[slim] HDMI input

2018-07-03 Thread Bob01

Hi - I have Picoreplayer installed on several Raspberry Pi 3’s scattered
around, with one serving as an LMS server. Two of them have Hifiberry
Amp2 cards with speakers connected, and one goes directly into a stereo
amplifier. It all works great. 

My question is whether it is possible to use the HDMI port on the
Raspberry Pi as an audio input source, and route the audio out through
the hifiberry amp?

The use case is this. The raspberry pi unit that serves as the LMS
server sits next to a TV. I would like to take the HDMI output from the
TV, parse out the video signal (this I know how to do), and run the
remaining audio into the raspberry pi and have it play through the amp
through the speakers. 

Thanks for the help!



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Re: [slim] CDs rapid Demise

2018-07-03 Thread emalvick

d6jg wrote: 
> You are 100% correct about Loudness although Vinyl isn’t totally immune
> from it, it is as you say much less likely to occur. 
> 
> As usual the Record Industry exploits those of us who rebel against
> Loudness by selling FLAC etc for much more than MP3. The only additional
> cost is a bit of storage yet it can be double the price. If it’s an old
> album I’ll always source a secondhand CD and rip it myself.

You're right.  I meant to mention that.  I actually found that with
Nirvana's Nevermind album, which in its vinyl release of the past few
years, is a victim of the loudness war.  That was a point I wanted to
make. Vinyl is not immune.  I do think that if everything is relatively
equal, especially the sources, then the argument for vinyl is really
subjective.



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Re: [slim] CDs rapid Demise

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg

emalvick wrote: 
> The loudness war I think is a huge reason vinyl is popular with
> audiofiles (doesn't necessarily explain the hipster love of vinyl).
> 
> I've noticed plenty of examples where the vinyl sounds better than the
> CD and it isn't because vinyl is better, it's just the mastering.  About
> the time digital download sales began, mastering started to gear itself
> towards compression.  I think it was easier to just master the CD and
> mp3 all at once and then compress the dynamics to tailor towards
> listeners who predominantly listen to music in a car, crappy headphones,
> ipods, etc.  That is how music is listened to 99% of the time now. 
> Vinyl, however, has been immune to this type of mastering, probably
> because it can't really stand up to it, and the industry is trying to
> bank on the idea that vinyl is better.
> 
> I really started noticing the decline in CD mastering quality around
> 2004 / 2005 (I'm sure it began sooner).  I remembering ripping a few
> CD's that just sounded terrible once ripped. Using audacity and then a
> few other tools showed me that the music was clipped across the board. 
> A few years later, I found a vinyl copy of one of the albums, and when
> it was ripped, I noted there was no clipping, and consequently sounded
> better.  Was it because it was vinyl? only indirectly.  If the CD had
> been mastered the same as the vinyl, I'm fairly certain it would have
> sounded the same to my ears.  I am not an audiophile in the sense some
> people can be, I do prefer the clean sound of a well-mastered CD or
> other format rather than the random pops that go with vinyl.  My home
> system and speakers are quite modest; I can't hear the difference
> between a 24-192, 24-96, or 16-44 audio.  I can rarely hear the
> difference between a 320 bit mp3 vs a FLAC (from the same source).  But,
> I really hate over-compressed and loud CD's and digital files.
> 
> So, with regard to CDs and their demise; I tend to buy used CDs, like
> others expressed, mostly because if an album is old enough, the 1990's
> generally had better mastering than the 2000's when it comes to popular
> music.  I do buy new music but I am much more selective than I used to
> be.  I rely on Spotify to try before I buy, and then I get selective on
> the format I do buy. I tend to buy more FLAC (bandcamp and 7digital) but
> stick with 16/44 format or occasionally 24/48 as I don't find a need for
> higher resolution.  But, when FLAC is significantly more expensive or
> impossible to come by, I might buy CD or Vinyl. 
> 
> I am not a huge fan of the warming aspects of vinyl, so I generally try
> to avoid it unless I (a) really love the album (b) it's the only good
> mastering of the album and (c) want the album art.  
> 
> With this method, I find myself buying less music but buying more music
> that I will listen to and that will sound good.  
> 
> I am, however, a contributer to the CD's demise, although the record
> industry has contributed too.  I do think it is cheaper to sell, stream,
> distribute digitally than physically, otherwise physical formats
> wouldn't be in a demise.  Digital is probably more profitable and the
> prices are really just based on what the market will bear.

