[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
Michael Herger;175203 Wrote: 1. *How do you select which music to play today ?* (Browse, Search, Random, Smart playlists, other?) 4. MIP based on some song I like (browse to song - MIP)What type of things are you using MIP for ? Is it just for playing similar songs to one that you like, or do you use it for other stuff than similar songs ? ceejay;175209 Wrote: Some but not all of the music I listen to is classical: in this case options 1 and 2 work but not very well due to SS's limitations in dealing with classical music, and 3 is irrelevant.I only have a few albums of classical music myself so I haven't really experienced any problems, but I guess the situation would be totaly different when the number of classical albums in a collection increases. Is the problem with Custom Browse that it feels to static to solve the classical music browsing or is the problem something else ? ceejay;175209 Wrote: For nonclassical, what would improve my listening would be something that made option 1 more effective at leading me to places I might be missing. I suppose a list of the albums that haven't been played recently would be a start (I know I could do that with your plugins!) but it would be a pain if you got the same list every time, because there is probably a good reason why those albums haven't been played! Filtering this list by Genre would be good. Maybe what I want is give me a list of 20 albums from this genre which haven't been played recently and which weren't on the list offered last time I asked this question! I'll add it to the wish list, it should be quite easy to do with Custom Browse. I guess a menu like to following should solve your problem: Code: Random Albums by Genre Genres Show all genres Show 20 random albums within the selected genre, but exclude those that has been played within the last xx days (There is already a Random Album menu available with Custom Browse but without the extra Genre level and without the not recently played filtering) Would it be a good idea to also have a Not played within level in the top of the menu so you can easily select to exclude albums played within last day, last week, last month or last year ? slimkid;175318 Wrote: I find the 'drill down' method to be very usefull if one really wants to actively listen to the music. Lately, I have asked a question about obvious bug, where there's the arrow showing by the 'Year' tag, but drill-down doesn't work. But then, I'm thinking that the drill-down might be implemented on any tag where there's a posibility of having multiple items. Title is the first that comes to mind. For example, I'm listening to 'Almost Blue' performed by Diana Krall. Then I ask myself, let's see how does Elvis Costello does the same song (for purely trivia reasons :) ). Then, I'd like to compare it to more classical performance of Billy Holiday. So, drill-down on title would make sense. Then, I want to hear why (or if) is Karajan's vision of Requiem better than other's performances. Drill down on track title or album should be able to take me to the another track with the same name.I'm guessing that with 'drill down' you are talking about the menu shown when going right when a track is displayed ? For example from the Now Playing screen ? I have been thinking myself a bit about this to and primary I would like to get ratings and tags handled by the Custom Tag plugin available there and also some support for the Multi Library plugin to limit the result to the active library. I'm thinking that it might be a good solution to make it a bit configurable in same way as Custom Browse where the user can decide what information he wants to be available in the 'drill down'. I'm not sure if its possible to hook into the 'drill down' menus, so I'm not sure whats possible to do yet. MY OWN HABITS Personally I have a few smart playlists in SQL playlist that I play music with. Some only inludes high rated tracks, other includes everything but a few bad artists/albums and low rated tracks. Occasionally when I am listing I like to listen to a specific song. I then browse to that song with the browse menu and hold add down to insert it as the next song in the current playlist. The big improvement for me I think would be to be able to use the SqueezeBox when deciding which music to purchase. Today I often do this by browsing Allmusic.com, Amazon.com and similar sites and listen to their 30 seconds preview. I often use their different types of similarity/follower statistics when deciding what to preview. The ratings and reviews on Allmusic is also sometimes helfull, but thats used more like a way to decide if an artist is of interest or not when I have already found it. I also sometimes use the Amazon.com customer has also bought this statistics. SUMMARY SO FAR By reading all posters comments so far it seems like most people use the browse
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
