Re: [slim] Careful now...
The picture of the more expensive one shows the Slim Devices logo, the cheaper one shows the Logitech logo. I wonder if anyone daft enough to pay the extra really will get a SD branded SB3? -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
Note also that the one with the Slim Devices logo must sound better - it has an extra star on the rating! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Are your disks spinning down to save power? This sounds like SlimServer had to wait for the disk to wake up or something. Do you see similar behavior when using the normal browse by album/genre/artist list? I'm aware that the external hard drives sometimes have to be woken up by Slimserver and then get back up to speed before the music can start playing but the behavior I'm talking about with the browse Music Folder command happens even after the hard drives are already awake and spinning. As far the behavior of the normal browse command goes, it seems to work okay but then because of the size of my music collection I don't tend to use the browse command to find music. In other words, no, the browse command appears to work fine when browsing by album/genre/artist. That's just what happens when a machine is under heavy load: every app is slowing down. If SlimServer doesn't have the resources to stream then your player will start stuttering. This can be a problem when you're playing APE which has to be transcoded for playback. This is another type of behavior that I'm well aware of and as such I try to limit the load on my computer when using Slimserver, so for example, I run all my virus and spyware scans while the machine is otherwise idle and Slimserver is running but not active (not serving any files to my devices). This sounds like a bug to me. Do you get error messages, timeouts? How does it manifest the failure? There is no manifestation, the page just never loads into my browser. No error messages, timeouts - nothing - just a blank half of the Slimserver web page with the browse (Firefox) indicating that the page is loading. And no matter how many times I reload the page, it just never loads or displays when trying to display albums. The page loads fine, if somewhat slowly, when displaying anything other then albums. The right hand side of the page with the now playing display loads just fine. Memory and disk speed might be more important in your case. How much memory do you typically have left? Windows task manager reports that Slimserver is using just over 100K of memory with usually under 10% of the CPU usage. Some of your issues sound like real bugs to me (page not showing up), or are probably due to some hardware configuration (disks spinning up/down?). While we might have fixed the bugs, we can't fix your hardware. I can understand a bug but this behavior (not loading the album display) happened with the previous version of Slimserver as well. Can't say - I'm at 10% of your size :-). I'm sorry about that :-) however, it seems that the behavior of Slimserver with large music libraries is not that well understood, and based on the these odd behavior issues with my large music collection, not all that well implemented. -- ralphpnj ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
There is no manifestation, the page just never loads into my browser. No error messages, timeouts - nothing - just a blank half of the Slimserver web page with the browse (Firefox) indicating that the page is loading. Could you please go to server settings/debugging and turn on d_http, open the log file in a new window (find the link at the top of that page) and see what happens when you try to load that page. Windows task manager reports that Slimserver is using just over 100K of I guess you meant 100MB :-) memory with usually under 10% of the CPU usage. What about overall memory load? How much is there left? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] sync squeezenetwork
Hi all, I just got my second SB3 and the sync works perfeclty when using slimserver! Can I also setup so that swithcing one sb on/of also switches the other one on/off? Is it also possible to sync squeezenetwork between players? -- sand Two Squeezebox 3 QNAP TS-109 Seagate ES 500GB SlimServer Version: 6.5.4 - 12568 - Debian - EN - utf8 Server IP address: 192.168.1.4 Perl Version: 5.8.8 arm-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.41 sand's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41007 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Multiple file type sorting possibilities
Hi! I've started to re-rip some of my favorite albums into FLAC (iso mp3) alt. re-rip to a higher mp3 bitrate. I just put the FLAC's and new mp3's into their respective folders (albums) and remove the old mp3's. However, my collection is quite big and soon I can't keep track on which of my albums are FLAC or high bitrate mp3 and which are my old mp3 I think I've read somewhere about sorting by file type etc, but now I can't find it in the forum .:-/ So, is there a way to a) sort by file type or bitrate in the Web UI? b) browse by file type or bitrate on the SB3? Cheers! /b00 -- booguss booguss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13212 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41008 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
ralphpnj;248507 Wrote:
Memory and disk speed might be more important in your case. How much
memory do you typically have left?
Windows task manager reports that Slimserver is using just over 100K of
memory with usually under 10% of the CPU usage.
I very much doubt that this is the case. SlimServer just isn't that
compact - 100 *M* I could understand, but not 100 K. If it really is
100K then I'd expect that the bulk of slimserver would be paged out,
which might explain some of the slowdown.
ralphpnj;248507 Wrote:
Can't say - I'm at 10% of your size :-).
I'm sorry about that :-) however, it seems that the behavior of
Slimserver with large music libraries is not that well understood, and
based on the these odd behavior issues with my large music collection,
not all that well implemented.
I don't think your library size is exceptional; it's twice the size of
mine (4231 alb, 50057 trk, 1211 art), but I've seem people comment on
here about their collection sizes being larger than this.
Things that rang alarm bells with me in your description were...
4 external USB drives. These will be slower than directly connected
drives, depending on the interface, and layout. In particularly, if the
hubs only support USB 1.1 you'll find yourself crippled (you don't say
what you're doing). Similarly, if they're all hung off the same hub
they won't be as fast (although still a lot faster than the USB 1.1).
Plugging into a different port on the machine doesn't mean they're on a
different hub. Check in device manager ('show by connection') to see
which physical hub controller each drive is connected to. This
shouldn't cause the large slow down you are seeing. For reference, I
use a single 500G drive for all my music, connected internally.
Windows. I use linux. I wouldn't run SlimServer on Windows. People do.
Many of the comments I've seen on here about problems have been from
people with Windows. Probably a higher percentage of Windows users. But
it rang an alarm bell with me.
Stopping playing under heavy load: You say 'when you're copying files
or other intensive disc operations'. This may be related to the
architecture mentioned above. If you are actually copying files on the
USB devices then you're going to see a penalty. A big one usually. If
you copy between devices on different hubs you'll see more of a penalty
(more hubs to deal with means more work although the overall transfer
can in theory be faster because the writing can be done concurrently
with the reading, whereas a single hub will be serialising the requests
so less work to be done at the cost of longer overall transfer time).
