Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread Corelli45

I I'm sorry if this is a silly question but I'm trying to weigh up the
options here. Will the Community Squeeze OS ever be able to run on a
Squeezebox Touch?



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread marflao

Hi everybody,

as far as I understood it the wandboard could be used as an altenative
or substitute streaming device for a SB device.

So let´s assume my beloved Touch will go to the happy hunting ground
would I then be able to play my music - which is stored on a Syno NAS -
via the wandboard (which would be connected to my DAC via Spdif cable)?

If the answer would be Yes is there a limitiation regarding the
bitrates (e. g. flacs  24/96 won´t be played)?
Any other restraints I should keep in mind?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Cheers,
marflao



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread JackOfAll

Corelli45 wrote: 
 I I'm sorry if this is a silly question but I'm trying to weigh up the
 options here. Will the Community Squeeze OS ever be able to run on a
 Squeezebox Touch?

The short answer is no. Providing a release of CSOS that would run on
the Touch is not something we intend to do. Which is not to say that at
some point in the future there couldn't be a community released firmware
(OS) for the Touch, but I see that as being unlikely, unless there is a
compelling reason to do so.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread bakker_be

erland wrote: 
 As I've understood, people who want to hook it up to a TV and use a
 IR-remote would use a flirc adapter (http://flirc.tv/) and put it in one
 of the USB ports. 
 
 We will see if an actual IR-remote and the flirc adapter is included in
 the package in gen 2 or if it's something that the customer have to
 purchase separately, either way should work, it's just a matter of if
 most users wants it (so it can be included in the package) or only a few
 users wants it (so it's better to let them buy it separately).
I just looked into the FLIRC thingy, and I don't really like that idea
from an aesthetic point of view. At the moment I never touch my Touch,
it's controlled through my Harmony remote, in large part because that's
the only way my wife actually manages to get music playing. Given the
sound quality predictions of this project I would probably want to put
it in place of my Touch, but that would mean, if I want to keep using my
Harmony, that there's some kind of unsightly dongle sticking out of the
front, just to keep the IR-receiver in line of sight.



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread JackOfAll

marflao wrote: 
 
 as far as I understood it the wandboard could be used as an altenative
 or substitute streaming device for a SB device (pls correct me if I´m
 wrong).

Correct! 

marflao wrote: 
 
 So let´s assume my beloved Touch will go to the happy hunting ground
 would I then be able to play my music - which is stored on a Syno NAS -
 via the wandboard (which would be connected to my DAC via Spdif cable)?

Right now, before the John Swenson DAC board is released which will have
an electrical SPDIF output, the default Wandboard carrier board has a
TOSLINK out, but does not have a COAX SPDIF out.

marflao wrote: 
 
 If the answer would be Yes is there a limitiation regarding the
 bitrates (e. g. flacs  24/96 won´t be played)?
 Any other restraints I should keep in mind?
 

The current audio (software) driver limits the output from the TOSLINK
to 48k. But if you wanted an electrical SPDIF out prior to the release
of the JS DAC carrier board, there are plenty of options for USB to
SPDIF converters that you could plug into the Wandboard USB port, so you
would be able to hook up your current DAC via electrical SPDIF.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread JJZolx

bakker_be wrote: 
 I just looked into the FLIRC thingy, and I don't really like that idea
 from an aesthetic point of view.

Aesthetics? No. This thing isn't being designed to sell at Neiman
Marcus. In the end there will likely be the basis for a viable
commercial product, but not the product itself.



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread mintaudio

The musical fidelity vlink2 will work nicely with most modern linux
distros (so should be fine on the Fedora used in Community Squeeaze) as
an asynch USB to SPDIF adapter.

You can use the M2tech Hiface but you need to build the driver for it -
https://github.com/panicking/snd-usb-asyncaudio/wiki



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread marflao

JackOfAll wrote: 
 Correct! 
 
 
 
 Right now, before the John Swenson DAC board is released which will have
 an electrical SPDIF output, the default Wandboard carrier board has a
 TOSLINK out, but does not have a COAX SPDIF out.
 
 
 
 The current audio (software) driver limits the output from the TOSLINK
 to 48k. But if you wanted an electrical SPDIF out prior to the release
 of the JS DAC carrier board, there are plenty of options for USB to
 SPDIF converters that you could plug into the Wandboard USB port, so you
 would be able to hook up your current DAC via electrical SPDIF and
 depending on the converter you chose, it would support higher sample
 rates.

Thanks for the quick reply. I really appreciate that!!