In order: - Browse by Album sorted by Artist/Year/Album. I just look around, and see what interests me, the same as I do with my CD collection and did with my vinyl collection before that. If I know what I'm after, I pretty much browse directly to it. - Search. If I _really_ know what I'm after, a search is the quickest way to get to it. I usually search by artist or album name and dig down from there if necessary. - Random play. My biggest problem with random play, though, is that you can't exclude genres. I'd like to play Jazz, for instance, but exclude tracks also tagged Christmas. Or play Blues, but exclude tracks also tagged Rock. What I know I'll never use: - Track ratings. - Track exclusions/filtering. - A system that decides what I want to hear from my library based upon what I've already listened to. The last one isn't to say that I may not use Rhapsody or something along those lines to discover new music, but for me things like that are more of a curiosity than anything else. The bit of experience that I have with things like Rhapsody hasn't impressed me very much. I like real live radio programs and knowledgeable disc jockeys for discovering new music that I'll listen to and buy. One of the biggest improvements to SlimServer for me would be more flexible browsing in the web interface, with more customizable information shown in the different browse modes and at the different levels. For instance I want to see track lengths and composers for tracks in the the album track listing. And additional album details like the band/albumartist, the genre(s), the album date and the total playing time when in that same view. More information could be supressed from the track lines, like the artist name if it's the same on all tracks, and of course, the album name that appears on every line. There's a lot of potential for the web interface, but it strikes me as being far too rigid in its presentation of data right now. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
erland;175607 Wrote: By reading all posters comments so far it seems like most people use the browse mechanism as primary tool for selecting what to play. If I am interpreting this correctly most of you know what you want to listen to and you use Browse to find it. I've not posted before in this thread, so maybe I'm weird, but... If I know what I want to listen to, I'll use the Lazy Search plugin to get to it quickly. I tend to use Browse when I don't know what I want to listen to and feel like scanning through the list of artists. One last point (I've said this before in a thread many months ago). The biggest thing I miss is the ability to walk up to a wall rack full of CDs (stacked like books, spines showing), and scan it almost at random, flitting the eyes around until you happen on an album you feel like playing. I can't envisage any way of replicating that, short of having a huge plasma or LCD screen on the wall displaying an image of all the CD spines. Come to think of it, if that screen were touch-sensitive, you could then just tap the album you want played. That would be seriously cool - but stupidly expensive. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
cliveb;175648 Wrote: Come to think of it, if that screen were touch-sensitive, you could then just tap the album you want played. That would be seriously cool - but stupidly expensive. You could do something similar using a web tablet and an interface a bit like the iTunes 3D cover art browsing modes. You can spot albums by art far faster when scanning and it also really does prompt listening to old albums far more than reading a list. I much prefer to pick music this way and I wish you could do it in Slim. I also like to pick music based on my mood, so for example I'll often pick a playlist that has acoustic guitar music on after work, or sometimes one with funk on it at the weekend. It's a little more finely defined than genre (RB, World etc.) and my own playlists that I have created in iTunes. It would be nice to be able to have additional tags or data that gave some feel for tempo or mood of tracks. I guess products like mood logic do this, but I have never tried them. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
I browse by Artist 9 times out of 10. What would be REALLY nice would be the ability to customise the order of items in the 'Browse by' list. I never browse by Album so having that come up first is a real pain. Other than that I use MusicIP and LastFM, but I'm largely happy with how they work. The important thing is to get the very basic 'out of the box' usability right to ensure the product appeals to Jo Public and his / her significant other half. -- hunta hunta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=333 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
hunta wrote: I browse by Artist 9 times out of 10. What would be REALLY nice would be the ability to customise the order of items in the 'Browse by' list. I never browse by Album so having that come up first is a real pain. I just took Browse out of the main menu, and replaced it with Browse Artists and Browse Genres, which are the only two browse types I ever use. I also remapped the Brightness remote key to Browse Artists. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
erland;175187 Wrote: As I said in the beginning I'm both interesting in how you select which music to play today and how you would like the selection to be done in the future. These are great questions, thanks for asking! Note that probably 80% of my SlimServer use is listening to tracks at work via softsqueeze, which I've done for years. We have about 18K tracks and recently bought our first Squeezebox. Here's the most common ways we use the system: 1 - Search to artist, track or album and then do a MusicIP Mix based on that thing 2 - Browse New Music to get to the latest additions to the library, then either play the new disc or do a MusicIP Mix on the new disc. We also do Browse New Music to find the latest podcasts that a separate program has downloaded to our library. 