Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-25 Thread pippin

Now I can play, too
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=363328


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-24 Thread Borgen

pippin;361487 Wrote: 
 now I added a ton of parameter checking and a lengthy description on how
 to setup the server and resubmitted.

Hello Pippin,

Any update on your resubmitted version?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-24 Thread tamanaco

Not a fan... but here is a short review and some users' comments on the
$300 Sonos with the iPhone WiFi app.

http://gizmodo.com/5097223/dealzmodo-review-the-300-sonos-rig


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Redpath

Squeemote has now been submitted to the app store. I'm away from Monday
to Thursday but I don't expect it to be available until the end of the
week at least. Price is £4.99/$7.99.

If it does get released before Thursday, obviously I wont be around to
start a thread on here but feel free to email me with any issues you
have before then.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-23 Thread DeVerm

.:.impossible;361619 Wrote: 
 Of course, I've bought a few apps here and there, but I rarely use them.

I actually like the ShoppingList app. People look a bit confused when
they see me using it in the supermarket though... but they looked
confused when they saw me without it too so it's no problem ;-) (I'm
twice as tall as they are here in Panama).

cheers,
Nick.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-21 Thread Nonreality

pippin;361487 Wrote: 
 Yes, but unfortunately no good ones.
 They experienced a crash on startup that I cannot reproduce. I think
 they ran it against an un-initialized server (the only situation under
 which I could provoke a crash on startup; and also their comment
 sounded like that), now I added a ton of parameter checking and a
 lengthy description on how to setup the server and resubmitted.
 
 Let's see. The really annoying thing is that this is really quite
 stable, as well as what I see myself as from what my beta testers tell
 me. Have seen much worse apps on the app store wrt that.
 
 So, sorry for the bad news, hopefully, this gets sorted out soon.

I hope they see the light soon.  I'm excited to try it as soon as it
comes out so don't worry, we are behind you my friend.  I may try out
one of the others but your's is the one I'm excited about.  :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-21 Thread DaveWr

Hi Pippin,

Same as Nonreality, I can't wait to buy.  The commitment to the iPeng
skin has been superb.  This could really make the difference for my
family.

Hope it's soon

Dave


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-21 Thread Alok Dhir
You get the app submitted?

Do you plan on releasing any screenshots etc to aid ppl in deciding  
between yours and Squidgy?

Thanks

On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Luke Redpath wrote:


 Small anouncement, the final name of iSqueeze isSqueemote.

 Fixing a few bugs and putting the last bits of polish on the first
 release tonight. Might even get it submitted tonight too, tomorrow at
 the latest.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-21 Thread Luke Redpath

I posted some screenshots the other week. Here they are in case you
missed them:

http://gallery.me.com/lukeredpath#17bgcolor=blackview=grid


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread Borgen

pippin;360147 Wrote: 
 OK, now I'm hoping on Apple...
 iPeng is with them, now it's in their hands.
 My beta testers liked it, though :-)

Hello Pippin,

Any news from Apple? 

Searching the AppStore every day but still no sign of iPeng


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread Sike

Me too!

Can't wait!!

Is there going to be a light version for testing? (Just out of
interest, I'm gonna buy yours anyway)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread pippin

Borgen;361343 Wrote: 
 Hello Pippin,
 
 Any news from Apple? 
 
 Searching the AppStore every day but still no sign of iPeng

Yes, but unfortunately no good ones.
They experienced a crash on startup that I cannot reproduce. I think
they ran it against an un-initialized server (the only situation under
which I could provoke a crash on startup; and also their comment
sounded like that), now I added a ton of parameter checking and a
lengthy description on how to setup the server and resubmitted.

Let's see. The really annoying thing is that this is really quite
stable, as well as what I see myself as from what my beta testers tell
me. Have seen much worse apps on the app store wrt that.

So, sorry for the bad news, hopefully, this gets sorted out soon.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread Sike

pippin;361487 Wrote: 
 Yes, but unfortunately no good ones.
 They experienced a crash on startup that I cannot reproduce.

Can you not sell it to them as a flashlight app? They like those :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread pippin

Sike;361498 Wrote: 
 Can you not sell it to them as a flashlight app? They like those :)

Yea. I know that chart.
I should add a feature that it flashes whenever there's a crash :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-19 Thread .:.impossible

Seriously. Finally an app that I am willing to pay for and it can't come
out soon enough!

Of course, I've bought a few apps here and there, but I rarely use
them.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-18 Thread Nonreality

Luke Redpath;360903 Wrote: 
 Small anouncement, the final name of iSqueeze isSqueemote.
 
 Fixing a few bugs and putting the last bits of polish on the first
 release tonight. Might even get it submitted tonight too, tomorrow at
 the latest.