Cheers, 
marflao



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread socistep

agillis wrote: 
 Simplicity. 
 
 That's what you get that you don't have now. Drop a CD in the drive and
 it shows up on your SqueezeBox 5 minutes later. One box, no hassles.

+1

I have been running vortexbox for a number of years and its great, not
just for auto ripping CD's but also DVD's which are both then
automatically updated on LMS and plex for Roku DVD streaming. The CD
tagging accuracy is very good, occsionally get a unknown artist but
rarely, every few months I'll manually update the tags with mp3tag to
make sure genre/year etc. is how I want it.

Having a young family this simplicity and time saving is a big plus for
me, my server runs quietly hidden away and vortexbox automates a lot of
this, occasionally need to reboot which I can easy do on my tablet via
the web interface



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread bakker_be

JJZolx wrote: 
 Aesthetics? No. This thing isn't being designed to sell at Neiman
 Marcus. In the end there will likely be the basis for a viable
 commercial product, but not the product itself.
I hope you're intending this as a joke ;) I personally see no reason why
a DIY project should be ugly, especially when JS is already thinking
about an extruded aluminium casing and other niceties. At the moment all
my equipment is in an open faced cabinet underneath my television and I
have no intention of changing that. Having a USB-dongle stick out at the
front in permanence would certainly be confronted with a low WAF.



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Re: [slim] Is there any continued development of the Squeezebox server software?

2013-04-11 Thread DaveWr

bobk...@digido.com wrote: 
 Based on the recent replies in this thread (thank you all), my best bet
 is to try applescripting a wav conversion for incoming PT wavs. I do
 hope that someone tries to resurrect LMS independently. In the meantime
 I'm going to move to a computer-based player, it's my best option for a
 platform that's being continually developed. 
 
 Logitech, what were they thinking? I paid over $2000 for the Transporter
 and a squeezebox...  for it to go dead because the server software is
 left to die a slow death. I'll bet some home theatre installers put
 these into home networks for their customers and must be pretty pissed,
 too.

Server software was free, big mistake.  No continued funds to maintain. 
Coupled with many third parties producing software players, resulting in
even less revenue for Logitech.



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Re: [slim] Is MySB.com down?

2013-04-11 Thread toby10

Rhapsody  MySB.com working fine for me, including Rhapsody  Search. 
Tried player  router reboot?



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread maggior

socistep wrote: 
 +1
 
 I have been running vortexbox for a number of years and its great, not
 just for auto ripping CD's but also DVD's which are both then
 automatically updated on LMS and plex for Roku DVD streaming. The CD
 tagging accuracy is very good, occsionally get a unknown artist but
 rarely, every few months I'll manually update the tags with mp3tag to
 make sure genre/year etc. is how I want it.
 
 Having a young family this simplicity and time saving is a big plus for
 me, my server runs quietly hidden away and vortexbox automates a lot of
 this, occasionally need to reboot which I can easy do on my tablet via
 the web interface

Huh, I didn't know vortex box supported DVDs too.  What format does it
rip too?  Which Roku are you using to stream?

Thanks,
Rich



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread garym

maggior wrote: 
 Huh, I didn't know vortex box supported DVDs too.  What format does it
 rip too?  Which Roku are you using to stream?
 
 Thanks,
 Rich

I'm not sure about options, but without changing anything it produces
.mkv files. And runs PLEX for streaming video to other things (boxee
box, roku, etc.).  I ripped some DVDs but haven't actually set up a way
to stream to TV yet.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread castalla

There's no need to have the flirc sticking out at the front - I have
used one for ages in various devices - it works without direct
line-of-sight.  It's a very useful gizmo - easily programmed  really
flexible.  And a percentage of the low-cost goes to a charitable
foundation.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread Mnyb

bakker_be wrote: 
 I hope you're intending this as a joke ;) I personally see no reason why
 a DIY project should be ugly, especially when JS is already thinking
 about an extruded aluminium casing and other niceties. At the moment all
 my equipment is in an open faced cabinet underneath my television and I
 have no intention of changing that. Having a USB-dongle stick out at the
 front in permanence would certainly be confronted with a low WAF.

Thing is that they intend to develop the product in 3 stages a 0,5 beta
that is so fugly that only select devs ever will see it , a 01 kit
product that a wider selection of beta tester could be using and if all
goes really well a 02 version that is more or less a true product .

But even then I would not min an ir dongle solution , it not that hideus
?



