Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
This is only for units purchased through the Small Green Computer shop in the US. VortexBox distributors are independent companies and have their own promotions. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Deos that include your Australian customers? -- morthan morthan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Your Welcome! -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
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Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
agillis;515993 Wrote: I have never even heard of the ARTISTSORT tag. So VortexBox doesn't create it. How do you decide what goes in the ARTISTSORT tag? ARTISTSORT ALBUMSORT are used for how you display lists to people. I don't think I have ever seen them used to provide the physical folder storage approach. You would have to have some major rule definitions to do this automatically at RIP time. They are used for defining the string order you want sorts to use: Eg Elton John - John, Elton ; The Beatles - Beatles, The etc etc. I think Squeeze server will respect ARTISTSORT in the scanner. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
DaveWr;516029 Wrote: ARTISTSORT ALBUMSORT are used for how you display lists to people. I don't think I have ever seen them used to provide the physical folder storage approach. You would have to have some major rule definitions to do this automatically at RIP time. They are used for defining the string order you want sorts to use: Eg Elton John - John, Elton ; The Beatles - Beatles, The etc etc. I think Squeeze server will respect ARTISTSORT in the scanner. Dave Yeah that does sound complex but if you can come with the rules I'll add it to the code. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
I was just explaining, I think that the sort tags should be added by the user. Sorting is not the same as storage folder structure. And even that will vary particularly for thos with large classical collections. I would leave it alone. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
The data I'm talking about does show up on a web query on musicbrainz, and it also appears to come through the XML WebService API. On the web page for each artist, it will show up in normal font two lines below the big bold header of the normalized artist name. For instance: Tom Waits - Waits, Tom http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/35c9a4b0-d4dd-3e6f-87fd-2185519296e2.html The Who - Who, The http://musicbrainz.org/artist/9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa.html Ben Harper and Relentless7 - Harper, Ben and Relentless7 http://musicbrainz.org/artist/91636f0e-163c-4b8c-a355-d5127998d51f.html Alasdair Fraser Natalie Haas - Fraser, Alasdair Haas, Natalie http://musicbrainz.org/artist/37c81427-68cf-4b5e-b54a-aaf42749ac97.html So what I'm after would just be a matter of using the latter version of the name as the artist folder (to get a natural sort with `ls`), rather than the former (iTunes style). It's noted in the API documentation at: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/XMLWebService#The_Artist_Class http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Artist_Sort_Name It does seems though that I may be the only person in the world interested in this, so I can certainly just install the software and patch it myself (at which time I'd be asking about the process for submitting a patch). -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
I'm not entirely sure if this is close to how VB or ripit goes about getting its data from MB, but here's an example for Little Earthquakes that shows the sort name (Amos, Tori). http://musicbrainz.org/ws/1/release/02232360-337e-4a3f-ad20-6cdd4c34288c?type=xmlinc=tracks+release-events+artist -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
eq72521;516164 Wrote: The data I'm talking about does show up on a web query on musicbrainz, and it also appears to come through the XML WebService API. On the web page for each artist, it will show up in normal font two lines below the big bold header of the normalized artist name. For instance: Tom Waits - Waits, Tom http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/35c9a4b0-d4dd-3e6f-87fd-2185519296e2.html The Who - Who, The http://musicbrainz.org/artist/9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa.html Ben Harper and Relentless7 - Harper, Ben and Relentless7 http://musicbrainz.org/artist/91636f0e-163c-4b8c-a355-d5127998d51f.html Alasdair Fraser Natalie Haas - Fraser, Alasdair Haas, Natalie http://musicbrainz.org/artist/37c81427-68cf-4b5e-b54a-aaf42749ac97.html So what I'm after would just be a matter of using the latter version of the name as the artist folder (to get a natural sort with `ls`), rather than the former (iTunes style). It's noted in the API documentation at: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/XMLWebService#The_Artist_Class http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Artist_Sort_Name It does seems though that I may be the only person in the world interested in this, so I can certainly just install the software and patch it myself (at which time I'd be asking about the process for submitting a patch). I just wanted to check that you knew Squeezebox server will use these tags and show music organised using them in search mode, but the browse music will still show the original folder structure. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
I took a look at the man page for WebService::MusicBrainz::Response::Artist and it does show sort_name as one of the accessor methods that can used in the query. However, it's not used by the current version of ripit. But it appears that ripit could be enhanced to use this information. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
DaveWr;516170 Wrote: I just wanted to check that you knew Squeezebox server will use these tags and show music organised using them in search mode, but the browse music will still show the original folder structure. You missed the part where he asks that these sort strings be used as the _folder_ names. So what I'm after would just be a matter of using the latter version of the name as the artist folder (to get a natural sort with `ls`), rather than the former (iTunes style). -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx;516188 Wrote: You missed the part where he asks that these sort strings be used as the _folder_ names. See post 11 - I didn't. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hmm. Whatever was or was not communicated, this is precisely what I was after. I have a somewhat manual custom process for ripping and encoding now, and all of my artist directories are indeed named like the sort name coming back from MusicBrainz. Again, this is so that when looking at the raw directory (either with `ls`, Nautilus, Explorer, or Browse Music Folder on my Squeezeboxen) the artists are naturally sorted properly (e.g. The Clash in the Cs and Tom Waits in the Ws). If I move over to using a VB appliance to make all this easier, I would need to retain this setup. It sounds like this is possible with a few minor patches to some tools. -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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eq72521;516231 Wrote: Hmm. Whatever was or was not communicated, this is precisely what I was after. I have a somewhat manual custom process for ripping and encoding now, and all of my artist directories are indeed named like the sort name coming back from MusicBrainz. Again, this is so that when looking at the raw directory (either with `ls`, Nautilus, Explorer, or Browse Music Folder on my Squeezeboxen) the artists are naturally sorted properly (e.g. The Clash in the Cs and Tom Waits in the Ws). If I move over to using a VB appliance to make all this easier, I would need to retain this setup. It sounds like this is possible with a few minor patches to some tools. You'll need Perl programming skills to do this. You could also contact the ripit developer: ripit at suwald dot com and request this enhancement. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
VortexBox stores the music under albums not artists. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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So in my root music directory it would just look like this, with all albums mixed together? Code: And All That Could Have Been (Disc 1) And All That Could Have Been (Disc 2) Closing Time Deep Cuts Nevermind Presence Real Gone Ten Trading Snakeoil For Wolftickets Yes That seems odd. That root directory would be huge and it would be impossible to browse. What would one do with album name collisions (e.g. Closer for both Nine Inch Nails and Joy Division?) Maybe VB isn't for me... In my current scheme, the above would look like this, adding in the two instances of Closer, which are unrepresentable otherwise: Code: Joy Division +- Closer Jules, Gary +- Trading Snakeoil For Wolftickets Knife, The +- Deep Cuts Morphine +- Yes Nine Inch Nails +- And All That Could Have Been (Disc 1) +- And All That Could Have Been (Disc 2) +- Closer Nirvana +- Nevermind Pearl Jam +- Ten Waits, Tom +- Closing Time +- Real Gone +- Presence -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
The directory structure is Artist - Album like this. Billy_Joel_-_52nd_Street I have over 1000 albums and find it much easier to have them all at the root level. Plus I don't really go into the directory tree much since SBS has them all organized for me. But you can arrange them any way you want after they are ripped. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
agillis;515972 Wrote: The directory structure is Artist - Album like this. Billy_Joel_-_52nd_Street I have over 1000 albums and find it much easier to have them all at the root level. Plus I don't really go into the directory tree much since SBS has them all organized for me. But you can arrange them any way you want after they are ripped. Sure, it makes little difference to Squeezebox Server, but who in their right mind wants to deal with a folder with (potentially) thousands of subfolders in it? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx;515976 Wrote: Sure, it makes little difference to Squeezebox Server, but who in their right mind wants to deal with a folder with (potentially) thousands of subfolders in it? It's easy to change the VortexBox default and have CDs ripped to a directory structure where albums are placed in separate artist directories: artist1 album1 album2 ... artist2 album1 album2 ... This is what I do on my VortexBox Appliance. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
Ron Olsen;515982 Wrote: It's easy to change the VortexBox default and have CDs ripped to a directory structure where albums are placed in separate artist directories: artist1 --- album1 --- album2 --- ... artist2 --- album1 --- album2 --- ... This is what I do on my VortexBox Appliance. That's about perfect. Back to my original question (I really didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I guess we're past that), is it possible to use for the artist1, artist2, etc. what would go in the ARTISTSORT tag? This would make the artists actually sort properly when directly browsing the music directory. If you can't do this, then the directory ends up looking like iTunes got a hold of it, which is just wrong. -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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eq72521;515984 Wrote: That's about perfect. Back to my original question (I really didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I guess we're past that), is it possible to use for the artist1, artist2, etc. what would go in the ARTISTSORT tag? This would make the artists actually sort properly when directly browsing the music directory. If you can't do this, then the directory ends up looking like iTunes got a hold of it, which is just wrong. I have never even heard of the ARTISTSORT tag. So VortexBox doesn't create it. How do you decide what goes in the ARTISTSORT tag? -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
eq72521;515984 Wrote: That's about perfect. Back to my original question (I really didn't mean to hijack this thread, but I guess we're past that), is it possible to use for the artist1, artist2, etc. what would go in the ARTISTSORT tag? This would make the artists actually sort properly when directly browsing the music directory. If you can't do this, then the directory ends up looking like iTunes got a hold of it, which is just wrong. VortexBox uses the ARTIST and ALBUM tags that are returned by FreeDB or MusicBrainz (the two online CDDB databases it checks) to create the directories where the encoded music files are placed. These databases do not have ARTISTSORT information. So the answer to your question is NO. The ripping/encoding/tagging program used by VortexBox is ripit. You can find more information at http://www.suwald.com/ripit/news.php -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] $25 off VortexBox Appliance
Just rename it Vortexbox Day. You know you want to. Quick question if you don't mind. Ignore if you do and I'll stop being lazy some day and try out the software myself. Does VB use whatever goes into the ARTISTSORT tag for the artist directory name into which it saves the files? I ask because this is approximately what I do manually, so that when browsing the music folder directly (BMF, ls, Windows Explorer, etc.) the artists are in the right order (e.g. Tom Waits goes in W, not T). I would need VB to do this in order to be able to switch to using it. -- eq72521 eq72521's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1512 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
