Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I'm a little bit unsure how changing a license for a community project would work at all and how it would be done. -- JinOverfelt JinOverfelt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44709 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
The OrbMusic App - (No longer available) - did offer playback of music on the iPad with a handy interface provided the free Orb streaming app was installed on your PC. I don't know if the "Orb Live" app works the same way :-( Hopefully, iPeng will add a playback feature to the excellent "iPeng for iPad" app soon! -- cvj cvj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I just clicked through on the link and let it open in iTunes. I didn't spot at the time it was iOS 4.x only and didn't actually buy it. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
ovonrein;583860 Wrote: > Thanks, pippin. Leaves me to wonder how it is that Bill and Andy can > see it in their AppStore. Are you guys on iOS4 already? probably. Or they use an iPhone, too. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Thanks, pippin. Leaves me to wonder how it is that Bill and Andy can see it in their AppStore. Are you guys on iOS4 already? -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I checked. SqueezeCast currently requires iOS4 so will not show up for iPad. I use an older version. It should work again when iOS4.2 for iPad is out. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Bill Burns;583686 Wrote: > On 10/18/2010 7:34 AM, andynormancx wrote: > > Squeezecast is still there in the app store for sale. > > And in the notes at the app store is this: > > "August 6, 2010 > > "We recommend using iPeng to control the music in Squeezecast which > runs > in the background in iOS4." > > -- > Bill Burns > Long Island NY USA > http://ftldesign.comI wonder whether our respective location has any bearing > on the AppStore offers (you US, me UK). I looked for squeeze-anything and no SqueezeCast pops up. I may follow the internet link via iTunes, and perhaps we can get it that way. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
On 10/18/2010 7:34 AM, andynormancx wrote: > Squeezecast is still there in the app store for sale. And in the notes at the app store is this: "August 6, 2010 "We recommend using iPeng to control the music in Squeezecast which runs in the background in iOS4." -- Bill Burns Long Island NY USA http://ftldesign.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
On 18-10-2010 14:17, pippin wrote: > peter;583660 Wrote: >> On 18-10-2010 14:04, pippin wrote:[color=blue] >> I checked the forum and I see that you're correct. Sorry about my >> reaction. >> The forum to mail gateway just stripped 3/4 of your reply! :( >> I just received the single sentence I quoted. >> >> I can see that locating all the authors would be a problem. >> > Yea, I saw that you are answering though the mail gateway after > responding. The problem is I edited my mail after posting. I do that a > lot because I don't want to do several posts in a row and I'm always so > impatient... > It's a frequent issue that the mail gateway keeps "forgetting" all > these edits. Annoying. > I'm a little bit unsure how changing a license for a community project > would work at all and how it would be done. I'm no license expert, but I figure you'd need to contact all of the contributors and ask permission to add a different license. If all agree, it's done, I guess. Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
peter;583660 Wrote: > On 18-10-2010 14:04, pippin wrote:[color=blue] > > > I checked the forum and I see that you're correct. Sorry about my > reaction. > The forum to mail gateway just stripped 3/4 of your reply! :( > I just received the single sentence I quoted. > > I can see that locating all the authors would be a problem. > Yea, I saw that you are answering though the mail gateway after responding. The problem is I edited my mail after posting. I do that a lot because I don't want to do several posts in a row and I'm always so impatient... It's a frequent issue that the mail gateway keeps "forgetting" all these edits. I'm a little bit unsure how changing a license for a community project would work at all and how it would be done. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
On 18-10-2010 14:04, pippin wrote: > peter;583655 Wrote: >> On 18-10-2010 13:49, pippin wrote:[color=blue] >> Don't you hate it when people ignore the main point of your post in >> order top concentrate on a minor sentence? >> >> Main point was: Ask the squeezeslave author. >> > And my reply was: there is no single Squeezeslave author holding the > rights anymore. I checked the forum and I see that you're correct. Sorry about my reaction. The forum to mail gateway just stripped 3/4 of your reply! :( I just received the single sentence I quoted. I can see that locating all the authors would be a problem. Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