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread bakker_be

Mnyb wrote: 
 Thing is that they intend to develop the product in 3 stages a 0,5 beta
 that is so fugly that only select devs ever will see it , a 01 kit
 product that a wider selection of beta tester could be using and if all
 goes really well a 02 version that is more or less a true product .
 
 But even then I would not min an ir dongle solution , it not that hideus
 ?

I'd be quite happy with the 01 KIT-version, but I do find a USB stick
poking out of the front quite ugly, not to mention the issues with
cleaning: I can just see my wife with her duster, knocking into it,
breaking the whole thing ...



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread castalla

bakker_be wrote: 
 I'd be quite happy with the 01 KIT-version, but I do find a USB stick
 poking out of the front quite ugly, not to mention the issues with
 cleaning: I can just see my wife with her duster, knocking into it,
 breaking the whole thing ...

Read above !



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread asplundj

bakker_be wrote: 
 I'd be quite happy with the 01 KIT-version, but I do find a USB stick
 poking out of the front quite ugly, not to mention the issues with
 cleaning: I can just see my wife with her duster, knocking into it,
 breaking the whole thing ...

Do the cleaning yourself, then

/Johan
sorry, I had to



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread JackOfAll

Mnyb wrote: 
 Thing is that they intend to develop the product in 3 stages a 0,5 beta
 that is so fugly that only select devs ever will see it , a 01 kit
 product that a wider selection of beta tester could be using and if all
 goes really well a 02 version that is more or less a true product .

Yes, that's pretty much it. 
Gen 0.5 is John producing a couple of hand-built boards for
development.
Gen 1 with be a fabrication run of a small number of boards, (perhaps
25), to get wider testing. (But still not a public, everyone who wants
one can have one, release. It is the pre-cursor to a much larger Gen 2
production run and will allow the design to be finalised and any bugs
worked out.)
Gen 2 will be the first public production run, where we aim to make
available for purchase, via at least 2 distributors... 
1) The DAC carrier board 
2) A ready to go, pre-built player, assembled and comprising, JS DAC
carrier board, Wandboard CPU card, Hammond extruded ali chassis,
front/rear panels, (glass fibre PCB material), a power supply, and a
pre-imaged SDCARD.

More info will follow.



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread bakker_be

castalla wrote: 
 Read above !
I did read it, but I find I'm a bit hesitant to gamble £20 + shipping
(around €30 total) on it working as it does for you, in my environment
;)



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread bakker_be

asplundj wrote: 
 do the cleaning yourself, then
 
 /johan
 sorry, i had to

roflmao



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Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?

2013-04-11 Thread kesey

dasmueller wrote: 
 That's encouraging. It will however leave a segment of potential users w
 the dilemma of how to control the system if they do not have a
 smartphone, tablet or Pc in the listening area to control it-probably a
 small group and not the target user.

All sorted. I've checked with the only 3 Squeezebox users on the planet
who do not have either a smartphone, tablet, laptop, pc,  or duet
controller and they reckon they'll figure things out.



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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream

2013-04-11 Thread Chrobrego

pippin wrote: 
 
 Also, it's more than just knowing how to operate your server, you also
 have to organize your music, probably in several libraries and on
 several devices.
 No. The majority of users will want to stream from their laptop when
 using local music, I'm pretty sure about that.
 Which doesn't mean that supporting servers/NAS isn't important, too.

Please be inspired by Apple, don't propose to consumers what they want
but what they need. In a music home ecosystem the local music must be
centrally stored and always available, otherwise you are not going to be
able to guarantee the optimal user experience, both in managing and
enjoying the music. Guide the user, enforce the right ecosystem.



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[slim] Playlists gone wild

2013-04-11 Thread rp9197

I've recently started using my Squeezeboxes and Transporter after
several years off.  Thanks to help here on these forums I was able to
get everything working smoothly or so I thought.  Playback was glitch
free connecting three rooms wirelessly for a couple of days then I
started to get tweaked.  A box might drop out or freeze and need some
attention etc.  For the past few days my system has been almost unusable
because of the playlists randomly doing crazy things.  If I try to play
a few albums they might appear to be listed in the correct order in the
playlist at first.  Then a few songs in every song might be suddenly
scattered or you might get six songs of one album then the others etc. 
I've tried using Ipeng, remote and only using LMS all with the same
results.

I was initially overjoyed to have the Squeezeboxes back.  I could get
used to the different interface and I was thrilled to be rid of the
Sonos track limit and able to play more of my music.  The Sonos was rock
solid and almost never irritated me even though hooked up wirelessly.  I
could wire them in or get some Homeplugs I guess but seeing LMS not be
able to keep a playlist straight on the server itself has me thinking I
would be in the same boat.

