[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album, but NOT always... That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are as one. nick -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
NickM wrote: Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album, but NOT always... And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums. For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo remaster. That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are as one. Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums. For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo remaster. That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are as one. If they are different there is a need to keep them separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in the above example I would name both albums the same, just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important, just make sure that the album name is the same up until the added unique word/words that are added. Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be treated as such. -- D __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Dondi Fusco wrote: If they are different there is a need to keep them separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in the above example I would name both albums the same, just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important, just make sure that the album name is the same up until the added unique word/words that are added. Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be treated as such. Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. :) - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Marc Sherman Wrote: NickM wrote: Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album, but NOT always... And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums. For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo remaster. That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are as one. Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate. I think most people prefer the _browsing_ approach of seeing all the discs and tracks of a multi-disc album in one entry, ordered by disc number, so they set 'Treat multi-disc sets as a single album'. My one problem with 'Treat multi-disc sets as a single album' is that there's then no easy way to play a single CD from the set. Even if there's zero logical significance to disc #2 over disc #1, if you're familiar with the material and the CDs, you may just want to play just disc #2. This is the reason behind the following RFE: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Marc Sherman wrote:... Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate. - Marc Yeah, same here -- particularly with audiobooks, which come on a brazillion CDs. I just set Album to whatever for the whole pile, then manually redo the track numbers as 1-100 instead of 1-12, 1-11, 1-14, c. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture... If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower. -- The Talking Heads ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/17/05, NickM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff, your work around sounds OK - except, I use JR's MediaCenter to rip tag - and for the moment, I can't figure out how to edit the tags that you suggest. Having a quick look up on ID3 formats, I think (someone please correct me if I understood this) that DISC is a standard tag, whereas PARTINSET and TPOS are advanced tags. I try not to use anything but standard tags so that I will be compatible with players of the future... I guess that SlimServer should work with the standard DISC tags? Hi Nick, I think you're right - PARTINSET and TPOS are not standard tags. I'm guessing, but I would be very surprised if other players of the future refused to play your tracks because they didn't recognise all the tags. If you add both DISC and PARTINSET, you should be ok for both scenarios, I would think? At the very least, you could just remove PARTINSET in the future. That said, it would be nice if SlimServer just used the more standard DISC tag :) To answer the question about adding the tags; I'm not familiar with JR's MediaCenter, but you could use MP3Tag for this part of the process; it's free, customisable, and you might find it useful for a bunch of other stuff. If you decide to go that route, let me know if you need any tips. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
TPOS is absolutely a standard tag -- it's DISC that isn't (at least for ID3). See http://www.id3.org/ for more info on these.Ben ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
geoffb Wrote: I think you're right - PARTINSET and TPOS are not standard tags. I'm guessing, but I would be very surprised if other players of the future refused to play your tracks because they didn't recognise all the tags. If you add both DISC and PARTINSET, you should be ok for both scenarios, I would think? At the very least, you could just remove PARTINSET in the future. That said, it would be nice if SlimServer just used the more standard DISC tag :) Maybe we're looking in different places, but id3.org shows TPOS.. and no 'DISC' or PARTINSET'... perhaps your labeller is showing different names than what it actually uses, but id3 v2.3 should be using TPOS. (In fact, id3 field names are always 4 characters... [ignoring version 2.2 where they were 3...]). -- snarlydwarf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/18/05, snarlydwarf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we're looking in different places, but id3.org shows TPOS.. and no 'DISC' or PARTINSET'... perhaps your labeller is showing different names than what it actually uses, but id3 v2.3 should be using TPOS. (In fact, id3 field names are always 4 characters... [ignoring version 2.2 where they were 3...]). Nope, I think you're right and I'm just lazy :) I should have checked the standard list. I'll give it a go with TPOS instead of PARTINSET - it shouldn't be hard to mass-convert the PARTINSET to an equivalent TPOS tag. It's still a shame that this differs from tags (comments) used by Ogg Vorbis / FLAC, but there's obviously nothing to be done about that now. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
I'm with Takashi on this... I have tagged an extensive library (4500+ albums) and when it comes to multidisc sets, I just keep going with the track number. To me, I don't care what disc number it is from. I treat the entire disc set as a single disc and the track numbers are iterative so no matter what player I am playing from, I am sure to not run into the multidisc issue. Example, Eric Clapton's Crossroads box set has many discs... my track numbers start at #01 and go through to #92. I'm not sure what the value is to start over at track one on the second disc. It is the same album. This method has added greater value to my library as well, and just one of those avoided headaches that I don't have to deal with. Just my $.02, -- Dondi __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