I like the name but are there any details about it?   Any kind of try
before you buy type of thing?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-18 Thread danco

Nonreality;361026 Wrote: 
 I like the name but are there any details about it?   Any kind of try
 before you buy type of thing?

One of the issues with AppStore, unlike software for one's main
computer, is that there doesn't seem to be any mechanism for free trial
download with later purchase of a license.

I have heard (but only one or two reports) that Apple is quite good on
issuing refunds if one decides the software is not quite what one
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-18 Thread Luke Redpath

Nonreality;361026 Wrote: 
 I like the name but are there any details about it?   Any kind of try
 before you buy type of thing?

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54479highlight=isqueeze


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-18 Thread ds2021

danco;361036 Wrote: 
 One of the issues with AppStore, unlike software for one's main
 computer, is that there doesn't seem to be any mechanism for free trial
 download with later purchase of a license.

The iPeng plugin has been around for quite a while and has allowed for
refinement of the software in the context of a web interface. The
difficulty with a web interface of course is that it is inherently
slow; the iPeng native app should show the feature-set which made the
iPeng plugin a winner, but with the speed inherent to an application. 

If you have not had a chance to check out the iPeng plugin, you should
(it's free). I have been a huge fan since its release, and the
implementation of simultaneous multi-player control makes it - for me -
the hands-down winner of any of the currently available remote options.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-18 Thread danco

I'm still just playing with a fairly new iTouch. Yes I do have the iPeng
plugin. I am likely to stick with it rather than a native app until
native apps support streaming.

And, yes, the iPeng plugin probably acts as a good trial for the native
app. My point about trials not being available was meant as a general
one, but also in reference to nonreality's question about Squeemote.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-17 Thread Michael Herger
 Does iPeng/iNewNameGoesHere cope with having multiple locations each
 with a different network setup and different music library?

I take my iPod from home to office and back every day. iPeng is handling  
this fine.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-17 Thread Luke Redpath

Small anouncement, the final name of iSqueeze isSqueemote.

Fixing a few bugs and putting the last bits of polish on the first
release tonight. Might even get it submitted tonight too, tomorrow at
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-17 Thread EnochLight

Luke Redpath;360903 Wrote: 
 Small anouncement, the final name of iSqueeze isSqueemote.

Heheh - I like.  Can't wait to try it.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread pippin

almost.
It's love and ban for Last.fm.
You are correct about PLAY, the song is paused.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread pippin

EnochLight;360490 Wrote: 
 When you select the love or ban buttons, does a window pop up saying
 that other songs will be played (or not played) according to your
 selection?  Is one prompted at all?

No. In dialog boxes per user action Squidgy clearly beats iPeng...


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread Steve Agnew

Hi Pippin/Luke,

Does iPeng/iNewNameGoesHere cope with having multiple locations each
with a different network setup and different music library? Say a
Home location and an Office location that you could switch between
easily? Now there's a good use for GPS!

Regards, Steve Agnew.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread pippin

Steve Agnew;360552 Wrote: 
 Hi Pippin/Luke,
 
 Does iPeng/iNewNameGoesHere cope with having multiple locations each
 with a different network setup and different music library? Say a
 Home location and an Office location that you could switch between
 easily? Now there's a good use for GPS!
 
 Regards, Steve Agnew.

What would that do, then?
For iPeng, I think the server detection would cope with most of this,
for everything else: try, comment and I'll see what we can do... :-)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread Steve Agnew

Sorry I should have explained this a bit more clearly.

If your native iPhone App contains a copy of the information in your SC
database, and if you had multiple locations (Home/Work/Boat) which had
different SC settings and different music libraries and which you might
want to control with your iPhone, then wouldn't you need some easy way
to say I'm Home so use that database, or I'm at the office, use the
Office database.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-16 Thread pippin

yes, I got that.
But iPeng does not have a lengthy sync process at startup. It will
re-read the database but that's in the background. Will slow down
responsiveness for a minute or so but will work right away.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread Nonreality

pippin;360147 Wrote: 
 OK, now I'm hoping on Apple...
 iPeng is with them, now it's in their hands.
 My beta testers liked it, though :-)

So I'm confused, nothing odd about that though. :)  Is this a new
version that you have submitted?  Are there any details about it?  I've
used the current one all day and it's really nice Pippen.  I'm so
impressed.  I'm also impressed with the touch. It's a lot of fun and we
keep fighting over using it to play around. :)  Still learning how to
use it and Ipeng. Haven't figured out musicip yet, it doesn't seem to
do anything, but I need to read up on it. When we hit the volume
nothing changes but it does respond.  If we increase volume it shows a
-6173 and more.  Kind of weird.  Last night it did control the volume
but today it doesn't change it just shows strange figures like that
real quick.  Other than those things it has worked like a champ. I'm
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread danny041

I am so looking forward to test this as well since i really liked the UI
in ipengs web-app but seldom used it due to the slow response rate which
comes naturally to a web-app.  Please announce when you get the approval
at as many places as possible so it is not getting missed out!