2 - Go to the Plugins - Podcast menu to listen to a podcast directly 3 - Streaming Radio in general, whether it be the Internet Radio section, last.fm, radio.io, Radio Keneally, etc. Also our local public radio station doesn't come in very well over the antenna, so we listen to them through their stream almost exclusively now. 4 - Search to album and play the whole album. Once in a while search to artist, select whole artist and randomize it (my son does that with Weird Al in particular) 5 - Recently I installed the SQL Playlists and have played with that. The big thing I did was make a very long query to make a spouse-safe playlist that only played artists she liked. I would prefer to use MusicIPs Filters function, but that requires the GUI and I'm running MusicIP headless on FreeBSD. Overall I would say that we mostly use intelligent random mixing + some targeted listening. We have pretty much abandoned true Random listening, as our collection is too big and too broad to enjoy it that way. Once in a while I like my Slayer to fade into my Puccini, but not often. I've had a blast with SQL Playlists (I'm a Data Architect IRL), but even the spouse-safe, artist-constrained list proved to generally be too jarring on a track-by-track basis. You did a great job with that plug-in though; it's a blast. I've stated in other forums: I used Slimserver before MusicIP, but my enjoyment of my collection truly peaks with the combination of Slimserver for delivery and MusicIP for selection.The ultimate for me will be to have MusiciP/Slimserver mix my own tracks with Rhapsody tracks. That's nirvana, imo. All the music I've bought plus a tremendous rental catalog, intelligently mixed. Just got to get MusicIP to add more of the GUI functionality (namely filters and exclusions) to the headless version. -- thing-fish [image: http://imagegen.last.fm/3line/recenttracks/thing-fish.gif] thing-fish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
erland;175187 Wrote: As I said in the beginning I'm both interesting in how you select which music to play today and how you would like the selection to be done in the future. These are great questions, thanks for asking! Note that probably 80% of my SlimServer use is listening to tracks at work via softsqueeze, which I've done for years. We have about 18K tracks and recently bought our first Squeezebox. Here's the most common ways we use the system: 1 - Search to artist, track or album and then do a MusicIP Mix based on that thing 2 - Browse New Music to get to the latest additions to the library, then either play the new disc or do a MusicIP Mix on the new disc. We also do Browse New Music to find the latest podcasts that a separate program has downloaded to our library. 2 - Go to the Plugins - Podcast menu to listen to a podcast directly 3 - Streaming Radio in general, whether it be the Internet Radio section, last.fm, radio.io, Radio Keneally, etc. Also our local public radio station doesn't come in very well over the antenna, so we listen to them through their stream almost exclusively now. 4 - Search to album and play the whole album. Once in a while search to artist, select whole artist and randomize it (my son does that with Weird Al in particular) 5 - Recently I installed the SQL Playlists and have played with that. The big thing I did was make a very long query to make a spouse-safe playlist that only played artists she liked. I would prefer to use MusicIPs Filters function, but that requires the GUI and I'm running MusicIP headless on FreeBSD. Overall I would say that we mostly use intelligent random mixing + some targeted listening. We have pretty much abandoned true Random listening, as our collection is too big and too broad to enjoy it that way. Once in a while I like my Slayer to fade into my Puccini, but not often. I've had a blast with SQL Playlists (I'm a Data Architect IRL), but even the spouse-safe, artist-constrained list proved to generally be too jarring on a track-by-track basis. You did a great job with that plug-in though; it's a blast. I've stated in other forums: I used Slimserver before MusicIP, but my enjoyment of my collection truly peaks with the combination of Slimserver for delivery and MusicIP for selection.The ultimate for me will be to have MusiciP/Slimserver mix my own tracks with Rhapsody tracks. That's nirvana, imo. All the music I've bought plus a tremendous rental catalog, intelligently mixed. Just got to get MusicIP to add more of the GUI functionality (namely filters and exclusions) to the headless version. -- thing-fish [image: http://imagegen.last.fm/3line/recenttracks/thing-fish.gif] thing-fish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
erland;175187 Wrote: Since most of my plugins are related to different ways of selecting which music to play I'm a bit interested to know a bit more about this to get some new ideas. 1. *How do you select which music to play today ?* (Browse, Search, Random, Smart playlists, other?) 2. *How would you like to select which music to play in the future ?