LMS 7.8
IMAC/OSX10.6.8
Transporter and two Squeezebox 3's



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread jfo

garym wrote: 
 I'm not sure about options, but without changing anything it produces
 .mkv files. And runs PLEX for streaming video to other things (boxee
 box, roku, etc.).  I ripped some DVDs but haven't actually set up a way
 to stream to TV yet.

I use my Oppo to stream movies to my theater system. It's an excellent
multi disc player and the DLNA feature works perfectly with LMS.



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Re: [slim] Playlists gone wild

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Herger

playlist at first.  Then a few songs in every song might be suddenly
scattered or you might get six songs of one album then the others etc.
I've tried using Ipeng, remote and only using LMS all with the same
results.


Make sure you didn't leave a book or other on the IR remote... it happened  
to me too: something was constantly pressing some button.


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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread maggior

garym wrote: 
 I'm not sure about options, but without changing anything it produces
 .mkv files. And runs PLEX for streaming video to other things (boxee
 box, roku, etc.).  I ripped some DVDs but haven't actually set up a way
 to stream to TV yet.

Huh, interesting.  From a quick googling, it looks like this will work
with the Logitech Revue too (google TV).

When it creates the MKV files, does it determine the main program?  Does
it rip the entire disc to a single file?  If a single file, is the DVD
menu supported?

I did look at the Vortex website and I couldn't really see answers to
these questions.

I should probably just download the image and try it out.

Thanks!!
Rich



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Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze

2013-04-11 Thread Triode

JackOfAll wrote: 
 The short answer is no. Providing a release of CSOS that would run on
 the Touch is not something we intend to do. Which is not to say that at
 some point in the future there couldn't be a community released firmware
 (OS) for the Touch, but I see that as being unlikely, unless there is a
 compelling reason to do so.

Let me add to this - I don't see any need for this at present. 
Community Squeeze is designed to enable new players to be able to do
similar things to the Squeezebox Touch and enable them to fully
integrate with an LMS based system with a local LMS server either
running on an existing server or as part of Community Squeeze.  That is
our target is to be able to support local server based playback.  If at
some point in the future there is a reason why existing Squeezebox Touch
devices lose functionality then we could consider what subset of the
solution is worthwhile to implement on the Touch (its already one of my
development test targets, but only to prove that I can match what it
does for playback..)



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread garym

maggior wrote: 
 Huh, interesting.  From a quick googling, it looks like this will work
 with the Logitech Revue too (google TV).
 
 When it creates the MKV files, does it determine the main program?  Does
 it rip the entire disc to a single file?  If a single file, is the DVD
 menu supported?
 
 I did look at the Vortex website and I couldn't really see answers to
 these questions.
 
 I should probably just download the image and try it out.
 
 Thanks!!
 Rich

Don't really know. I've ripped a few concert disks. And opened some to
see what happened by clicking on the (only) file with vlc on my laptop
to see that they play. So really don't know much yet. But I'm guessing
what I have is a single file with only main menu item.



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Re: [slim] What does VortexBox give me that I didn't know I needed?

2013-04-11 Thread vining

While it rips DVDs and Blu-Ray discs to .mkv it will also mirror to mp4
and/or m2ts if you want.  You need to get an MKV license though for
$50.00.  A vortexbox can also output 3-5 independant streams or audio
outs, 3 analogue and 2 more by  using USB DACs.  It's great if you have
a centralized distributed audio system with a matrix audio switcher for
routing music to your zones.



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Re: [slim] lossless internet radio streaming in FLAC!

2013-04-11 Thread Memford

Testing Absolute Radio UK's 60s, 70s, 90s, and 00s streams today, I
found only the 60s stream to be lossy.  Looks like it's time to bug the
station with another report, as the 60s stream has been lossy for weeks,
if not months.

Your lossless stream URLs (in a *decent* player like VLC or
foobar2000):

http://icecast.as34763.net/absoluteradio.co.uk/a7flac.ogg (70s)

http://icecast.as34763.net/absoluteradio.co.uk/a9flac.ogg (90s)

http://icecast.as34763.net/absoluteradio.co.uk/a0flac.ogg (00s)



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Re: [slim] Playlists gone wild

2013-04-11 Thread Mnyb

You have t turned on shuffle on some of the synced players ?

Even if get wifi related unreliabilities it should not play games with
the playlist so I suggest that you treat them as separate issues.

Do you use any plugin that could manipulate the current playlist ? is
this static playlist that you built ?



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