cliveb Wrote: FWIW, I agree with Takashi and Caves: forget about the multi-disc format of the original CDs. An album is a single work of art, and the fact that it is split across multiple discs is a consequence of the physical limitations of the CD format. Once transferred to another medium without those limitations (ie. a big hard disk), there's no reason to retain these artificial splits.Not always true. Take Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness as an example. In that case it's like a theatrical two acts show. -- gorman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/15/05, CavesOfTQLT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs fixing without a doubt. -- CavesOfTQLT I found that you need to set PARTINSET (it sounds like TPOS also works) - just setting the DISC and DISCC doesn't work. If it's MP3s that you're talking about, try setting the PARTINSET to 1/3, 2/3, 3/3 etc, and running the latest 6.2. That works for me. I use MP3Tag, and have DISC and DISCC already set in my files. MP3Tag allows me to easily set the PARTINSET to %DISC%/%DISCC% with one click. If you don't have DISC and DISCC set, but do have directory names similar to artist/album/disc 1/file.mp3 or artist/album (disc 1 of 2)/file.mp3 then it's also easy to extract the DISC tag from the filename. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Geoff, your work around sounds OK - except, I use JR's MediaCenter to rip tag - and for the moment, I can't figure out how to edit the tags that you suggest. Having a quick look up on ID3 formats, I think (someone please correct me if I understood this) that DISC is a standard tag, whereas PARTINSET and TPOS are advanced tags. I try not to use anything but standard tags so that I will be compatible with players of the future... I guess that SlimServer should work with the standard DISC tags? nick -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Hrrm... my multidisc things work. I'm using mp3 as the format, but I set 'TPOS' to '1/2' and '2/2' accordingly and Slimserv does the right thing. -- snarlydwarf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs fixing without a doubt. -- CavesOfTQLT ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
* CavesOfTQLT shaped the electrons to say... I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs fixing without a doubt. Are you running the latest 6.2? There have been some fixes to multi-disc handling in the past week. -D -- Adobe Photoshop - When you want the truth. Real bad. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
In example 2, the fact that - 2CD is appended to the album name does not matter and can be omitted. Then the feature suggested works OK for you? nick -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/11/05, NickM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff - you're right (I think), but then so is Takashi. So, how about this for a future FEATURE request:- 1.If the Group Discs setting is checked, -- NickM Hi Nick, Your post was cut off, but in fact, it's working ok for me at the moment. All I have done is add all three tags to all my files, and it works fine. It would be great if this could be standardised to one tag for number of albums, another tag for total number of albums. Also, I think this enhancement would be entirely worthwhile: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1138 Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
NickM Wrote: In example 2, the fact that - 2CD is appended to the album name does not matter and can be omitted. Then the feature suggested works OK for you? nick Nick - I really don't get how this is a feature request, but either way, in your example two, players that don't support discnum will play the albums dovetailed with songs by alphabet probably. What problem exactly are you trying to solve? TL -- takashi37 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Very simple problem Takashi... My albums are named as in Example 2:- 2 CDs both named Buddha Bar IV, with Disc# tag set to 1 or 2 as appropriate for the tracks. And at the moment they play in the wrong order, track1 CD1, track1 CD2, track2 CD1, track2 CD2 etc. (And I do not want to have to go through my entire library re-numbering the track numbers of the second CD in multi disc sets!) nick -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi? -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
* NickM shaped the electrons to say... Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi? Nick - your post got cut-off. Could you resend the previous message? Thanks. -D -- dmercer Because that is what our industry does. Churns out useless shit. Followed by inferior re-implementations of useless shit. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
NickM Wrote: Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi? Frankly, the method I'm using works great for me. I don't have to add CD #'s to the name field which wouldn't be semantically correct. (Not the case w/ your examples 1 and 3) It works for players / services that support track numbers but not disc numbers. (Not the case w/ your example 2) Not sure why I'd consider any other option. TL -- takashi37 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on updating shortly. Cheers Geoff It was a bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly you'll probably find it does what you want. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Richie Wrote: I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on updating shortly. Cheers Geoff It was a bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly you'll probably find it does what you want. Multi-disc sets are no longer being grouped together properly. I just filed this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278 I think some recent fix or another to multi-disc treatment probably caused this bug. -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/11/05, Richie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was a bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly you'll probably find it does what you want. Richard Ok, I installed the latest nightly, and this is the summary of what works (for me): MP3 files need PARTINSET, with a string value of 1/2 or 2/2 etc. I.e., you HAVE to include both the disc number and disc count, separated by a forward-slash. You don't need any other disc count tags. Everything else that I tested (FLAC, OGG) needs both DISCNUMBER (set to the disc number within the set, 1, 2, 3 etc) and DISCC (set to the total number of discs in the set). PARTINSET does no good here. This gives me Violent Femmes (Disc 1 of 2) (2002) Violent Femmes (Disc 2 of 2) (2002) (for both MP3 and OGG / FLAC). Caveats: I don't use any of that wacky single-file-album-with-cue-sheet stuff. Most of my stuff is MP3. I only tested MP3, OGG and FLAC. Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight. Cheers Geoff DISCNUMBER works for me in both flac and mp3. To be honest I've never bothered trying to set the total number of discs, I just want to see the albums listed separately. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
NickM Wrote: Has anyone mananged to get multi discs to list play in the correct order? Yes. I just number the songs in total... So that if I had a two disc set with 10 tracks on each disc, the first disc would have track numbers 1-10 and the second disc would have track numbers for 11-20. Also, I use tag rename to do my tagging and when I get album info from Amazon, this is the default which works out nicely. I also used the DISC tags to do 1/2 and 2/2 so that information is there, but I usually have it set to treat them as one disc anyway. Hope that makes sense. TL -- takashi37 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
The way I do it is to use the actual filenames as the 'sorter'.
