Re: [slim] Price Difference
willyhoops;258357 Wrote: ps: The EU has special rules which say in order to trade there you are not allowed to charge very different prices between EU countries becuase it would distort the EU's single market. this is why apple just cut itunes prices in the uk after the fall of sterling vs the euro. Indeed - but it doesn't explain why Apple charges 50% more in the EU than the US for downloads... -- Khuli http://www.last.fm/user/khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=851 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 14-Jan-08, at 12:07 AM, Diana Artemis wrote: kdf wrote: snip ... my recent need for a hard drive in the UK lead me to a very nice supply of computer parts Name? URL? http://www.novatech.co.uk They have a store down in Portsmouth (where I was for Christmas). I found the pricing reasonable and the staff are superb. It's basically a warehouse with a front desk. You go up and order what you want, pay, then move to the other desk to wait for them to call you when they have picked it from stores. They even give you stock counts online, and you can order for pickup. Very handy when a laptop drive suddenly dies while on vacation :) -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf wrote: snip ... my recent need for a hard drive in the UK lead me to a very nice supply of computer parts Name? URL? Yours, Hopeful UK Dweller ;-) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;258291 Wrote: http://www.novatech.co.uk They have a store down in Portsmouth (where I was for Christmas). I found the pricing reasonable and the staff are superb. It's basically a warehouse with a front desk. You go up and order what you want, pay, then move to the other desk to wait for them to call you when they have picked it from stores. They even give you stock counts online, and you can order for pickup. Very handy when a laptop drive suddenly dies while on vacation :) -kdf Scan Computers (http://www.scan.co.uk/) do a similar things in Bolton. And they do stock SBs :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 14-Jan-08, at 1:03 AM, funkstar wrote: -kdf Scan Computers (http://www.scan.co.uk/) do a similar things in Bolton. And they do stock SBs :) 180 quid isn't bad, that's about 360 canadian and I certainly wouldn't see getting SB3 for less than that here once you factor in taxes and shipping (in BC it's 12% for pst/gst). Early on, even getting an SB in Canada was quite a premium. Still have yet to seem them in a shop that I can walk into out west. On a tangent, however, we can get a Nokia n800 for $243 plus tax just down the street. (ncix.com, my local equivalent of novatech) -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;258291 Wrote: On 14-Jan-08, at 12:07 AM, Diana Artemis wrote: kdf wrote: snip ... my recent need for a hard drive in the UK lead me to a very nice supply of computer parts Name? URL? http://www.novatech.co.uk They have a store down in Portsmouth (where I was for Christmas). I found the pricing reasonable and the staff are superb. It's basically a warehouse with a front desk. You go up and order what you want, pay, then move to the other desk to wait for them to call you when they have picked it from stores. They even give you stock counts online, and you can order for pickup. Very handy when a laptop drive suddenly dies while on vacation :) -kdf Yes Novatech are very good - they also have a warehouse in Bristol (Portishead) and have just opened another somewhere. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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We have a lot of good online stores in the UK. Novatech and Scan are already mentioned. I can also add: Dabs (http://www.dabs.com - also in Bolton) Overclockers (http://www.overclockers.co.uk - shop is in Stoke-on-Trent) PC World (http://www.pcworld.co.uk - Largest UK computer retail chain, wouldn't normally recommend them because of their higher prices, but their website is more competitively priced and they do sell SB3s for £179.99 http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?sku=424887page=Product) Broadband Buyer (http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk - great for networking stuff, and where I bought my SB3) -- DoomWolf DoomWolf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;258211 Wrote: I never get any of these arguments. It's not just exchange. There is shipping, import tax, commission/surcharges on exchange, stocking charges, and pay rates for whoever manages the whole thing locally. Plus, as is often pointed out, you can buy online and get it shipped yourself. After all, it could be worse. You could share a border and still be told it's not available and can't be shipped across the border. When everything goes global, we'll all be better for it, but then we'll get to complain about the even bigger megacorporations. :) -kdf but slimdevices is a logitech company now so i still don't understand the huge price increase. -- drewe181 http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/ drewe181's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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drewe181;258320 Wrote: but slimdevices is a logitech company now so i still don't understand the huge price increase. Just becasue these are now logitech products doesn't mean they escape the possible aditional costs KDF listed. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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the prices are usually different between the usa and europe etc becaause: (1) the slim devices web site is only going to sell these things at the retail price becuase otherwise shops would complain if the mail order and shop price differed (shops could refuse to stock the goods). (2) the retail price only gets adjusted from time to time unlike exchange rates (3) the retail price reflects the wages and property and tax rates in the economy in question. (4) manufactures do not sell products and a fixed percentage over cost - instead they try to charge a price which gives them a maximum income. eg if they charge 20% more for the unit and sales fall 10% then this is a good increase but if sales fall 30% it is not. this equality comes out differently in different countries - so windows in china costs a fraction of windows in the usa. So although we consumers make a lot of fuss it's totally normal and our only way out is to import if the price diff is that big. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quite frankly this is starting to get on my nerves. It's one thing to ask to immediately change prices according to exchange rates. But the Euro/Dollar situation is kind of ridiculous now. There's no way that the European prices can be justified when compared to the US ones. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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totally agree ... It's an abuse ! -- BenZorg BenZorg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14834 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Even though I am here in the U.S. I have to agree with you guys, those prices are exorbitant and come across as a bit arrogant. By overcharging not only do you lose some customer goodwill/loyalty, you open the door for more competitors. To be fair, maybe someone from Logitech can explain the reason(s) for all the extra overhead to justify those higher prices??? -- USAudio 'SB3 CIAudio VDA-2/VAC-1 CIAudio PLC-1 CIAudio D-200 Revel Concerta F12 + SVS SB12-Plus' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=243007postcount=697) USAudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I never get any of these arguments. It's not just exchange. There is shipping, import tax, commission/surcharges on exchange, stocking charges, and pay rates for whoever manages the whole thing locally. Plus, as is often pointed out, you can buy online and get it shipped yourself. After all, it could be worse. You could share a border and still be told it's not available and can't be shipped across the border. When everything goes global, we'll all be better for it, but then we'll get to complain about the even bigger megacorporations. :) -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;258211 Wrote: I never get any of these arguments. It's not just exchange. There is shipping, import tax, commission/surcharges on exchange, stocking charges, and pay rates for whoever manages the whole thing locally. Aren't these things manufactured and imported from China? If so, how does any given country differ significantly from the US in these areas? Are Logitch keyboards 50% more expensive in other countries than they are in the US? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Don't forget that in the US a deal is a deal. Many US resellers have restocking fees that apply if the customer decides to return his unit. This does not hold true for many countries outside the US. For instance in Finland, any seller must BY LAW take back a consumer unit for FULL REFUND if the product is returned within 14 days. Restocking fees are generally unheard of in Nordic countries (and in Europe in general, AFAIK). All returns will be a burden on the seller. Consequently, the margins must be bigger than in the US. Peter -- pnielsen pnielsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Logitech / SD products are hardly the only ones in the world where the European price is considerably more than (US price x exchange rate). Most things just cost more in Europe, for a number of reasons already listed (wages, taxes, return policies, etc.). And it's not just the Euro zone -- I've always been astounded that prices in the UK look normal... if they were US$. Quite a ripoff at twice the cost. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 13-Jan-08, at 4:33 PM, JJZolx wrote: Aren't these things manufactured and imported from China? I don't know if you've ever bothered to research this, but shipping costs aren't simply directly proportional to distance travelled. The country of entry matters, as does the type of product and any regulatory issues. Canada, for example, has the now 5% GST but products simply jumping across the border from the US are not simply 5% more. There are costs for meeting CSA safety regulations as well as packaging due to the requirement for both French and English on packaging, plus labelling laws on certain products (especially food). If so, how does any given country differ significantly from the US in these areas? Are Logitch keyboards 50% more expensive in other countries than they are in the US? I haven't had the opportunity to compare keyboards, but I have noticed that network routers are much more costly. as is some food, gasoline most certainly. Beer at the pubs is cheaper by a bit (helped by the no tipping thing). Eating out at a restaurant is insane (at least in most parts of England. Bedding seems to be cheaper, strangely, and most things you get at MS. It varies wildly but hardly predatory. They have rather stiff laws about that. Oddly, my recent need for a hard drive in the UK lead me to a very nice supply of computer parts that were on par with hard drives in my part of Canada. However, this store is the low overhead type that isn't likely to be carrying squeezeboxes any time soon. Keyboards, I imagine, also benefit from an economy of scale. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Price Difference
okay, so i just noticed that for people such as myself who live in australia, we now have to purchase SB's through the logitech website which charges more than $100AU more than through the slim devices website. whats the deal with that? I'm now looking at paying $599AU for the duet instead of around $447 if purchased from this site. this seems a little steep and since i have not been hit with import tax from the SB i purchased years ago, i don't see how the increase can be justified. -D -- drewe181 http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/ drewe181's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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it's the same here, they hike the price's in europe too. You have my support. In Eu they simply made 1 dollar= 1 Euro =10 SEK (Swedish kronor) Sombody at logitech must calculate the EU prices with software that only handles integers ;-) i don't see how the increase can be justified. It can't, not by any morale standard that applies to Homo sapiens. But higher upp in hierarky off every large company is carbon based life-forms that fits in suites, they think otherwise. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42113 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
