Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-10-23 Thread jimzak

The Touch exclusive to the Logitech site seems to have leaked back over
to Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-930-74-Squeezebox-Touch/dp/B002LARRDA/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_322215011_2?ie=UTF8s=electronicspf_rd_p=1269277102pf_rd_s=right-6pf_rd_t=101pf_rd_i=507846pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_r=1TB969NXH5BHFNW7SJ8T

Yea, I'm sure this is old news.

Likely there was just some sort of production bottleneck?

There's certainly no advantage to buying on Amazon.com unless you get
free shipping with their Prime program.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-10-23 Thread toby10

jimzak;584603 Wrote: 
 ..
 There's certainly no advantage to buying on Amazon.com unless you get
 free shipping with their Prime program.

No Prime program needed, standard shipping is free from Amazon US.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-09-21 Thread Phil Leigh

maggior;569806 Wrote: 
 The coupons they've issued twice recently for the Touch at a VERY
 reduced price contradicts this theory.
 
 Regarding the comment about (paraphrasing here...)damaging the
 perceived value of the squeezebox line, pulling the product from the
 retail chains doesn't make sense to me.  If this is what they are
 after, then do like Apple and Bose - only allow the retailers to sell
 the products at a certain price otherwise they lose their authorized
 reseller status.

I thought Resale Price Maintenance was illegal in the US? - it is in
the UK and Europe...


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-09-18 Thread jean2

To continue on the theme it does not make sense whatsoever.

The Touch is still listed on logitech.com (USA) as Exclusive for
$299. And it is now available on featured Amazon affiliates (USA) for
$329 or more, and various other affiliates as low as $259.

In other words, don't take all of this too seriously...

Jean


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-19 Thread PappyBlue

JJZolx;569887 Wrote: 
 I know what you said.  And it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


x2

Iphone you are probably one of the most respected user of this forum
and I really admire your knowledge of everything audio-related but I
totally agree with JJZolx, what you are saying about this does'nt make
any sense whatsoever !?!?!


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-19 Thread JJZolx

We don't have to stir this up again, do we?  And I agree, iPhone is one
of the most respected members of this forum.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-17 Thread Muele

Mnyb;569710 Wrote: 
 Can the exclusive ploy be a way to not run out of them, before the
 next batch arrives, to save them from embarrassment again ;)
 

My guess is that you are spot on! This way Logitech can run out of
stock without having to admit it to the retailers and at the same time
perhaps preserve stock a bit longer. Better hurry out and buy now if
you want a Touch.

As for Amazon etc dumping the price. I really don't think Logitech
minds that. The gross price is set so that Logitech can cover hardware
and support and still have some profit. The more devices that are
pushed to the consumer the better for the business.

I think I have stated it before in another thread. But I think
Logitech's main problem in relation to the Squeezebox product line, is
that it is so different in comparison to most of their other product
lines. If they are unable to supply mouse X, they still have 10 other
mouse-models that are apealing to the same customers. Hence they don't
care too much about having enough stock and order product-runs in due
time. If the Touch and Receiver goes out of stock on the other hand,
they are pretty much out of business until new stock is produced. I
think management at some level has not realised that yet.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-17 Thread maggior

Muele;569732 Wrote: 
 My guess is that you are spot on! This way Logitech can run out of stock
 without having to admit it to the retailers and at the same time perhaps
 preserve stock a bit longer. Better hurry out and buy now if you want a
 Touch.
 
 

The coupons they've issued twice recently for the Touch at a VERY
reduced price contradicts this theory.

Regarding the comment about (paraphrasing here...)damaging the
perceived value of the squeezebox line, pulling the product from the
retail chains doesn't make sense to me.  If this is what they are
after, then do like Apple and Bose - only allow the retailers to sell
the products at a certain price otherwise they lose their authorized
reseller status.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-17 Thread iPhone

JJZolx;569706 Wrote: 
 What a load of malarkey.  Wishful thinking, at best.
 
 There's a reason for the oddball (lack of) distribution.  We don't know
 what it is yet, but it's certainly not because they don't want resellers
 selling too many of them.  This is a mass produced $300 consumer
 product, for god's sake.  Not a limited edition collectible that you
 wouldn't want selling below MSRP.