* 1. Mainly Browse, static and dynamic playlists. Never use search and haven't used random mix yet. When I browse, I frequently select a genre or an artist and then I press play and shuffle it. 2. A version of music that actually works would be nice. Some additional questions just to give you an idea about what type of things I am looking for comments on: - Do you like to be in control your self where you manually select exactly which song to play and in which order to play them ? Sometimes. - If you like to be in control yourself do you do this by creating a number of static playlists that you use later or do you like to browse/search for the exact artist/song every time ? - Do only like to use browsing functions or only search functions or both ? - Do you base the selection on what to play next on the currently playing song/artist ? - Do you want the system to automatically select music for you ? - If you want the system to select music for you, which type of logic should it base the selection on ? Do you want it to be totally random or should it do some more clever things ? - Do you want to system to automatically suggest music but still have the control to select exactly which of the suggestions to play ? What logic or information shall the suggestions be based on ? - Do you want the selection to be based on other peoples listening habits or just your own ? For example by using information from LastFM/Amazon.com and similar sites for the automatic selection ? As I said in the beginning I'm both interesting in how you select which music to play today and how you would like the selection to be done in the future. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
erland;175607 Wrote: I only have a few albums of classical music myself so I haven't really experienced any problems, but I guess the situation would be totaly different when the number of classical albums in a collection increases. Is the problem with Custom Browse that it feels to static to solve the classical music browsing or is the problem something else ? This has been covered at great length elsewhere - not least in the enhancement requests we filed a year ago. But the problem is broader than just the way we can browse. We need additional tags (Performer, at least), the means to browse or search by composer performer and conductor independently AND then some flexible browsing. The so called advanced search is almost a joke in this context. I have used some of your plugins - and very helpful they are too - but as you have acknowledged more than once they are sticking plasters on the side of SS rather than a proper fix. So, although I have used your plugins to add Performer for display purposes, I can't use it to search. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ceejay;175834 Wrote: This has been covered at great length elsewhere - not least in the enhancement requests we filed a year ago. But the problem is broader than just the way we can browse. We need additional tags (Performer, at least), the means to browse or search by composer performer and conductor independently AND then some flexible browsing. The so called advanced search is almost a joke in this context. I have used some of your plugins - and very helpful they are too - but as you have acknowledged more than once they are sticking plasters on the side of SS rather than a proper fix. So, although I have used your plugins to add Performer for display purposes, I can't use it to search. Ceejay If you put the performers in the comment tag, you could use the advanced search function. But, I agree, the advanced search function is useless for me right now. A couple of things could make it more useful. - Support for more tags, like rating for example. And, why not, support for the performer tag. - It would be great if we could save a given search. For example, suppose you want to hear Glen Gould playing J.S. Bach. You could do the following search: - Artist: J.S. Bach - Perfomer: Glen Gould or, alternatively: - comment: performer is Glen Gould Then you save your search, give it a name, something like Gould plays Bach. So the next time you'll want to hear Gould playing Bach, you'll just have to click on Gould plays Bach. And I assume your search would auto-update: if you add an album where Gould plays Bach, it will automatically be added. So it would a bit like Mac OS X smart folders. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
Apple's media player interface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4itNWe27d38eurl= Sadly you need a HD TV, but it's pretty slick nonetheless. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
hi erland - thats a lot of questions in one go! But what the heck, lets try... The first thing I'd say is that it's really important for me to be able to choose music in any of several different ways. 1 - most often, I browse by artist, or sometimes by genre then artist (I have multiple genre values on my music) for an album and play the album as intended. Sometimes, to pick an artist, I press one of the number buttons to be taken to a random place in the list (so I'm not always starting at A) and scroll from here till I find something I like. 2 - slightly less often, I think I want to listen to X and then use either search or browse to find it (LazySearch works well if I'm not absolutely sure of the details, otherwise I just browse to it). 3 - occasionally I want the system to choose for me in which case I usually use LastFM. Occasionally I might use a randomplay list from a genre. In these cases I'm listening to tracks rather than albums. This is quite rare for me. 4 - I have almost no use for static or dynamic playlists. I do have an audition playlist which is my preferred reference list of music to listen to when I'm checking out a change to my stereo, but that's it. As Michael said, Search mostly gets used for answering questions (have we got this track? how many versions of it? who sang that song?). Some but not all of the music I listen to is classical: in this case options 1 and 2 work but not very well due to SS's limitations in dealing with classical music, and 3 is irrelevant. For nonclassical, what would improve my listening would be something that made option 1 more effective at leading me to places I might be missing. I suppose a list of the albums that haven't been played recently would be a start (I know I could do that with your plugins!) but it would be a pain if you got the same list every time, because there is probably a good reason why those albums haven't been played! Filtering this list by Genre would be good. Maybe what I want is give me a list of 20 albums from this genre which haven't been played recently and which weren't on the list offered last time I asked this question! Just my 2p worth Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
