Re: [slim] Delete Genres
I've recently found in my LMS library a number of "orphaned genres" - a genre that appears in the library but the default web interface shows the content as "Empty". Android app "Squeezer" on my phone also shows 'Empty', but Material Skin web interface on my PC lists albums (and not 'Empty' as in the default web interface). I've fixed the tags in the albums that Material Skin showed, but was surprised that the genre content would be different in the two web interfaces. Is that normal? And just so that I can be clear about what's going on - is it correct to say that if a genre appears in the library, somewhere in the library there must be a tag with that name? Current LMS is "Logitech Media Server Version: 8.0.0 - 1595835082 @ Mon Jul 27 10:20:00 CEST 2020" Thanks for any wisdom! Digital: Raspberry Pi 3B; piCorePlayer 6 + LMS 8; HifiBerry DAC+DSP > Yamaha RX-V2700 > Jamo speakers Analogue: HifiBerry DAC+DSP > Speakercraft MZC-66 > whole house Library: External USB drive Android: Squeezer app Viragored's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Thank you - I did not know this -- very hepful -- Bill Clark, Windham, VT Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.3 - 1586752599 @ Tue Apr 14 04:13:43 CEST 2020 Hostname: ubuntu-lms - ProxMox Virtual Environment 5.4-3 | Ubuntu 16.04 xenial piCorePlayer | piCorePlayer v5.0.0 | linux 4.19.40-pcpCore_v7 | piCore v10.1pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.2-1158-pCP --- kappclark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29572 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
kappclark wrote: > Interesting discussion of Genres --- > My question is there any way to search on multiple tags in advanced > search ? is there a compound search available ? Maybe this is too > obvious - just asking ...maybe I am thinking more along lines of sub > genre... Doing a text search on genres, using a comma between two genre names, with or without a space, seems to result in an OR search for those terms. If there is a way to do an AND search, I have not found it. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Interesting discussion of Genres --- I have some music that has multiple genres -- the LMS recognizes that the track has multiple genres (For example a track might be tagged 20s and Ragtime, or maybe 20s and Blues My question is there any way to search on multiple tags in advanced search ? is there a compound search available ? Maybe this is too obvious - just asking ...maybe I am thinking more along lines of sub genre... -- Bill Clark, Windham, VT Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.3 - 1586752599 @ Tue Apr 14 04:13:43 CEST 2020 Hostname: ubuntu-lms - ProxMox Virtual Environment 5.4-3 | Ubuntu 16.04 xenial piCorePlayer | piCorePlayer v5.0.0 | linux 4.19.40-pcpCore_v7 | piCore v10.1pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.2-1158-pCP --- kappclark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29572 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
mherger wrote: > > Yes. Garbage in - garbage out. That's how it should be. I never browse (pop) music using genres. Just tried that, and I should clean that up. It's not too bad, though. (For classical music, browsing genre is great. Genre / Composer / Work / Recording. ;-) ) QLMS 7.9.2@2.04 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.28 dedicated to me. :D / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
mherger wrote: > You can consider it a bug that you'd now get two genres, but not > the correct list. I fully agree about GIGO. The only part that I would see as a bug is when the tracks that created "Pop" and "pop" genres all get bucketed under just one of these. The songs should be bucketed matching "pop" or "Pop". This makes the GIGO obvious to the user that they have tag cleanup work to do and which tracks need the work. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Are you saying that you would like to see "Pop" and "pop" treated as 2 totally different genres? Yes. Garbage in - garbage out. In most parts of LMS this already is the case. You can consider it a bug that you'd now get two genres, but not the correct list. Unifying will always fail some corner case. If we didn't even try, you'd at least see what's wrong. If the tracks were assigned to the genre that they matched then it would give the user a clearer indication of which tracks need tidying up. Exactly. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Are you saying that you would like to see "Pop" and "pop" treated as 2 totally different genres? >From what I saw today they would both be added during scanning ... but all of the tracks would be assigned to one of them (the "first"). If the tracks were assigned to the genre that they matched then it would give the user a clearer indication of which tracks need tidying up. If the case-insensitive duplicate was not created then no tag cleaning needed by the user but arguably would allow "incorrect" tags to persist. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
I suspect that _createGenre in Schema.pm (or the database table definition perhaps) needs a check on genre with different case already existing and only add if not present. I'm a little surprised about these reports, as I thought we got rid of all attempts of normalization at some point (7.6?). There must be some code left still doing some case mangling. But I'd rather remove it than add more of it. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
I suspect that _createGenre in Schema.pm (or the database table definition perhaps) needs a check on genre with different case already existing and only add if not present. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