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread pippin

Nonreality;360176 Wrote: 
 So I'm confused, nothing odd about that though. :)  Is this a new
 version that you have submitted?  Are there any details about it?
 ...
 Other than those things it has worked like a champ. I'm using xp with
 7.2.1 Ipeng 0.53

It's a native app as opposed to the 0.5.3 which is a web skin.
Most info so far is in this thread, I'll do a real announcement when
I get the approval from Apple.
Overall: The skin has a tremendous amount of functionality, much more
than any of the available native apps (and even more than the
controller), but it's slw.
The app, however, is FAST but it still misses support for a lot of
plugins and is generally not as complete as the skin.

danny041;360195 Wrote: 
 I am so looking forward to test this as well since i really liked the UI
 in ipengs web-app but seldom used it due to the slow response rate which
 comes naturally to a web-app.  Please announce when you get the approval
 at as many places as possible so it is not getting missed out!
 
 What price will it go for?

I'll open a new thread and keep this one updated.
Price will be US$9.99, €7,99


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread danco

pippin;360219 Wrote: 
 
 Overall: The skin has a tremendous amount of functionality, much more
 than any of the available native apps (and even more than the
 controller), but it's slw.
 

Including being able to select AND PLAY musicon the iTouch/iPhone,
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread lanierb

pippin;360147 Wrote: 
 OK, now I'm hoping on Apple...
 iPeng is with them, now it's in their hands.
 My beta testers liked it, though :-)

Way to go pippin!  You've made huge contributions to the community so I
feel like we owe you: I'm definitely trying yours first.  Looking
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread HectorHughMunro

The price is fine IMO.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread EnochLight

HectorHughMunro;360335 Wrote: 
 The price is fine IMO.

I'll agree if it performs admirably better than Squidgy, which, judging
from Pippin's posts that sounds like it may be the case.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread pippin

OK, here's today's photo (at least for the UK and the US, here in
Germany the day's just over...)

Let's call this by popular demand, now what do we see here...?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-15 Thread EnochLight

pippin;360347 Wrote: 
 OK, here's today's photo (at least for the UK and the US, here in
 Germany the day's just over...)
 
 Let's call this by popular demand, now what do we see here...?

Heheh, very cool.  I am assuming this is for Last.fm?  When you select
the heart or reject buttons, does a window pop up saying that other
songs will be played (or not played) according to your selection?

Also, is this track paused or playing?  It appears to be paused as the
playback icon is indicated... as opposed to a pause icon if it were
playing?  Just curious...

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread autopilot

EnochLight;359794 Wrote: 
 Anyway, not feeling Concertina - got any other possible names? 
 Something that may complement the actual Squeezebox/Center line without
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread Borgen

pippin;359478 Wrote: 
 I promised one every day, so here's today's
Pippin!

Really nice pictures! Wounder what the picture will reveal today...


How are actual the release progressing?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread EnochLight

autopilot;359840 Wrote: 
 What about 'iCon'?

Hmmm - better!  Or perhaps iConcert?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread pippin

OK, a little late with today's image, so I'll do a few :-)
I DID plan top only give you the splash screen, yet...

Actually I found out a few annoying things today:

#1 I can design slick Apps, I can even make them look cool, but I
obviously CANNOT design icons, So if anybody has a cool suggestion out
there :-)

#2 is even worse: iPeng is ready for the App store, It's done, it has
all the help stuff set up, I even have marketing blabla, but I cannot
get it compiled for the AppStore? Why? My company name has an ! in it
and the code signing doesn't eat that. I am not allowed to change the
registered entity myself so now I've got Apple headquarters tying to
sort out what to do :-(
Not kidding.
Note to self - only ever use ASCII characters. Wait a moment, that IS
an ASCII character... hm... A-Z?

But ok, here's the pictures. I admit that the Squwhatever app has some
cooler looks to it but ours doesn't crash on startup :-)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread danco

autopilot;359840 Wrote: 
 What about 'iCon'?

The later suggestion of iConcert might be OK.

But call something iCon, and many people won't buy it, because in case
of trouble, theyexpect to be told Well, I said it was a con!!


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread EnochLight

pippin;359103 Wrote: 
 Yep.
 
