Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: I emailed Olive last night . here's their reply Regarding multi-room synchronized playback: we probably won#8217;t use UPnP for this, but more about this later #8230;. Much of the information about their (proposed) player is very vague and why I think many SB users cannot really say yet if Olive One is a possible SB replacement. Not knocking Olive, it's an unfinished project still in development, so Olive themselves don't even know yet what the final hardware might be. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch
nelamvr6 wrote: Cambridge Audio has 2, the Stream Magic 6 and the NP-30 Denon has the DNP720AE Olive has several units that will work just fine. And that's not even counting home brewed units using Raspnerry Pis... He probably meant with all the capabilities and flexibility of the Touch. It is a tall order. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97579 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: I emailed Olive last night re gapless play back etc, and here's their reply ... Hello tgoward2011, yes we will support gapless playback. Regarding multi-room synchronized playback: we probably wont use UPnP for this, but more about this later . You might also suggest to them that the player support ReplayGain tags (album or track) and even better use something like SmartGain in the LMS (that is, if one is playing an entire album, it uses ALBUM RG tag and if one is playing songs from different albums (random or playlist) it uses TRACK RG tag, and all this is done automatically. And of course one can select to NOT use RG tags. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch
nelamvr6 wrote: Cambridge Audio has 2, the Stream Magic 6 and the NP-30 Denon has the DNP720AE Olive has several units that will work just fine. And that's not even counting home brewed units using Raspnerry Pis... some of these use DLNA/upnp, which won't handle gapless and can't be perfectly synched across multiple players. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97579 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch
Even the $500 Denon DNP720AE does not have an HDMI out? How the hell are we supposed to play our 5.1 FLAC files? :( Morbeas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53547 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97579 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What can I do now? Squeezebox classic died
You might try squeezeslave on your htpc. I set it up as a service on my windows box using srvany. Also (probably not an issue with a HTPC), squeezeslave can output through ASIO or Direct Sound. I'm using a Behringer UCA202 to convert ASIO over USB to SPDIF, then that SPDIF to a receiver with decent DAC. SS supports 44.1khz (same as CD) only, so not a good solution for high def or internet audio streams at some other (lower) sampling rate. I bought a spare SB3 on eBay so when one of my SB3s dies I have a spare. bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97577 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
garym wrote: You might also suggest to them that the player support ReplayGain tags (album or track) and even better use something like SmartGain in the LMS (that is, if one is playing an entire album, it uses ALBUM RG tag and if one is playing songs from different albums (random or playlist) it uses TRACK RG tag, and all this is done automatically. And of course one can select to NOT use RG tags. I think I'm getting the point. Many of us later converts to Squeezebox just don't realise how much work has been done over the years to the software, and tend to take it for granted ( see examples in the quote above). Oh well, at least everything still works at present. I just worry that if any Squeezebox replacement is born from these forums, it is likely to be a geek driven exercise, which will make it even more of a niche product. No criticism of geeks implied or intended, by the way. gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: I think I'm getting the point. Many of us later converts to Squeezebox just don't realise how much work has been done over the years to the software, and tend to take it for granted ( see examples in the quote above). Oh well, at least everything still works at present. I just worry that if any Squeezebox replacement is born from these forums, it is likely to be a geek driven exercise, which will make it even more of a niche product. No criticism of geeks implied or intended, by the way. I'm just thinking out loud, but it probably needs to be a niche product for me. I'd pay triple the price for a squeezebox-like quality product that had the software to back it up (i.e., not some sort of hacked DLNA/upnp). Those that just want simple will end up with appleSomething that can stream to their home system via their ithing and/or an appleTV or something. And more power to them. It works (mostly), it is simple, and you don't need to understand much of anything to use it. Even the music lovers I know get a very glazed look when I try to explain how my system works. And don't even bother trying to talk about gapless, ReplayGain, perfect sync across different players, automatic downconverting of 16/44.1 files so that players all work, etc. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sirius/XM Support?
Does anybody know whether Logitechless have dropped support for Sirius/XM on the SB line? I use it only rarely, but my wife tried to tune a station the other day. It played for about one minute and stopped, with a message like you are no longer logged in. Tried again, same result. Tried repeatedly, with different Sirius/XM stations, on different devices in the house (Touches, Radios, Receivers, Booms), always same result: play for about one minute, then stop. If they've dropped support, I know there's nothing we can do, but if it's just an intermittent problem or anybody has discovered a workaround, I'd like to hear about it. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97614 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sirius/XM Support?
Dogberry2 wrote: Does anybody know whether Logitechless have dropped support for Sirius/XM on the SB line? I use it only rarely, but my wife tried to tune a station the other day. It played for about one minute and stopped, with a message like you are no longer logged in. Tried again, same result. Tried repeatedly, with different Sirius/XM stations, on different devices in the house (Touches, Radios, Receivers, Booms), always same result: play for about one minute, then stop. If they've dropped support, I know there's nothing we can do, but if it's just an intermittent problem or anybody has discovered a workaround, I'd like to hear about it. working fine for me. Always been a bit glitchy. Can play for hours with no issue, then sometimes it will stop and have to hit play to get Sirius going again. But I just checked a few stations and all are working for me. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97614 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sirius/XM Support?
