Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
I would consider taking the Android route. In my experience, you need to tinker less that way. Just make sure the Android box has the connectors you need. Adding peripherals such as USB audio devices can be a pain on Android. (Sometimes, it can even be impossible if the device isn't class-compliant). But then, you simply install the SB player app or the SqueezePlayer app on the box and you're good to go. Of course, it wouldn't hurt to check beforehand if the Android box you're getting is compatible with the aforementioned apps. On the forums, both apps have their own dedicated thread. The alternative way to go is a small-board computer like the Raspberry Pi. This gives you a lot of flexibility. With those, you can integrate small LCD displays, hardware buttons, IR receivers, and many other things. But the flexibility comes at a price. In my experience, things won't just work out-of-the-box. You need to mess around with linux distibutions, you may have to tinker with things such as buffer sizes, and you may have to add a DAC. Particularly, in the case of a Raspberry Pi, the on-board audio just isn't good enough for most applications. Thus, usually, one needs to install and configure a DAC. dafiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android TV Sticks/Boxes as Squeezebox Replacement
I had this little device lying around my place for some time now (picked it up at a daily deal site some time ago): Archos 35 Home Connect: http://store.archos.com/archos-home-connect-p-5027.htm?id=5027 16386 It's basically a radio alarm clock running Android 2.2 and comes with TuneIn Radio. Sound quality is fair, considered the size of the device. I installed SqueezePlayer on it and it's now a part of my Squeezebox setup playing in our guest bathroom. +---+ |Filename: archos_home_connect.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16386| +---+ wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.
lynniemagoo wrote: Ralphy, Excellent work. I now have a new Corei5 NUC with Intel HD Audio over HDMI running with both squeezeplayer and squeezelite. What I am seeing is that for some flac files, I am having some dropouts in the FLAC playback at various locations - =100ms. In the past, I have overcome this by extracting to WAV and reencoding with Flac 1.2.1. These files also have 1000x1000 jacket pics inside them as tags. When I first noticed this issue, Foobar reported a problem converting my FLAC file to WAV. In the past, this has been an indicator of a problem. However, today, I have no issues converting with Foobar to WAV. So, several questions. 1) Is there anyone who has experienced such issues? 2) Is there a FLAC 1.3.X version of the dll for the SqueezePlayer install that anyone could share? (I don't compilation environment to build the dll). 3) Is there a FLAC 1.3.X version of SqueezeLite or does anyone know if it is on the roadmap? Technical Details and more information before anyone asks: 1. Logitech Media Server 7.7.3 installed on ReadyNAS NV1100 with expanded memory. Gigabit network - All music is on a USB 1.0 hard drive attached to the rear. Have moved to different share and also to a dedicated PC running Media Server with no differing results. 2. Intel NUC CoreI5 player Win7 x64 Pro, Gigabit network, 8MB RAM is running SqueezeLite from post #1 of this thread as a service. I am also able to reproduce this problem running the SqueezePlay from the build in Post #1 of this thread. 3. I don't currently have logs from any of the runs. I have eliminated questions about buffering or jitter by using iPad and IPeng to back up the playback say, 20 seconds and listen to the same section of music over and over. The jitters always occur in the same places. 4. Jacket pictures are embedded in the files and are 1000x1000 jpg or png images. Same results occur if jacket pictures are removed. 5. I have tried converting to WAV and reencoding music with Flac 1.2.1 and 1.3.0 with same results. Interestingly enough, when flipped from 1.3.0 to 1.2.1, 1 song was corrected but a hiccup was noted in another file (maybe it was there with 1.3.0 as well but did not check). I don't want to abandon this platform as I have tons of Lo Res CDs (over 2000) that are indexed and managed through the server and played back on various Duet players throughout the household (I have 5 duet receivers and 2 controllers + iPad). I am open to recommendations as to how others manage hi-resolution content (up to 192KB) as I would like to have both Low and High Res content alongside one another without having to switch libraries, etc... Looking forward to a reply here. Many thanks. Regards, Lynnie Have you tried setting/changing the USEPALATENCY environment variable as described in post #1? Also ensure you're running r417. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donationsbusiness=LL5P6365KQEXNlc=CAitem_name=Squeezeslavecurrency_code=USDbn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android TV Sticks/Boxes as Squeezebox Replacement
wortgefecht wrote: I had this little device lying around my place for some time now (picked it up at a daily deal site some time ago): Archos 35 Home Connect: http://store.archos.com/archos-home-connect-p-5027.htm?id=5027 16386 It's basically a radio alarm clock running Android 2.2 and comes with TuneIn Radio. Sound quality is fair, considered the size of the device. I installed SqueezePlayer on it and it's now a part of my Squeezebox setup playing in our guest bathroom. I thought it was a low-quality solutionn until the battery went flat and it wouldn't boot from AC power - binned it. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 8 Design Poll
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102134 Question: Do you want to see the status bar on iPhone 5, 5s and iTouch 5G - Yes, show me the status bar! - No, I prefer to have the clean screen. - I don't care Hm, this result almost makes me thing whether I should even hide the status bar on the bigger iPhones (6 and 6+) Looks like a pretty clear hide it on iPhone 5/5s --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 7, the Universal App for iOS 7* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102134 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