 SN doesn't have a CLI yet.
 So I don't support it at all in 1.0. One of the early 1.x versions will
 at least have Client pullback from SN (the functionality is in, I will
 only need some UI for it which is what consumes 90% of the time...)

Thanks Pippin.  That said, can you at least navigate/control Rhaposody
and Pandora through iPeng while connected to SqueezeCenter?

danco;360040 Wrote: 
 ..call something iCon, and many people won't buy it, because in case of
 trouble, theyexpect to be told Well, I said it was a con!!

HA!!!  Good one...


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread pippin

EnochLight;360072 Wrote: 
 Thanks Pippin.  That said, can you at least navigate/control Rhaposody
 and Pandora through iPeng while connected to SqueezeCenter?
 

Yes, yes, yes, of course.
Can't show you Rhapsody (don't have it here), but Last.fm for example
looks like the attached...

Umm my telephone bill starts to fill up with overseas calls, hope Apple
fixes this issue soon, now that I even have a US IRS id ;-)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread autopilot

danco;360040 Wrote: 
 The later suggestion of iConcert might be OK.
 
 But call something iCon, and many people won't buy it, because in case
 of trouble, theyexpect to be told Well, I said it was a con!!

lol, Not bad :P

If it was my app i would call it Squeezer, don't like the whole i
thing myself, always seems a bit cheap to me. Sorry guys.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-14 Thread pippin

OK, now I'm hoping on Apple...
iPeng is with them, now it's in their hands.
My beta testers liked it, though :-)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread iainhar
Pippin



this may sound like a daft question, but can you confirm.

The art work showing on the album page, is this drawn from I Tunes? I have not 
been able to tie my artwork to my albums in SC. Obviously though they show up 
on the I Touch when accessing albums transferred from I Tunes.




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Borgen;359160 Wrote: 
 So the iPeng are leaving your hands and are sent to Apple today?

No, unfortunately not. I had some left over UI stuff to do that took
longer than expected (boring settings menu) plus adapt iPeng to the
latest changes on the internet radios that come with SC7.3.

However, I DID send out what is the release candidate to the beta
testers and if there's nothing unexpected in there it will probably go
out tomorrow.

To keep you tesed up a bit, I'll post a daily screenshot :-) Let's
start with something simple: Albums.

jaffacake;359196 Wrote: 
 Can't wait for this one...what version of SqueezeCenter will I need?

7
Didn't really test it on versions before 7.2 but I would expect it to
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread pippin

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread pippin

[EMAIL PROTECTED];359480 Wrote: 
 Pippin
 this may sound like a daft question, but can you confirm.
 
 The art work showing on the album page, is this drawn from I Tunes? I
 have not been able to tie my artwork to my albums in SC. Obviously
 though they show up on the I Touch when accessing albums transferred
 from I Tunes.
 

This depends on your SqueezeCenter settings. The iPhone has no way to
access iTunes directly (through this) and it might be quite difficult
to match an album in SC with one on iTunes, especially if they are
probably on different machines.

So no, iPeng will show what is in SC, you may want to experiment with
SC'S iTunes import settings on this, 7.3 is said to become better in
this respect than previous versions.

I use a folder.jpg in every album folder which works fine for ~80% of
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread Nonreality

pippin;359483 Wrote: 
 This depends on your SqueezeCenter settings. The iPhone has no way to
 access iTunes directly (through this) and it might be quite difficult
 to match an album in SC with one on iTunes, especially if they are
 probably on different machines.
 
 So no, iPeng will show what is in SC, you may want to experiment with
 SC'S iTunes import settings on this, 7.3 is said to become better in
 this respect than previous versions.
 
 I use a folder.jpg in every album folder which works fine for ~80% of
 my database.
Pippin, I've talked my son into an touch and he's going to let me use
it for your program.  Just wanted to confirm that it's compatable with
the newest itouch's out there?  I really looking forward to trying it.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread Luke Redpath

mherger;359459 Wrote: 
  I started off with the polling approach but found polling the server
 
 Are you using raw CLI (socket on 9090) or JSON/RPC over http?
 
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread pippin

Nonreality;359493 Wrote: 
 Pippin, I've talked my son into an touch and he's going to let me use it
 for your program.  Just wanted to confirm that it's compatable with the
 newest itouch's out there?  I really looking forward to trying it. Does
 it depend on a folder.jpg or can it use embedded art also.  Most mine
 are both. But I know I'm missing some folder.jpg's.

I don't know the latest touches but I can't imagine they don't work,
iPhone is a pretty consistent platform so far and it works the same on
my Mk.1 iPod touches as well as on my iPhone 3G. So don't expect any
quirks there.