peter;583655 Wrote: > On 18-10-2010 13:49, pippin wrote:[color=blue] > Main point was: Ask the squeezeslave author. > Plus, btw, I did ask the original author a long time ago. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
peter;583655 Wrote: > On 18-10-2010 13:49, pippin wrote:[color=blue] > Don't you hate it when people ignore the main point of your post in > order top concentrate on a minor sentence? > > Main point was: Ask the squeezeslave author. > And my reply was: there is no single Squeezeslave author holding the rights anymore. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
On 18-10-2010 13:49, pippin wrote: > peter;583650 Wrote: >> On 18-10-2010 13:31, pippin wrote: >>> I also don't always agree with Apple but this is at least as much >> GPL's >>> fault. As I said, it's not a license, it's a dogma. >> It's the free choice of the author to use it. >> > Not that of an author of a derived work. Don't you hate it when people ignore the main point of your post in order top concentrate on a minor sentence? Main point was: Ask the squeezeslave author. Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
peter;583650 Wrote: > On 18-10-2010 13:31, pippin wrote: > > I also don't always agree with Apple but this is at least as much > GPL's > > fault. As I said, it's not a license, it's a dogma. > > It's the free choice of the author to use it. > Not that of an author of a derived work. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
On 18-10-2010 13:31, pippin wrote: > I also don't always agree with Apple but this is at least as much GPL's > fault. As I said, it's not a license, it's a dogma. It's the free choice of the author to use it. AFAIK the author may choose to release the software under a different (dual) license as well (perhaps a BSD license would be more appropriate in this case). Perhaps the author(s) of Squeezeslave could be persuaded to do the same. Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Squeezecast is still there in the app store for sale. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I also don't always agree with Apple but this is at least as much GPL's fault. As I said, it's not a license, it's a dogma. Apple demands exclusivity on it's store, GPL demands you set everything you use the software with under GPL, too. It's similar. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I understand now after reading here http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement. (There is someone out there who actually took the time to read thru the 48 pages of T&Cs on iTunes. Nuts. Imagine you walked into a real-world store, wanted to by a CD, got to the till and before you'd be allowed to complete your purchase, the cashier insisted that you sign a copy of War&Peace - unreal.) I imagine, then, that this may also be the reason behind SqueezeCasts disappearance? (It is still here http://download.cnet.com/Squeezecast/3000-2133_4-75141363.html but I am not sure how to get it from there to the iPad.) Is the AppStore the only way to get s/w on to the iPad? If so, this sucks. I have the feeling that as soon as a viable alternative to the iPad comes on to the market, that shall be the end of our iPad. I do not agree with Apple's philosophy. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
ovonrein;583549 Wrote: > so a separate app would be my preferred way to go, particularly given > your GPL concerns. As said. GPL is not compatible with AppStore rules. There was once a GPL App (GNU Go) on the App Store, but it was removed as soon as it came out. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com) *! Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
QuickTime, which is an Apple App can do multitasking. It's not that iPad can't multitask, it's it doesn't support it in the sandbox. As I said: iOS4 will support it. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
pippin;583542 Wrote: > a separate App would not help here, right? No multitasking on iPad, yet. > And as soon as there is, you could as well use e.g. SqueezeCast.I am not sure > this is right. When I did the stream.mp3 experiment in Safari, I was able to play chess while the music was playing. So there is _some_ multi-tasking. And as regards SqueezeCast ... well, it's VaporWare as far as I am concerned. I cannot find it. I dunno Squeezy but from that description I am not gaining much. If I just wanted to play my files (inc FLAC), I could use ZumoCast (it will transcode where necessary). I wanted to hook up to SBS to tap into the live streams. (And before you point it out, yes, I know, there's a lot of radio apps for the iPad.) -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
