Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
For me Pandora works partly. I can create new channels but I cannot listen to my favorite channels as set up online afterwards. So somehow I are connected but not fully. -- RealRedHair RealRedHair's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SilverRS8;257684 Wrote: I used 'hotspot shield lauch' a webvpn solution. The vpn is set up with a server in the US and also proxied through it. I am also using hotspot shield to listen to pandora on my pc/laptop. However, is it possible to get hotspot shield to work with slimcenter on a NAS or Windows Homeserver? -- kuntakinte kuntakinte's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19442 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kuntakinte;330279 Wrote: I am also using hotspot shield to listen to pandora on my pc/laptop. However, is it possible to get hotspot shield to work with slimcenter on a NAS or Windows Homeserver? Sadly no. Hotshield is a web based vpn. SC outbound streaming traffic isn't proxied through the browser so makes no use of Hotshield. -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator' (http://www.vanholt.nl/acc/acc.htm)- for SqueezeCenter SlimServer SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Surprise.. It's been blocked.. -- sand Two Squeezebox 3 QNAP TS-109 Seagate ES 500GB SlimServer Version: 6.5.4 - 12568 - Debian - EN - utf8 Server IP address: 192.168.1.4 Perl Version: 5.8.8 arm-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.41 sand's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hi All try Globalpandora.com -- Rasso01 Rasso01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10224 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I don't understand this. It looks like this is for browsing in a window where the url you connect to is different from the url you are seeing so you can beat the work firewall etc. And they can pay for it by putting advertising banners into the page. But for squeezebox (I have no interest in playing music on my PC through a web browser) we would need to input the new ip address into slimserver? We don't want to redirect all our ip traffic, just the slimserver stuff. My router has no redirect http traffic to this address to this other address function. And even then all the audio traffic would be going through their servers so using up their bandwidth - why would they do that for free since no advertising is possible? If this is wrong can someone post an idiots guide to getting Rhapsody Unlimited working on the squeezebox? No one is going to into trouble for posting this theoretical information. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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amcluesent;257515 Wrote: through squeezenetwork it has never stopped working At least part of the SB3 connection to Pandora makes calls to a API services on the Squeezenetwork. Maybe this is sufficient 'proxy' for Pandora to be happy the user is in the USA?I suggest this kind of discussion happens through private messages. Better safe than sorry. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Anyone know of similiar workaround for Rhapsody? -- Jitterbug Jitterbug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Jitterbug;259132 Wrote: Anyone know of similiar workaround for Rhapsody?Rhapsody works fine through SC7 or SqueezeNetwork outside the US, as does Slacker. To the best of my knowledge, Rhapsody don't even do IP address filtering, but they do ask for a US address when you sign up. Slacker does do IP address filtering, so you would need a US proxy to sign up or to play on a browser. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Here's a post about Pandora that may be of interest: http://www.digitalalchemy.tv/2007/05/how-to-listen-to-pandora-from-outside.html -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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There's another thread discussing a Pandora-alternativ 'here' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42023). Anybody clever enough to get that working with the Squeezebox? -- TCM 'Squeezebox 3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Trends Audio TA-10.1' (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/trends/ta10.html) - 'QLN QuBiC 121' (http://www.minhembio.com/produkt/163409) 'WhatTheFuckHiFi.com' (http://whatthefuckhifi.com/) 'Last.fm: ThisCharmingMan' (http://www.last.fm/user/ThisCharmingMan) 'Save Internet Radio' (http://www.savenetradio.org) TCM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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through squeezenetwork it has never stopped working At least part of the SB3 connection to Pandora makes calls to a API services on the Squeezenetwork. Maybe this is sufficient 'proxy' for Pandora to be happy the user is in the USA? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pandora was cut off from Australia about 9 months ago and kept working for me on the Squeezebox thanks to the routing via Squeezenetwork. The only problem then was when my subscription expired, I couldn't log into Pandora to renew! That's when a work proxy server in the US can come in handy... not that I'm advocating this of course ;) -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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smc2911;257524 Wrote: Pandora was cut off from Australia about 9 months ago and kept working for me on the Squeezebox thanks to the routing via Squeezenetwork. The only problem then was when my subscription expired, I couldn't log into Pandora to renew! That's when a work proxy server in the US can come in handy... not that I'm advocating this of course ;) Thx. I read your post. Subscribed me through a proxy and Pandora works on my SB ;-) Living in the netherlands. For web pandora I now use globalpandora.com. Frank -- SilverRS8 Author of AlbumCatalogCreator for SlimServer SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SilverRS8;257558 Wrote: Thx. I read your post. Subscribed me through a proxy and Pandora works on my SB ;-) Living in the netherlands. For web pandora I now use globalpandora.com. Frank Which proxy is that? I'd like to know, as