Regarding cover art: You should see the same as through the Web I/F. SC
DOES import embedded artwork, however I find it sometimes has trouble if
the artwork is only embedded in one of the tracks of an album, that's
why I use folder.jpg, it saves quite a bit of memory.
Oh... And you should move to BIG artwork now you really notice the
quality difference of a 320x320 over, say, the 160x160 artworks that
LastFM delivers...

Hasn't been an issue for the controller, but requirements grow with
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread Michael Herger
 JSON/RPC for commands (and originally for polling), sockets for async
 notifications.

Interesting. Please note that we didn't open port 9090 on the Windows firewall 
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread Luke Redpath

Thanks for the heads-up.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread Nonreality

pippin;359500 Wrote: 
 I don't know the latest touches but I can't imagine they don't work,
 iPhone is a pretty consistent platform so far and it works the same on
 my Mk.1 iPod touches as well as on my iPhone 3G. So don't expect any
 quirks there.
 
 Regarding cover art: You should see the same as through the Web I/F. SC
 DOES import embedded artwork, however I find it sometimes has trouble if
 the artwork is only embedded in one of the tracks of an album, that's
 why I use folder.jpg, it saves quite a bit of memory.
 Oh... And you should move to BIG artwork now you really notice the
 quality difference of a 320x320 over, say, the 160x160 artworks that
 LastFM delivers...
 
 Hasn't been an issue for the controller, but requirements grow with
 capabilities :-)

Thank you, I really look forward to trying it.  I imbed all the track
and also use folder.jpg on most albums.  A bit overkill but it tends to
cover all bases. :)  Now I just have to convince him to leave it home
tomorrow and not take it to school.  I have the day off. :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-13 Thread EnochLight

Luke Redpath;359269 Wrote: 
 I can also confirm that iSqueeze will no longer be called iSqueeze on
 its final release. I'm still yet to decide on a name although I quite
 like the name Concertina. :)

That's a shame - I'm guessing Logitech had a problem with the original
name?  Anyway, not feeling Concertina - got any other possible names?
Something that may complement the actual Squeezebox/Center line without
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

danco;359148 Wrote: 
 I takeit that the downloaded files get deleted after use. Otherwise one
 might just as well transfer via iTunes and listen that way.
 
 Streaming may suit me better than downloading, as the things I mostly
 listen to are radio features and music programmes, so running anywhere
 from 15 to 60 Mb.
 
 Currently the problem with stream.mp3 on an iTouch/iPhone is navigation
 of music. Not a huge issue for me, as I plan to listen at home in a room
 where I don't have  Squeezebox, so could always go to the computer to
 start playing. But playing and navigating on the iTouch would be best.

No, it doesn't download the whole file.
But it uses QuickTime on iPhone, which will download parts of the file
in chunks of 5MB and buffer it. Plenty of time for your connection to
come back on outagages.

Navigation with the skin is only basic, but the QT screen coming up
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread munkivelli

Will iPeng support music services like Rhapsody?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

Borgen;359160 Wrote: 
 So the iPeng are leaving your hands and are sent to Apple today?

No, unfortunately not. I had some left over UI stuff to do that took
longer than expected (boring settings menu) plus adapt iPeng to the
latest changes on the internet radios that come with SC7.3.

However, I DID send out what is the release candidate to the beta
testers and if there's nothing unexpected in there it will probably go
out tomorrow.

To keep you tesed up a bit, I'll post a daily screenshot :-) Let's
start with something simple: Albums.

jaffacake;359196 Wrote: 
 Can't wait for this one...what version of SqueezeCenter will I need?

7
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread danco

pippin;358827 Wrote: 
 
 BTW, did you try the iPeng skin's playback? Since that DOWNLOADS the
 files to the iPhone it could actually work better than the stream.

I takeit that the downloaded files get deleted after use. Otherwise one
might just as well transfer via iTunes and listen that way.

Streaming may suit me better than downloading, as the things I mostly
listen to are radio features and music programmes, so running anywhere
from 15 to 60 Mb.

Currently the problem with stream.mp3 on an iTouch/iPhone is navigation
of music. Not a huge issue for me, as I plan to listen at home in a room
where I don't have  Squeezebox, so could always go to the computer to
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

munkivelli;359244 Wrote: 
 Will iPeng support music services like Rhapsody?

Yes.
But no playback on the device, yet, you know that, right? (Will
probably be an issue for a while for a DRMed service like Rhapsody) But
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Luke Redpath

pippin, how well does iPeng handle large libraries? I found the SQL
queries run when retrieving albums with artist info via the CLI to be
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

Luke Redpath;359258 Wrote: 
 pippin, how well does iPeng handle large libraries? I found the SQL
 queries run when retrieving albums with artist info to be quite
 inefficient and was seeing very long response times.

