[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30251 Fixed it in my case. -- wduncan wduncan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
caldvd;159916 Wrote: Another theory is that my system has been on for a week and it just needs to be rebooted. But it worked for days and days and no problems until after I played the internet radio? Try rebooting the router only. I remember reading some posts where there was suspicion this particular router starts to perform poorly after a certain amount of data gets transferred, specifically from the Internet over the WAN port. Again, just a suspicion. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
oreillymj;159901 Wrote: Personally I don't like the idea of turning my house into a Microwave. It'll be interesting to see the long term effects of people living in houses with 2.4Ghz transmitters running 24/7. Eeep. That'd be me. However I have not increased the signal strength beyond the default 28 mW. That's 28 *MILLI*Watts spread over my entire house. The amount of energy actually reaching me at any point in time is very, very small. It's no stretch to say you get much more energy from cosmic rays. Also note that microwave radiation is non-ionizing. It can't damage DNA. Instead it will cause thermal burns due to its strong interaction with water molecules if it's intense enough (microwave oven). 'Course microwave ovens use hundreds or thousands of Watts and use special techniques to concentrate the radiation. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
See: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4384 I was also using 6.5 without this problem until I upgraded to the 12/1 nightly build to fix another problem. So I wouldn't waste a lot of time fixing your network until this bug is fixed. -- wduncan wduncan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
wduncan;160266 Wrote: See: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4384 I was also using 6.5 without this problem until I upgraded to the 12/1 nightly build to fix another problem. So I wouldn't waste a lot of time fixing your network until this bug is fixed. I wish this were the case, however, this bug happens to address Softsqueeze, and not SqueezeBox. It also deals with FLAC files, and clipping at the end of a file. My problem is that after playing local files, then switching to internet radio, and then switching back to local files, it is as if SlimServer or Squeezebox thinks it is still streaming from the internet and does not buffer properly. Again, this is only a theory, but I have yet to hear anyone absolutely squash this theory. Yes, rebooting the router may also do the trick. After I rebooted the system, all is well with the local files. I have not yet tried to test it yet, because, I'd actually like to just listen for a while before rebooting again. I will test it again soon and post my results. Thanks for all the support and great help! Oh yea, and I'm running my microwave on quick-defrost from now on so I don't boil my body :-0 -- caldvd caldvd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
it's so aggrivating... I'll keep fooling with it too, but you shouldn't have to be a techie to listen to your music... -- wduncan wduncan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
caldvd;160295 Wrote: I wish this were the case, however, this bug happens to address Softsqueeze, and not SqueezeBox. It also deals with FLAC files, and clipping at the end of a file. Read it again--it affects the SB3 as well, and basically, any MP3 stream, or FLAC transcoded to MP3 stream, and I suspect just about anything transcoded to MP3. -- M3Rocket M3Rocket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
That way you can turn up the transmit power and overwhelm your rivals. Personally I don't like the idea of turning my house into a Microwave. It'll be interesting to see the long term effects of people living in houses with 2.4Ghz transmitters running 24/7. When I go back to my local music, again I get problems with the buffering. It will not load the whole song unless I wave the squeezbox in the air. It just stops at 4%, then goes up to 10%, and then to 16%, and then to 14%, and then to 10%then at the next song, stuttering. I'm getting loads of signal now too, at least 65% to 70% at all times. There's definitely some source of interference in your neighbourhood or else some sort of router bug. what make did you say you had? Also, I lost my tray icon. Usually, I get rid of these things, but I actually liked this one because it told me the state of the server (running, stopped, etc.) and I don't of any other way of checking the status. How ironic. I'm sure there is a way to get this back and even though I RTFM, I can't seem to find it. Look for the Slimserver item in the Windows Startup Group in your start menu. Either that or Windows has decided that the icon is inactive and hidden it. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
Hi, There's definitely some source of interference in your neighbourhood or else some sort of router bug. what make did you say you had? I've got a D-Link DI-524. Firmware is up to date. I have a theory that after I'm done playing the internet radio, the SlimServer doesn't revert to the buffering method that it uses for local music. So it still trys to buffer using the same method as it would if it was only playing a streaming file. Why these should be different, I don't know, but it seems possible. Another theory is that my system has been on for a week and it just needs to be rebooted. But it worked for days and days and no problems until after I played the internet radio? Look for the Slimserver item in the Windows Startup Group in your start menu. Either that or Windows has decided that the icon is inactive and hidden it. Slimserver Tray Tool is in Windows Startup Group. BTW, I turn off all that hiding business. -- caldvd caldvd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