Erland, My best answer would probably be all of the above. It really depends on the situation, time of day, mood, if I'm alone or with guests, etc. One of the real benefits of the SS/SB setup for me is the amazing flexibility of ways to start and then continue playing music. For me, once you master the slight idiosyncrasies of things like going right and then down a couple of times on a now playing screen to use the current track as a seed for MIP, you can do pretty much whatever you want. Admittedly this sort of methodology does not have a high WAF but that's where pre-defined playlists of stuff I know she likes come in, tied to a favourites button for simplicity. When I do want to search I usually use Lazy Search which allows the neat trick of thinking of a particular tune (I'm a jazz listener) and getting a list of all of the versions I have of that on the system and then playing them all with a couple of button presses - makes for interesting comparisons if you are that way inclined. I would say that making playlists is pretty difficult using SS alone but I have hit on a simple method (on Linux) of using XMMS which enables me to drag and drop flac files out of my music folder onto a list window which can then be easily saved as a Playlist. It will even randomise the list for you before saving. Basically I'm happy with the way things are but of course YMMV. davep -- davep davep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
The main ways I cue music are (in roughly order of priority): 1. Browse New Albums to play music I've just bought/ripped. 2. Dynamic playlist Top Rated (4 or 5 star) using your fantastic TrackStat/DynamicPlaylist/SQLPlaylist combo. 3. Dynamic playlis Unrated (with around 10,000 we are working hard to rate them all and we've almost hit 50%). 4. Lazy Search to find a particular artist/album/track that just sprang to mind. At some point method three should become unnecessary. That pretty much meets all my needs at the moment, so I don't really have any great new suggestions to make. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
I always select music at the time, never choosing random play. I also never use playlists or ratings. I normally use the web interface, 95% of the time. Where my CDs have multiple pieces (classical), I separate them into 'albums' that are each one full piece. I use browse artist for pop, and I'm totally happy with that; I only have about 300 pop albums. However, classical (the majority of my listening) is more cumbersome. I use genres that have the period (baroque/modern etc), scale (chamber, orchestral etc), type (concerto, symphony, quartet), but this only gets me part of the way there. What I would like is a system like the way www.dabs.com works (!): - I choose symphony, and it gives me the choice of selecting submenus (or filters), for example Composer, Period, Orchestra and Conductor, but also gives me the view of albums that fit my selection I'd like a choice of whether to show albums or tracks (I'd always use albums, but others may not) The problem is that I don't think there is enough info in MP3 tags for this. I have multiple values in genre tags, but it doesn't know whether this tag is a period or whatever. I'm sure we could get around this, though. So that's what would do it for me :) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
adamslim;175237 Wrote: What I would like is a system like the way www.dabs.com works (!): - I choose symphony, and it gives me the choice of selecting submenus (or filters), for example Composer, Period, Orchestra and Conductor, but also gives me the view of albums that fit my selection Feel free to add a vote to http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2701 ! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
1. I use SQL Playlists and Trackstat quite a lot. My most common selection method by far is a random dynamic playlist of never played tracks and while I'm listening I will rate the songs and occasionally play a random selection of top rated songs. I also have a selction of SQL playlists which are a bit less general - e.g. Rock music from 1968-74. If I'm in the mood for a particular artist/genre I will use (custom) browse to get to it. Quite often I will hear a song from a random playlist and it will remind me of another song I would like to listen to. To find these I prefer to use Lazy Search, as this seems the quickest way, and insert them into the playlist. I do not use any static playlists. Generally, I like to hear a random selection, sometimes modified by certain criteria, but with the ability to add individual tracks at will. 2. I think the combination of SQL Playlists, Custom Browse/Scan and Trackstat already gives plenty of scope for future ways to listen that I've not yet thought of! I'm also quite intrigued by the LastFM similar artists feature of Custom Scan. It seems to allow a Pandora-like selection from my library. An option to permanently exclude the currently playing artist from a 'similar' playlist would be useful. -- MillmoorRon MillmoorRon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