If, of course, you're copying files on the drive that you're playing
from then I'd pretty much expect to see poor performance as multiple
clients vie for access to the same devices over the same hub. This will
be worse if you're using FLAC because the bitrate must be higher than
MP3 (I use MP3 exclusively, so I can't say how much worse or
whatever).
File formats. As indicated above, the file formats may incur a cost.
The amount of data to be transferred for FLAC is higher than for MP3,
although not by a factor that should cause stalling. APE, is AIUI a
proprietary format, and I'm certain isn't supported by the squeezebox
natively. That means it must be transcoded to a format that is
supported natively - I'd expect it'd use the APE-WAV decode route, or
possible APE-WAV-FLAC. The latter is more expensive in CPU time and
might be an issue. The former is expensive in bandwidth requirements
and might be related to any problems seen with the wireless...
Wireless. You're using a wireless, so check the buffer fullness and
signal strength under normal circumstances. If they're low 'normally'
then it may be that your wireless is effectively dropping out
occassionally and this will require retransmissions - if the data is
having a hard time getting to the squeezebox then any additional
problems, like server load, will make that worse.
None of the above may be problems, but they do ring alarm bells for
things to look at and considerations.
Otherwise I suggest the following answers to your questions...
Q. Would a faster CPU help ?
A. I don't believe so. I have previously run the SQLite based version
with the collection only slightly smaller than it is now, on a 500MHz
processor (SQlite being significantly slower for a lot of operations)
and did not see the sort of slow behaviour you were seeing. Similarly,
I've run the current version with my harddrives in PIO mode (trust me,
this is more painfully slow than USB 1.1) and didn't see the timeout
issue you were seeing at all.
Q. Would fewer drives help ?
A. Not sure. Not putting them on external USB would help more, I
believe, but couldn't quantify or justify other than USB overheads. You
would gain from single drive spin up, and only having to read a single
file allocation table (or equivilent for the disc format you're using).
I would consider checking the disc format
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
The 4600 is supposed to have 8 USB 2.0 ports but it is not clear if it is one or two controllers. Other peripherals (especially USB 1.0 only) can affect USB performance - what else do you have on the USB ? Another point about all the disk on USB and possible off one USB controller. If the shortcuts is on one of the USB drives - then it may be accessed first before going to the USB drive with the actual data - so you have additional USB control and data traffic. I would move the top level Music directory to a disk on the PC itself and have the shortcuts on this IDE disk to the 4 USB drives. Another possibility is install a PCI USB 2.0 card and hang two off the drives off it. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
On a slight tangent, I bought my Squeezebox from PC World over here in UK this week. They and the other members of their group are the biggest high street electronics chain in the UK I think. I guess this is one of the things logitech brings to the party. I still think they are struggling to know where to position it in the stores as I had to search around all the sections I thought it might be in, and then the ones I didnt think it'd be in to track them down. The staff had even less of a clue what does it look like? etc, although that could just be down to them being particularly stupid :) Glad to see it breaking through a bit, and actually at an extremely competitive price point for the UK. -- robroe robroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14248 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Thank you gerph and mherger for your carefully thought out replies, I really appreciate the effort involved. To answer some of the various questions that have been asked and comments that have been made: Yes, the amount memory used by Slimserver is actually somewhere around 100MB (my bad!) with the somewhere around 160MB of the 1GB of total physical memory remaining when a few programs, such as Firefox, Outlook and Explorer are running along with Slimserver. The external hard drives are each connected directly to an individual USB connection on the rear of the computer. I don't know if these individual connections are each a separate hub or if they all go through some type of internal USB hub. Is there to map the USB connections and devices? All the USB connections are USB 2.0. Here's the results of the d_http debug: ERROR: Error executing 'SELECT contributor.id, contributor.name, contributor.namesort, contributor.musicmagic_mixable, contributor.namesearch, contributor.musicbrainz_id FROM contributor_album me JOIN contributors contributor ON ( contributor.id = me.contributor ) WHERE ( ( ( role IN ( ? ) ) AND ( me.album = ? ) ) ) GROUP BY contributor.id ORDER BY role desc': DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. ERROR: Backtrace follows: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::Storage::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 773) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_execute (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 826) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_select (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI/Cursor.pm line 118) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::Cursor::all (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/ResultSet.pm line 945) frame 4: DBIx::Class::ResultSet::all (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 166) frame 5: Slim::Schema::Album::artistsForRoles (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 176) frame 6: Slim::Schema::Album::artists (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 124) frame 7: Slim::Schema::Album::displayAsHTML (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/Pages/BrowseDB.pm line 424) frame 8: Slim::Web::Pages::BrowseDB::browsedb (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 843) frame 9: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 709) frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 555) frame 11: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 12: (eval) (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 13: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 499) frame 14: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 42) frame 15: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc line 850) frame 16: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0) frame 17: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0) Select task failed: Carp::Clan::__ANON__(): Error executing 'SELECT contributor.id, contributor.name, contributor.namesort, contributor.musicmagic_mixable, contributor.namesearch, contributor.musicbrainz_id FROM contributor_album me JOIN contributors contributor ON ( contributor.id = me.contributor ) WHERE ( ( ( role IN ( ? ) ) AND ( me.album = ? ) ) ) GROUP BY contributor.id ORDER BY role desc': DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. There is a whole lot more but I figured (with my very, very limited knowledge of just what I'm looking at) that this the relevant information. If not, then please tell me just what I should be looking for. Another point about all the disk on USB and possible off one USB controller. If the shortcuts is on one of the USB drives - then it may be accessed first before going to the USB drive with the actual data - so you have additional USB control and data traffic. I would move the top level Music directory to a disk on the PC itself and have the shortcuts on this IDE disk to the 4 USB drives. I will try this solution but not until tonight since this will most likely require a complete rescan of my music library, which takes over 4 hours. -- ralphpnj ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
-Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD'- That kind of error is often caused by the security features of an on-access virus scanning product where the database temp files are being locked by a viruscanner. Mysql doesn't like that. What security programs are you running? Try setting it to ignore *.myi and *.myd files if you can. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. This often is due to some antivirus program blocking access to the above file. Make sure it's ignoring *.my* files. This could also be a reson to your browsing issues: as SlimServer tries to update its database when you browse the music folder, it might encounter unexpected problems, when it fails to do so. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
I saw one set up but not running in PCWorld (UK outlet)in Aberdeen recently too, they are also on the PC World christmas gifts flyer that came with Radio Times, or something similar. Great to see them in the mainstream, but I suspect we might be able to pick some up on e-bay as 'unwanted gifts' in the new year. -- nacmacfeegle nacmacfeegle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4889 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
Yep they had one set up in the one I went to too, although it was turned off and the box and remote were under a thick clear plastic enclosure! I might have to look at ebay in the new year :) The crazy thing is at the moment they are going for £160-170 for a used version + pp and you can buy a brand new one for £179! Maybe there is some money to be made somewhere, if only I were smart enough to know how ;) -- robroe robroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14248 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Siduhe;248521 Wrote: -Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD'- That kind of error is often caused by the security features of an on-access virus scanning product where the database temp files are being locked by a viruscanner. Mysql doesn't like that. What security programs are you running? Try setting it to ignore *.myi and *.myd files if you can. Michael Herger;248522 Wrote: failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. This often is due to some antivirus program blocking access to the above file. Make sure it's ignoring *.my* files. This could also be a reson to your browsing issues: as SlimServer tries to update its database when you browse the music folder, it might encounter unexpected problems, when it fails to do so. I'm using McAfee Security Center version 8.0 with active (real time) virus scanning enabled. I could not find a way to set McAfee to ignore *.my* files. I did change one setting so that it only scans program files and documents rather than all files but that did not have any effect on the problem with loading the Slimserver web page. And again, thanks for all your help. -- ralphpnj ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
From what others have posted before, changing the scan parameters for a user initiated scan won't necessarily affect the on access scan which McAfee does each time the user carries out an action. Do you have an option called On-Access Scan Properties or Real Time Scan Properties? This is what people have suggested in the past to exclude files in McAfee, but I think it is for an Enterprise version: -Open the On-Access Scan Properties dialog box, then select any of the following icons in the left-hand pane: Default Processes Low-Risk Processes High-Risk Processes On the Detection tab, click Exclusions in the What Not to Scan area. This will open the Set Exclusions dialog box. The Set Exclusions dialog box lets you add or edit files, folders, or drives. To add an item to the list of exclusions, open the Add Exclusion Items dialog box by clicking Add. Type in *.myi and *.myd Save- Or, can you somehow change the option McAfee Real Time scanner set to automatic? -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
I'm using McAfee Security Center version 8.0 with active (real time) McAfee is known to block MySQL. Please watch the log - if the above error isn't gone then verify McAfee's configuration. effect on the problem with loading the Slimserver web page. Please do the d_http logging I mentioned and post that log file here. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Michael Herger;248526 Wrote: I'm using McAfee Security Center version 8.0 with active (real time) McAfee is known to block MySQL. Please watch the log - if the above error isn't gone then verify McAfee's configuration. effect on the problem with loading the Slimserver web page. Please do the d_http logging I mentioned and post that log file here. Okay, so I set McAfee to real time scan only program files and documents but I still can't get the albums display to load in the Slimserver web interface. Here is a copy of the relevant part of the log file: ERROR: Error executing 'SELECT contributor.id, contributor.name, contributor.namesort, contributor.musicmagic_mixable, contributor.namesearch, contributor.musicbrainz_id FROM contributor_album me JOIN contributors contributor ON ( contributor.id = me.contributor ) WHERE ( ( ( role IN ( ? ) ) AND ( me.album = ? ) ) ) GROUP BY contributor.id ORDER BY role desc': DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. ERROR: Backtrace follows: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::Storage::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 773) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_execute (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 826) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_select (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI/Cursor.pm line 118) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::Cursor::all (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/ResultSet.pm line 945) frame 4: DBIx::Class::ResultSet::all (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 166) frame 5: Slim::Schema::Album::artistsForRoles (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 176) frame 6: Slim::Schema::Album::artists (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Album.pm line 124) frame 7: Slim::Schema::Album::displayAsHTML (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/Pages/BrowseDB.pm line 424) frame 8: Slim::Web::Pages::BrowseDB::browsedb (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 843) frame 9: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 709) frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 555) frame 11: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 12: (eval) (/C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\slim.exeSlim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 13: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 499) frame 14: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 42) frame 15: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc line 850) frame 16: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0) frame 17: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0) Select task failed: Carp::Clan::__ANON__(): Error executing 'SELECT contributor.id, contributor.name, contributor.namesort, contributor.musicmagic_mixable, contributor.namesearch, contributor.musicbrainz_id FROM contributor_album me JOIN contributors contributor ON ( contributor.id = me.contributor ) WHERE ( ( ( role IN ( ? ) ) AND ( me.album = ? ) ) ) GROUP BY contributor.id ORDER BY role desc': DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_b38_0.MYD' (Errcode: 13) at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 771. -- ralphpnj ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
ralphpnj;248532 Wrote: Okay, so I set McAfee to real time scan only program files and documents but I still can't get the albums display to load in the Slimserver web interface. You have the same problem with the MySQL file being locked up. Did you reboot after you changed the McAfee settings? Quite a few people have only managed to overcome their problems with McAfee and the MySQL files by uninstalling and reinstalling McAfee - turning it off temporarily won't work as the on-access feature remains active as a security measure. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox and Harmony 885