I purchased a 7db omni-directional indoor antenna. I get down to playing my music from my local machine (not internet radio). I fired up a playlist and it played and played no stuttering. I played all sorts of local random mixes for many many many hours and no stuttering. I'm standing there for hours watching in amazement at the buffer fills up with such speed. Fills up to 100% in like 3 seconds as the previous song is ending. I am in Squeezbox heaven. A few days go by, and I decide that my music is boring me. I turn to the fabulous SomaFM Groove Salad. I play and listen buffer steady at 10seconds (even though I tell it to buffer for 20) and it doesn't drop below 6 seconds of buffer. I listen to internet radio for a day. Turn the box off at night, listen to the radio again the next day, change a bunch of stations, absolutely perfect. I'm so glad I got that antenna. When I go back to my local music, again I get problems with the buffering. It will not load the whole song unless I wave the squeezbox in the air. It just stops at 4%, then goes up to 10%, and then to 16%, and then to 14%, and then to 10%then at the next song, stuttering. I'm getting loads of signal now too, at least 65% to 70% at all times. I'm running 6.5.1 - 10751 Windows XP EN cp1252 Also, I lost my tray icon. Usually, I get rid of these things, but I actually liked this one because it told me the state of the server (running, stopped, etc.) and I don't of any other way of checking the status. How ironic. I'm sure there is a way to get this back and even though I RTFM, I can't seem to find it. A neural transceiver is required for maximum communication, we will work as one mind. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. caldvd -- caldvd caldvd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
Precisely. I wish the 802.11g standard had included auto-channel switching. Our local telephone/broadband supplier gives out their routers on channel 11 with a cryptic SSID. What are you supposed to do, knock on all your neighbours doors and ask them to switch channel? 802.11n will only make this worse as it hogs 2 channels. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
Perhaps it varies by vendor. My experience of everything I've bought is that it was set to channel 11 when powered on. Channels 1, 6 11 are completely non-overlapping. So if you're seeing por signal strength on channel 11, it worth switching to 6 or 1. If you have a wireless laptop, it's worth installing and running NetStumbler to see what other networks are in operation around you. I used to have a jpeg showing what nearby channels overlapped each other but cannot find it now. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
oreillymj;157766 Wrote: I used to have a jpeg showing what nearby channels overlapped each other but cannot find it now. Something like this? http://technet2.microsoft.com/QueryWS/GetOpenContent.aspx?assetID=87018765-a919-4f94-99d8-999c34c737eeDocumentSet=en-USRenderKey=XML from http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/library/b064b275-604f-43e8-a699-cb8e4676874f1033.mspx?mfr=true -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
BTW - Before doing anything else, I would look at changing the wireless channel on your router. All of these wireless routers default to channel 11, so it's likely that any routers nearby are affecting your signal strength. Just changing to channel 1 can move your signal far enough out of range of noise caused by your neighbours. You might need to re-config the SB3, but it's worth a try. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
oreillymj;157589 Wrote: All of these wireless routers default to channel 11, so it's likely that any routers nearby are affecting your signal strength. Shouldn't that be channel 6? Maybe it's different in your region. Anyway it is outlined in the link I provided: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?NetworkProblemsSecondGuide -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
My router used to default to 11, however, when I updated the firmware (which had a date of Oct. 2006), it now says ch. 6. I could try changing it to one as well. I ordered a D-Link (ANT24-0700) 2.4GHz Omni-Directional 7dBi Indoor Antenna for $16.00 after rebate on Amazon ( + free shipping). I put the SB3 up higher (on top of the center speaker) which seems to help. And, I repositioned the standard antenna to point towards the SB3. So far, it has been playing all day with only one stuttering moment, and I was standing there watching it and again it was hung up between songs (would not load the next song w/ out stuttering). At that point to get it going I waved it in the air, which worked, and decided to put it up higher on the center speaker. Since then, maybe 4 or 5 hours no stuttering. But perhaps the humidity is low today? One more question: If I go hardwired, am I guaranteed to never, ever, have stuttering? Thanks, tek -- caldvd caldvd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