I live in the Netherlands as well and I still hate being cut off from Pandora. If there would be a way to subscribe and listen to Pandora thru my SB3 again, that would be great. -- -Stef- Yamaha - Chario - MJ Acoustics - Squeezebox 3 - Beresford -Stef-'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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)p(;257600 Wrote: globalpandora.com will do it I think as you can do it all through the flash interface if I recall correctly. I am also a happy Pandora listener from the Netherlands ;) peter Welkom. :) I am looking for a way to listen to Pandora via my SB3 and not via the web interface, although I am happy that globalpandora is up. -- -Stef- Yamaha - Chario - MJ Acoustics - Squeezebox 3 - Beresford -Stef-'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I used 'hotspot shield lauch' a webvpn solution. The vpn is set up with a server in the US and also proxied through it. When activated, www.pandora.com works just fine. I subscibed on this site because i trust my creditcard data more to pandora.com than to globalpandora.com. Frank -- SilverRS8 Author of AlbumCatalogCreator for SlimServer SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Guys, just thought you'd be interested to hear the reply I got from Pandora re: the recent news. It might be good to get some support through the petition too link is at the end of the quote. Cheers, J. Reply: Thanks for your note and your understanding Jon. Blocking our site from UK use is the last thing we wanted to do We love music like you do, and it's painful to have to restrict Pandora's use. It's especially frustrating because we know musicians are benefiting from the airplay -- much of the music on Pandora has never been streamed on any radio program before. We'll continue to work as hard as we can to push this issue forward; our dream is to be a truly global radio site. As a side-note, you will continue to have access to your Pandora profile, so you'll have access to your bookmarks and station feedback. It's wonderful to hear that you've discovered so much new music on our site. Our best wishes go out to you from the Pandora team. Stay in touch -- we may need your help at some point in the future to turn things around! Also: I see there's a petition going here, in case you're interested: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveNetRadioUK Cheers, Lucia @ Pandora -- brucenotts brucenotts's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14780 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Signed it. If you're in the UK and reading this, you have a duty to sign it too ! I want my Pandora back. sob sob. -- yockers yockers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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So we're losing Pandora in the UK. Can anyone tell me if the info on this website will allow us to continue receiving Pandora on Squeezebox in the UK? http://openpandora.blogspot.com/2007/06/complete-guide-for-using-openpandora.html Best wishes -- Quasarpod Quasarpod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quasarpod;256705 Wrote: Can anyone tell me if the info on this website will allow us to continue receiving Pandora on Squeezebox in the UK? I don't think so. This changes the proxy used by IE on your PC but cannot control your SB as it connects directly to your router. You could, however, stream Pandora from your Slimserver (using something like your suggestion) and then use the 'Wave Input plugin' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35718) to stream this music to your SB. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Ramage;255869 Wrote: Deano, did you get a refund? I had an email from Pandora last night offering me a refund on the unused portion of my subscription despite not having asked for one - can't say much fairer than that. I intend keeping the remainder of my subscription running to see if I can access Pandora through alternate addresses so I probably won't take them up on the refund although it was nice of them to offer. -- Jungle They say that laughter is the best medicine but, if you're an asthmatic, ventolin is probably a better bet. Jungle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'd be interested to find out exactly how much the record companies where after. How much, exactly, is too much ? How inventive where Pandora in their negotiations ? After all, our saved radio stations would be valuable information to a record companies marketing department. And I was always amazed, as a subscriber, that totally free access was given, for the sake of a very unintrusive advert. With no real incentive for people to subscribe, the monies where never going to come in. My insight into their business model is only what I see as a consumer, but it doesn't seem like a great one to me. I must have told a dozen people about the Pandora service, all of whom would have happily paid for a subscription at Pandora's nominal rates, but didn't, simply because there was no need to. And no, none of us were motivated to buy a BigMac either ;o) If you gave out a free trial period of a few hours play, and then charged everyone to keep the service, I'd expect the user retention rate would of been pretty high. I'd have happily paid £10 a month for the service. With real money coming into their coffers, they'd have been in a stronger position. -- yockers yockers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Yockers, The actual royalty payments are fixed by the UK Copyright Tribunal - no room for negotiation. The problem is that the royalty format put forward in the UK by the MCPS/PRS doesn't take account of the Pandora model - it is a 'per song' format but is required each time a song is played. Pandora serves up individual streams, and plays the same song many times over, so each song played to each user essentially requires a separate licence. The most detailed analysis I've seen is on one of the Media blogs - can't comment on the accuracy of his UK user base figures but the royalty payment figures are correct: Robert Andrews Wrote: For background, the online license from the MCPS-PRS alone - which collects royalties on music and lyrics