Re: [slim] Time is off
mherger;673108 Wrote: I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are synced between Touch and mysb.com. Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are synced between Touch and mysb.com. Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting? There's no such setting in the GUI. It's enabled by default. You'd have to edit a prefs file, or use the CLI to modify the pref. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
mherger;673145 Wrote: I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are synced between Touch and mysb.com. Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting? There's no such setting in the GUI. It's enabled by default. You'd have to edit a prefs file, or use the CLI to modify the pref. -- Michael Ah, that's what I assumed and what I was afraid of. :( Any chance this can become a GUI setting? Maybe making the clock check-in to MySB a separate setting? i.e. I don't want playing settings Sync'd between TinySC and MySB but I do want an accurate clock As has been the case since player settings Sync (MySB Integration) was introduced in SBS it still causes issues where such settings are sometimes not honored. Therefore switching between LMS MySB TinySC can still cause player settings to be altered, requiring custom player setup after performing such a switch. Many prefer simply to keep such player setting Sync off to avoid this. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i.e. I don't want playing settings Sync'd between TinySC and MySB but I do want an accurate clock There's a 60mins timer too, running a time check every hour. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i.e. I don't want playing settings Sync'd between TinySC and MySB but I do want an accurate clock There's a 60mins timer too, running a time check every hour. Oh, I was actually wrong: the prefs sync has nothing to do with this... only this timer is used to keep the clocks in sync. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
mherger;673106 Wrote: Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same JSON/RPC interface as LMS. That is exactly the question asked by those who voted for this bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164 Not exactly. This bug is about the time drifting. Has nothing to do with the requirement for MonkeySqueeze to have a full blown LMS. Does it? -- Michael Who said this bug has anything to do with MonkeySqueeze ? The part of the message you hilighted in blue in your first message (following messages show a lot of different colors, making things quite confused about what is quoted) was dealing with time drift, not MonkeySqueeze. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
TinySC and accurate time follow up: Touch's own clock is already 1 minute behind after three days. Streaming services via Apps using MySB in the background did not help with the clock. Obviously this means Erlands Daylight Clock Applet on Touch while running TinySC is indeed doing ckeck-ins to maintain accurate time. As soon as I switch Touch from TinySC to MySB, viola time is instantly updated and correct. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;672956 Wrote:
TinySC and accurate time follow up:
Touch's own clock is already 1 minute behind after three days.
Streaming services via Apps using MySB in the background did not help
with the clock.
Obviously this means Erlands Daylight Clock Applet on Touch while
running TinySC is indeed doing ckeck-ins to maintain accurate time.
As soon as I switch Touch from TinySC to MySB, viola time is
instantly updated and correct.
Feels strange that Daylight Clock should have anything to do with it
but maybe the fact that I'm using mysqueezebox.com image proxy to
retrieve rescaled daylight images makes it sync the time also.
If that's the case it should be easy for Logitech to fix it simply by
retrieving an image from mysqueezebox.com at regular intervals.
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Re: [slim] Time is off
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same JSON/RPC interface as LMS. That is exactly the question asked by those who voted for this bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164 Not exactly. This bug is about the time drifting. Has nothing to do with the requirement for MonkeySqueeze to have a full blown LMS. Does it? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
Feels strange that Daylight Clock should have anything to do with it but maybe the fact that I'm using mysqueezebox.com image proxy to retrieve rescaled daylight images makes it sync the time also. There's no relation there :-). I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are synced between Touch and mysb.com. I only can ask again to check the player's log file. Failure should be noted in there. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;672346 Wrote: You peaked my interest on this subject so I've tried it myself. I left my Touch connected only to it's own TinySC server for one week, never connecting it to LMS or MySB. It has maintained the correct time so far (7 days). Now there are two aspects of my usage that may differ from yours which might possibly explain why I am getting accurate Touch clock usage (to the minute, did not bother with seconds). 1. Touch is streaming from the internet via My Apps most of the time, therefore utilizing MySB.com in the background 2. I use Erlands Daylight Clock as it's clock/screensaver (a very cool screensaver I might add ;)) It could be that because of either or both 1 2 the Touch is doing a sort of check in with the online servers (MySB and/or www.die.net which is part of Erlands screensaver) therefore maintaining accurate time? Dunno for sure, just thought this might help further diagnose your Touch clock drift issue, possibly even resolve it with Erlands screensaver. LMS 7.7.0, using only SD card (no USB) I installed LMS 7.7.0 after 7.6.1 uninstall, and made a factory reset before updating Touch with LMS. So I have no plugin whatsoever. I use TinySBS with a USB stick because MySB is not reliable in Europe. The only way MySB is used is when I go to favourites, and get the list of MySB favourites (I have some internet radio streams there). If you want to reproduce the bug you can try that. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
What about trying Erlands Applet Daylight Clock on your Touch? TinySC and that Applet is all you need (no MySB or LMS). -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;672551 Wrote: What about trying Erlands Applet Daylight Clock on your Touch? TinySC and that Applet is all you need (no MySB or LMS). I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock. I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I have others clocks besides. My point of view is that when basic core features are flawed in a software, the wise thing to do is to get them fixed. Plugins or applets are normally meant to provide additional behavior, not to be patches for bug fixing. I am not sure if it requires install of Erland's licence manager (even if there is no licence needed for this applet, it seems to me you need the license manager installed anyway). I now use MonkeySqueeze which makes life so much easier. I prefer having LMS as stripped down as possible, and avoid any plugin, applet, patch, etc ... whatsoever. As soon as it can work with TinySBS, I won't have LMS anymore. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just need the Daylight Clock Applet, nothing more. Yes, I understand fixing the actual issue. I'm suggesting the Daylight Clock Applet for two simple reasons: 1. comparison/data point on YOUR setup for diagnosis 2. possibly gets you a reliable time/clock until the actual fix happens (if ever) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock. I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I have others clocks besides. Did anyone seeing this problem ever check the device's log file (/var/log/messages)? If it fails to update the clock, then it should leave some traces in there. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ooops I thought I mentioned this in my post from yesterday, but I did not include it (turkey distractions) I've now uninstalled Daylight Clock Applet, now running the stock Touch clock on TinySC. I'm suggesting you do the opposite, you install run the Daylight Clock. We'll check back again in a week to compare again. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;672566 Wrote: ooops I thought I mentioned this in my post from yesterday, but I did not include it (turkey distractions) I've now uninstalled Daylight Clock Applet, now running the stock Touch clock on TinySC. I'm suggesting you do the opposite, you install run the Daylight Clock. We'll check back again in a week to compare again. :) I have already done it, and several people did it too. I really don't feel like stopping MonkeySqueeze several days to check again what I have already checked before. If you feel like it, just perform a factory reset, install 7.7.0 firmware, connect to a USB stick and wait for a few days. For me, listening to music is a hobby, messing with computer, debugging things, is my job. I'll just say it once more ... :) I now use MonkeySqueeze which makes life so much easier. I prefer having LMS as stripped down as possible, and avoid any plugin, applet, patch, etc ... whatsoever. And moreover, I would suggest to anybody struggling with LMS to give a try to this solution. (if using Windows is not forbidden by their religion of course :) ) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
Why would you need to stop MediaMonkey to install an Applet or see the clock displayed? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
mherger;672568 Wrote: I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock. I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I have others clocks besides. Did anyone seeing this problem ever check the device's log file (/var/log/messages)? If it fails to update the clock, then it should leave some traces in there. -- Michael I didn't check those logs last time I had the problem. With opposite reasoning, is there anybody who tried to run Touch standalone with TinySBS and a USB stick, no connection to LMS or MySB whatever, and who didn't experienced a clock drift within a few days ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;672576 Wrote: Why would you need to stop MediaMonkey to install an Applet or see the clock displayed? Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS ... And I don't want any plugin or applet. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ah, ok, I gotcha. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