caldvd;157661 Wrote: One more question: If I go hardwired, am I guaranteed to never, ever, have stuttering? Never say never, but as long as the wires are in good condition, you will never get stuttering caused by low bandwidth. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
caldvd;157442 Wrote: Why should it not at least load the first xx seconds of the next song as the buffer starts to empty from the prior song that is is playing? It does, at least for me. The track will empty towards the end of the song, then refill as fast as it can for the next song. The problem in your case is, it may not be able to take much advantage of extra buffer. Your signal strength is marginal at best. If you're having this problem with MP3s, FLACs don't have a hope. In order to fill the buffer, the bandwidth needs to be higher than the playback bitrate. It does not appear to be all that much faster in your case. Because your signal strength is marginal, certain things can upset it to the point that stuttering can occur. Microwave ovens, cordless phones, other wireless networks, even high humidity can all drop the signal strength and bandwidth. On Thanksgiving, all your neigbors were home, using their wireless networks, their cordless phones and their microwave ovens. Your house was full of people doing much the same things and there was a turkey in the oven, increasing the humidity in the air. It may sound silly, but things like that can actually screw up wireless networks. While wireless extenders increase the apparent signal strength, they drop the bandwidth because they introduce another wireless hop. It would be better if you were to get a high-gain antenna for your router. BTW your server isn't wireless too, is it? That would be the first thing to tackle if you're having wireless bandwidth issues - wire the server to the router. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
Mark Lanctot;157443 Wrote: It does, at least for me. The track will empty towards the end of the song, then refill as fast as it can for the next song. It does work like this when it is working, but appears to only work correctly for about 2 to 10 songs, at which point it stops at the end of every song and does not buffer unless I wave the SB3 unit in the air (looking quite silly, I must add). Mark Lanctot;157443 Wrote: While wireless extenders increase the apparent signal strength, they drop the bandwidth because they introduce another wireless hop. It would be better if you were to get a high-gain antenna for your router. Great, thank you for this insight. I will not rush out to buy the range extender. Actually it was reccomended that I get the antenna for the router by one of my family members. Is there a reccomended or ideal antenna model or spec? Mark Lanctot;157443 Wrote: BTW your server isn't wireless too, is it? That would be the first thing to tackle if you're having wireless bandwidth issues - wire the server to the router. Server is wired to the router. :-) Thank you so much for your fast response. I look forward to posting my results after intalling the antenna. tek -- caldvd caldvd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
caldvd;157444 Wrote: Great, thank you for this insight. I will not rush out to buy the range extender. Actually it was reccomended that I get the antenna for the router by one of my family members. Is there a reccomended or ideal antenna model or spec? I've never had to use one before. Make sure your router is compatible with it - I believe reverse SMA connectors are standard. They look like small TV cable connectors. I think antennas are rated in terms of gain in dB. I remember hearing about 5 dB antennas? BTW apparently they do not increase the strength in a 360-degree field, what they do is concentrate the existing signal, making it more directional but stronger in a cone extending upwards of the antenna. So adjust the antenna's position carefully. Alternately, there are directional antennas that look like little satellite dishes that can beam the signal at high strength to one particular location. They are easier to aim than regular antennas and may be better at keeping neighbors out of your wireless network since the signal outside of the beam will be much weaker. Unfortunately this approach makes things harder if you have a wireless laptop that also needs access, unless the wireless laptop is in the same area as the SB3. BTW you may also want to try the antenna positioning tips and channel changing tips outlined here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?NetworkProblemsSecondGuide Excuse me, I'm just picturing you waving the SB3 in the air. :-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, crossfade, Buffer empties and doesn't fill up
BTW check out this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29793 particularly SuperQ's two posts on high-gain antennae and their radiation patterns. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30029 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