You just don't read and have no logic whatsoever. I didn't say Logitech
didn't want to sell to many of them or all that they could. I said they
didn't want the innate value of they product destroyed by cut throat
resellers that work off the principle of volume selling at $10 over
their wholesale cost! IE ruining the rest of the market for a product.
Logitech could sell millions of Touch units at $49.95, people would say
'Why not buy or own one at this price but they cost more then that to
make and support. 

And nowhere did I say or imply limited edition or collectible, that was
some crazy conclusion you jumped to. Exclusively does not imply limited
edition or collectable. It means only from this source.

Did it ever occur to you that Logitech is getting back to what worked
in the beginning for Slim Devices as in selling Exclusively from a
website? Probably not because you are to busy not reading the post
correctly or injecting words that were never said much less mentioned.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-17 Thread maggior

iPhone;569811 Wrote: 
 ...Logitech is getting back to what worked in the beginning for Slim
 Devices as in selling Exclusively from a website? 

Personally, I think that selling through Amazon, JR, Crutchfield, etc.
worked better and was a huge step forward.  I didn't like the fact that
I had to pay full price plus shipping and that I had to wait for a
shipment to arrive from California to New Jersey.  Having the item
available at other retailers also gives exposure - I regularly go to
the Amazon website for books, CD, etc.  I have no reason to frequent
the Logitech website.

As I said earlier, I think there are better ways to handle the
preceived value of the product, like forcing authorized resellers to a
certain price range, but allow small discounts.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-17 Thread JJZolx

iPhone;569811 Wrote: 
 I didn't say Logitech didn't want to sell to many of them or all that
 they could. I said they didn't want the innate value of they product
 destroyed by cut throat resellers that work off the principle of volume
 selling at $10 over their wholesale cost!

I know what you said.  And it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread bwaldron

iPhone;569331 Wrote: 
 That is pretty much what Exclusively means. Once all the stock anybody
 else has remaining is gone, one will only be able to buy a Touch from a
 Logitech Website.
 

Didn't stop me from buying, and there was no price difference involved,
but I still find that a bit odd (for a Logitech consumer product) and
slightly discomforting.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread snarlydwarf

bwaldron;569588 Wrote: 
 Didn't stop me from buying, and there was no price difference involved,
 but I still find that a bit odd (for a Logitech consumer product) and
 slightly discomforting.

Perhaps, but then I've always bought 'direct' anyway.  The old
Slimdevices store had the same prices as Amazon and often lower. 
(Until the War of the Radios over Christmas season last year anyway,
where BestBuy and Amazon seemed to be trying to outdo the other one...
of course, BestBuy usually had no stock in the store anyway... but they
at least listed it in the newspaper ads..)

Sadly I bought my radio before that price war, but then, I got a couple
months of pleasure from it before the price war so it's all good.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread maggior

The advantage I saw of being able to purchase though various retailers
was the discounts that would pop up - like the Radio price war that has
been brought up.  Currently the Boom can be had from Amazon for $199
today and it was $189 last week.  Coupon codes aside, I don't think
we'll see much of this on Logitech's website.  Also, coupon codes are
only good for those that are in the know, whereas anybody can look at
Amazon's website for the current price - no special knowledge required.

I think this is a step backwards for the squeezebox product.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread jimzak

Yes.  I guess that was my poorly expressed point:

1.  Less availability means lower sales
2.  Exclusivity means less competition (like none) and less of a break
for the consumer meaning potentially lower sales

Why do I even care?

...because I want the product line to do well so that there will be
upgrades in the future and better support.

And yes, I thought the whole point may have been posted, but I didn't
do the ritual pre-posting search of the forum.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread iPhone

The product line doesn't do well if the value of the product is eroded
by Retails (especially deep discounting Internet Retailers) that only
want a quick buck by selling tons of them at $10 over cost. It is not
good for the consumer if the product goes away due to this and it also
kills support. Amazon and other companies provide no support and flood
the market with cheap product that Logitech has to turn around and now
support off of wholesale prices demanding to be lowered by the sellers
because they are moving so many of them when actual there are more and
more support cots being added.

People come into my better half's business all the time telling her
that they can get the same service cheaper or 'for this price' some
place else. She tells them that that is fine, then explains her
products and services and why they are priced where they are at. She
then says there is a reason they are at her business and not down the
street at such in such. It is because one gets what one pays for and if
it was just as good down the street for $40 less, they would be down the
street.