People having commented the bug probably still have it, and could check their logs. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164 As far as I am concerned, I'll have to be gone for several days before I can. When I am at home, I normally use the Touch several times per day. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same JSON/RPC interface as LMS. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
mherger;672587 Wrote: Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same JSON/RPC interface as LMS. -- Michael That is exactly the question asked by those who voted for this bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164 For me : No clock drift connected to MySB or to LMS on my Windows computer. Clock drift with TinySBS running on Touch hardware. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
nicolas75;670906 Wrote: . I know those things are not atomic clocks, but 5 minutes within a week is a lot. I have a netbook I didn't connected to any network for two weeks, clock was fine. I also have the most cheapest toy watch you can imagine, it doesn't loose a few seconds within a month ... You peaked my interest on this subject so I've tried it myself. I left my Touch connected only to it's own TinySC server for one week, never connecting it to LMS or MySB. It has maintained the correct time so far (7 days). Now there are two aspects of my usage that may differ from yours which might possibly explain why I am getting accurate Touch clock usage (to the minute, did not bother with seconds). 1. Touch is streaming from the internet via My Apps most of the time, therefore utilizing MySB.com in the background 2. I use Erlands Daylight Clock as it's clock/screensaver (a very cool screensaver I might add ;)) It could be that because of either or both 1 2 the Touch is doing a sort of check in with the online servers (MySB and/or www.die.net which is part of Erlands screensaver) therefore maintaining accurate time? Dunno for sure, just thought this might help further diagnose your Touch clock drift issue, possibly even resolve it with Erlands screensaver. LMS 7.7.0, using only SD card (no USB) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
I speculate that problem is for tiny lms users only and that it fails to check the clock with mysb.com during these circumstances . And there are users who don't network thier network music player :) (Intended use is networked with internet conection) Most computers and computer like things don't have a real rtc, it's all derived from the cpu clock. And often depends on check with time servers. Quality is probaly varied so Toby's Touch may keep it's time better than mine for example. But then again I don't get why logitech reinvents the wheel and does not use the standard ntp solution ? Is there a purpose behind keeping the server and player at the exect time base, for example alarms ? Or sync between players ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671521 Wrote: My only point is that you're calling now, and already have been before, Logitech to stop developing SBS/LMS as we know it today, to move to a Windows centric product. And that would really suck for all of us using non Windows-based systems if they hear you. Dot. I won't even bother pointing you to the links proving that this is as false as when you falsely accused me of being asking you to stop using LMS. And I will stop this childish and useless discussion, or try to make you understand what is my point of view. Sorry for all those who have been bothered with. I shouldn't have answered your first post dismissing Big Windows Devil solutions including MonkeySqueeze, it was meant for troll ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
erland;671265 Wrote: ... Well, as usual, I agree with everything you wrote above. I wasn't probably clear enough that I also think it is too late for LMS. Contributors on this forum should have push in the right direction several years ago, when Logitech took control of slimdevices, and probably even sooner. My criticism is that in a certain way, the LMS software is now what top posters have been asking for, for several years. After all a lot of them are very happy with it, and don't appreciate when people point out LMS flaws. So you cannot put all the blame on developpers, and even not on Logitech ... I know you really tried to push things in the right direction, and developped useful plugins to correct the basic core flaws of SBS/LMS. I agree with you there is probably no hope now. I am really happy with MonkeySqueeze which keep the sound quality of the Touch, without suffering OS audio settings problems. The only minor problem I have is that transitions between tunes are sometime a little abrupt (probably minor lag problems, disable any feature like fading in MediaMonkey) I don't know if you tried the MonkeySqueeze thing, but you should really have a look. The solution could be to keep LMS or TinySBS, only to communicate between MediaMonkey and Squeezeboxes, using the MonkeySqueeze bridge. Some could require only some minor adjustments in MonkeySqueeze and LMS. Once in MediaMonkey, you have a really good software, with server and DLNA capabilities, a community, specifications to develop plugins (may be better than LMS), and smartphone control. I really thing there is a real hope with MediaMonkey as software, and LMS as a kind of driver for squeezebox behaving as network sound cards -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671328 Wrote: I really thing there is a real hope with MediaMonkey as software, and LMS as a kind of driver for squeezebox behaving as network sound cards I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's . But something better has to come for us not using the system as a network sound card . Erland and friends are pursuing such a project they lack developers, I can't code myself out of a paperbag, So I volunteered to test if any beta should emerge... Speaking of phone and pad apps have you tried iPeng it greatly improves on the stock UI or squeezepad who or any other third party app . You should not even consider logitech's own app don't waste your time with it, given your opinions you will have an episode of some kind if you try... -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think the squeeze box machines are for the most part very self explanatory. They are great for Pandora etc. It also works well if you want to store music in the server and simply retrieve it. I owned a Duet and the remote was easy to use and self explanatory. I also find the same with the Transporter and Touch. In contrast the server software does require a learning curve. I am certain that if I was able to dedicate some time I would understand it much better. There are areas that I do not fully understand and don't have the energy and that's just fine. Those area are designed for the geeks for sure. I saw my son work on it and reaized that it will require time and motivation that I do not have. In that case, there's nobody to blame but myself.I am sure creating playlists and basic stuff could be mastered with little time. The fault that it does have is that it isn't readily logical. If one was to not use it for a year they would stumble a few times at first. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671332 Wrote: But something better has to come for us not using the system as a network sound card . Why not ? I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native control of Squeezeboxes). May be some sync feature not fully working. But it evolves quickly, in the right direction, and nothing forbid to keep LMS for specific tasks not yet covered by MediaMonkey. Why not developping MediaMonkey plugins instead of LMS plugins when the bridge is fine ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671332 Wrote: I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's . But something better has to come for us not using the system as a network sound card . Erland and friends are pursuing such a project they lack developers, I can't code myself out of a paperbag, So I volunteered to test if any beta should emerge... Speaking of phone and pad apps have you tried iPeng it greatly improves on the stock UI or squeezepad who or any other third party app . You should not even consider logitech's own app don't waste your time with it, given your opinions you will have an episode of some kind if you try... Phone apps is the plus thing when everything else is fine. It cannot bring you real file selection and library management, or help you getting rid of scans. Seriously, if you haven't yet, give a try to MonkeySqueeze. I am happy with it, but it doesn't mean everybody will. The more people will try it, the more something could emerge. Nothing prevent you to use LMS or MediaMonkey when you like, their are not exclusive. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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artintampa;671331 Wrote: Those area are designed for the geeks for sure. I saw my son work on it and reaized that it will require time and motivation that I do not have. In that case, there's nobody to blame but myself.I am sure creating playlists and basic stuff could be mastered with little time. The fault that it does have is that it isn't readily logical. If one was to not use it for a year they would stumble a few times at first. You are not to blame. The software is to blame. There is no excuse whatsoever to have poor user interface. Poor user interface means loosing time for useless things. Experts should not accept it, and others simply cannot use it at all. Playlist is an area where LMS is especially bad, and even biggest LMS fans hardly deny it. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
nicolas75;671337 Wrote:
Why ?