ceejay;175239 Wrote: Feel free to add a vote to http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2701 ! Ceejay Will be done once I've got the password sorted :) What the feature request doesn't cover is the enhanced data required for the genre tag. If we could have a genre tag as follows: Classical;Period=Classical;Scale=Orchestral;Type=Symphony And SS could be made to parse this and use such data for browsing then I'd be most pleased. Ideally, the data field names would be dynamically created so that the user could control this - i.e. if there is Foo=Bar, then it would create a field named Foo that you could filter on, and this track would be Bar. Do you think this is reasonable and/or possible? Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
adamslim;175255 Wrote: Will be done once I've got the password sorted :) What the feature request doesn't cover is the enhanced data required for the genre tag. If we could have a genre tag as follows: Classical;Period=Classical;Scale=Orchestral;Type=Symphony And SS could be made to parse this and use such data for browsing then I'd be most pleased. Ideally, the data field names would be dynamically created so that the user could control this - i.e. if there is Foo=Bar, then it would create a field named Foo that you could filter on, and this track would be Bar. Do you think this is reasonable and/or possible? Adam Hi Personally I don't like the idea of using either a standard or user-specific fixed sub-genre structure like this. While I have genre values along the lines you suggest I also use values which wouldn't really classify well like that. The multi-level browse I had envisaged would allow you to make a selection on a tag (eg Genre) and then to make another selection on another tag (which could be Genre or something else). That would allow you to filter on Genre=Classical Genre=Romantic Genre=Symphony which would give you the hierarchical search you are thinking of, but would also allow me to filter on Genre=Romantic Genre=Loud Genre=Choral And, of course, to have a Conductor=Karajan in the mix if we felt like it... If some of the defined enhanced data fields you are interested in are something you would want to make much use of, I think that would be better served by using a custom tag for that purpose: we can do that today with one of erland's plugins (thats how I have PERFORMER in use at the moment!) but there are many more ways this could be used - see another of my requests, http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 BTW - not sure what problems you are having with creating a password in bugzilla - you do know it is entirely separate from the forums? Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
Hi, I find the 'drill down' method to be very usefull if one really wants to actively listen to the music. Lately, I have asked a question about obvious bug, where there's the arrow showing by the 'Year' tag, but drill-down doesn't work. But then, I'm thinking that the drill-down might be implemented on any tag where there's a posibility of having multiple items. Title is the first that comes to mind. For example, I'm listening to 'Almost Blue' performed by Diana Krall. Then I ask myself, let's see how does Elvis Costello does the same song (for purely trivia reasons :) ). Then, I'd like to compare it to more classical performance of Billy Holiday. So, drill-down on title would make sense. Then, I want to hear why (or if) is Karajan's vision of Requiem better than other's performances. Drill down on track title or album should be able to take me to the another track with the same name. thks, K -- slimkid slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
ceejay;175266 Wrote: The multi-level browse I had envisaged would allow you to make a selection on a tag (eg Genre) and then to make another selection on another tag (which could be Genre or something else). That would allow you to filter on Genre=Classical Genre=Romantic Genre=Symphony which would give you the hierarchical search you are thinking of, but would also allow me to filter on Genre=Romantic Genre=Loud Genre=Choral And, of course, to have a Conductor=Karajan in the mix if we felt like it... If some of the defined enhanced data fields you are interested in are something you would want to make much use of, I think that would be better served by using a custom tag for that purpose: we can do that today with one of erland's plugins (thats how I have PERFORMER in use at the moment!) but there are many more ways this could be used - see another of my requests, http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 BTW - not sure what problems you are having with creating a password in bugzilla - you do know it is entirely separate from the forums? Ceejay OK, that would be fine for me - as long as it allowed multiple genre selections, I'm cool. It'd also be nice not to have to update my tags again! I'll have a look at erland's plugins in more detail too. It's all so exhausting though - I only finished ripping everything a month ago, tagging works well but is not 100% complete, having to retag the whole lot would do me in!! Bug thing was access to email from work - voted now :) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