'Ur[s Wrote: uS;248428']do either of these threads deal with the problem http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22796highlight=discrete+power http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=196151postcount=6 i do not WOL with 885 Thanks! The first thread suggests that there is no real solution, but only a work-around that I will also try to implement on my Harmony 885 (hope already tonight). -- scala scala's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13391 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40888 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Okay, so I set McAfee to real time scan only program files and documents but I still can't get the albums display to load in the Please do exclude these file extensions explicitely. As long as you get these errors there's a problem with your av product. Nothing we can help with. Try turning McAfee all together to make sure it's the cause of this issue. Restart SlimServer. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
The staff had even less of a clue what does it look like? etc, although that could just be down to them being particularly stupid :) -- Roy Roy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
Thanks again for all the responses. I will try the following things tonight and report back on the results tomorrow. First, I will set McAfee to only scan program files and documents since there does not appear to be a way to configure McAfee to explicitly exclude *.my* files. Second, I will move the main music folder to my hard drive with shortcuts pointing to each external hard drive. Third, I will reboot my computer. Fourth, I will rescan my music library. And finally, I will once again reboot my computer and report on the results. -- ralphpnj ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Jiggle to stop a mac going to sleep when playing music
danco;247882 Wrote: Anyway, the way to use Jiggler is to use the Execute Script plugin with suitable scripts (the plugin isn't totally intuitive to set up). The scripts need to be shell scripts, not Applescript, but an Applescript can be run from within an shell script. You can create a suitable script using any text editor (make sure you use Unix line endings), but must make it executable via the Terminal. :/ new to mac and new to unix so can you give slightly more idiot proof instructions! - Suitable text editor on the mac? - unix line endings? - make executable via the Terminal? thanks -- b33k34 b33k34's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10919 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40906 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
On Dec 12, 2007 2:22 AM, Fifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The picture of the more expensive one shows the Slim Devices logo, the cheaper one shows the Logitech logo. I wonder if anyone daft enough to pay the extra really will get a SD branded SB3? So just to be clear one what's going on here -- one of those links is fulfilled by Amazon directly (the more expensive one) and the other is fulfilled by SlimDevices. The only interesting thing that I can see is that the product listings have not been merged, which Amazon usually manages to do very well. Many, many products can be ordered through Amazon from dozens of vendors at varying prices. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Switching between SlimServer and Squeezenetwork
andyg;248127 Wrote: Now you see why we haven't implemented it yet... it's a lot more complicated than it first appears. :)Well, it would allow power savings and healthier planet. I think you should add it :D Honestly, the thing about clean shutdown is not a priority. I could totally accept that if the machine crashes or there's a power outage then some actions would need to be taken. Those are emergencies, not the norm. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26102 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Internet radio information display
I see now that Virgin UK metadata is being displayed by my SB3 - it seems Virgin have started broadcasting it. But it does take a while before the SB displays the new track detail (about 1.5 minutes after the track starts). Not sure whether that is a SB issue, or a delay in what is being broadcast. But I also see a similar delay on LastFM. Any thoughts? -- mortod mortod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38231 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sync squeezenetwork
I think it remains impossible at the moment: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37408 -- ds2021 ds2021's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41007 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sync squeezenetwork
Sync is possible on SN beta, provided all your players get connected to the same server instance. The load balancing algorithm we're currently using may not always put your player on the same server as your other players, but give it a try and see. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41007 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
I'm just surprised how expensive the Amazon price is, I buy a lot of stuff from them and their prices are usually better than that. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
You don't happen to have DHCP on *both* the router and the cable modem do you? Use only one or odd things like this can happen - it's most natural to use it in the router and deactivate it at the cable modem, but (at least here in North America) often the cable modem is locked out to you because the cable company owns it. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
slimkid;248502 Wrote: Also, firmware version seems low for the server version Actually it looks like he has an SB1, that's the last firmware version. icdsgnr, sounds like maybe your server is choking. How much RAM do you have, and is there enough free? You can diagnose whether it's server problems using http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DiagnosingPerformanceIssues under Server Performance. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
This is rather scarying! It seems to be connected to the recent transporter european prices increasement. I haven't seen any official answer on this older topic... I fear that SD products prices will continue to raise to this level... -- vrobin vrobin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
Notice the Better Together deal offered for item 1: Buy this item with Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End [Blu-ray] DVD ~ Johnny Depp today! for only $388.86. Must mean that it's a secret version of the SB that supports Blu-ray discs. Pretty good price then... -- KoxxBoxx KoxxBoxx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13356 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SlimServer not restarting
I am now running v7; it sees the NAS and seems to maintain the connection, and automatically sets the perl firewall permissions in Firefox (it would NOT in Safari). I do think there are some issues about how the current rev of 7 handles my tags, which were no problem in 6.5.4; I am also not sure where the start icon should land. It's not on the dock, not on the desktop, but appears in perferences and that doesn't seem correct. I can start it but it doesn't seem correct. More later. -- 1030bourbon 1030bourbon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40750 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB2 display burn out
I've been enjoying my SB2 for many years now but I now have realized that leaving the display on while powered off causes the areas of the display that were showing the date time to be only half as bright as the rest of the display making it nearly unreadable from across the room. Does Slim Devices offer replacement display panels (if so, how much $$) or am I looking at replacing the SB2 soon? It still works great otherwise. -- AudioFrog AudioFrog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41013 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Large music library = slow Slimserver??