You are 100% correct about Loudness although Vinyl isn’t totally immune
from it, it is as you say much less likely to occur. 

As usual the Record Industry exploits those of us who rebel against
Loudness by selling FLAC etc for much more than MP3. The only additional
cost is a bit of storage yet it can be double the price. If it’s an old
album I’ll always source a secondhand CD and rip it myself.



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Re: [slim] CDs rapid Demise

2018-07-03 Thread emalvick


The loudness war I think is a huge reason vinyl is popular with
audiofiles (doesn't necessarily explain the hipster love of vinyl).

I've noticed plenty of examples where the vinyl sounds better than the
CD and it isn't because vinyl is better, it's just the mastering.  About
the time digital download sales began, mastering started to gear itself
towards compression.  I think it was easier to just master the CD and
mp3 all at once and then compress the dynamics to tailor towards
listeners who predominantly listen to music in a car, crappy headphones,
ipods, etc.  That is how music is listened to 99% of the time now. 
Vinyl, however, has been immune to this type of mastering, probably
because it can't really stand up to it, and the industry is trying to
bank on the idea that vinyl is better.

I really started noticing the decline in CD mastering quality around
2004 / 2005 (I'm sure it began sooner).  I remembering ripping a few
CD's that just sounded terrible once ripped. Using audacity and then a
few other tools showed me that the music was clipped across the board. 
A few years later, I found a vinyl copy of one of the albums, and when
it was ripped, I noted there was no clipping, and consequently sounded
better.  Was it because it was vinyl? only indirectly.  If the CD had
been mastered the same as the vinyl, I'm fairly certain it would have
sounded the same to my ears.  I am not an audiophile in the sense some
people can be, I do prefer the clean sound of a well-mastered CD or
other format rather than the random pops that go with vinyl.  My home
system and speakers are quite modest; I can't hear the difference
between a 24-192, 24-96, or 16-44 audio.  I can rarely hear the
difference between a 320 bit mp3 vs a FLAC (from the same source).  But,
I really hate over-compressed and loud CD's and digital files.

So, with regard to CDs and their demise; I tend to buy used CDs, like
others expressed, mostly because if an album is old enough, the 1990's
generally had better mastering than the 2000's when it comes to popular
music.  I do buy new music but I am much more selective than I used to
be.  I rely on Spotify to try before I buy, and then I get selective on
the format I do buy. I tend to buy more FLAC (bandcamp and 7digital) but
stick with 16/44 format or occasionally 24/48 as I don't find a need for
higher resolution.  But, when FLAC is significantly more expensive or
impossible to come by, I might buy CD or Vinyl. 

I am not a huge fan of the warming aspects of vinyl, so I generally try
to avoid it unless I (a) really love the album (b) it's the only good
mastering of the album and (c) want the album art.  

With this method, I find myself buying less music but buying more music
that I will listen to and that will sound good.  

I am, however, a contributer to the CD's demise, although the record
industry has contributed too.  I do think it is cheaper to sell, stream,
distribute digitally than physically, otherwise physical formats
wouldn't be in a demise.  Digital is probably more profitable and the
prices are really just based on what the market will bear.