I get the delayed write messages too on softsqueeze. But I also hear the stutter on my squeezebox. 61663296 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=718ms bufferedData=556ms 61664031 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=16ms writeTook=719ms bufferedData=549ms 61682140 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=734ms bufferedData=583ms 61682187 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG javasound - gain=0.576293945312 replayGain=1.0 dB=-6.0204673 max=6.0206 61682250 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG javasound - new decoder. ptr=108855296 61682250 [AudioStream-42] DEBUG javasound - audio stream started 61682359 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG javasound - conversion required for MPEG1L3 44100.0 Hz, unknown bits per sample, stereo, unknown frame size, unknown frame rate, [javax.sound.sampled.AudioFormat] 61682359 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG javasound - CONVERSION PROVIDER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61682359 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG javasound - gain=0.576293945312 replayGain=1.0 dB=-6.0204673 max=6.0206 61682359 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decoder started 61682359 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=3512320 fillLen=4096 slowStart 4096 61682375 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=3516416 fillLen=8192 slowStart 8192 61682375 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=3524608 fillLen=16384 slowStart 16384 61682875 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=735ms bufferedData=578ms 61683609 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=734ms bufferedData=567ms 61683609 [AudioDecoder-41] DEBUG javasound - decoder stopped 61683609 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=3478016 fillLen=32768 slowStart 32768 61683609 [AudioDecoder-42] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=3510784 fillLen=65536 slowStart 65536 61684343 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=734ms bufferedData=561ms -- jarome jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering
radphd;150788 Wrote: Using SB3 and Slimserver 6.5.0 with an Intel Mac with iTunes I get unlistenable stuttering when playing files ripped in aiff, apple lossless and AAC formats. With MP3 files this happens much less frequently. This makes no sense to me, but then I am new user and pretty ignorant technologically. Can anyone provide insight into what might be going on along with a fix? Thanks. I had the same problem for a while and found it was due to SlimServer re-scanning all the time because iTunes updates its database whenever someone uses it to play music (it updates how many times a track is played for example). Make sure that the iTunes page in server set-up has the re-scan when iTunes changes disabled and do it manually instead when you add new music. The other issue may well be wireless bandwidth - assuming you are runnign wireless of course. Are you running with a decent signal and speed - and is your router 802.11g (not just b)? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering
I have two problems with AAC/AIFF/WAv = 1 it wont run for me from an external drive and 2. it is reluctant to run wirelesslybut it should. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24390 Are you in either of these groups? -- ajmitchell Last FM: http://www.last.fm/user/ajmitchell/ ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering
Two differences might be relevant. First, the apple formats need to be transcoded on the server to something that the SB understands, whereas the mp3 doesn't. If you have severe server loading problems, or a faulty software installation of quicktime for example, you might see these symptoms. Second, the mp3 will be at a much lower bitrate than the lossless formats, and possibly the AACs depending on your ripping sessions. If you are running wirelessly and have interference from somewhere, you mayvery well get stuttering on low bit rate sources but not on high ones. My money's on the second one. Try a different wireless channel. HTH Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
The network test plugin will give you an idea of what your usable bandwidth is. In terms of the conversion page, you are selecting which formats/conversions are available for use. Which one is actually used depends on the source file format and the type of player. Each player has a preference order for formats (for SB3 I think it's FLAC, WAV, WMA, OGG, MP3) - the server either sends the file as-is if that's possible, or otherwise finds the transcoding path which ends up with the highest preference file type. So streaming FLAC will always send FLAC if you have FLAC/FLAC (built-in) selected. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
I have exactly the same problem (see my other post)... signal strenght at 100% at 5000, yet my buffer is always empty :( and most of my files are stuttering (even mp3). Is there any way to tinker with the buffer settings? -- lordhong lordhong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
Much the same here - Wireless signal strength runs at around 90%, network test shows 99+% at 4000, yet I get spells of stuttering. :( -- peterbell peterbell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7314 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
In the latter case this could be lack of server CPU resources. NetTest overreads if it runs out of server cpu power. [5000 is too high for a wireless connection to a real squeezebox!] Enable the server performance monitoring (Server and Network Health section of Help on web front page) and leave on for a while while you are playing tracks. Then post the output of the response time graph. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