ralphpnj;248496 Wrote: First of all I apologize if this topic has been dealt with before but whenever I try to do a forum search for more than one keyword at a time, e.g. for the phase large music library, the search feature does not work correctly. Therefore I feel compelled to start a new thread. So... First, my setup: I'm running Slimsever version 6.5.4 on a Dell Dimension 4600 with an Intel Pentium processor rated 2.40GHz, 1 GB of RAM and Windows XP with service pack 2. My music library consists of four external USB hard drives: two 320GB drives, one 500GB drive and one 1TB drive. The main music folder is on one of the 320GB drives with shortcuts pointing to the other three drives. I do not use iTunes. The format for my music library is rather simple and consists of a separate folder for each album with multi-disc albums treated as one entry. Each external hard drive has a main music folder with subfolders for jazz, rock, classical, etc. Within each of these subfolders is where I place each separate album folder. The vast majority of the music is stored as either flac or ape files. My libray stats are approximately 3500 albums, 2500 artists and 93,000 songs. I am currently using two Squeezeboxes and one Transporter, all connected to my server wirelessly via a Linksys router. The server (my PC) is wired to the Linksys router. I had virtually the same setup down the the model of Dell PC! I have 2 squeezeboxes. My hard discs are internal though - no external USB drives. My library is about half the size of yours and is LAME mp3. Originally I was using Windows XP SP2 to run slimserver. I experienced sluggishnes in the UI and the library scan would take a long time (~30 min. if I recall correctly). I would experience things where I'd press a button and 3 seconds later it would respond. Then it would behave correctly. The UI issues were infrequent enough that I was more concerned about the library rescan issue. Since I regularly add music and perform rescans, this was a real issue for me. I had read in the Linux forums here that running the server on Linux made a big difference. So, I purchased a refurb Dell from Dell for $200. It has basically the same specs that you describe. I loaded up Open SUSE 10.2. I haven't looked back! The UI is MUCH snappier and consistent and my library rescans take 10min. Another option is SlimNAS which is a packaging of SlimServer that will run on FreeNAS. Search for FreeNAS in these forums and you will find a link to it. SlimNAS has the advantage of being able to run from a USB stick, so you can experiment with it without having to install a new OS on your hard disc. Just some ideas to explore... -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using Jiggle to stop a mac going to sleep when playing music
b33k34;248545 Wrote: :/ new to mac and new to unix so can you give slightly more idiot proof instructions! - Suitable text editor on the mac? - unix line endings? - make executable via the Terminal? thanks TextWrangler is good, and free. TextEdit (which comes with the Mac) not so good, as its default is Rich Text Format, rather than plain text; also I forget if it will save with Unix endings. Also TextWrnagler, in the Text Files section of the preferences has an option (it may be the default) to use Unix line endings. Briefly, the difference between Mac and Unix line endings used to be that Unix used Line Feed for a new line while Mac used Carriage Return (and, I think, Windows uses Carriage Return plus Line Feed). I have a vague memory that recent versions of Mac OS do use Line Feed as the default for a new line, but some older text editors still use Carriage Reutrn. Anyway, bottom line here is to download (Google to find it) and use TextWrangler. Make executable. Read and write permissions on a file can be changed by getting information on the file, but unfortunately execute permissions (which, in this context, means whether an alleged application can actually be run) have to be set via the Terminal. Terminal is an application found in the Utilities folder that provides an interface with the Unix underpinnings of OS X. Run terminal, and on the line that you get, type chmod a+x followed by a space In Unix you would have to follow this by typing the full name of the file you want to make executable (full name meaning the complete path to it, going through all relevant folders). In the Mac OS, the GUI kicks in and you don't have to type the name, instead you can just drag the file into the terminal window and its name gets filled in for you. So at this point you are looking at a line which (after the initial prompt, which looks something like computername: ~username$) reads chmod a+x fullfilename Just press Return and the command gets run and you are back in the prompt (you won't actually see the action, but it will be done). If you want to investigate and see what has happened, before doing the chmod, type ls -l followed by a space and drag the file to the window and press Return, and do the same again after doing the chmod. Before it will read something like -rw-r--r-- plus other stuff, and after it will say something like -rwxr-xr-x plus other sutff. If you really want to know more (and it can be worthwhile) look at either an introductory book on Unix or a book on Mac and Unix. -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40906 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Disable Slimserver database?
I only use Browse Music Folder and it have a very big music collection. Is it possible to turn off the database somehow so slimserver is faster? Thanks... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41015 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Disable Slimserver database?
I only use Browse Music Folder and it have a very big music collection. Is it possible to turn off the database somehow so slimserver is faster? Thanks... No. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
I actually think it has to do with my crumby linksys router. I forgot to tell you that I was accessing the server via a laptop with a wireless connection while the SB1 is hardwired to the router. It seems that the problem occurs only when the web browser updates with the newly highlighted song. If I close my IE web browser (the page does not need to update so) I don't get the glitch. The Server has 1.5GB of RAM, CPU running at CLK=1.5GHz athlon. I know nothing about the internals of the SB1, but it would seem that it wouldn't take much buffering in the box to avoid minor streaming interuptions. For example, 2 seconds worth of 16 bits * 2 channels * 1.4MB/sec would imply a need of only ~ 90Mbits or ~ 11MB of buffer memory. Does SB1 have any buffer memory? Is there a way to set a delay between songs so my browser updates before the next song is qued. -- icdsgnr icdsgnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14283 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia 770 Skin and song scanning
Did you open a bug/enhancement against it as requested? go to bugs.slimdevices.com, sign in with a new id and set severity to enhancement if you haven't already. -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40693 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sync squeezenetwork
sand;248508 Wrote: Can I also setup so that swithcing one sb on/of also switches the other one on/off? Player Settings - Audio - Synchronize Power. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41007 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
As it happens I was just at the Fry's in Campbell, CA a couple days ago... here's what it looks like +---+ |Filename: IMG_0018.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3843| +---+ -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia 770 Skin and song scanning
Hey Ben, So are there plans to add song scan into the interface? -- broth420 broth420's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1676 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40693 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
icdsgnr;248607 Wrote: I know nothing about the internals of the SB1, but it would seem that it wouldn't take much buffering in the box to avoid minor streaming interruptions. For example, 2 seconds worth of 16 bits * 2 channels * 1.4Mb/sec would imply a need of only ~ 90Mbits or ~ 11MB of buffer memory. Does SB1 have any buffer memory? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HardwareComparison 1.8 Mbit. One of the chief advantages of the SB2/SB3 is a much larger buffer, 25 Mbit for compressed and 28 Mbit for uncompressed. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