As expected ... after fixing the tags and doing a clear and rescan ... I now have just "Afro Beats". Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Have now changed the tags in the other half (in fact was two different albums - 1 Afro Beat and the other (alphabetically later) Afro beat). Doing another clear and rescan So - I think I have found the issue that made me see the same problem and will resolve it by tidying tags. The underlying problem might never be fixed though given there is an easy way around it. Next step is to see if this explains the original poster's issue. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
I've just been through the "Afro Beat" tracks ... and half were tagged (MP3 ID3 TCON) as "Afro Beat" and half as "Afro beat" ... so leads me to think that LMS treats the case of the genre as significant when extracting the details and creating a Genre table in the database (I have not checked that there is one) but when assigning a genre to a track in the database it does a case-insignificant check and always finds the same one (perhaps the first created is returned first) ... "A Capella" is a recognised numbered ID3 genre but perhaps OPs tracks are tagged with "A capella" in text and also the number ... resulting in similar issue. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
My only other one with differences only in case are "Rock/Pop" and "Rock/pop" ... the first has tracks in and the other does not. So my suspicion is towards some sort of normalisation going on - but not all of the code knowing that it happens. I'll do a clear and rescan later to see if either of them disappear and look for a tool to display the genres from the original files as they are really stored. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Paul Webster wrote: > or LMS created a normalised (upper case at start of word). > Looking at mine I see I have Afro beat (with no tracks) and Afro > Beat with one album and its tracks ... > will dig some more Getting odder. There's a forum member on here has 5,127 genre's. :confused: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110264-Search-not-working=947213=1#post947213 *Server - LMS 7.9.2 *Pi4B 4GB/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
or LMS created a normalised (upper case at start of word). Looking at mine I see I have Afro beat (with no tracks) and Afro Beat with one album and its tracks ... will dig some more Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Paul Webster wrote: > I know ... but I checked just in case I had one or other or both in > mine. > > The original post said that there were no tracks listed in one of them. > > That is why I said it is odd. Yes, odd! But that tag must exist i one of the OP's music files. :confused: *Server - LMS 7.9.2 *Pi4B 4GB/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
I know ... but I checked just in case I had one or other or both in mine. The original post said that there were no tracks listed in one of them. That is why I said it is odd. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
Paul Webster wrote: > OP said it was empty. > Just checked my installation and there is no A capella or A Capella so > it is not a default. > > Odd There's no such thing as a "default" genre. All genre's are derived from one's music files when scanned by LMS. *Server - LMS 7.9.2 *Pi4B 4GB/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
OP said it was empty. Just checked my installation and there is no A capella or A Capella so it is not a default. Odd Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Delete Genres
th00ht wrote: > I don't want to 'necropost' > (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98618-How-to-delete-a-Genre-tag) > so I opened this new. > > I have a new installation of LMS. At the top of the genre list I see "A > capella" and "A Capella". The latter is empty and I don't remember > tagging anything with this genre. Could it be that this genre is > included in a initial install? If so, is it possible to remove this? > > Thanks > > oh, and yes I did a clean and rescan, before posting this. The only way to do this is to check your tags, just click on the genre you feel is incorrect, and find which tracks are tagged with this genre, and edit, clear and rescan. *Server - LMS 7.9.2 *Pi4B 4GB/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Delete Genres
I don't want to 'necropost' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98618-How-to-delete-a-Genre-tag) so I opened this new. I have a new installation of LMS. At the top of the genre list I see "A capella" and "A Capella". The latter is empty and I don't remember tagging anything with this genre. Could it be that this genre is included in a initial install? If so, is it possible to remove this? Thanks oh, and yes I did a clean and rescan, before posting this. Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 / QNapClub Living:'Transporter Second Edition (smashing wiki page!)' (https://tinyurl.com/q7ff4xr), 'Touch' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch), 'Denon AVR 1912' (https://tinyurl.com/p44yun7)' + two CM8, two CM1, CMC' (http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Speakers/Home_Audio/CM_Series) Study:'Classic, Quad 303 + two Quad ESL 57' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?43875-A-SB3-a-Quad-303-and-the-left-hand-ESL) Kitchen:'piCorePlayer/Hifiberry DAC+ pro' (https://www.hifiberry.com/products/dacplus/), 'Kanto YU2' (http://www.kantoliving.com/product/yu2/) 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/th00ht), 'SoS, ' (https://tinyurl.com/pbzsf8l)'EAC' (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/) th00ht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15656 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