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


Redrum wrote: 
> oops, sorry, I just thought of one more question
> 
> If I bought a normal chromecast (video) over the audio chromecast (with
> other than HDMI outputs), would that allow me to have the most
> flexibility in that I could use it via the TV HDMI (with now playing),
> but also, it would work with the soundbar HDMI? That is, the video
> Chromecast does not need a display to work?
> 
> 

Can't be 100% but I believe that once setup you do not need a display.
Post the question in Phillipe's thread - I am sure he can confirm.
Almost all HDMI TV's have passthru to optical out. The cheap one I have
in my bedroom certainly does as like you I had to upgrade the sound and
used an old pre HDMI AV Receiver that only had optical.



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


oops, sorry, I just thought of one more question

If I bought a normal chromecast (video) over the audio chromecast (with
other than HDMI outputs), would that allow me to have the most
flexibility in that I could use it via the TV HDMI (with now playing),
but also, it would work with the soundbar HDMI? That is, the video
Chromecast does not need a display to work?

The CC is actually an ideal solution for me because the HDMI port on the
soundbar is not used (TV to soundbar via optical), and I have a vacant
HDMI on the TV. Also, the optical in on the SB isn't available. So, it
the normal second gen CC for $USD35 would work either way, viola!

Now the only other thing to worry (over think) about is if the HDMI from
the TV does a pass through of the audio data to the optical out without
monkeying with it. I imagine it does
\

Jim



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


d6jg wrote: 
> The answer is Yes.
> As I said earlier 

My apologies. When I got a notification you responded, I assumed a
single response and went to the thread and read your last response. I
didn't see you responded twice. The previous response had all of the
details, all my questions answered. My bad.

Again, thank you for your help and clarification. I have options, which
is better than none :D

Jim



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


Redrum wrote: 
> One more question just to make sure I have it right...wondering if a TV
> display is needed to run CC or if you have to launch cc from a
> computer/server (not familiar with CC). I ask because if not, then a CC
> and any audio player with a HDMI port could be a SB player, with, say
> iPeng, etc.? If that's the case, and if I was a guy that didn't have all
> this gear, I could buy, say a soundbar with a hdmi input and a CC, setup
> a server, CC plug in, and enjoy as good of a SB audio experience that
> the DACs and amplification in the soundbar can provide?
> 
> If that is true, who, that's cool. Even if it needs a tv, thats cool as
> well. But (not knowing CC) if you have to use a computer/pad, etc to
> launch the cast, not as neat...
> 
> Jim

The answer is Yes.
As I said earlier 2 types of Chromecast - the full one for Video (with
HDMI) and another called Chromecast Audio (with optical/analogue).
You choose which to use. The video version has a now playing display.
The plugin makes it operate exactly like a native SB player - no
"casting" as such - you just need something to control it with like any
other SB player.



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


d6jg wrote: 
> You will see the CC on anything that can control a native SB box other
> than by IR
> 
> Controller
> iPeng on iPhone / iPad
> Web UI
> 
> Harmony + Controller will work.
> 
> If your Harmony can switch the Soundbar then I agree a Duet via Analog
> may be the best bet.

One more question just to make sure I have it right...wondering if a TV
display is needed to run CC or if you have to launch cc from a
computer/server (not familiar with CC). I ask because if not, then a CC
and any audio player with a HDMI port could be a SB player, with, say
iPeng, etc.? If that's the case, and if I was a guy that didn't have all
this gear, I could buy, say a soundbar with a hdmi input and a CC, setup
a server, CC plug in, and enjoy as good of a SB audio experience that
the DACs and amplification in the soundbar can provide?

If that is true, who, that's cool. Even if it needs a tv, thats cool as
well. But (not knowing CC) if you have to use a computer/pad, etc to
launch the cast, not as neat...

Jim



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


Redrum wrote: 
> thanks, even without chromecast, I find the SBs sync ok for say seperate
> rooms, but occasionally the sync is poor, or at least "echoy" if thats a
> word.
> 
> My app would be for either/or. no need to worry about sync.
> 
> Still wondering about the UI, If I can see the CC/plugin as a "player"
> on, say the controller. If I have to operate from the computer, phone,
> pad, the receiver is probably a better solution. I am looking for power
> on/off, select, control via "harmony + roku" or "harmony + controller" 
> 
> Jim

You will see the CC on anything that can control a native SB box other
than by IR

Controller
iPeng on iPhone / iPad
Web UI

Harmony + Controller will work.