Plus - here is what Amazon say happens with purchases made after viewing the cheaper one ... What Do Customers Ultimately Buy After Viewing Items Like This? 77% buy the item featured on this page: Squeezebox Wireless Network Music Player - $299.00 10% buy Squeezebox $365.91 7% buy Roku SoundBridge M1000/M1001 Network Music System - $164.29 3% buy Logitech Wireless DJ Music System - $96.32 -- Paul Webster Paul Webster http://www.lastfm.com/user/BondJamesBond Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
So this how I set me router to control the DHCP range, then I set the TCP/IP properties on the PC's LAN port to assign a static IP address, while using the router as the default gateway and DNS server. +---+ |Filename: Untitled-2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3845| +---+ -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please help me solve a SS .asx streaming problem
Mark Lanctot;232120 Wrote: Probably true, but did you get that uncompressed track to play? Until you compare lossless, it's supposition. Actually when used purely as a transport, the SB3 has nothing to be ashamed of. Its jitter numbers are extremely low. And with a secure ripper and AccurateRip, we know for a fact that the bits coming out are identical to those off the CD. The humble SB3 has an advantage over a regular CD transport here - the ripping process can be done over and over again to ensure the bits are perfect, a transport has only one shot at it no matter how good it is. I have actually done head-to-head on this and running the SB3 versus my CD transport into the same DAC. The transport edges the SB3 out in air, depth and weight. Not by much though, and given the cost of each, the SB3 is absolutely amazing. I used several cables for SPIDF, but the real advantage on my transport is by using the AES/EBU connection. That may have been a factor. I can see my future system using a server transport feeding a high end DAC. -- dewinkle dewinkle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11447 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38176 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
whoops, my math was way off. 44.1kHz sample rate * 16 bits * 2 channels = 1.41Mbit/s. 2 seconds only requires 2.8Mbits of buffer. Your compare link obviously implies I have ~ 1 sec of buffering for uncompressed data. SB2 and SB3, having more than 10x that buffering, would not see this problem. Thanks for the info. I wonder if my wireless connection somehow momentarily steals all the bandwidth of my network, and I wonder if there's a tweak to tone it down so the ethernet connection gets priority. -- icdsgnr icdsgnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14283 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 restarts songs
USAudio;241085 Wrote: I've been having the same issue. It will stop playing intermittently right in the middle of a song then immediately start over. I was using 6.5.4 and so, like Superbad, I gave 7.0a a try and while it seemed to work OK yesterday, I now have the same issue again with the latest 7.0a build downloaded today ... =( I need to get this resolved, it's driving both myself AND my wife nuts! ;-) Anyone else experiencing this problem? As the problem exists on both 6.5.4 AND 7.0a, I wonder if it's a hardware issue? My network connection seems to test fine. Me too! The Problem exists on both 6.5.4 and 7.0a. I use the wired connection to the server. Network test for each rate 100%. Martin -- martin1 martin1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13750 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
Have you tried Jim's advice? Go to a command prompt and try the following commands and, in each case, see what response you get: ping 207.7.156.2 ping www.slimdevices.com If the first version gives you responses but the second does not then we will know it's a DNS problem. If neither gets you a response then we know it is something else. -- gcogger gcogger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
Try setting DNS to 4.2.2.1 and see if that makes any difference. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 restarts songs
Please get a log from 7.0 with player.source set to DEBUG. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wow - Squeezebox in Frys
So should we keep an eye on the Fry's sale ads, or is there a pricing agreement like Apple has? It might be a good way of letting some of us who aren't lucky enough to live in the bay area 'score a deal on a product or two' sometime :-) -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
Fifer;248505 Wrote: The picture of the more expensive one shows the Slim Devices logo, the cheaper one shows the Logitech logo. I wonder if anyone daft enough to pay the extra really will get a SD branded SB3? They will definitely not get a SD branded one. They are just using an outdated image. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] progress bar for scanning
Hi there sorry if i'm doing this wrong, where do one whish for a specific feature ? Never the less i would like a progress bar when scanning my music library ? just a small thing for improving the web UI. I think applications that do thing things for a unknown amount of time is anoying, i would like to know if it's going to take 5s our 5 hours cheers -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41019 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] progress bar for scanning
Never the less i would like a progress bar when scanning my music library ? just a small thing for improving the web UI. You'll see some progress information at the bottom of the application windows. You can click that line to get more information about the progress (including bars). ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] progress bar for scanning
Version 7 includes a much better progress status report UI. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41019 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] progress bar for scanning
Please make a screen shot i have never seen this progress information : You'll see some progress information at the bottom of the application windows. You can click that line to get more information about the progress (including bars). the bottom off my browser window is empty, and has been so with every version of slimserver so far ? I use firefox btw i try to see it now I only have this at the topp off the screen: Note: SlimServer is still scanning your music library. Please be patient as this may take a while. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41019 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] progress bar for scanning
i try to see it now I only have this at the topp off the screen: Note: SlimServer is still scanning your music library. Please be patient as this may take a while. I'm sorry, I'm spending too much time on SqueezeCenter 7 - it's not available in SS6. Only in SC7. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] progress bar for scanning
drat i just did an complete rescan :-/ but i have a medium sized file collection so it only takes 5-10 minutes Your music library contains 1012 albums with 13741 songs by 741 artists. thanks anyway, i will try SC7 as soon as it is out of beta -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41019 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] mildly annoying
Not that I'm in the market for any new equipment right now, but it is somewhat annoying to periodically read about the special discounts for the SB and Transporter that are only available to those who happen to be close to Slim Device's headquarters. (Current holiday open house offer for 12/14/07.) It leaves a kind of a salt-in-the-wound feeling. No one is going to die from it but it just has a quality about it that doesn't sit well with the vast majority of customers who are unable to take advantage. I recall that others in the past have expressed similar sentiments. Perhaps a compromise would be to make the deal available to anyone who orders on that particular day. Those who participate in the forums would get an equal shot no matter where they live, but it still wouldn't be opening the floodgates to the world. Just a thought. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
One of the benefits of some people leaving... I don't have the source files for that image. I'll be replacing it soon tho. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
mvalera;248641 Wrote: They will definitely not get a SD branded one. They are just using an outdated image. Mike As is the Slimdevices home page? -- peejay Music is what feelings sound like - Unknown peejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
mvalera;248661 Wrote: One of the benefits of some people leaving... I don't have the source files for that image. I'll be replacing it soon tho. Mike I kind of prefer the old logo, actually.no offence to Logitech intended. -- peejay Music is what feelings sound like - Unknown peejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Careful now...