So taking a two disc CD set:
CD1 tracks 1 to 10 have filenames; '01-xx.flac','02-xx.flac' to
'10-xx.flac'
and CD2 tracks 1 to 10 have filenames;
'11-xx.flac','12-xx.flac',(...),'20-xx.flac'
The 'track number' tag is still set as the actual track number on the
disc, so track 1 ('11-xx.flac) is 01, track 2 is 02, and so on. All
these 20 tracks are in a folder having the album's name.
I started doing it this way well before I got my SB2 because my MP3
player would also play the songs in the incorrect CD1 track1, CD2
track1, CD1 track2 order. The above way is the way I've used since then
to cure the problem.
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[slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Those two work arounds certainly will work... But, I suppose, I am looking for the perfect solution (!) If an album has the same name for each disc, then whatever the track numbers, or file names, the first sorting criteria should be DISC# from the tag. This would cure the problem for everybody. Anyone think that this ( or lack of it ) is a bug? nick -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Has anyone mananged to get multi discs to list play in the correct order? -- NickM ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Multi-Disc Sets: DISCNAME Tag?
Christian Pernegger said: I know, it's what I'm using at the moment. However, I believe the original poster was referring to cases where there are not only multiple discs in a set but all of them have a title of their own, besides the title of the overall album. [snip] Yes, that is precisely what I was looking for. I think I'll begin encoding using the DISNAME tag and hope that SlimServer someday supports it. Thanks. -- Jason Voegele There is an essential core at the center of each man and woman that remains unaltered no matter how life's externals may be transformed or recombined. But it's smaller than we think. -- Gene Wolfe, The Book of the Long Sun ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi-Disc Sets: DISCNAME Tag?
* Christian Pernegger shaped the electrons to say... ALBUM=Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness DISCNUMBER=1 DISCNAME=Dawn to Dusk ALBUM=Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness DISCNUMBER=2 DISCNAME=Twilight to Starlight I'd have use for such a feature, I just don't know if DISCNAME is the most widely accepted way of doing it. You might want to ask over at www.hydrogenaudio.org forums - if there is a working standards body for tagging it's these guys. DISC and DISCC are what SlimServer recognizes currently. DISC is the number of the DISC in a collection. DISCC is the total number of discs in that collection. If you have both of those, and ALBUM is the same on all the tracks, SlimServer gives you the choice if viewing all of those under one album, or will dynamically show you Album (Disc 1) or Album (Disc 1 of 3). -D -- dr.pox wtf? a garbled dingbat makes java switch to DWIM? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Multi-Disc Sets: DISCNAME Tag?
DISC and DISCC are what SlimServer recognizes currently. DISC is the number of the DISC in a collection. DISCC is the total number of discs in that collection. If you have both of those, and ALBUM is the same on all the tracks, SlimServer gives you the choice if viewing all of those under one album, or will dynamically show you Album (Disc 1) or Album (Disc 1 of 3). I know, it's what I'm using at the moment. However, I believe the original poster was referring to cases where there are not only multiple discs in a set but all of them have a title of their own, besides the title of the overall album. E.g. I have Here And There by Elton John, which consists of discs London and New York, named after the location of the live concert on them. If we could find out what the most widely used tag for this was (probably DISCNAME or DISCTITLE) then slimserver could show: Here And There (Disc 1 - London) Here And There (Disc 1 - New York) in the album list for single mode, and: Here And There for for set mode, as it already does. The track listings would probably have just: ...from Here And There (Disc 1 - New York) in single mode and: ...from Here And There (New York) for set mode. C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
