Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Hi, I'm glad to see that others are also annoyed by the new behavior. In my opinion, this is a bug and not a feature. My SB3 is powered on when I switch on my power supply. But when I don't start the Squeezecenter, I want it to go to sleep immediately. Greetings. -- eyeball eyeball's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
grum;341576 Wrote: I agree (strongly) that this needs to be fixed. But please don't introduce more controversy by (talking about) doing something involving automatically issuing a WOL packet when the SB has power applied. If I want my server to wake up, I'll organise that myself thanks, and using the Power button on the remote is a fine way to do it (so good in fact that I often use the SB remote to wake my server, even for non-music related purposes). When my SB has power applied, I'm happy for it to do something sensible like look for a SC server and tell me the outcome, but then it can stand by quietly until I give it a command. I can understand wanting to be able to repeat the look for a SC server, tell me the outcome process for debugging network problems etc, but please don't assume I want that to happen endlessly every time the SB gets power. Surely a button press on the remote, or setting into a diagnostic mode, is appropriate for this? I voted for the bug (9477) grum You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I agree (strongly) that this needs to be fixed. But please don't introduce more controversy by (talking about) doing something involving automatically issuing a WOL packet when the SB powers on. If I want my server to wake up, I'll tell it myself thanks, and using the Power button on the remote is a fine way to do that (so good in fact that I often use the SB remote to wake my server, even for non-music related purposes). And when my SB is powered on (ie power applied), I want it to do something sensible like look for a SC server, tell me the outcome, and then shut up and sit down quietly until I give it a command. I can understand wanting to be able to repeat the look for a SC server, tell me the outcome process for debugging network problems etc, but please don't assume I want that to happen automatically every time the SB gets power. Surely a button press on the remote is appropriate for this? I voted for the bug (9477) grum -- grum grum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17720 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
jan80;340190 Wrote: So this bug report is not about the WOL package, but just about what the SB does, when there's no server reachable. In the former versions, the message appeared one time and then the screen got blank. Pressing any key on the remote gave you the configuration screen and the error message. Im my opinion this was perfect behaviour. jan Couldn't agree more... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
MikeWynneDub;338944 Wrote: Hi, My SB3 has developed a really annoying issue (since 7.2), here's what happens... I normally power off all my AV stuff when I'm not using it and suspend the SC computer. Formerly, when I'd power on the AV gear the SB3 would show the Logitech/Squeezebox logos, attempt to gain a network network connection, promptly give up and settle into a blank screen mode. Currently, the SB3 powers up and goes into an infinite loop of trying to connect to the (suspended) SC server. It's cracking my GF (and me) up this constant distracting scrolling on the SB3 (message something like 'Can't connect to squeeze center..., Left to set up...). When I revive the suspended PC the problem disappears (SB just shows date/time) I've tried playing around with the Power On Resume settings under SettingsPlayer but nothing seems to help. Am I missing something dead obvious? Any help very much appreciated... Thanks System: SC 7.2-22900 on Ubuntu 8.04 @jan80: The behaviour described by the OP would be fixed by a WOL on power-up/reset. It is entirely logical that one would want to this to happen since many (most?) people have their server a long way away from their SB's and possibly even on a seperate mains circuit. Therefore, the SB circuit may trip-out even if the server one doesn't. In this scenario, the server will go to sleep - assuming it is set to do so. If power is then restored, a WOL would wake up the sleeping server. The server will then sleep again shortly afterwards if the SB is not used (say you are asleep or out). If you power-up an SB it seems reasonable that you want to use the server. If you don't actually use it, they will all sleep again. In the use-case where you don't want the server to wake up at all when powering-up the SB, then turn it OFF - don't leave it in sleep mode. PC's in sleep mode can be awoken by various events, not just WOL. Phil PS I voted for the bug. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Phil Leigh;340141 Wrote: @jan80: The behaviour described by the OP would be fixed by a WOL on power-up/reset. Sorry, I probably misunderstood the original posting. Phil Leigh;340141 Wrote: If you power-up an SB it seems reasonable that you want to use the server. If you don't actually use it, they will all sleep again. In the use-case where you don't want the server to wake up at all when powering-up the SB, then turn it OFF - don't leave it in sleep mode. PC's in sleep mode can be awoken by various events, not just WOL. Ok, let me clarify my point here (last time, I promise ;-) ): Setup: - The SB is connected to my AV stuff like Amp, CD-Player, Video. - The AV stuff has an AC switch to power everything off, at night or when no one is home. - The server is located somewhere else, connected to another main AC switch with the other PC stuff. It doesn't support WOL or suspend (its an embedded Linux system). I could imagine, that this is not such an uncommon setup. The problem with this setup is, that when you power on the AV circuit the SB will consequently also be powered on. It will start searching for the server and start complaining with that scrolling message, if the PC circuit isn't powered on. This is a common situation, because I don't have the PC circuit powered on, when I just want to listen CD or watch tv. A WOL package doesn't help here, because the PC running the SC isn't even powered on (and doesn't support WOL in my case). So this bug report is not about the WOL package, but just about what the SB does, when there's no server reachable. In the former versions, the message appeared one time and then the screen got blank. Pressing any key on the remote gave you the configuration screen and the error message. Im my opinion this was perfect behaviour. jan -- jan80 jan80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I'd be happy enough for the message to only appear once - AND for the WOL! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Happy to see that I am not the only... See also my post here http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52350 and please vote for the bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9474 The solution is SO easy (either revert last changes or issue a WOL packet); I really can't believe Logitech will stick to this REALLY ANNOYING behaviour. -- feelfree feelfree's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I agree - the devices should issue a WOL on power-up/reset. There's no harm in it and it will help some people without causing issues for anyone else. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Phil Leigh;339946 Wrote: I agree - the devices should issue a WOL on power-up/reset. There's no harm in it and it will help some people without causing issues for anyone else. Sorry, but I don't see that this is related to the issue we are discussing here. I don't want the SB to power up the server. I just want to get rid that scrolling message. I filed a bug report about this: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9477 (I didn't noticed that there had already been a similar bug report on this...) -- jan80 jan80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