Many people do prefer it but it is, and has been for a while, officially gone. Slim Devices is no longer a company. We are Logitech. If engineering ever returns our web developer, we'll even have a web site that reflects that. :P Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] mildly annoying
When I saw the offer I did not immediately notice it was only to people who can make it to that location in CA. Cause I actually had the CC in hand ready to order one. But flying to CA from VA is a bit much. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
Thanks for all the suggestions. As ever, it was a PICNIC (Problem In Chair, Not In Computer)... I was certain that I had the mask and gateway correct - exactly the same values as reported by ipconfig when using DHCP. I was about to post the results of ipconfig before and after setting a static IP. *This* time - and yet *none* of the umpteen times I'd looked before - I noticed that in the second half of the setup dialog, the obtain DNS server address automatically radio button had been deselected. Not explicitly by me, but when I chose Use the following IP address some lines above. Setting the DNS / alt DNS to the values reported by ipconfig /all appears to have done the trick. No reboots required (and though the SB3 had gone blank in a huff, a simple power-button, left-arrow then right-arrow did the trick). Doh! You hit the nail on the head, Jim. In (admittedly weak) defence, I argue that the Windows DNS dialog looks almost the same when the automatic button is selected, and when it isn't, as the DNS details in both cases are blank. And none of the instructions I found said anything about having to set the DNS manually - not even those that were in responses to questions about changing from dynamic to static. I guess they thought it was obvious. (Which begs the question: why should I? Why can't it be left as automatic? And for an OS that delights in popping up all sorts of irritating and pointless warnings, reminders and confirmation dialogs, why isn't there a network settings paperclip(*) that pops up and says, You appear to have forgotten to set a DNS address; you must really like IP numbers...?) For the record: the server's running Windows XP; the router is a Linksys WRT54G; I don't see any way to associate MAC addresses to IP addresses in its configuration, and so I assumed it had to be set on the server itself. And yes, when I get annoyed at something like this, it's partly because I just *know* it's going to turn out to be my own fault, and it's really myself I'm annoyed at... Here's hoping that it all still works when I turn it all on again... -- Brian (*) A few seconds' thought suggests that the best creature for a network assistant would have to be a gremlin; or maybe a chicken with an axe sticking out of its head. -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Troubleshoot Live365?
Anyone? This a Live365 issue, not a SB issue? -- rocket j squirrel -- rocket j squirrel rocket j squirrel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
Brian Ritchie;248675 Wrote: Which begs the question: why should I? Why can't it be left as automatic? When you disable getting the IP address, subnet mask and gateway 'automatically' you disable all DHCP. I suppose it _might_ still get only DNS servers from a DHCP server, but I've never heard of doing that. Note that you can do it the other way 'round - get the address automatically but assign DNS servers manually. And for an OS that delights in popping up all sorts of irritating and pointless warnings, reminders and confirmation dialogs, why isn't there a network settings paperclip(*) that pops up and says, You appear to have forgotten to set a DNS address; you must really like IP numbers...? That's a very good question. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Troubleshoot Live365?
Please test Live365 in SqueezeCenter 7, it has been completely rewritten and should be much improved. You will need a SqueezeNetwork account and to enter your Live365 account details on the SN website. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
Ok maybe I was delusional. The problem seems to be unrelated to my wireless network connection controling the server ... The same problem occurs when I run the web browser from the server directly. It is consistant and repeatable. Sadly I cannot run the network performance plugin as it is not compatable with the beta version 7.0. I'm beginning to think it is an incompatibility between the new software and SB1. My Server reports plenty of memory available, so I don't think it is a buffering at the server problem. I thought I could get around this by setting the delay in settings-player--audio--delay but the setting doesn't seem to stick. With no web browser gui running the thing works perfectly. How do I give feedback to the folks updating the software? -- icdsgnr icdsgnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14283 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
icdsgnr wrote: How do I give feedback to the folks updating the software? In the beta forum -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How do I get podcasts out of my squeezebox library?
I recently got a 160GB Ipod Classic and with the huge storage capability decided to rerip my whole collection from FLAC to Apple Lossless so I could just have one library for both my SB3 and iPod. The only problem is now that I have only one file folder for both these applications all my podcasts are now showing up on my SB3! I thought there'd be an easy fix for this - disable every file type but apple lossless on slimserver. And that I can do, sort of, but not completely. A quick check of my podcasts show that the majority are mp3's, but some are in fact mpeg-4 files, just like my apple lossless music. So what do I do here? The only other solution I could see is somehow moving my podcast folder outside of my itunes folder, but that doesn't seem possible. Please someone tell me this has come up before! I listen to a lot of podcasts but don't want my geeky podcasts showing up in my really cool music collection!! -- Pinball Wizard Pinball Wizard's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41021 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Album tracks not appearing in the Player
The only way I can get tracks into the Music Player is to manually add songs/tracks one by one to the Playlist. Why has Slimserver stopped adding the album tracks from the selected album to the Music Player? Thanks Ross No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with giving my server a static IP address
JJZolx;248687 Wrote: When you disable getting the IP address, subnet mask and gateway 'automatically' you disable all DHCP. I suppose it _might_ still get only DNS servers from a DHCP server, but I've never heard of doing that. Note that you can do it the other way 'round - get the address automatically but assign DNS servers manually. That's a very good question. Yes, a very good question.. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2131.txt After skimming the RFC a bit, I can't find anything forbidding making a DISCOVER and grabbing the nameservers from the OFFER, without completing the REQUEST and ACK sequence. It would be very bad to have clients requesting an IP lease, and then not using it from an administrative point of view. DHCP goes like this: (log from my slimserver/dhcp server) DHCPDISCOVER from 00:04:20:1a:01:2e via eth0 DHCPOFFER on 192.168.19.140 to 00:04:20:1a:01:2e via eth0 DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.19.140 (66.92.49.223) from 00:04:20:1a:01:2e via eth0 DHCPACK on 192.168.19.140 to 00:04:20:1a:01:2e via eth0 So I guess it would work, but would go against the spirit of the DHCP design. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes playlist script
This posting was very helpful to the same problem, but I decided to use
Python to solve the issue. This was fairly easy and the xml parsing
appear very fast with cElementTree.