Yes, that's a known issue. There's an ages old bug about this.
I cache the albums list (as you do, too, as far as I can see), so that
is not THAT much of an issue.
BTW, what's a large library? I don't have one myself, I only have 700
Albums or so.
From what I heard during the beta, the worst thing - performance wise -
is browsing Genres, if you have a long list of Genres or many
Artists/Albums within a Genre this is slow. Same on the SBC.
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Luke Redpath

pippin;359259 Wrote: 
 Yes, that's a known issue. There's an ages old bug about this.
 I cache the albums list (as you do, too, as far as I can see), so that
 is not THAT much of an issue.
 BTW, what's a large library? I don't have one myself, I only have 700
 Albums or so.
 From what I heard during the beta, the worst thing - performance wise -
 is browsing Genres, if you have a long list of Genres or many
 Artists/Albums within a Genre this is slow. Same on the SBC.
 Hopefully, NewSchema will do away with that.

I haven't bothered with genre browsing yet as it didn't seem like a
priority. I only have around 700 albums or so too and it takes about 10
seconds to sync but one of my beta testers had over 3000 albums.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

Luke Redpath;359258 Wrote: 
 I'm also interested in if you decided to go down the polling route or
 set up a permanent connection to the CLI and use
 notifications/subscriptions.

Only saw that now.
Polling. Had tons of that code (logic) lying around from the skin. Will
probably change that for a later version. Gives a bit of a delay for
some things (state changes in the player) but is irrelevant for the
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread pippin

Luke Redpath;359261 Wrote: 
 I haven't bothered with genre browsing yet as it didn't seem like a
 priority. I only have around 700 albums or so too and it takes about 10
 seconds to sync but one of my beta testers had over 3000 albums.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread jaffacake

pippin;359243 Wrote: 
 
 Didn't really test it on versions before 7.2 but I would expect it to
 run on 7.0+, Alarm (which is what would need 7.2) is not yet in.

That's fine, I can go 7.2.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Luke Redpath

pippin;359262 Wrote: 
 Only saw that now.
 Polling. Had tons of that code (logic) lying around from the skin. Will
 probably change that for a later version. Gives a bit of a delay for
 some things (state changes in the player) but is irrelevant for the
 large scale stuff, I believe.

I started off with the polling approach but found polling the server
for status updates impacted on performance too much so I've moved over
to a notification-based approach, maintaining as much state as possible
in the domain model of the app, only retrieving status updates where
necessary.

There is something quite cool about changing the volume (using the
normal SqueezeBox remote) and seeing the volume slider update in
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Luke Redpath

I can also confirm that iSqueeze will no longer be called iSqueeze on
its final release. I'm still yet to decide on a name although I quite
like the name Concertina. :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Borgen

pippin;358827 Wrote: 
 Tomorrow.
 Just so much: More than Sonos...
 

So the iPeng are leaving your hands and are sent to Apple today?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread jaffacake

pippin;358827 Wrote: 
 Tomorrow.
 Just so much: More than Sonos...
 
 

Can't wait for this one...what version of SqueezeCenter will I need?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread munkivelli

pippin;359249 Wrote: 
 Yes.
 But no playback on the device, yet, you know that, right? (Will
 probably be an issue for a while for a DRMed service like Rhapsody) But
 they do have their own app for that, don't they?

Oh, yeah.  That's all I need is to be able to use the app to control
squeezecenter to play songs on my sb boom from either my rhapsody
library and do artist search to find music and play it from rhapsody. 
The web app is great and has all that functionality already.  It will
be much cooler to have it in a native app though.  There actually isn't
currently any way that I know of to stream rhapsody tracks straight to
an iPhone or itouch.  I imagine apple would shoot down any app that
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread jaffacake

Luke Redpath;359269 Wrote: 
 I can also confirm that iSqueeze will no longer be called iSqueeze on
 its final release. I'm still yet to decide on a name although I quite
 like the name Concertina. :)

I thought of a name, you have PM :)


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread robroe

Luke Redpath;358875 Wrote: 
 I wouldn't go that far; the message was friendly enough. I also
 understand the necessity for companies to protect trademarks.. I am
 awaiting a reply to my email.

Glad to hear it :) I appreciate companies have to protect their
trademarks etc, I was just fearful that they were going to be
overzealous. 

Can someone protect something like 'Squeeze' surely that is just a
word? Maybe its different because the product is blatantly connected to
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-12 Thread Michael Herger
 I started off with the polling approach but found polling the server

Are you using raw CLI (socket on 9090) or JSON/RPC over http?

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Borgen

Can we get an update on what is happening with your applications?