for songwriters, publishers and composers - asks interactive webcasters to pay either 6.5 percent of company revenue, or, if its greater, a minimum total of microfees (£0.085 per song streamed, £0.22 per premium customer per month). With 2007 revenues of $14 million (£7 million), Pandora would seemingly have been asked to pay a 6.5 percent charge of around £455,000 to MCPS-PRS. But, because the millions of songs it serves to user simultaneously rack up royalty microfees totalling in excess of that, its forced to pay significantly more. Pandora doesnt have concrete figures for its UK userbase, at best guesstimating in the low hundreds of thousands. So, for a back-of-the-envelope calculation if 200,000 users played 30 songs a month (just one a day), at MCPS-PRS cost of £0.085 each, Pandora would appear to owe £510,000 per month, or £6.1 million a year. http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-more-on-pandora-doing-the-math-on-quitting-uk1/ That's a lot of £10... -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Siduhe, Thanks for that detailed response. At 8.5p per song, per stream, per user, I can see why Pandora had issue. Imagine if a regular FM Radio station had to pay per listener, per song, per play ! We'd never hear a single song played. -- yockers yockers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It's 0.085 pence (about a twelfth of a pence), not 8.5p. But it still adds up...as in the example below: 6 million songs (200,000 users x 30 songs) per month is £510,000 -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Siduhe;256411 Wrote: It's 0.085 pence (about a twelfth of a pence), not 8.5p. But it still adds up...as in the example below: 6 million songs (200,000 users x 30 songs) per month is £510,000 Actually if we're going to nit-pick, it's 510,000 pence (ie. £5,100). But that doesn't alter the fact that the powers that be have definitely shot themselves in the foot. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb;256441 Wrote: Actually if we're going to nit-pick, it's 510,000 pence (ie. £5,100). But that doesn't alter the fact that the powers that be have definitely shot themselves in the foot. Put another way if each listener gets 80 songs per day (4hrs @ 3mins per song) = 2400 a month then 2400 x 0.085p = £2.04 per month. Seems very reasonable or is my calculation flawed? -- Ramage T5500 1.6GHz, SC 7.0 - 15945 Windows Vista, Alien 2.0b3 P4 2.6GHz, SC 7.0 - 15631 - Windows XP, Alien 2.0b3 P2 266MHz, ClarkConnect 4.1, SC 7.0 - 15966, Alien 2.0b3, perl 5.8.8 i686-linux-thread-multi VMware (XPhost), ClarkConnect 4.2, SC7 - 15945, Alien 2.0b3, perl 5.8.8 i686-linux-thread-multi VMware (XPhost), InstantSC, SC7 - 15998, Alien 2.0b Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb;256441 Wrote: Actually if we're going to nit-pick, it's 510,000 pence (ie. £5,100). But that doesn't alter the fact that the powers that be have definitely shot themselves in the foot. *raises eyes heavenwards at self* you are, of course, right. I thought for a minute that I might have misunderstood, and the royalty is actually 8.5p - but the 'JOL Summary' (http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/JOL/Documents/MCPS-PRS%20JOL%202007%20Scheme%20Summary.pdf) has it as: Premium and Interactive Webcasting 6.5% #8226; Subscription: 22p per subscriber per month #8226; Otherwise: 0.085p per musical work streamed which I read as a twelfth of a pence. Is that right? If so, that makes it a bit more interesting, no? £5k per month is £60,000 per year. I wonder how that compares in price to the blanket licence given to analogue radio stations in the UK? -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have also just purchased a Squeezebox solely to stream from Pandora in the UK...I assume that the email from Tim Westergren was accurate when he said that he would be blocking UK IP addresses.if anyone has a workaround, would be seriously grateful for a private email Neil -- NMarshall NMarshall's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14924 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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And then they complain about piracy Yep, and with the RIAA tilting at 'fair use' now too, you may as well just join in with the pirates! -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Deano;255737 Wrote: This is part of an email I just received from Pandora: This is an email I hoped I would never have to send. Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008. We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in the UK for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we'll get beyond this. Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I'm very, very sorry. Tim Westergren (Pandora founder) --- A sad sad day for the UK. Really gutted. Deano, did you get a refund? -- Ramage T5500 1.6GHz, SC 7.0 - 15945 Windows Vista, Alien 2.0b3 P4 2.6GHz, SC 7.0 - 15631 - Windows XP, Alien 2.0b3 P2 266MHz, ClarkConnect 4.1, SC 7.0 - 15966, Alien 2.0b3, perl 5.8.8 i686-linux-thread-multi VMware (XPhost), ClarkConnect 4.2, SC7 - 15945, Alien 2.0b3, perl 5.8.8 i686-linux-thread-multi VMware (XPhost), InstantSC, SC7 - 15998, Alien 2.0b Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Typical - I renewed my subscription only this weekend!! Chances of a refund?! -- itstom itstom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7833 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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No refund as yet, although I'm sure they will provide one, when the time comes. Part of me is just hoping it will continue working on the SB. Don't know why it would. Are there any alternatives in the UK? Rhapsody, Slacker now Pandora are all US only. -- Deano Deano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7775 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Another spectacular own goal by the PPL (which represents the record labels) and the MCPS/PRS Alliance (which represents music publishers). A lot of it is to do with the way Pandora operates (individual and specialised streams for users) - I understand the licences being demanded in the UK are both per track and per stream - making it unworkable for Pandora. I'm also guessing Last.fm may have a similar issue in the near future? -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have just replied to Tim to see if they are refunding or not, not that it's the money I'm upset about - I can't lose Pandora! -- jasonhill jasonhill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14898 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