bigblackdog wrote: Robert, thinking of going down the raspberry pi, hifi berry dac route as well. What is the output quality like. I haven't been able to find any user feedback on this. I am finding LMS 7.9 is the most solid it has ever been so don't want to use any other system. Sounds pretty good to me. But of course you can always take USB output to an existing DAC if you prefer that. Robert Touch DacMagic 100 Naim Audio Nait 3 Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 and Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 SqueezePad, iPeng, Squeezeplay, piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry, piCorePlayerDacMagic XS QNAP TS-239, LMS 7.8 last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android TV Sticks/Boxes as Squeezebox Replacement
castalla wrote: I thought it was a low-quality solutionn until the battery went flat and it wouldn't boot from AC power - binned it. Strange, I never had any battery or power issues so far. But low-quality it is, definitely. That's why it's located where it is ... wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android TV Sticks/Boxes as Squeezebox Replacement
wortgefecht wrote: Strange, I never had any battery or power issues so far. But low-quality it is, definitely. That's why it's located where it is ... A cheap android phone with a replaceable battery is a better option! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99865 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement system recommendations
paulster wrote: I used to use MOG, and now I use Spotify, so I'm a paid streaming service customer. I do know that Rhapsody is a problem, but there are perfectly viable alternatives that work just fine. That's very good to know, thank you! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102119 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement system recommendations
philippe_44 wrote: I've been a user of many SB devices (3 Boom, 4 radio, 4 receiver, 1 Touch, 1 SB3 ...) I really love these devices, but I have to confess, at the risk of receiving tomatoes, that I've now added 2 Sonos:1, 1 Sonos:3 and 1 Sonos:5 and I was able to have them reasonably intregrated with LMS system. LMS is still the center, but I the Sonos:5 acts as a gateway between the 2 systems using the SB Touch and, to my real surprise, the synchronization between the 2 system is absolutely perfect. I'm really amazed as there is no audible lag between the 2 and it can last for hours. Of course, I have to move to Sonos controller when I want to switch on/off the Sonos speakers, but at the end, this is a really good setting - I still love my SB system (still improving it :-)) I'd be interested i understanding how this works - do you point the Sonos system to LMS for its music library? And how does syncing work, other than by trying to rpess play at the same time :) If I could move slowly over to a mixed economy that would be ideal ... Main system: SB Touch, Arcam A85, Tannoy V4i speakers SB Classic into JVC R-1XL Stereo Receiver and JPW bookshelf speakers (an Ebay/ Freecycle set up!) SB Boom, Logitech Z4 subwoofer SB Radio LMS 7.8.0 running on WHS 2011 on a HP Prolaint Microserver Orange Squeeze/ Squeeze Commander on Google Nexus 7 and HTC One JonWill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20259 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102119 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
SlimChances wrote: One of those devices connected to an inexpensive DAC and powered speakers may be all you need. I haven't done substantive research on the available options, but for this approach the AudioEngine 2+ self-powered speakers may be a good ingredient. They include a USB connection and built-in DAC. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
SlimChances wrote: ** A device like the Raspberry Pi or Odroid (with Squeezelite installed)would I have b/g/ *and n *wifi capability which must be better than the b/g capability of Squeezeboxes. I noticed this comment only now. The RPi may be not such a good choice if you need strong WiFi. The range you get with the popular Edimax EW-7811UN is not great. Needless to say, there are many other options. But they may be expensive or require a powered hub. I love my Pis, but I think their value as a squeezebox client is sometimes overstated. With extras like a DAC and WiFi, you end up spending 80-90. But then you're reaching a price point there at which more powerful alternatives exist. dafiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android Media Player as squeezebox replacement
wortgefecht wrote: LMS is imho an excellent choice for setting up a UPnP server on a linux box, not only for audio through Squeezebox devices, but for occasional video streaming to a tv set, too. Agreed. My LMS (7.9 running on an o2 joggler that also doubles up as 1 of my players) Serves music to my small family of SB players, none of them Logitech hardware anymore and also feeds a couple of DNLA devices for music and movies. For DNLA purposes it is slightly inconvenient having to do a scan every time I add a new episode of a TV series I watch but not too onerous as my tablet is always handy anyway. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
GeeJay wrote: Sync is very important to me, as I frequently play the same music on multiple devices. AFAIK you cannot get the same sync accuracy from a home-made SB compared to a hardware player. I can sync via ethernet 2 SB3s located 5 meter apart in the same room for hours on end and can't hear any drift or defect. I have been synching ok 1 software player (squeezelite) and an SB3 playing in another room. Increased distance and volume difference smoothe out small drifts. iPeng as a software player is an extremely simple solution and offers a nice user interface (and sync is not its forte --I don't think pippin condones using sync on iPeng). I haven't used packaged distributions of squeezelite but I doubt any can be as easy as iPeng. I do believe the right hardware/soft player combo will yield superior results. IMHO if super-accurate synching is critical, there is no substitute to a good second-hand squeezebox (and not a Duet...) My assessment of using soft players dates back a bit. I could be wrong. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.8.1 (Debian 7.5) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes by StuartUSA Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