If your Harmony can switch the Soundbar then I agree a Duet via Analog
may be the best bet.



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


d6jg wrote: 
> The Chromecast will do 24/192 I think but it perhaps won't sync very
> well with the Boom - I use one in my Bedroom as an unsynced occasional
> player

thanks, even without chromecast, I find the SBs sync ok for say seperate
rooms, but occasionally the sync is poor, or at least "echoy" if thats a
word.

My app would be for either/or. no need to worry about sync.

Still wondering about the UI, If I can see the CC/plugin as a "player"
on, say the controller. If I have to operate from the computer, phone,
pad, the receiver is probably a better solution. I am looking for power
on/off, select, control via "harmony + roku" or "harmony + controller" 

Jim



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


The Chromecast will do 24/192 I think but it perhaps won't sync very
well with the Boom - I use one in my Bedroom as an unsynced occasional
player



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


Chromecast with plugin works exactly like a native Squeeze device and as
you say they are very cheap. Your Controller will see it as another SB
device.
If you go HDMI -> TV you will get a now playing display on TV
If you go HDMI -> Soundbar then no display and no switcher unless you
can make Harmony control the Soundbar inputs.

There is a third party Squeezeplay app for Roku but its out of date /
rubbish so I wouldn't even consider it.

Phillipe's plugin is well developed and just works after a very simple
setup

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104614-Announce-CastBridge-integrate-Chromecast-players-with-LMS-(squeeze2cast)

NB
There are 2 sorts of Chromecast - one with video (HDMI only) and
Chromecast Audio - the latter has optical and analog out.



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


d6jg wrote: 
> If you have a spare HDMI on the TV then what about a Google Chromecast
> and Phillipe's LMS plugin (where is the LMS in your cabin set up?)

The LMS is on a pc that is in the same room as the system. H... I
don't have a chromecast, but they aren't expensive. I do have a spare
HDMI on the TV, but I also have a HDMI on the soundbar. I'm not familiar
with the plug in, I'll look into it. So you are proposing:

Chromecast into the TV (HDMI), TV as the switcher, to the soundbar
(optical), and cast from the LMS/PC? This would all be harmony
switchable, but not being familiar with the plus in, what would be the
SB UI? Also, does the audio quality/digital integrity remain intact?"

and I could also do (to keep the TV off while playing audio) -
Chromecast into the SB (???)

Thanks for the thought!
Jim



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Re: [slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread d6jg