radish;146392 Wrote: The network test plugin will give you an idea of what your usable bandwidth is. It might, if only I could see it for long enough! When I run any of the Network tests, I get a very brief view of a page that includes an empty graph, and then the main test page reloads on top of it! Perhaps I should try it in a different theme (I'm using Fishbone)... ah, no: it works OK in IE, but not in Firefox (damn!) I've been running the 5000kbps test for several minutes now, and it's averaging 99.6%, with a minimum of 82%. Of course, I don't know what the figures would have been last night, when the stuttering was happening. (I've not been playing flac files today, by chance.) Now I know how to run the tests, I'll be ready to do them next time stuttering starts. Oh, and thanks for the explanation. Sounds like FLAC should be FLAC, etc. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
Triode;146443 Wrote: In the latter case this could be lack of server CPU resources. NetTest overreads if it runs out of server cpu power. [5000 is too high for a wireless connection to a real squeezebox!] Enable the server performance monitoring (Server and Network Health section of Help on web front page) and leave on for a while while you are playing tracks. Then post the output of the response time graph. ... and your response appeared when I posted my last! I've been playing FLAC files for about 20 minutes now, with server performance monitoring on. At the moment, the graph looks like this: Server Response Time The response time of the server - the time between successive calls to select. 0.002 :82375 : 96% ### 0.005 : 2467 : 3% # 0.01 : 255 : 0% 0.015 : 172 : 0% 0.025 : 395 : 0% 0.05 : 246 : 0% 0.1 : 278 : 0% 0.5 : 29 : 0% 1 :4 : 0% 5 :1 : 0% =5 :0 : 0% max : 1.138204 min : 0.27 avg : 0.000847 (I forgot to reset the counters, so this probably includes figures from during the network test as well; but I don't think they've been monotonically decreasing since I started looking.) No stuttering, even when I started doing other things on the PC (transcoding, downloading). However, just as I returned downstairs, my wife said that the SB display had gone blank! The current track was still playing. I hit Now Playing on the remote, and the SB said it couldn't connect. I've seen this before on power-on; I pressed left (which showed me the IP address of the PC), then right, and it connected OK. THe current track finished, and playback stopped instead of going on to the next track. When I hit play, it started playing the track that had just finished. Hit next, and all was well. *Then* I started this message, and pasted the current server stats. Odd! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
That doesn't look too bad, though it would be good to see with the stats reset to 0 first. If you get persitent readings over 0.5 seconds then this could cause stuttering. In this case its worth enabling logging of events which take over 0.5 seconds [go to bottom of page and put 0.5 in the High box nxt to Set All and press Set All. Leave running for a while whilst playing and then look at the server log - does it show any warnings about response times? Alternative, itts possible you have something that causes short bursts of wireless interference - so that nettest normally runs OK, but would drop for a second during the interference. To see this start nettest from the server web interface and look at the graph - do you see any readings below 90% if left to run for an hour or so? -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering, and the File Types page
It's been playing flacs for a couple of hours now, and here's the response time graph (reset at the start): 0.002 :78859 : 89% 0.005 : 6360 : 7% ### 0.01 : 272 : 0% 0.015 : 1254 : 1% 0.025 : 357 : 0% 0.05 : 216 : 0% 0.1 : 1249 : 1% 0.5 : 31 : 0% 1 :3 : 0% 5 :2 : 0% =5 :0 : 0% max : 2.712229 min : 0.27 avg : 0.001738 This is probably more realistic. There have been a few 0.5 responses; I think most of these happened when I replaced the current playlist with another album. No sign of stuttering or low buffer (except at track ends, of course); but I've not been listening for the last hour or so (shame!) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
I have also experienced this on several different machines and installations. Currently I have the slimserver.deb of slimserver 6.5 insatlled onto Ubuntu Dapper on a P4 2.4G with 1gig of ram running Softsqueeze 3.2.1 locally. Since the connection is localhost I cannot understand how this could be a network issue as seems to be most commonly suspected. I could be wrong, though. As I say this seems to happen on every single machine I install to no matter the version of server or softsqueeze. I think I did overcome this at some point with squeezeslave on windows but I think there were other issues with squeezeslave so I abandoned that. I've upped squeezeslave's buffer from 128000 to 628000 but now I'm getting more interrrupts. Here's some debug output that corresponds to the interrupts: 2168 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG player - autostart: fullness=1015808 threshold=261120 2169 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG player - start: state 2 2169 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG javasound - play line inState=0 2170 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - audio mixer playing available=4096 2170 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG player - status=STMs fullness=1007616 bytesRx=1015808 elapsedSeconds=0 2170 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - gain=1.0 replayGain=1.0 dB=0.0 max=6.0206 2171 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - playFrame: fill buffer. available=61440 lineSize=65536 fillLen=4096 bw=4096 slowStart=4096 2197 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=0 fillLen=8192 slowStart 8192 2199 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - playFrame: fill buffer. available=57344 lineSize=65536 fillLen=8192 bw=8192 slowStart=8192 2200 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=0 fillLen=16384 slowStart 16384 2204 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=0 fillLen=32768 slowStart 32768 2210 [AudioDecoder-3] DEBUG javasound - decodeFrame: fill buffer. available=32768 fillLen=65536 slowStart 65536 2223 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - playFrame: fill buffer. available=45056 lineSize=65536 fillLen=16384 bw=16384 slowStart=16384 2224 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - playFrame: fill buffer. available=12556 lineSize=65536 fillLen=32768 bw=32768 slowStart=32768 12892 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=89ms writeTook=1271ms bufferedData=278ms 75478 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=802ms bufferedData=368ms 112922 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=980ms bufferedData=329ms 271592 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=65ms writeTook=1574ms bufferedData=207ms 303325 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=697ms bufferedData=370ms 334826 [AudioMixer-0] DEBUG javasound - Detected delay writing to audio buffer readTook=0ms writeTook=1293ms bufferedData=327ms -- curly curly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
My tracks are all mp3s, so what are they being transcoded to? It also stutters on my softsqueeze via my hardwired 100 Mbps network, so I doubt it is the network also. -- jarome jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
On 10/8/06, jarome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My tracks are all mp3s, so what are they being transcoded to?It also stutters on my softsqueeze via my hardwired 100 Mbps network, so I doubt it is the network also.So it wasn't one of the FAQs... have you looked at the log file? Got any plugins?-- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
Lots of log file and a bunch of plugins. But the plugins should not do anything when I play a CD. I have alien BBC, XM, WeatherTime, and the ones that came with it. I also tried Transitions, but it made no difference. treaming: Launching /usr/bin/mplayer -really-quiet -vc null -vo null -bandwidth 1000 -cache 128 -af volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -ao pcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3 rtsp://red-cedar.wkar.msu.edu/encoder/wkarfm.rm MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.0 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz (Family: 15, Model: 0, Stepping: 7) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled with runtime CPU detection. mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: Connection refused File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) Character set '#33' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) Character set '#33' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) Character set '#33' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file 2006-10-08 00:01:08.4158 About to look for files in /data1/music 2006-10-08 00:01:08.4183 For files with extensions in: [(?i-xsm:\.(?:ape|wma|shn|wav|wave|mp3|mp2|flc|flac|m4a|mov|m4b|mp4|mp+|mpc|ogg|aif|aiff|cue)$)] 2006-10-08 00:01:24.9465 About to look for files in /data1/playlists 2006-10-08 00:01:24.9493 For files with extensions in: [(?i-xsm:\.(?:asf|wax|asx|lnk|wpl|m3u|pls|xspf|cue)$)] 2006-10-08 11:08:56.3476 Weather::Cached: ERROR No response from weather server while loading data: ERROR While getting resource: http://xoap.weather.com/weather/local/USTN0370?unit=sprod=xoappar=1026799434key=6b171a8f5a69c3f6 : 500 Can't connect to xoap.weather.com:80 (connect: timeout) -- jarome jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stuttering at the start of each track
On 10/8/06, jarome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of log file and a bunch of plugins. But the plugins should not doanything when I play a CD. I have alien BBC, XM, WeatherTime, and the ones that came with it. Ialso tried Transitions, but it made no difference.treaming: Launching /usr/bin/mplayer -really-quiet -vc null -vo null-bandwidth 1000 -cache 128 -af volume=0,resample=44100:0:1,channels=2 -aopcm:nowaveheader:file=/dev/fd/3rtsp://red-cedar.wkar.msu.edu/encoder/wkarfm.rmMPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.0 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer TeamCPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz (Family: 15, Model: 0, Stepping:7)CPUflags:MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1Compiled with runtime CPU detection. mplayer: could not connect to socketmplayer: Connection refusedAlienBBC is asking mplayer to transcode this RealAudio stream, and it's having issues. I don't use AlienBBC much, so you'll probably have the best luck asking the Alien guys directly on the Plugins list. The rest of that log is ignorable noise. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