Luke: 
Are your application iSqueeze sent to Apple? 
If so have your recived any date when it would come up in App Store?
If not, when will you send it to Apple?

Pippin: 
Are your application iPeng sent to Apple?
If so have your recived any date when it would come up in App Store?
If not, when will you send it to Apple?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread danco

And will either app allow one to stream music to the iTouch?

There is an internet radio program called CastCatcher that is meant to
allow streaming, but the developer says that this is currently broken.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

Borgen;358667 Wrote: 
 
 Pippin: 
 Are your application iPeng sent to Apple?
 
No, I wanted to have automatic server discovery in there and that took
a little longer than expected. Release Candidate is going out to beta
testers today.
 
 If so have your recived any date when it would come up in App Store?
 
No, I haven't done this before.
But my other formal act holding me up (Comapny Registration) is done
now.
 
 If not, when will you send it to Apple?
Plan: tomorrow.
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

danco;358676 Wrote: 
 And will either app allow one to stream music to the iTouch?
 
 There is an internet radio program called CastCatcher that is meant to
 allow streaming, but the developer says that this is currently broken.

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Borgen

pippin;358684 Wrote: 
 
 Plan: tomorrow.
 I will post a bigger update when it's submitted.

Pippin, sound promising. 

Saw another post from you where you said that your would post some
screen shots. Have you done that? I cant find any iPeng (native)
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

Borgen;358691 Wrote: 
 Pippin, sound promising. 
 
 Saw another post from you where you said that your would post some
 screen shots. Have you done that? I cant find any iPeng (native)
 screenshots in this forum

Oh, there are, but I forgot where I posted them. So here they are again
(they are a bit older but only details have changed):


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Luke Redpath

Not submitted to the store yet; decided at the last minute to bring
forward shuffle/repeat functionality, so hopefully submitting this
week.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

Borgen;358699 Wrote: 
 Pippin, this looks really greate!
 
 Looking forward to the release.
 
 Can you share some information on what functionality will be included
 in the first release? An perhapps some information on features that
 will be in coming version?

Tomorrow.
Just so much: More than Sonos...

thing-fish;358815 Wrote: 
 
 Nonetheless, I think that Logitech is missing a real opportunity if
 they don't release an iPhone app (not just a remote but also a player
 to listen to your collection in the car) AND tweak stream.mp3's
 functionality so that you can enjoy it more even without an app.

iPeng will eventually have that (heck, even the skin has it), just not
for the first version.

BTW, did you try the iPeng skin's playback? Since that DOWNLOADS the
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Luke Redpath

robroe;358869 Wrote: 
 I hope this isn't them sending in the heavies as I don't think that
 fits with the ethos of what was Slim Devices, and I think that would
 rile the community somewhat.

I wouldn't go that far; the message was friendly enough. I also
understand the necessity for companies to protect trademarks.. I am
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread lanierb

robroe;358869 Wrote: 
 I hope this isn't them sending in the heavies as I don't think that
 fits with the ethos of what was Slim Devices, and I think that would
 rile the community somewhat.

You have to understand that trademark law REQUIRES you to defend your
trademark, or lose it.  If you let one person go, you lose the next
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Luke Redpath

Full disclosure: somebody from Logitech has been in touch to discuss use
of Logitech trademarks and images (none of which are used in iSqueeze in
its present form) and the app's final name so reading between the
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread peterw

thing-fish;358815 Wrote: 
 I was deeply disappointed in SqueezeCenter's capability to serve music
 to the device.  I always came in from a different IP address, so I was
 unable to set defaults for the stream.  As such, it always came in as
 unlimited, choking the bandwidth immediately.  I considered submitting
 a feature request that would let you specify the desired stream rate in
 the url (i.e. http://myserver:9000/stream.mp3?bitrate=96k) to surmount
 this, but in the end decided to end my unlimited data trial.

SettingsManager (see below) should let you save the bitrate limiting
for a currently connected player as a Default Web setting, thereby
applying it to any new IP addresses that connects for /stream.mp3
playback. That's not well tested, but it should work, and I welcome
feedback  bug reports. 

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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread robroe

Luke Redpath;358839 Wrote: 
 Full disclosure: somebody from Logitech has been in touch to discuss use
 of Logitech trademarks and images (none of which are used in iSqueeze in
 its present form) and the app's final name so (and I may be jumping
 the gun here), reading between the lines, iSqueeze might not be the
 name of the final release.

I hope this isn't them sending in the heavies as I don't think that
fits with the ethos of what was Slim Devices, and I think that would
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread Borgen

pippin;358693 Wrote: 
 Oh, there are, but I forgot where I posted them. So here they are again
 (they are a bit older but only details have changed):

Pippin, this looks really greate!