ar$e!! :( So all we have now is Last.fm ?? But for how long? -- bonze TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 15861 - Windows Server 2003 - EN - cp1252 QNAP TS-101 (2.1.1 build 0827T) - SlimServer 6.5.4 3 x wireless SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
This isn't anything that Logitech can control. Pandora has taken a business decision that it cannot meet the licence fees that are being demanded by the record labels and publishers representatives in the UK and is withdrawing entirely from the UK market. They did something similar in the rest of the world (except the US) last year, but were hopeful a deal could be struck in the UK. Which it now seems it won't be. Have you thought about Last.fm instead? (although how long that will be up for at this rate is anyone's guess...) -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
Hi all, I've been saving-up to get a squeezebox specifically for listening to Pandora. Just as I was about to buy it, I get this email explaining that the service to the UK will be discontinued. What's the score? Will it really dump people who've paid out for the hardware and subscriptions to the Pandora service in the UK or are paying users somehow catered for??? I gave up trying to find a way of asking Logitech this obvious question so I registered here! -- iceled iceled's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14893 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
Seeing as though slingbox users are prepared to pay a subscription for the use of Pandora (once the free trial period is over) I thought access through the networks used by slingbox could be organized for paying customers. I don't know who's been banking the subscription money so far, but surely some of this could pay for Pandora's license fees? REAL money, not dopey advertising revenues. -- iceled iceled's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14893 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
iceled;256097 Wrote: Seeing as though slingbox users are prepared to pay a subscription for the use of Pandora (once the free trial period is over) I thought access through the networks used by slingbox could be organized for paying customers. I don't know who's been banking the subscription money so far, but surely some of this could pay for Pandora's license fees? REAL money, not dopey advertising revenues. YM the license fees Pandora must pay rights owners... Sure, Pandora could raise their rates to pay what is demanded of them, but they most likely ran the numbers and realized no one would pay $50/month or whatever it worked out to be. Just because Pandora collects money doesn't mean they collect -enough- money to pay what is demanded from them. Being a business, they need to collect more than they pay or they go broke and as long as the music companies fail to understand that Music Discovery type systems like Pandora are to their -benefit- and negotiate special rates, that won't happen. (Last.fm has an advantage: they started in the UK before 'compulsory license fees' were established and had to negotiate pricing with each label: prices much lower than the current 'compulsory' rates. Compulsory rates are set by law, specifically so each radio/net-radio station doesn't have to negotiate with everyone, they just pay the going rate into a fund that is distributed to the labels... The labels are stupid, however, and usually lobby for very high rates, missing the opportunity for advertising their music... radio and now net radio has always been good to push hitmakers and increase sales.) This isn't special to the UK: US netradio is still in danger of stupidly high compulsory fees. As I recall, Rhapsody said it would owe nearly a billion dollars under the last proposed rate structure, presently on hold. Complain to your lawmakers: they are the ones who set the fees. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
Thanks for your explanation snarlydwarf. I can never get a handle on the value of advertising. I imagine the typical punter to be like myself - not once have I been motivated to buy a Big-Mac while listening to Pandora. I kind of have a figure in my head of pennies per seat per day flowing back into advertisers coffers hence real, regular, subscription money seems so much more valuable. The US business model Pandora is operating under right now is all advertising based (isn't it?) so just how much extra is the RIAA (or whatever) looking for to permit offshore access? Something still doesn't seem to add up (but then again, my maths isn't all that hot) -- iceled iceled's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14893 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
Regarding Pandora we have the same problems in Germany . Now the only available and good (just my opinion!) service is Napster. Are there any plans to support Napster in the near future? Thanks -- mmbeamer mmbeamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
This is part of an email I just received from Pandora: This is an email I hoped I would never have to send. Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008. We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in the UK for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we'll get beyond this. Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I'm very, very sorry. Tim Westergren (Pandora founder) --- A sad sad day for the UK. Really gutted. -- Deano Deano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7775 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] GUTTED: The end of Pandora in the UK!
And then they complain about piracy (not Pandora, the music industry...). -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41900 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