You can also look at squeezy. This app is not only a controller but also a plager. It has it limmits. No radio only your local library. It works fine with mp3 but not flac at this time. Rob -- rkotemp rkotemp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22581 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Squeezeslave is C. The App Store agreement requires exclusivity. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Well, if the slave were a stand-along piece of code, then it would not force iPeng onto GPL. But if the AppStore somehow prohibits redistribution - I have not read the 48 pages of T&Cs - then that's a bit of a deal-breaker wrt GPL. You sure about this? It would be fantastically stupid of Apple to close the door on all GPL development, present and future. I hear your reservations about stream.mp3 - I did not know that the buffering was germane to that API but I have read bad reviews about its latency, you are right. I was just thinking that the playback part of the code from SoftSqueeze may not be much use to you since I seem to remember that it is built on the Java mp3 codec, which will likely not be available to you on the iPad. Too bad. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
The problem is not selling for money. GPL doesn't prohibit that. The problem is allowing redistribution without limitations which is what the AppStore does not and also demanding that I would have to set all of iPeng under GPL. Stream.mp3 is not an option for me. There's an App out there using that and it has a two-star rating. The buffering makes it unresponsive and it will not work at all for >50% of the users - all those who can't transcode. Frankly, I don't want to spoil the user experience os iPeng customers with badly working features, iPeng is too expensive an App for that. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
The GPL would allow you to distribute a playback slave for free. You may not think that this is worth your while. On the other hand, such a UI-less slave is pointless without something like iPeng. And to the extent that it is pointless, the free (GPL) app then becomes a marketing tool for/introduction to (the chargable) iPeng. I am not sure how much of the code of SoftSqueeze would port to the iPad anyway. If you can tap into stream.mp3, then it's really just the player registration part of the code. But you looked at it and I believe you when you say it isn't easy. I would just find it sad if the GPL stopped you. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
If it were easy I would have done it a long time ago. I can't borrow from SoftSqueeze since that would be a violation of the SoftSqueeze license, it's GPL which unfortunately is not compatible with the App Store agreement (and a lot of other business models; GPL is not a license, it's a dogma). You can do that for a standalone App and hope nothing happens but I can't do it with iPeng. I hope to have a different solution soon, though, but no guarantees given. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
Thanks Pippin. We shall see next month, I suppose. I was just wondering: Given that you have done all the hard work of creating, in iPeng, a superb iPad UI to SBS, would it not be (relatively) easy to compile a quick add-on that would morph iPeng into a SoftSqueeze-like player for the iPad? -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
I believe what Jeff means is that with iOS 4.2 you can send it to the background. Of course only if you could find it. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
@gharris999: If you are prepared to put up with the hassle of no player control at all, then even Safari will do stream.mp3. A modicum of user interface would be nice, though! I have got ZumoCast installed, so I can use that to stream music files. Not quite SBS, but better than stream.mp3. @jeff: I cannot find any reference to SqueezeCast anywhere in the AppStore, neither for iPhone nor iPad. Why would the release of an OS upgrade change that? Thanks guys. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
In the mean time, I believe that the Nullriver Tuner Internet Radio app will play SBS content if directed at: http://your_SBS_ip_address:9000/stream.mp3 SBS will then see the iPad as a client to transcode to. You'll have to use some other interface (e.g. the webUI) to construct and control the playlist for the "client". -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
ovonrein;583300 Wrote: > My son is keen to tap into our SBS from his iPad. I am confused about > the current state of development: iPeng is *not* a player, correct? > Only a controller (of players)? I cannot find SqueezeCast in the > AppStore - is this dead? I paid up for SqueezeMobile - it would not > work at all; got a refund. What other options do I have? (I know that > background streaming works but that's just too much hassle.) As soon as IOS 4.2 gets released for the iPad next month, you should be able to use SqueezeCast as a player. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to listen to music on iPad?
My son is keen to tap into our SBS from his iPad. I am confused about the current state of development: iPeng is *not* a player, correct? Only a controller (of players)? I cannot find SqueezeCast in the AppStore - is this dead? I paid up for SqueezeMobile - it would not work at all; got a refund. What other options do I have? (I know that background streaming works but that's just too much hassle.) -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