Redrum wrote: 
> Hi;
> 
> Over the years I have acquired allot of equipment including multiple
> squeezebox devices, and have several systems assembled at home - living
> room, upstairs, garage, shop, etc...
> 
> A few years ago I bought a cabin that was in need of some love and
> companionship. Sort of like a puppy...I digress. I didn't want to drag
> all sorts of equipment up there, and also wanted a bit of a minimalist
> living, although ISP availability made me happy.
> 
> So I setup this system:
> 
> 40" basic Samsung Flat Screen (minimal I/O) - antenna only for broadcast
> at this time
> Roku Stick
> DVD player (remembr those?) and all my old dvd's from home
> Squeezebox Boom
> Squeezebox Controller added later
> 
> I added the controller later for remote control of the boom, and a "now
> playing" screen, and for simplicity for others to operate.
> 
> I am really happy with the Boom as my kit, its really a wonderful basic
> "listen to music". People ask "where are the speakers?". But, here's
> where I need some thoughts and advice:
> 
> I decided to add a soundbar that is on its way (Yamaha YAS 107) mostly
> to improve the TV/Streaming experience. Its small = still minimalist ;)
> So, I got to thinking about music streaming playback through the
> soundbar, and how to implement?
> 
> Here's what I am going to do right now, the TV as the video/audio
> switcher:
> Roku Stick -> HDMI in on TV
> Antenna -> RF in on TV
> DVD -> Component in on TV
> TV-> Sound Bar via Optical Out of TV, In on soundbar.
> 
> I should note that the TV does not support ARC.
> 
> I should also note that I will be using a harmony 650 to control all but
> the roku that uses RF, and the SB. It will help people other than me
> operate the setup.
> 
> So, what about the music? I could:
> 
> 1) connect the headphone analog out of the boom to the analog in of the
> soundbar.
> 2) I have a squeezebox receiver laying around that I can add and go
> analog out to the sound bar. This would work with the harmony.
> 3) I could use that SB receiver and go optical to the soundbar, but
> there is only one optical input on the bar. I could use a toslink
> switch, but it would be preferred if the harmony could control the
> switching (maybe someone knows?)
> 4) I could (you folks fill here here, perhaps I am overlooking an
> "ah ha!"
> 
> One thing I should note, unless the soundbar is far and above superior,
> I still plan on using the boom speakers, so if I have to change a
> setting back and forth or plug/unplug to mute the boom speakers for #1,
> that wouldn't work. I am thinking that #2 or #3 are the favored thoughts
> right now. The Boom could then operate independently.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Jim

If you have a spare HDMI on the TV then what about a Google Chromecast
and Phillipe's LMS plugin (where is the LMS in your cabin set up?)



VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS)
[B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
*Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3
-> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom 
*Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
Everything controlled by iPeng

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[slim] Need Opinions For Minimalist System Hookup

2018-07-03 Thread Redrum


Hi;

Over the years I have acquired allot of equipment including multiple
squeezebox devices, and have several systems assembled at home - living
room, upstairs, garage, shop, etc...

A few years ago I bought a cabin that was in need of some love and
companionship. Sort of like a puppy...I digress. I didn't want to drag
all sorts of equipment up there, and also wanted a bit of a minimalist
living, although ISP availability made me happy.

So I setup this system:

40" basic Samsung Flat Screen (minimal I/O) - antenna only for broadcast
at this time
Roku Stick
DVD player (remembr those?) and all my old dvd's from home
Squeezebox Boom
Squeezebox Controller added later

I added the controller later for remote control of the boom, and a "now
playing" screen, and for simplicity for others to operate.

I am really happy with the Boom as my kit, its really a wonderful basic
"listen to music". People ask "where are the speakers?". But, here's
where I need some thoughts and advice:

I decided to add a soundbar that is on its way (Yamaha YAS 107) mostly
to improve the TV/Streaming experience. Its small = still minimalist ;)
So, I got to thinking about music streaming playback through the
soundbar, and how to implement?

Here's what I am going to do right now, the TV as the video/audio
switcher:
Roku Stick -> HDMI in on TV
Antenna -> RF in on TV
DVD -> Component in on TV
TV-> Sound Bar via Optical Out of TV, In on soundbar.

I should note that the TV does not support ARC.

I should also note that I will be using a harmony 650 to control all but
the roku that uses RF, and the SB. It will help people other than me
operate the setup.

So, what about the music? I could:

1) connect the headphone analog out of the boom to the analog in of the
soundbar.
2) I have a squeezebox receiver laying around that I can add and go
analog out to the sound bar. This would work with the harmony.
3) I could use that SB receiver and go optical to the soundbar, but
there is only one optical input on the bar. I could use a toslink
switch, but it would be preferred if the harmony could control the
switching (maybe someone knows?)
4) I could (you folks fill here here, perhaps I am overlooking an
"ah ha!"

One thing I should note, unless the soundbar is far and above superior,
I still plan on using the boom speakers, so if I have to change a
setting back and forth or plug/unplug to mute the boom speakers for #1,
that wouldn't work. I am thinking that #2 or #3 are the favored thoughts
right now. The Boom could then operate independently.

Thoughts?

Jim



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