Synching has improved. Ipeng as a player syncs well for me. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 Squeezelite *Spares:* several Touch, Radio, SB3 *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Taking the plunge: Need advice on homemade SB
The iPeng route has a lot of appeal. I'm about to get a new iPhone, so I could use my old one. I seem to recall a thread devoted to using iThingies as players, so perhaps I should go dig it up. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch. Mac Mini as a server. iPeng is my controller of choice. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement system recommendations
philippe_44 wrote: I've been a user of many SB devices (3 Boom, 4 radio, 4 receiver, 1 Touch, 1 SB3 ...) I really love these devices, but I have to confess, at the risk of receiving tomatoes, that I've now added 2 Sonos:1, 1 Sonos:3 and 1 Sonos:5 and I was able to have them reasonably intregrated with LMS system. LMS is still the center, but I the Sonos:5 acts as a gateway between the 2 systems using the SB Touch and, to my real surprise, the synchronization between the 2 system is absolutely perfect. I'm really amazed as there is no audible lag between the 2 and it can last for hours. Of course, I have to move to Sonos controller when I want to switch on/off the Sonos speakers, but at the end, this is a really good setting - I still love my SB system (still improving it :-)) This is interesting. So LMS controls the Sonos units (outside of power on/off)? Are all the LMS plug-ins available? 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch. Mac Mini as a server. iPeng is my controller of choice. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102119 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Replacement system recommendations
JonWill wrote: I'd be interested i understanding how this works - do you point the Sonos system to LMS for its music library? And how does syncing work, other than by trying to rpess play at the same time :) If I could move slowly over to a mixed economy that would be ideal ... It is at the same time more simple and less elegant :-) Sonos cannot point to LMS, they ignore each other. What Sonos does well is distributing analog source connected to the line-in of any capable device (a play:5 or a connect) to any other device in the Sonos system and keeping them fully in sync. So it is as simple as connecting the line-out of a SB3 or a Touch or a Receiver to any Sonos device with Line-In. Then _that_ Squeezebox device becomes your bridge. In other words, you have to always play on that SB device to be able to listen to your music on the Sonos system. The Sonos is, to some extend, just used as wireless speakers with enhanced synchronization capabilities. What is amazing is that when I tried that, I was expecting the Sonos system to delay the analog input to a few 100ms and have to delay all my Squeezebox devices to take that into account, I was expecting awfull jitter at all - well, not at all (and I've been using that for almost 2 years). There is no audible delay between an analog input of a Sonos system and that same music forwarded to any other sonos devices - this is just instant forward So, what is played on my Sonos extensions is fully controlled by my Squeezebox system (I use iPeng a lot, it is really a great piece of software). The only time when I use the Sonos controller is to mute / unmute / group Sonos speakers as, again, all the Sonos speakers appears as one single entity to the SB system. But that's all. Of course, at any time, you can ask the Sonos system to play something else than the line-in of (eg) a Play:5. The Sonos system is pointing to the same folder containing my music, so everything is as well available natively Say you have Kitchen : Boombox Dinner room : SB3 on amplifier speakers Bedroom : Radio you add Sonos devices Dinner room : Play:5 Bedroom : 2xSonos:1 Connect line-out of SB3 to the Play:5 line-in using a Y connector To play on the Sonos(Dinner) or Sonos(Bedroom), the caveat is that you have to play on SB(Kitchen). On Sonos, configure it to re-play Sonos(Dinner:LineIn) to Sonos(Bedroom) and/or Sonos(Dinner). Using your prefered SB controller, then do what you used to do, and all speakers in Bedroom will play in perfect sync, although they are a combo of Sonos and Squeezebox. If you want to switch off Sonos(Dinner) or Sonos(Bedroom), use the Sonos application on your preferred smartphone. You can also dedicated an old Squeezebox receiver to be the bridge between the system, not connected to any speaker - in that case, no annoyance of having mandatory sound to be heard in one room to bridge to Sonos. I feel it is a very smooth transition or a very good combo philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102119 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.
ralphy wrote: Have you tried setting/changing the USEPALATENCY environment variable as described in post #1? Also ensure you're running r417. yes, i started with 86 and then dropped to 43. i am a little unclear if this setting is used with squeezelite or squeezeplay. is this env var used for the dll in this version? i thought i had read from some release notes that they were no longer used. i will give it another try but the problem seems to occur for example at 1:10 in one flac file and at for example 0:39 in another. furthermore, i can play a 192 KHz flac file with no issues. my concern here is more about the version of flac i am using or the version of mp3tag i have been using. i will take the value up to 300 and try again. is there a magic number or formula you would recommend? Thanks again for this version and for the quick reply. with regard to this player, can you please confirm if an external dac might help this issue? i will up the value and post results. Regards, Lynnie lynniemagoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
