album was released, but so what. I've also had to do this with the Simple Minds live CD's where the tracks are split using crowd noise. and then there those annoying "hidden" tracks with 10 minutes of filler silence in front of them to make you think you've bought 60mins of music. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35326 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] transfering favorites
My favorite radio stations are saved in the SB only and not on the server (i.e. they were saved off of Squeeze Network). I do not see how the MyPicks plugin can import data from SB. Thanks, Will -- willcycle willcycle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
forestcaver;203958 Wrote: > > Pat Farrell;203871 Wrote: > > forestcaver wrote:[color=blue] > > > Ok, you say you don't want to rant, but can you explain why you think > > > > > two versions of the SlimServer would result in you getting a better > > product? > > > > Not what I said - I don't want n versions. I just don't want a > > monolithic, bloated server. > > > > > What do you mean by monolithic bloated server? I don't see any > monolithic issues... > > > forestcaver;203958 Wrote: > > > > Pat Farrell;203871 Wrote: > > > forestcaver wrote:[color=blue] > > > 1) I dont want to keep a dedicated server on all the time. > > > 2) I dont want the noise > > > 3) I dont want the heat > > > 4) I dont want the cost (climate, finances, etc) > > > > > > > > > Ah, I see it: you want everything but you don't want to do anything > > to get it... > > > > > > forestcaver;203958 Wrote: > > > > > > Pat Farrell;203871 Wrote: > > > > forestcaver wrote:[color=blue] > > > > Moreover, I really think that the model is starting to get absurd - the > > > > recommendation that you need to build a dedicated high-powered modern > > > > server to play music on a consumer electronics device is slightly > > > > ridiculous. > > > > Am I really the only one who thinks that if a music player's software > > > > bloats the solution is to build a large dedicated modern server ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell us: do you know any example of a device with the same > > > functionality as squeezebox/slimserver which does it the way you > > > want it? > > > > > > > > > forestcaver;203958 Wrote: > > > > > > > > Pat Farrell;203871 Wrote: > > > > > forestcaver wrote:[color=blue]Let me put it another way - I really > > > > > like > > > > > my Slimp3 but there is no way that I could recommend this to a > > > > > non-computer literate friend - the maintenance costs on their time > > > > > would be too great. It is not the hardware but rather the software > > > > > that > > > > > is the problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not the software, the problem is the user that > > > > wants to drive a car without even trying to obtain a > > > > drivinglicense or even buying/renting a car... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
This might not help Andy but I try to conserve energy using Wake-on-LAN or ACPI features of your PC. Unfortunately as you are using Vista there's going to be a crap load of other stuff going on too. The only real solution is something lightweight and dedicated... and really that cannot mean a Windows operating system. A minimal Linux installation onto a fanless Epia box may be a useful way to go, for instance... -- Smiley Dan Smiley Dan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5456 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sreaming to Foobar
I think it's reasonable whether the files are local or not. If you want your slimserver to appear as an abstraction layer/appliance you play music through you have to use it in some way. For instance, gathering statistics, rating songs, integration with radio sources as a first class concept and so on. If you tie yourself to playing files you are coupling to an implementation of music playback. It's generally better to abstract (in my opinion). This is one of my biggest frustrations with SlimServer. It doesn't make it easy enough to do this. Stream.mp3 is primitive (only supports one player for starters) and softsqueeze is really just a marketing tool for the squeezebox, and so its UI is constrained to match it. -- Smiley Dan Smiley Dan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5456 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quality of Slimserver
Pat Farrell;203871 Wrote: > forestcaver wrote:[color=blue] > > powered laptop server (quiet) and a NSLU2 to store the music to drive > a > > slimp3. I have a large (~30-40 k tracks) music library and just > cannot > > tolerate the time to rescan on a NAS. > > > Did you ever consider not using a low power laptop and NAS, since you > > > don't like the time to rescan? > > Yes - I have used a number of different boxes - I have used a linux box > that was pretty much dedicated to slimserver. However, if you read what > I said, I want to use a low wattage system for many reasons (climate, > cost, etc.) > > > > > Ok, you say you don't want to rant, but can you explain why you think > > > two versions of the SlimServer would result in you getting a better > product? > > Not what I said - I don't want n versions. I just don't want a > monolithic, bloated server. > > > > > powerful CPUs are nearly free, dual core Intel CPUS are under $200 > and > > are screaming fast. Memory is almost free, you should have a gigabyte > in > > any semi-serious computer server, and anything running SlimServer is > by definition a server. > > Sorry - I must live in a different socioeconomic grouping - $200 is not > free to me and neither is memory. > > > I think you will be happier with the results, and I know it can > happen > > more quickly, if you just upgrade your hardware. Get an old PC, put > it > > in a closet and be happy. > > 1) I dont want to keep a dedicated server on all the time. > 2) I dont want the noise > 3) I dont want the heat > 4) I dont want the cost (climate, finances, etc) > > Moreover, I really think that the model is starting to get absurd - the > recommendation that you need to build a dedicated high-powered modern > server to play music on a consumer electronics device is slightly > ridiculous. > Am I really the only one who thinks that if a music player's software > bloats the solution is to build a large dedicated modern server ? > Let me put it another way - I really like my Slimp3 but there is no way > that I could recommend this to a non-computer literate friend - the > maintenance costs on their time would be too great. It is not the > hardware but rather the software that is the problem. > > Cheers, > Andy -- forestcaver forestcaver's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia E61i and Slimserver (works fine)
willem wrote: > The E90 has the S60 version of Symbian, same as the E61i. Main reason > for me to put away the 9300 was the lack of wifi and for the 9500 it > was the size. > The E90 is smaller than the 9500. Keyboard of the e90 is easier to use > than the e61i keyboard for sure. > E90 should work fine with SlimServer I expect. > Yep, I'm optimistic. Only thing I fear i that in practice building up the wifi connection and connecting to slimserver takes too much time to be really practical in daily use. I'll let you guys know when it hits the market. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] G4 Mac laptop up to task?
Thanks for the replies. I also have a p4 1.5 + 1GB RAM running Ubuntu server 7.04. I think I'll use this to run SlimServer on then and keep the Mac for other chores. I have a new MacBook pro, so the old G4 sits idle a lot of the time. Thanks ET -- EvilTed EvilTed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35517 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] transfering favorites
1. Install the MyPicks plugin (see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?MyPicks ) 2. Use the "import" feature to load favorites into the MyPicks list 3. Now menu entry "MyPicks" has all radio station acessible to all players.. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