Yes, I am running 11g. Now done some other things + Changed the background services - no change + The reponse from the SB remote is very poor..unusable really + NetTest suggests 64 kbs fine, but others not so good + My PC seems to be intermittently losing the net connection, plus the performance/response can be poor from time to time + Sotried SqueezeNetwork - works fine...including remote control response. I guess I may have PC issues - anyone suggest some performance analysis s/w for my PC (Win XP)? -- DougP DougP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2134 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
If nettest shows poor performance above 64k I would suspect the network connection to the PC not the PC itself. Look at the different network paths taken from Sqeezebox to the internet vs to your PC. Could you try a wired ethernet connection to the PC as a test? -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
Not really - I am considering Devlo /Homeplug to use the electric ciruit to wire the SB, but... why would SqueezeNetwork work fine? Surely it is over the same LAN? -- DougP DougP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2134 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
How is your PC connected to the network? If it is wirelessly, then you will lose bandwidth as the music has to travel from the computer to the router and then on to the Squeezebox. If wired, it might be something as simple as a dodgy ethernet cable. Is internet access from the PC reliable? -- the_twin the_twin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5324 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
Yep, PC is wired to a Linksys WAG54G - the internet connection seems fine, although after some tests pages occasionally load slowly (blank page for 2-4 secs, then content appears). Guess the router could be the issue? Firmware is 2 years old, but I have had trouble locating recent versions... -- DougP DougP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2134 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
Also remember that streaming from SN is using much less bandwidth than FLAC from your local SS. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
DougP Wrote: and the weird thing - mp3 plays fine, FLAC does not. I have 16000 FLAC files so a bit of a prob there..! The SB2 buffer refuses to go over 10% with FLAC but happily does with mp3... Not weird at all, exactly what I'd expect to see if bandwidth is constrained. MP3 is much lower bitrate than FLAC, so for a given delivery rate (above the MP3 bitrate but below the FLAC one) the buffer will eventually fill playing MP3 but will continually empty playing FLAC. So, anyone seen this - is this really a network issue? Could it be a firmware/codec issue? Almost certainly network. But use the network diagnosis plugin to confirm. Seeing as you have a high signal strength and you say you're not on an overlapping channel, it's probably interference from a non-network device like a phone, light or microwave. I'm assuming you're running 11g not b? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering - again...
I have had this problem - have you tried the following; By default, Windows doesn't give high priority to services and the SlimServer software sometimes needs a fair amount of CPU. To work around this, open your Control Panels, and then open the System control panel. On the Advanced tab, find the Performance section and click on Settings. On the Advanced tab, choose Backround Services under Processor Scheduling. Click OK and the SlimServer software will now get more CPU cycles and perform better. The link is at; http://faq.slimdevices.com/index.php?action=artikelcat=2id=102artlang=en -- stevo stevo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6250 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25290 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering at the biginning of songs, and delay in display updating
I experience similar behaviour on my setup which is a Squeezebox2 and Slimserver 6.2.1 running on an HG linkstation (266MHz processor with 128Mbytes RAM) I generally only see it on random play. I would assume the problem is that at the start of each song while the buffer is filling, slimserver may be too busy worrying about what song to place on the playlist next, and we get a buffer underrun. I'd also assumed it was down to the relatively low processor power of the Linkstation though I have also been pretty impressed at what it can do... I don't know if there's any setting anywhere which allows the user to set a minimum ammount by which the buffer must be full at the start of the song before the music is allowed to start? Paul. -- PaulR PaulR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22792 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering at the biginning of songs, and delay in display updating
I had the same problem with an SB3, SlimServer 6.2.1, firmware v 28. The SlimServer is on an Infrant Ready-NAS X6 box, hard-wired ethernet connected to a wireless router. The SB3 is networked over wireless. I am fairly certain this is a wireless-related problem, as when I switched from channel 1 to channel 11 the problem improved dramatically (from happening almost every time a new song came up in random mode, to happening very rarely). Try changing your wireless channel a few times and see if it makes a difference. This could be related to some of the wireless issues Slim is trying to work out in the firmware. It is also possible that the SB3 could employ a smarter buffering/play algorithm, but perhaps working out the wireless problems will make this moot. Good luck. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22792 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