jan80;340023 Wrote: Sorry, but I don't see that this is related to the issue we are discussing here. I don't want the SB to power up the server. I just want to get rid that scrolling message. Yes, but if a WOL packet was sent then everyone could be happy, because if your server is set to suspend after 15 minutes of inactivity then you will find that you just get the idle screen saver for 15 minutes and then the server will sleep, so no blinking messages. If the server is not reachable or doesn't respond to the WOL packet, then you will see the annoying message, but quite rightly so... something is wrong. I can see why the folks at Slim Devices wanted to get rid of the blank screen due to the difficulty of diagnosing issues for customers, but they forgot (or ignored) that this may be a regular use case. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Mnyb;339527 Wrote: This does not happen to a completely powered of server ? at least not for me on 7.3 ? Does it make a difference if you have an alarm pending ? Or pause the player ? Or Stop the player ? Haven't had the pleasure (or otherwise) of running 7.3 so maybe it's been 'fixed' in that version... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
jan80;339446 Wrote: Ok, thanks for the suggestion. But this is no solution fpr me, because I don't have internet switched on all the time. Isn't it possible to configure this behaviour somehow? My feeling is, it should be ;-) Totally agree... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Hi there The behavior has been changed to help setting up the device and not only show an dark display without clue what went wrong. If a device has connected successfully to SC (SN) and then SC is turned off the display goes blank after 10 seconds. It only happens after a reboot of SB3 (or reset) until it has connected successfully once to a SC (SN). Felix BTW: This behavior is not configurable. Sorry. -- fcm4711 Everyone said: This cannot be done. But one day someone came along who didn't know about this - and did it. (Source unknown) fcm4711's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Hi Felix, fcm4711;339692 Wrote: The behavior has been changed to help setting up the device and not only show an dark display without clue what went wrong. In the former versions, you'd just have to press a key on the remote to get that screen. I don't think it's difficult to figure that out, even for a total newbie. If a device has connected successfully to SC (SN) and then SC is turned off the display goes blank after 10 seconds. It only happens after a reboot of SB3 (or reset) until it has connected successfully once to a SC (SN). Well, obviously this also happens after power on (which is probably the same as reset). I can see that the SC can't be customized to everyones special setup - but having the SB connected like the other AV stuff and having the PC-stuff connected somewhere else, seems reasonable for me. Thus if you only power on the AV stuff, you'll run into that problem... -- jan80 jan80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I had the same problem when In installed a nightly build of 7.3. I went back to the stable 7.2 but had the same problem, then eventually reverted further back to the last nightly build of 7.2 I'd been previously running. In my case I think it may have related to some plugins which weren't updated for the new screen size for Squeezebox Boom. I was running an older version of Michael Herger's MusicInfoScreen, and SuperDateTime as my off display. Haven't advanced back up to 7.2 stable yet, but I may do that at the weekend. -- ShadowWar ShadowWar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Further to my previous post, 7.2 installed new firmware. I think this may have been the problem in combination with the non-functioning plugins; however, dropping the firmware back down to the previous version made no difference, and I'm now running f/w 112 with the old build of 7.2 (nightly, that is). Ultimately, I think the resolution is to install an old nightly build or 7.1, then check your plugins are up-to-date (or disabled). Then update to 7.2 stable or newer. -- ShadowWar ShadowWar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I posted this last week, I was told that it was a change due to problems with people not knowing if the server had lost connection due to the SB reverting to the same black screen as will be shown if you just have the clock display turned off. ie the change has been implemented as if someone has set a wake up alarm and the SB loses connection they will now be made aware as the screen will show the box trying to connect. Its annoying for me as I have a smilar av setup, i've reverted to connecting to squeezenetwork when my av setup is turned on but the computer is off, this way I get the clock rather than the repeatedly refreshing connection screen. -- Gibbo Gibbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Good idea re connecting to SqueezeNetwork, thanks Gibbo! -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Ok, thanks for the suggestion. But this is no solution fpr me, because I don't have internet switched on all the time. Isn't it possible to configure this behaviour somehow? My feeling is, it should be ;-) -- jan80 jan80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
This does not happen to a completely powered of server ? at least not for me on 7.3 ? Does it make a difference if you have an alarm pending ? Or pause the player ? Or Stop the player ? -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
Hi, My SB3 has developed a really annoying issue (since 7.2), here's what happens... I normally power off all my AV stuff when I'm not using it and suspend the SC computer. Formerly, when I'd power on the AV gear the SB3 would show the Logitech/Squeezebox logos, attempt to gain a network network connection, promptly give up and settle into a blank screen mode. Currently, the SB3 powers up and goes into an infinite loop of trying to connect to the (suspended) SC server. It's cracking my GF (and me) up this constant distracting scrolling on the SB3 (message something like 'Can't connect to squeeze center..., Left to set up...). When I revive the suspended PC the problem disappears (SB just shows date/time) I've tried playing around with the Power On Resume settings under SettingsPlayer but nothing seems to help. Am I missing something dead obvious? Any help very much appreciated... Thanks System: SC 7.2-22900 on Ubuntu 8.04 -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Power On Issue - Constantly Trying to Connect to Suspended SC
I was about to post the same thing here. I think this behaviour was introduced with Squeezecenter 7.2 and I agree, it's quite annoying. Is there anything we can do to avoid this? -- jan80 jan80's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52451 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