It is called not prostituting ones business, services, or products.
They have a value to them and only they can ruin that by selling them
for less then the market will bear. $300 is a fair price for the Touch.
I actually think all the Squeezebox products are fairly well priced
except for the Accessory Pak and the SB Radio (but I have voiced those
opinions elsewhere in the Forum). Additionally by holding prices up, it
allows for future products to be developed and when they come out they
can keep the Touch in the lineup but lower its price at that time
because the MSRP hasn't been destroyed by greedy volume sellers only
interested in making a quick buck without regard to support, company
name, or company reputation.

The Touch was designed with an MSRP in mind and it is in Logitech's
best interest to keep it as near to that as the market will allow.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread JJZolx

What a load of malarkey.  Wishful thinking, at best.

There's a reason for the oddball (lack of) distribution.  We don't know
what it is yet, but it's certainly not because they don't want resellers
selling too many of them.  This is a mass produced $300 consumer
product, for god's sake.  Not a limited edition collectible that you
wouldn't want selling below MSRP.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-16 Thread Mnyb

JJZolx;569706 Wrote: 
 What a load of malarkey.  Wishful thinking, at best.
 
 There's a reason for the oddball (lack of) distribution.  We don't know
 what it is yet, but it's certainly not because they don't want resellers
 selling too many of them.  This is a mass produced $300 consumer
 product, for god's sake.  Not a limited edition collectible that you
 wouldn't want selling below MSRP.

Thats true.

But is it only logitech US and Logitech CA , they are known known to
do very strange things like not having receivers for 8 months straight
(all official explanations for that is twaddle) and they are out of
batteries, and in CA not selling batteries for the radio (like selling
cars wo tires) ?

In Eu it does not carry the exclusive moniker on the logitech sites,
and it is available trough other channels, and price competition seems
to be healthy , Eu seems well stocked our local logitech's still
beleives in the products they are fully stocked with -all products-,I
can still get receivers batteries and transporters (probably the last
ones but anyway) here .

I think the differences is in this . internally logitech seems weird,
looks like you have to order very large batches that is not
manufactured very often to fill your stock, this the demands that the
local logitech believes in the products and that they are going to sell
?
If you don't believe and don't order eneugh of them you don't have any
to sell ?
Logitech US seems to be in constant ave that these things sell at all
and are surprised when they run out of them, receivers and batteries
are good examples.

Can the exclusive ploy be a way to not run out of them,before the
next batch arrives, to save them from embarrassment again ;)

Logitech in some other places seems not to believe in the products at
all, the don't have much of them . In some cases that may be a wise
move the country must have good internet infrastructure to make for
example the radio viable.

What beats me is why they not come with all power plates for the PSU's,
then logitech's arround the world mostly Eu vs US could borrow stock
from each other in case they are out ? Do they think that much no ?


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[slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-15 Thread jimzak

Does this mean the Touch is no longer available outside of the Logitech
site?

Seems pretty clear to me.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/5745

http://zzzone.net/photo/touch.jpg

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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-15 Thread ghostrider

What's your point?


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-15 Thread iPhone

jimzak;569298 Wrote: 
 Does this mean the Touch is no longer available outside of the Logitech
 site?
 
 Seems pretty clear to me.
 
 http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/5745
 
 http://zzzone.net/photo/touch.jpg
 
 This may be old news.

That is pretty much what Exclusively means. Once all the stock
anybody else has remaining is gone, one will only be able to buy a
Touch from a Logitech Website.

And there is another ' thread '
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=568910postcount=3) that
covered this already.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-15 Thread bpa

iPhone;569331 Wrote: 
 That is pretty much what Exclusively means. Once all the stock anybody
 else has remaining is gone, one will only be able to buy a Touch from a
 Logitech Website.

Only for the US - Touch seems to be available in EU from other sites.


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Re: [slim] Touch - exclusive to Logitech website?

2010-08-15 Thread Mnyb

And Exclusive sound so much better than only...

Here in the obscure outbacks of Sweden it's available from many
vendors.

In fact I'm going OT 
dustin.se has it

http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010332924.aspx?csref=Keybroker_Google_Adwords__RTA__

And good prices on the radio to !

And further search .

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=460015

The prices are coming down nicely :)

logitech.se has it for 3499:- sek cheapest competitor has it for 2869:-
sek

So fellow swedes get one.


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