Dogberry2 wrote: Does anybody know whether Logitechless have dropped support for Sirius/XM on the SB line? I use it only rarely, but my wife tried to tune a station the other day. It played for about one minute and stopped, with a message like you are no longer logged in. Tried again, same result. Tried repeatedly, with different Sirius/XM stations, on different devices in the house (Touches, Radios, Receivers, Booms), always same result: play for about one minute, then stop. If they've dropped support, I know there's nothing we can do, but if it's just an intermittent problem or anybody has discovered a workaround, I'd like to hear about it. I used to use the NOT So Sirius plugin until Sirius changed things. I found it worked great with very little issue. Now I use the Logitech App and it does strange things sometimes. Especially I find when select by channel. I find if I use a preset like on my boom I have a lot less issues. froth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97614 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
gruntwolla wrote: I just worry that if any Squeezebox replacement is born from these forums, it is likely to be a geek driven exercise, which will make it even more of a niche product. No criticism of geeks implied or intended, by the way. I think it depends on the driving force behind it: - If it's a free community developed product, I think you are right, it's likely going to be technical, very customizable and flexable and not necessarily easy to use. - If it's a commercial product which some people in the community has been involved in developing, it does not have to become a geek product, in this case it's economics that drives it and important music listening features are included while geek only features will be dropped. Hopefully the experience from Squeezebox usage can still result in a good prioritization so features that are important for music listening are still included even if would probably be a lot less customizable than the Squeezebox is today. I personally don't think a free community developed product is the best long term solution for most of us, I think it would be preferred if it's somewhat business driven, but for long term survival and to make it possible to do the prioritization right. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
garym wrote: I'm just thinking out loud, but it probably needs to be a niche product for me. I'd pay triple the price for a squeezebox-like quality product that had the software to back it up (i.e., not some sort of hacked DLNA/upnp). Those that just want simple will end up with appleSomething that can stream to their home system via their ithing and/or an appleTV or something. And more power to them. It works (mostly), it is simple, and you don't need to understand much of anything to use it. Even the music lovers I know get a very glazed look when I try to explain how my system works. And don't even bother trying to talk about gapless, ReplayGain, perfect sync across different players, automatic downconverting of 16/44.1 files so that players all work, etc. The question is just if it needs to be niche or if it's enough that the people behind it really understands music listening so they can do the right prioritization. Personally I suspect there is something in-between niche and mass market, if it's more software oriented than hardware oriented it's also easier to find a common ground, for many companies in the market today it's often the hardware that result in that they have to choose to either be niche or be mass market. DLNA/UPnP is an example of a software driven approach, where you can get mass market hardware and high quality hardware and make it work in the same system depending on your needs, the problem with DLNA/UPnP is just that parts of that standard is too generic and more optimized for video usage than advanced music listening and whole house audio. So while the media server part of the DLNA/UPnP standard works for music, the rendering and control point parts have problems related to music listening which are hard to solve and make compatible between different hardware manufacturers. In hardware oriented solutions, like Apple, Sonos or solutions by Hifi manufacturers, you are typically restricted to a certain market segment by the hardware which makes them prioritize software features to be included based on the hardware market segment they have chosen to place themselves in. Due to this, these systems is rarely good both for audiophiles, whole house audio, advanced music listening and ease of use, typically the hardware forces them to select one or another. It's also hard for hardware oriented solutions to try to market a single brand both to audiophiles and mass market users, usually you need to select one type of users because audiophiles will generally not respect the brand if it's also sold to mass market users. Audiophiles is also a complex segment because the marketing is controlled by magazines and HiFi stores, so even if you would be able to attract the actual audiophile users, it might be hard to market the product unless you also attract correct magazines and HiFi store owners. I believe Slim Devices had some issues related to this when they tried to get respect for the Transporter among audiophiles. I think Olive One feels more hardware oriented than software oriented, so I suspect they are going to get themselves into similar issues as Apple, Sonos and other HiFi manufacturers have, but it's a bit early to tell this for sure at the current stage. I would also be a bit worried that their community funded/designed approach, which is more software oriented, is going to make it hard for them to do the right prioritization. It can easily turn them into a geek product that won't get them the necessary volumes to survive on longer terms. Logitech tried to do both high-end niche products like Transporter and Squeezebox Touch and low end mass market products like Squeezebox Radio, which covered a very large spectrum of users, their problem was just that their management never really fully understood music listening and whole house audio and this is clearly illustrated with the priorities they made when they released the UE Smart Radio concept. They did understand part of the problem and removed some complexity related to server switching, but the way they prioritized features to simplify the device clearly shows that they didn't understand music listening and releasing it with a single device showed that they didn't understand whole house audio. All this resulted in a simple internet radio kind of product and still trying to sell this to a price placed in the niche segment is not going to work, if the UE Smart Radio would cost $50 (or possibly up to $99) it would be a difference scenario, but at $179 people will expect it to do a lot more than it currently does. Still, it's going to be interesting to see how the market evolves during the next 6-12 months, if we are lucky we might get a lot of new creative products who tries to take a part of the market segment which Logitech no longer fills. I think it's probably going to take a year or two before we see the result, because companies trying to take a part of the market probably started to adjust their
Re: [slim] Sirius/XM Support?
Thanks for the replies, guys. I'll try playing with it some more and see what happens. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97614 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Olive One - any downsides?
Well, I for one will be watching Olive One closely over the next year. I like the approach: open source, community input, multi-room capability, decent price point. Let's face it, the odds that another product comes along that does everything Squeeze does, and more, is highly unlikely. I'll be satisfied if someone gets all the really important things right, then takes it in a different direction that makes the thing viable in the market. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97599 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] heard on the grapevine: replacement for Squeezebox Touch
jimzak wrote: He probably meant with all the capabilities and flexibility of the Touch. It is a tall order. Yes I did. But even the SB3, those you listed aren't even close. The Cambridge is probably the closest, but it doesn't have a wide variety of control options, and you can't mainipulate the database to suit you. Does it even play high rez? From what I can tell, none of these do - even the Ras Pi is not powerful enough, and doesn't have any form of digital output. Only USB which is no good for me. Since I acquired my Touch, I've been garnering a large collection of 24/96 FLACs. I take it there is still no alternative to the Squeezebox. Except maybe the Sooloos at 100x the price. amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97579 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