Looking forward to the release.

Can you share some information on what functionality will be included
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread robroe

Yeah that looks fantastic! 

Looks like castcatcher has been pulled from the Apple store at the mo
http://gizmodo.com/5082341/apple-rejects-castcatcher-13-app-for-transferring-excessive-volumes-of-data


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread mattybain

GlenL;358785 Wrote: 
 I'm in the market for an MP3 player and this thread is definitely
 pushing me towards an iPod Touch :-)

After having been on the beta test for iSqueeze all I can say is that
when they are released you iphone/itouch owners are going to love
them.

iSqueeze is so quick and so easy to use IMO it makes a mockery of the
SC. I have always thought that whilst the SC's were good they weren't
quite there, whilst the iphone apps are *definitely* there.

Great news about the shuffle facility on iSqueeze this was the only
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread thing-fish

tamanaco;354250 Wrote: 
 What I would like to see in the future from SD/Logitech is SqueezePlay
 ported for use in Smartphones/iPhones, but as mobile player not
 necessarily as a home remote. (It can work as a remote if you sync it
 another player at home) With the current generation of 3G phones
 streaming media from the Internet in large metropolitan areas is a
 piece of cake. I currently use my Smartphone with PocketPlayer to
 stream internet radio stations either via ATT 3G network or via WiFi. 

I got the unlimited data plan for my Treo to give it a try.  I enjoyed
the heck out of it, it was amazing to listen to internet radio in the
car and such.  

However, I was deeply disappointed in SqueezeCenter's capability to
serve music to the device.  I always came in from a different IP
address, so I was unable to set defaults for the stream.  As such, it
always came in as unlimited, choking the bandwidth immediately.  I
considered submitting a feature request that would let you specify the
desired stream rate in the url (i.e.
http://myserver:9000/stream.mp3?bitrate=96k) to surmount this, but in
the end decided to end my unlimited data trial.

Nonetheless, I think that Logitech is missing a real opportunity if
they don't release an iPhone app (not just a remote but also a player
to listen to your collection in the car) AND tweak stream.mp3's
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread GlenL

autopilot;358696 Wrote: 
 Wow, that look fantastic. I need a iTouch now!!!

I'm in the market for an MP3 player and this thread is definitely
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread MrGadget

just a quick question. If you put the touch in landscape mode, what will
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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread HectorHughMunro

I'd like to add my voice to say that the screenshots look terrific.  I'd
be a buyer for this.


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

MrGadget;359056 Wrote: 
 just a quick question. If you put the touch in landscape mode, what will
 the iPeng app look like?

The same laying on the side :-)
No CoverFlow yet.
I will try that later, but it's not completely clear how Apple reacts
to that since it's undocumented...


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread EnochLight

pippin;358693 Wrote: 
 Oh, there are, but I forgot where I posted them. So here they are again
 (they are a bit older but only details have changed):

Wow!  So far I'm incredibly sold on this app and would happily pay the
cash needed to get it on my iPhone.  One question though: in version
1.0 can we search the library using the iPhone/iPod Touch onscreen
keyboard?

Luke Redpath;358810 Wrote: 
 Not submitted to the store yet; decided at the last minute to bring
 forward shuffle/repeat functionality, so hopefully submitting this
 week.

That website you prepared to present your app is very nice; thanks for
that!  I am very interested in your app as well!  How long do you think
it would be for library search to be implemented?  

Being able to search one's library is sort of the deal breaker for me. 
And do both of these apps allow you to switch between Squeezecenter and
Squeezenetwork?

Cheers!


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread peterw

pippin;358693 Wrote: 
 Oh, there are, but I forgot where I posted them. So here they are again
 (they are a bit older but only details have changed):

What's the difference in the 3 players? JoergsBoom doesn't take up the
full width, and all 3 players have different icons -- JoergsSqueezy
with X and Play, JoergsBoom with only X, and EssSqueezy with ~ and
Play... ???

What are the 3 dots just above the skip/play controls?


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Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app

2008-11-11 Thread pippin

EnochLight;359094 Wrote: 
 Wow!  So far I'm incredibly sold on this app and would happily pay the
 cash needed to get it on my iPhone.  One question though: in version
 1.0 can we search the library using the iPhone/iPod Touch onscreen
 keyboard?
 
Yep.
 
 And do both of these apps allow you to switch between Squeezecenter and
 Squeezenetwork?
 
SN doesn't have a CLI yet.
So I don't support it at all in 1.0. One of the early 1.x versions will
at least have Client pullback from SN (the functionality is in, I will
only need some UI for it which is what consumes 90% of the time...)


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