import time
import datetime
import os
import string
import xml.etree.cElementTree as ET
import urllib
##
# Variable Setup
##
itunesxml = C:\Documents and Settings\calvinh\My Documents\My
Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml
#itunesxml = C:\\test\\iTunes Music Library.xml
startM3U =#CURTRACK 0\r\n#EXTM3U\r\n
startName = #EXINF:-1,
plloc = M:\\iTunes\\Playlist\\ #Windows mapped
path
oldpath = file://localhost/M:/iTunes/iTunesMusic/ #iTunes mapped
path
newpath = /ext/Qmultimedia/iTunes/iTunesMusic/ #NAS music
location
blocklist = Library,Audiobooks, Movies, Music, Party Shuffle,
Podcasts, Purchased, TV Shows
rescan =
http://192.168.1.99:9000/status.html?p0=rescan;cauth=c6249a38db11db959094f856e91d2f66;
print Current System Variables
print
print Local iTunes xml file =,itunesxml
print Mapped Playlist location =,plloc
print Local iTunes path =,oldpath
print New NAS path =,newpath
print Current Blocked Playlist =,blocklist
print rescan
print
##
# Export Playlists Rescan Slimserver Library
##
starttime = datetime.datetime.now()
print Script Started @ , starttime
print Parsing Local iTunes Library . . .
print
# Parsing iTunes xml
root = ET.parse(itunesxml).getroot()
#get non-blocked Playlists and Tracks in array
def getPlaylist():
for playlist in root[0].find('array').findall('dict'):
l = list(playlist)
plInfo = dict(zip([t.text for t in l[::2]], [t.text for t in
l[1::2]]))
plName = plInfo.get('Name',0)
plID = plInfo.get('Playlist ID',0)
#check for blocked Playlist and empty directories
if plName not in blocklist and playlist.find('array') is not
None:
plx = playlist.find('array').findall('dict')
print plName + ID = + plID
trackID = []
if playlist.find('array') is not '':
for tr in playlist.find('array').findall('dict'):
l = list(tr)
tracks = dict(zip([t.text for t in l[::2]], [t.text
for t in l[1::2]]))
trackID.append(tracks.get('Track ID',0))
setTrackInfo(plName,trackID)
#write track information to m3u file
def setTrackInfo(fileName,trackID):
trf = file(plloc+fileName+'.m3u','w')
trf.write(startM3U)
for trackList in root[0].find('dict').findall('dict'):
l = list(trackList)
trackInfo = dict(zip([t.text for t in l[::2]], [t.text for t in
l[1::2]]))
track = trackInfo.get('Track ID',0)
trackLoc = trackInfo.get('Location',0)
trackName = trackInfo.get('Name',0)
if track in trackID:
trackLoc = string.replace(trackLoc,oldpath,newpath)
trackLoc = string.replace(trackLoc,'%20',' ')
trf.write('#EXTINF:-1,'+trackName+'\r\n')
trf.write(trackLoc+'\r\n')
trf.close()
#Get iTune playlist and write tracks to E3U file
getPlaylist()
#Send rescan to Slimserver
urllib.urlopen(rescan).read()
##
# End of Playlist script
endtime = datetime.datetime.now()
print
print Script Complete @ , endtime
print Execution Time = ,endtime - starttime
print
##
See attached playlist.txt for proper python formatting
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Re: [slim] Slimserver Skipping on playback over wired or wireless
Just to make you all feel a bit worse. My library is 25k tracks (all lossless) and I often run wireless for both hops. I've never had music skipping (well, not for a few years anyway). A scan take about 1 hour 20 minutes (and this with the majority of the music held on USB 2 connected disks). SlimServer 6.55 runs on a 1.51ghz PIV with 1gb RAM. SlimCentre 7 on a laptop, 1.66ghz Intel Core 2 T5500 with 2gb RAM. Both Windows XP Pro. I am not a computer guru and would have no idea how to tune my system. On thing I'm sure that helps the general stability of the system is that there are no other wirelss networks in range (and when there were I used channel 13, which nicely distanced my network from others). MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 + HICAP NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] mildly annoying
mlsstl;248662 Wrote: Those who participate in the forums would get an equal shot no matter where they live, but it still wouldn't be opening the floodgates to the world. Too quote Smokey Robinson the Miracles - I Second that Emotion! -- Club1820 Club1820's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Naxos radio
This is intended for libraries and colleges where the material can be used for research. These organisations will get a special deal which I believe is considerably cheaper and can therefore they can offer listening access to their customers as part of their normal service. The customer listens to music probably outside of their normal taste and if they like it Naxos is likely to gain a new sale since their CD prices are usual very reasonable or it is possible to get DRM free downloads from some Naxos partners at around $6 a CD for 192K MP3. (ogg used to be available, not sure if it still is. Although this was originally intended for libraries, colleges and music schools, Naxos Radio has grown to be very popular service among individual music enthusiast. The cost is USD9.95/year for 20Kbps quality and USD19.95/year for 64kpbs quality. Naxos music tracks and albums are also available DRM free from their online music download store ClassiscOnline (http://ClassicsOnline.com), among others like, iTunes Store, Amazon, eMusic, etc. -- vinko vinko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14395 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15032 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] mildly annoying
I concur - I'd love to be able to get $500 off a transporter but it's a long and expensive flight from Melbourne, Australia... Perhaps there's a clever solution that can be foundespecially for supporters and advocates from afar... -- bossanova808 bossanova808's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