I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
control of Squeezeboxes).
1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably
on any of my computers
2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play
music, having the server in another room turned on is fine but that's
never going to be running Windows.
3. I don't want to control the music from a computer, I always have
access to a iPhone, iPad or IR remote in the listening room but I don't
always have direct access to a computer and if I had it would be a WiFi
conected laptop with limited harddisc space that can't contain all my
FLAC music files.
However, I do understand that MediaMonkey could be an excellent choice
for everyone that have a stationary computer in their listening room,
but these people should really also consider an Apple solution using
AppleTV or AirPort Express as these works a lot better when being
controlled from a computer than devices like Squeezebox/Sonos.
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nicolas75;671337 Wrote: I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native control of Squeezeboxes). Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS? If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential* features to me. The more I read your posts, the more I wonder why you haven't gone the Apple AE + Airfoil way, since it would have let you using any software you want to manage your library... -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671336 Wrote: Phone apps is the plus thing when everything else is fine. It cannot bring you real file selection and library management, or help you getting rid of scans. Seriously, if you haven't yet, give a try to MonkeySqueeze. I am happy with it, but it doesn't mean everybody will. The more people will try it, the more something could emerge. Nothing prevent you to use LMS or MediaMonkey when you like, their are not exclusive. It just the multiroom and player syncing aspect . Your probably aware of that there is a similar script for foobar2000 users and two add on UI's native to a windows desktop Moose and Muso . Would not get rid of scanning thou . Some kind of scan is always needed most desktop software performs similar actions how else to present album covers and song details and make search work from a player . Most things i tried imports the music the first time I use them.. or it takes a while before list and artist appears when I choose a folder (guess what they are doing). So I'm on different page here , my grief with the dB aproch is that LMS don't really use it to it's full power, you have a nice dB that is treated as a disposable thing to throw away when the next scan fails ? And don't leverage the obvius plus side of having the LMS app know everything about your music it could bring great integration and music exploring features . It can't even create a smart playlist from this knowledge ? or play similar artists or find similar things on spotify or what services you have installed. Some very basic thing they never managed to explain to anyone given that you accept scanning (you don't so stop reading here ). If the software stumble on corrupt files or files with conflicting tag info et al why must the scanner crash ? . Either just guess and present something wierd in the playlist if my friends are representative they don't mind much if their pc software present some tracks out 1000's weirdly, use the file name . Some of my friends use winamp and a close look at their playslist you see song names like track 1 etc this much better than a application crash. Even a comletely f**d up library will be played in some way all bets are of regarding enhanced functions like search or genres or years but it plays music in some way. Skip files that don't work . Put issue files in human readable list. Another scanning thing LMS does not scale well it is much faster on a powerfull pc than on my low power server, but it could be even faster on powerfull machines much faster. Then the scanning or importing or what you want to call it could be a much more transparent thing. Another thing they never managed automatic discovery of new music to work ? This was in the development for a while, that you just added files to wherever you stored them and SBS/LMS would find them by itself without user intervention . They never managed to get thier dB consistent regarding how or when you scanned or added files, hence why many users completly rescan their library on a schedule ?? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;671343 Wrote: 1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably on any of my computers 2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play music, having the server in another room turned on is fine but that's never going to be running Windows. 3. I don't want to control the music from a computer, I always have access to a iPhone, iPad or IR remote in the listening room but I don't always have direct access to a computer and if I had it would be a WiFi conected laptop with limited harddisc space that can't contain all my FLAC music files. However, I do understand that MediaMonkey could be an excellent choice for everyone that have a stationary computer in their listening room, but these people should really also consider an Apple solution using AppleTV or AirPort Express as these works a lot better when being controlled from a computer than devices like Squeezebox/Sonos. You don't have to. As far as I am concerned, messing with weird platforms means looking for problems. That's why I usually stick with standard computers with Windows or Linux, never weird NAS. As far as multimedia is concerned, I'd stick with Windows, and the vast majority of users do so. When I need a software which only runs on Windows and has server capabilities, and if you really want Linux, just install something like Virtualbox on your Linux server, so it runs Windows as a distinct machine. In the end, you don't need desktop computer. Just the smartphone app to control your remote Monkey server. You have Linux server and virtual Windows on your physical machine located elsewhere. (This is basic stuff for computer guys, I agree it is not for non-tech, but if you are not tech-aware, itis wise to stick with Windows). You will answer that there is nothing for OSX ... Well, you can use virtualbox on OSX as well as with Linux, and frankly speaking, when you are an Apple people, it is much better to stick with Apple software an Apple devices. Apple is very nice, but it is certainly not meant to work flawlessly with non Apple stuff. Squeezeboxes are not Apple stuff. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671344 Wrote: Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS? If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential* features to me. The more I read your posts, the more I wonder why you haven't gone the Apple AE + Airfoil way, since it would have let you using any software you want to manage your library... -Edit: Erland shot faster than me. ;-)- Mac and Linux yes. If you can mess with Linux, you have no problem which such basic stuff as virtual machines. QNAP NAS ? well for multimedia server, I call it looking for problems and I can do nothing for you. The more I read your posts, the more I think you should stick with LMS and should not pay attention to alternative solutions :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671344 Wrote: If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential* features to me. You illustrate what Erland said, and I agree with him. One of the biggest problem which led LMS where it is, is people only paying attention to their own needs, not asking themselves if it push the software in the right direction. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671361 Wrote: Mac and Linux yes. If you can mess with Linux, you have no problem which such basic stuff as virtual machines. Okay, so it clearly doesn't work on any of these platforms natively. LMS does at the moment, and doesn't require running funky virtualization software, paying expensive licences to Microsoft, or upgrading hardware (RAM expansion at least) to get it running perfectly well. And you dare saying I'm the one looking for problems, here? :D nicolas75;671361 Wrote: One of the biggest problem which led LMS where it is, is people only paying attention to their own needs, not asking themselves if it push the software in the right direction. Faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais. You're exactly telling us that LMS should suit YOUR NEEDS. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In an expended user base if squeezeboxes get real mainstream win would be dominant but not in the current user-base . Some old tread presented stats from mysqueezebox.com 30%-40% win the rest linux(includes wierd NAS distros)+mac . I certainly don't use a nas (I'm not into pain). But my server has no gui So no x system nowhere to have a virtual windows desktop it's command line only and has no monitor or keyboard. Hence the web-UI it's made to run on anything as a background service and can be reached remotely. Having MM or foobar2000 to provide the music would have my yet agin be using my destop for music playback it's size noise and power consumption would make unattractive . Having a better PC frontend to make playlist and manage stuff would be an improvement thou. For that I could run one more virtual ( I have one to cater for my iPad ugh :-/ with urgh iTunes, but it has an excellent app that makes any mutiremote including logitechs harmony etc completely obsolete + iPeng of-course , otherwise I've would have gone android ). To make every one happy their should simply be alternatives and it is possible to make alternatives MonkeySqueeze is proof of that . To use the Touch as a soundcard it would be possible to invent some app that could be added on to it and a corresponding driver for a virtual soundcard on the PC. it is open source I quite surprised that it have not been hijacked for this purpose yet. But what makes the squeezebox PC sound driver independent is the fact that it is the player that plays the file not the server it only serves it . This is what making the effort to integrate it as a plugin to MM or foobar2000 or winamp or whatever a bit tricky . Normally a PC software plays the file and it goes via the OS soundsystem and drivers to a soundcard . But not in LMS the actual playback is done on the squeezebox player itself the file/stream is sent there and buffered and decoded and played . That you can see track progress on the web-UI is because the player reports that back to the server (such info is also used for syncing, server must know where everyone is to sync and keep the players aligned). -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671354 Wrote:
You don't have to.
As far as I am concerned, messing with weird platforms means looking
for problems.
That's why I usually stick with standard computers with Windows or
Linux, never weird NAS.
I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one
shouldn't try to run LMS on a NAS, it just causes too much issues and
bad performance. I'm talking about Linux and OSX servers which is all I
have.
I already use Windows in VirtualBox from time to time, but it isn't
stable enough to use as music server. Let's just face it, Windows is a
desktop operating system and not a server operating system, they have
tried to make it work as a server but there are a lot of issues with
using it that way, at least as long as you aren't a Windows geek and
know how to configure it to run smoothly as a server.
MediaMonkey on a Windows desktop computer is probably working great and
might be a good solution for people with a stationary Windows computer,
but it's important to remember that most non geeks are getting a laptop
or tablet these days when their current computer is getting old, and a
Wifi connected Windows laptop or tablet is not the best server device
for a trouble free Squeezebox setup. It's also not the best way to
store a large music library as laptop drives tends to be limited in
size.
What we need to reach the non geeks is a player which can take music
from a Windows shared drive or a USB drive, pretty much what Sonos
already provide today. If the Squeezebox Touch hardware was faster and
had more memory it would be able to do this but it doesn't work with
its current very limited hardware. But it's pretty pointless to discuss
it here because most people on these forums are geeks in one way or
another and want to run a separate server and doesn't want the
Squeezebox to be simplified to fit the masses as it means we will also
loose flexibility and advanced features.
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sebp;671364 Wrote: Faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais. You're exactly telling us that LMS should suit YOUR NEEDS (edit: and don't give a damn what other people's are, just to be clear). Absolutely not. I am telling that LMS should suit the needs of NON-GEEK people. Obviously those needs are not yours. There are crowds of customers fed up with SBS/LMS, and nobody can seriously say that this software is satisfying, except for geeks. You are happy with QNAP ? people are happy for you (seriously) You are happy with LMS ? people are happy for you (seriously) Nobody is going to tell you to change if that suit yours needs. Now crowds of non geek people are fed up with SBS/LMS and those software are a big failure for Logitech. Everybody is wondering if it has a future or not, what a success ... For the first time in more than 4 years, I have the best experience I have ever had with squeezeboxes, the less frustrating one. The simple fact that a solution could be satisfying for the vast majority people, but not for your geek configuration, seems to make you angry. That's now that I am satisfied, than a bunch of people like you come to tell me I should not use a squeezebox. When I read your posts, and some others, it seems that you would prefer almost everybody unhappy and frustrated, than fully satisfied with a solution you don't like. What is the problem with people like you ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;671371 Wrote: I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one shouldn't try to run LMS on a NAS, it just causes too much issues and bad performance. I'm talking about Linux and OSX servers which is all I have. I already use Windows in VirtualBox from time to time, but it isn't stable enough to use as music server. Let's just face it, Windows is a desktop operating system and not a server operating system, they have tried to make it work as a server but there are a lot of issues with using it that way, at least as long as you aren't a Windows geek and know how to configure it to run smoothly as a server. MediaMonkey on a Windows desktop computer is probably working great and might be a good solution for people with a stationary Windows computer, but it's important to remember that most non geeks are getting a laptop or tablet these days when their current computer is getting old, and a Wifi connected Windows laptop or tablet is not the best server device for a trouble free Squeezebox setup. It's also not the best way to store a large music library as laptop drives tends to be limited in size. What we need to reach the non geeks is a player which can take music from a Windows shared drive or a USB drive, pretty much what Sonos already provide today. If the Squeezebox Touch hardware was faster and had more memory it would be able to do this but it doesn't work with its current very limited hardware. But it's pretty pointless to discuss it here because most people on these forums are geeks in one way or another and want to run a separate server and doesn't want the Squeezebox to be simplified to fit the masses as it means we will also loose flexibility and advanced features. I am surprised you have problems with virtual windows. I use professionally virtual servers with various Linux flavors, and Windows (XP, Seven, 2008 Server, etc ...) without stability problems. I had not pay attention to yout SMD thread, may be it is a better thread to discuss about that, be here are the first thoughts coming to my mind. As far as Windows is concerned, don't reinvent the wheel, MediaMonkey is fine, can satisfy most needs, can be an effective solution, and is a proof of concept that interfacing a good software with Squeezebox can be achieved. There are others softwares for Windows, may be as good as MediaMonkey. There is just to make the same thing for them. I read very quickly about SMD and may be what I will say is pointless, but anyway ... A lot of people asked MediaMonkey for a Linux version and open source code. They always refused, and (I think it is a wise answer) said there is no secret here, that a good software team can develop a MediaMonkey for Linux with good management and good understanding of user interface. If every geek rush in to develop his own weird idea, they will probably ruin the concept. If I get it right, you need a MediaMonkey like software for Linux, with decent library management. Two options : - it already exists, make the MonkeySqueeze-like for it - it doesn't exist, start the project, but don't limit it to Squeezeboxes If you want people to help, you need a much wider use of it. It should be able to control Squeezeboxes, but also others devices, soundcards, external dacs ... I doubt you will find a lot of useful contributors if it is limited to a specific product line, which future is questioned. As far as I am concerned, I would start with Windows, desktop, server, virtual or not. Then check if there is a good equivalent software for Linux. If there is none, there may be a reason for that ... not enough demand, or geeks simply not able to come with good understanding of what is a user interface. If there is really no other solution, that means you have to be the manager for the Linux MediaMonkey ... that is a big project ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671367 Wrote: But my server has no gui So no x system nowhere to have a virtual windows desktop it's command line only and has no monitor or keyboard. Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote computers. It is even the most common way to control them. There is absolutely no problem there. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671439 Wrote: What is the problem with people like you ? People like you, I guess. You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly happy with the server software for years, even if there were some glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found in plugins). Who are you to tell me that I must stop using my players the way I've always done? -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671449 Wrote: Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote computers. It is even the most common way to control them. There is absolutely no problem there. [Edit] why don't you install X11 and desktop so you can have easy graphical remote access and configuration ? it makes things so much easier ... it not needed it's a very simple server all it does is LMS the server OS has it own web based admin interface it is basically made to not have a desktop or monitor it is very easy to admin I basically do nothing with it, I upgrade LMS/SBS the OS minds it own business automatically I just installed it there is rarely anything to adjust ever. The players boot it via WOL so I don't need to touch it's power button. I don't want a GUI overhead virtuals on that 1,2ghZ single core via cpu is a no go . The whole point with a headless server is that it is just that, a square small box sitting in a corner/basement/closet it appaers as share/fileserver on my desktop thats how I add music to it . Your sugestion is extremely messy for my needs consider that some user actually wants a distributed solution . I abonded the pc centric way of playing music because i don't like it . SBS/LMS makes my files available to me on my players so it works for me . They way I organize my music does not require any folder browsing at all. all my music is already on the server, I don't need to constantly manage music only when I add new stuff and that is a quick operation imo . It takes time the rip and tag or download and tag and a couple of minutes extra to add it to the server so what ? guess which part that uses least time and effort ;) Downloading ripping and tagging is done on my desktop computer, I used to run the server on that too but is to noisy and power hungry ( I can hear it from my listening room ) Then i simply put them on my network share who is the music folder LMS uses , browse to the new album via a player and listen to it or (start a new and changed scan if it's a whole bunch of albums I add) And as I said the server is a network share so tag adjusting or some file maintance can be done from my destop without much fuzz . I may clarify my setup I got one Linux desktop and one barebones Linux server this server runs LMS . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671471 Wrote: People like you, I guess. You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly happy with the server software for years, even if there were some glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found in plugins). Who are you to tell me that I must stop using my players the way I've always done? Who am I to tell you that you must stop using your players the way you've always done ? Are you kidding ? I specifically told you everybody (including me) is happy for you if you keep on using it the way you do, since you seem to be satisfied with it. I specifically said that this is the same for all those ones who are satisfied with it. I said you should continue to use it the way you do, and not loose your time with alternative solutions going against your most important requirements. I rewrite exactly what I wrote : The more I read your posts, the more I think you should stick with LMS and should not pay attention to alternative solutions http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=671361postcount=72 Nobody is going to tell you to change if that suit yours needs. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=671439postcount=77 I have no problem understanding that some people can be happy with LMS. But I do know a lot of people are frustrated with SBS/LMS and I do think there is no way they can be satisfied using it the way you do. So once again, keep on using it the way you do. But please, do not prevent people who do not share your views to try the excellent work of MonkeySqueeze developers. Because all in all, sorry if I am a bit harsh, you simply imply that MonkeySqueeze excellent work is useless crap, just because you don't like Windows. I would even say I think you are nearly insultant towards MonkeySqueeze authors work. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671479 Wrote: ... I don't want a GUI overhead virtuals on that 1,2ghZ single core via cpu is a no go . ... Your sugestion is extremely messy for my needs consider that some user actually wants a distributed solution . I abonded the pc centric way of playing music because i don't like it . SBS/LMS makes my files available to me on my players so it works for me . ... Well I'd say that if you are happy with what you have, the best is to stick with it ... As far as I am concerned, Linux becomes a problem as soon as you need softwares not available on Linux. When I don't need them Linux can be the best. When I do need them and cannot find the equivalent for Linux, I'd rather use Windows. I have no religion about that. In my opinion, when you see how small and silent is something like a Asrock NetTop, I have no problem hiding it behind a TV or on a shelf, use Windows, and basta ... Different people have different needs, and there are different solutions, not a single one. It is as simple as that. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671491 Wrote: But please, do not prevent people who do not share your views to try the excellent work of MonkeySqueeze developers. Because all in all, sorry if I am a bit harsh, you simply imply that MonkeySqueeze excellent work is useless crap, just because you don't like Windows. I would even say I think you are nearly insultant towards MonkeySqueeze authors work. Err, where have I said anything about MonkeySqueeze? My only point is that you're calling now, and already have been before, Logitech to stop developing SBS/LMS as we know it today, to move to a Windows centric product. And that would really suck for all of us using non Windows-based systems if they hear you. Dot. If you want Logitech to sell more Squeezebox, rather ask them to make mysqueezebox.com more reliable and add more and more online services. Because that's what normal people expect from such a device today. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sebp;671521 Wrote: If you want Logitech to sell more Squeezebox, rather ask them to make mysqueezebox.com more reliable and add more and more online services. Because that's what normal people expect from such a device today. yes having local files in the first place is for the really interested/geeks today. All other use spotify/napstert/MOG whatever . It's was rather common where I live before spotify, there where no music services I think spotify has local monopoly here but wimp have emerged as competition. US citizen are more fortunate they had a variety of streaming services for years . People cant be bothered to torrent when they have spotify , thats it . And ripping CD's crew old when iTunes store opened . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;670946 Wrote: Sorry not for me ... The clock was wrong, not the same time than the computer. And since I was playing flac files from the USB stick, there is no doubt I was running TinySC, not MySB. May be just starting LMS, without connecting to it, is enough to make the option appear. It seems to me there was something like that to have some Erland's plugins available for install Now that it is in the home menu, I always have it with TinySC, but not before. Unless Touch is actually connected to LMS then LMS cannot communicate anything to the Touch, certainly not give Touch an added menu item Touch by itself is lacking. Plugins are not usable on TinySC, so again unrelated. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671061 Wrote: Unless Touch is actually connected to LMS then LMS cannot communicate anything to the Touch, certainly not give Touch an added menu item Touch by itself is lacking. Plugins are not usable on TinySC, so again unrelated. I am talking about a plugin developed by Erland to suppress any kind of automatic scan. It was especially useful for TinySC and Erland developed it after I asked him for TinySC. I actually used it with TinySC 7.6.1, so guess this plugin is usable on TinySC :) It seems to me than when I tried to install it on TinySC, I couldn't find it, and following Erland's advice, I had to start LMS, and the plugin was magically available ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671068 Wrote: LMS necesseraly communicate with TinySC in some basic way, because when both are available, you have the option to switch from TinySC to LMS, so TinySC knows LMS is available No magic there, it is simple TCP/IP discovery, both Touch and LMS (ie your computer) are simply broadcasting there presence, nothing more. Same as your WiFi being seen by your device (SB player, computer, whatever), just because they see each other does not mean they are connected to each other. Or a simple DLNA device seeing a new server on your network. But they are not connected until you manually connect them. And they certainly are not sending configuration changes to each other, if not actually connected to each other. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671071 Wrote: No magic there, it is simple TCP/IP discovery, both Touch and LMS (ie your computer) are simply broadcasting there presence, nothing more. Same as your WiFi being seen by your device (SB player, computer, whatever), just because they see each other does not mean they are connected to each other. Or a simple DLNA device seeing a new server on your network. But they are not connected until you manually connect them. And they certainly are not sending configuration changes to each other, if not actually connected to each other. ;) I have some network knowledge, and know how TCP/IP and Wifi works :) Well call it whatever you want and explain it however you like. (the word magically was ironic) I could install the plugin after starting SBS (7.6.1 was SBS). I saw the option Switch to MySB appear after starting LMS 7.7.0 And well, unlike what you said, plugin was actually usable with TinySC. So I guess it is not because you say something is impossible that it is actually impossible :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671068 Wrote: I am talking about a plugin developed by Erland to suppress any kind of automatic scan. It was especially useful for TinySC and Erland developed it after I asked him for TinySC. I actually used it with TinySC 7.6.1, so guess this plugin is usable on TinySC :) nicolas75;671072 Wrote: . And well, unlike what you said, plugin was actually usable with TinySC. So I guess it is not because you say something is impossible that it is actually impossible :) Sorry, but you are mistaken. If you are talking about Erlands fix to the TinySC no scan issue/fix, that is NOT a plugin, it is a PATCH installed directly onto the Touch itself via the Patch Installer Applet. Plugins are NOT usable in TinySC. Neither did Erland say anything like you are claiming. All he said was that in order to download the patch your Touch must be connected to either SBS or TinySC. Nowhere does he say nor acknowledge that SBS must be running to install this patch, even if your Touch is NOT connected to SBS. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671072 Wrote: I have some network knowledge, and know how TCP/IP and Wifi works :) Well call it whatever you want and explain it however you like. (the word magically was ironic) Well, if you know how it works then you would not be making the claims you are making. ;) Two network devices simply saying hello, I'm here is very different than two network devices actually sending software code to each other where one of those devices receives an actual GUI change. Two very different things. If network devices communicated in the manner which you are stating then networking in general is in BIG trouble. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Sorry, what I called a plugin was a patch, and was installed through a plugin. You are right about that. We could go on playing with words, but I don't think it is really funny for anyone. Unlike what you say, the option Swith to MySB was actually NOT available on my Touch when connected to TinySC (I was playing flac files from the USB stick). I had to disconnect the USB stick to switch to MySB. There is no serious reason to say this behavior is impossible, and I actually saw it. You know, the big problem with SBS/LMS on this forum is that it seems you often have to dive into endless discussions with people DENYING FACTS, or explaining that absurd behavior is normal and acceptable. Fortunately, and thanks to MonkeySqueeze, I hope that I won't have to bother with LMS interface features any more, and so, that this kind of discussion is over for me :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671076 Wrote: Sorry, what I called a plugin was a patch, and was installed through a plugin. You are right about that... You know, the big problem with SBS/LMS on this forum is that it seems you often have to dive into endless discussions with people DENYING FACTS, or explaining that absurd behavior is normal and acceptable. I think you mean ... and was NOT installed through a plugin. Then you misunderstand the forums. :) People try to help others, part of that help is explaining the basic architecture of the SB system (hardware software) and share experiences. Denying goes both ways. Like trying to explain to you that a plugin cannot run on TinySC, a fact you denied through several posts? My effort was to try to help you understand the difference so you can garner more use out of the Touch itself and understand what can and cannot be done with the hardware software. My explanation of moving the switch to MySB menu item within TinySC was based on my experience in doing so, the knowledge it is possible, and common sense. If you say it was not present then it wasn't. But as I know it is possible and I know the usual reasons why it may not work (Touch mistakenly on MySB or Touch not updated) it is only common sense to suggest those as potential issues. If your Touch hardware is the one unit that was correctly updated and correctly connected to TinySC yet did not offer this feature, it may well be a unique anomaly. But experience and common sense tell me otherwise, and I cannot give advice for such unique anomalies. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671081 Wrote: Then you misunderstand the forums. :) People try to help others, part of that help is explaining the basic architecture of the SB system (hardware software) and share experiences. About what is useful and really helps ... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=669304postcount=26 -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671105 Wrote: About what is useful and really helps ... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=669304postcount=26 Well perhaps after you read Mnyb's other 7,600+ forum posts you will come to a different conclusion. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671110 Wrote: Well perhaps after you read Mnyb's other 7,600+ forum posts you will come to a different conclusion. ;) I read a lot of them as well as yours. It confirms my conclusion about what's helpful or not, and not mistake quantity vs quality. To be honest, I knew that before, since I have been developing softwares way more complicated than LMS for quite a lot of time (slimdevices was not even existing ... :) ) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671120 Wrote: I read a lot of them as well as yours. It confirms my conclusion about what's helpful or not, and not mistake quantity vs quality. To be honest, I knew that before, since I have been developing softwares way more complicated than LMS for quite a lot of time (slimdevices was not even existing ... :) ) aha! Another data point for my anecdotal conjecture I've reported before that posters that profess to have extensive networking or software development expertise sometimes report struggling the most with SB software and/or hardware. ;-) p.s. In my opinion, mnyb and Toby10 are certainly in the top 10 (if not top 5) most helpful people on this forum in terms of providing clear, useful advice to posters. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Everyone I have come across has been superb here. I walked in her totally blind to the system and Garym has been patient and a wealth of information. Now I just have a bad case of cataracts lol. garym;671124 Wrote: aha! Another data point for my anecdotal conjecture I've reported before that posters that profess to have extensive networking or software development expertise sometimes report struggling the most with SB software and/or hardware. ;-) p.s. In my opinion, mnyb and Toby10 are certainly in the top 10 (if not top 5) most helpful people on this forum in terms of providing clear, useful advice to posters. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;671124 Wrote: aha! Another data point for my anecdotal conjecture I've reported before that posters that profess to have extensive networking or software development expertise sometimes report struggling the most with SB software and/or hardware. ;-) p.s. In my opinion, mnyb and Toby10 are certainly in the top 10 (if not top 5) most helpful people on this forum in terms of providing clear, useful advice to posters. You know I have no problem with Squeezeboxes and networking, but I have problems to accept the poor user interface and behavior. Funny that you and them seems to have very few problems with SBS/LMS, and claim everywhere it is fantastic. That's probably why you can hardly understand why people have problems, and what is needed to avoid them having problems in the first place. So you keep spending your time giving advices and tricks, for problems which should simply not exist at all. It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make problems disappear. (asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting decent library management push them the other way). That's what I have always been doing for what I develop, and what I ask from those who work with me. If you spend so much time helping people, it is because they have a lot of problems, and if they have a lot of problems, it is because the software is not good. Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a lot people and show how good and helpful you are. But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected (instead of saying everything is great), so that people do not need you at all. That's the difference between geeks having fun, and professionals who make a living from what they develop. I started yesterday to really use MediaMonkey, because I have installed MonkeySqueeze. Honestly, I don't know why I waited so much, and how I could accept the poor library management of LMS. I have absolutely no doubt that without serious management from Logitech CEO and executives to change the geek state of mind which is behind LMS, this software is cold dead. Customers don't care how good and helpful you are. They demand a software good enough so they don't need you at all. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I am not an expert on computers, LMS or anything. From what I gather, it seems like a system that is semi-raw/rough on the edges. This has some disadvantages in that it does require a learning curve which some people are unwilling go through. I do wish the layout was more more user-friendly. On the other hand, because it is such an open system, it allows the true geeks to flourish and make it their own. After all, Logietch is geeky in itself, right? If it were a rigid, user friendly system. I think it would have the potential of become sterile. A happy medium would be ideal. Dont throw pies at me.. I did point out I am no computer expert etc etc. It just seems my perspective. My son is into Linux and he seems to prefer these type of systems. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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artintampa;671132 Wrote: I am not an expert on computers, LMS or anything. From what I gather, it seems like a system that is semi-raw/rough on the edges. This has some disadvantages in that it does require a learning curve which some people are unwilling go through. I do wish the layout was more more user-friendly. On the other hand, because it is such an open system, it allows the true geeks to flourish and make it their own. After all, Logietch is geeky in itself, right? If it were a rigid, user friendly system. I think it would have the potential of become sterile. A happy medium would be ideal. Dont throw pies at me.. I did point out I am no computer expert etc etc. It just seems my perspective. My son is into Linux and he seems to prefer these type of systems. Geeks love to say that, but nothing could be more wrong. A good software is flexible as well as user friendly. As far as I can tell, out of 10 developers, only 1 or 2 is really good (if you are lucky) The real thing is that developing good user interface is not fun, it is tedious, it requires WORK. Above all, it requires you understand customers expectations, something they are usually totally unable to do. Well I shouldn't complain too much about that. When you are good at that nowadays, it is really easy to be very successfull :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote: You know I have no problem with Squeezeboxes and networking, but I have problems to accept the poor user interface and behavior.. I'd add poor documentation to that as well. This is an area that has always been lacking with these devices. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671139 Wrote: I'd add poor documentation to that as well. This is an area that has always been lacking with these devices. :( That's true, but I'd add another thing developers usually don't like. The RTFM thing is stupid. When a user interface is good and clear, you should almost never have to read the documentation ... When I try a new software I always start to run it without reading the doc. If I find it difficult to understand without the doc, I know it is not for non tech people. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote: . Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a lot people and show how good and helpful you are. But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected (instead of saying everything is great), so that people do not need you at all. I think if you look at the top posters in here compared to the top bug/enhancement contributors, they are likely the very same people. ;) The bug/enhancement section gets real issues data directly to the actual (sadly few) developers. Whereas in here it's almost exclusively fellow SB users. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671140 Wrote: ... When I try a new software I always start to run it without reading the doc. . We're guys! Who reads manuals! :) But there are indeed glaring omissions in their minimal docs manuals. A quick example: Right out of the box for initial setup on both the SB3 Boom if you enter an incorrect character (MySB info, SSID, encryption) there is no mention of how to correct this. As expected, the fix is simple, but not documented. That's the kind of stuff I am referring too, especially if you want the SB to be more main stream for the avg user. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;671143 Wrote: I think if you look at the top posters in here compared to the top bug/enhancement contributors, they are likely the very same people. ;) The bug/enhancement section gets real issues data directly to the actual (sadly few) developers. Whereas in here it's almost exclusively fellow SB users. Don't misinterpret me,I know the dev resources for LMS is a joke, compare to all they have to do. Nobody should put the blame on the 2 of them (I guess Andrew and Michael are the only ones left) But top posters don't enter the right bugs ... The problem is that those top posters expectations are everything but Logitech target market expectations. In my opinion, allowing to suppress any scan is the top priority (most problems are scanning problems). If I were in charge of that today, given the current situation, I would forget about reinventing the wheel. LMS cannot compete anyhow with most media servers available today. Windows is the main platform, and MediaMonkey (only available on Windows) is years ahead of LMS, with community, plugins, etc ... Number one priority would be to improve as much as possible MonkeySqueeze. For those who want to stay on Linux and care a lot about sync, etc ..., well they still have LMS and seem happy with it. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote: You know I have no problem with Squeezeboxes and networking, but I have problems to accept the poor user interface and behavior. Funny that you and them seems to have very few problems with SBS/LMS, and claim everywhere it is fantastic. That's probably why you can hardly understand why people have problems, and what is needed to avoid them having problems in the first place. So you keep spending your time giving advices and tricks, for problems which should simply not exist at all. It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make problems disappear. (asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting decent library management push them the other way). That's what I have always been doing for what I develop, and what I ask from those who work with me. If you spend so much time helping people, it is because they have a lot of problems, and if they have a lot of problems, it is because the software is not good. Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a lot people and show how good and helpful you are. But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected (instead of saying everything is great), so that people do not need you at all. That's the difference between geeks having fun, and professionals who make a living from what they develop. I am quite certain none of you is a professional software manager (and a good professional software manager has to be an excellent software developer) I started yesterday to really use MediaMonkey, because I have installed MonkeySqueeze. Honestly, I don't know why I waited so much, and how I could accept the poor library management of LMS. I have absolutely no doubt that without serious management from Logitech CEO and executives to change the geek state of mind which is behind LMS, this software is cold dead. Customers don't care how good and helpful you are. They demand a software good enough so they don't need you at all. I really have to disagree with your primary points here. First I agree with you that SbS and LMS are quite poor interfaces relative to many other interfaces I've used for music management. Even itunes is a better interface in my opinion. And I've used a lot of interfaces (itunes, winamp, foobar2000 (my favorite, once I figured it out)). Although once I switched to ipeng or squeezepad I find the interface there very user friendly and I rarely even look at the webGUI for SbS or LMS. I've even used mediamonkey/monkeysqueeze and liked it as well. As an interface to SbS I recall having lots of issues because of synching different players, gapless, delays between tracks, etc. Perhaps all that has been solved in newer versions. But for your other points, this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for asking logitech to fix or change anything. There are forums and bugzilla for that. I'm not a big bug/enhancement poster, but I've certainly added my share of bug requests (and voted on others) and added enhancement requests. That is the appropriate forum for trying to improve things. In terms of communicating your opinions, etc. to logitech as a company there are two OFFICIAL forums that are read by logitech employees. These are at: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/bd-p/squeezeboxplayers http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/bd-p/mysqueezebox Just because users here try to help other users navigate some of the odd things that pop up with the software or hardware doesn't mean they are fanboys and think SbS and LMS are simply perfect. My reading of this forum over the years suggests a very different interpretation. I'd personally switch to a different platform in a heartbeat if it was easier to use and did everything I wanted. My investment in SB hardware is extensive, but frankly trivial in the scheme of things, at least for me. I've had minor issues with SB stuff over the years, but generally everything just works. And my files are tagged properly, work in itunes, foobar, winamp, etc. I shouldn't feel guilty because somehow I have a robust network that causes no issues, my library seems to work well, and SbS and LMS are not causing me any issues. Most things have frankly been plug and play for me. Am I just lucky. Maybe so. I certainly have no expertise in networking or software other than just being a user. And I can program a DVR to record a show on TV. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag
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garym;671158 Wrote: this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for asking logitech to fix or change anything. That's the usual fanboy complaint when users are not happy and complain on those forums. I totally disagree. In my opinion, on slimdevices forums, people are talking about slimdevices (now Logitech) products and softwares. They can tell if they are happy, unhappy, why, what they would like, what they don't like, share their feelings or expectations. Talk about Squeezeboxes competition. Logitech developers sometimes post here, so it is not stupid to tell what you would like ... You can even ask for help if you want, and help others if you can !!! And I certainly forget a lot. May I point out that the title of this forum section is General Discussion ... :) I know english is not my native language, but I think I roughly understand the meaning of those words. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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My intitial reason for buying squeezbox products is that the 'duet' was relatively inexpensive. I was always very disatisfied with the sound. The duet started having issues (many issues) that simply became more frustrating than it was worth. I started to do research on an alternative. I considered the Marantz but found it very limited in it's functions. The high end audio magazines seem to give the Transporter rave reviews. I've always wanted to build a music library but wasnt about to spend that kind of effort if the duet was my only option. When I got the transporter running using Pandora (knowing it wasnt a great quality music source), I was intrigued enough to pursue using the server as my cd orginzier and now has become my main source of music. I honestly didnt anticipate it to be so involved but every step of the way has left me with a huge smile. I now see a stereo that was used on occassion become the center of entertainment during the weekend again and weeknights when time permits. Because of my extra activities, besides work, I find my time to be very limited and usually run out of gas by the end of the day. You guys(special thanks to Garym) have made me happy to have made this purchase which by now I would have questioned. I hope I didnt derail the discussion too much. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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artintampa;671173 Wrote: I hope I didnt derail the discussion too much. Since you are the original poster, I guess we are (may be especially me) the ones who derailed the discussion :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote: It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make problems disappear. (asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting decent library management push them the other way). That's what I have always been doing for what I develop, and what I ask from those who work with me. If you spend so much time helping people, it is because they have a lot of problems, and if they have a lot of problems, it is because the software is not good. Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a lot people and show how good and helpful you are. But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected (instead of saying everything is great), so that people do not need you at all. That's the difference between geeks having fun, and professionals who make a living from what they develop. I am quite certain none of you is a professional software manager (and a good professional software manager has to be an excellent software developer) I started yesterday to really use MediaMonkey, because I have installed MonkeySqueeze. Honestly, I don't know why I waited so much, and how I could accept the poor library management of LMS. I have absolutely no doubt that without serious management from Logitech CEO and executives to change the geek state of mind which is behind LMS, this software is cold dead. Customers don't care how good and helpful you are. They demand a software good enough so they don't need you at all. Why not :) but you cant really tell logitech in this forum it's end user to end user with semi official participation of 2 of the devs on occasions . and not the official forum , no manager or any other person with influence ever reads these forums? (Supose we are here because no one localized the server and binned it yet, or maybe it is hidden behind Andys paperbasket). It is known to us that there is barely a skeleton crew left they can barely maintain status quo , so kicking at the devs for not living in this world or similar snide remarks does not help . The 2,5 devs we see here is most likely all there is ? May I suggests the official forum it is visited by the likevise understaffed support people (and sadly ignorant so folks come here for amateur support as you have noticed ). http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox/ct-p/squeezebox It's excellent for rants, and has greater probability to reach management levels Nobody denies that the software is lacking ? but it's getting old quick we know. You noticed the general consensus on the tiny server don't use it consider another solution imo you don't get much out of it. Even if we have very different view on what the software should be, lets face it it's actually going nowhere right now in either direction (there is no direction). My pow is that the server is a good foundation to controll and stream to all players , but my favored UI is also third party . I use mostly iPeng or SqueezePad . Library management works for me I mostly add files to growing library it is not in constant flux (then I would have problem ) kind of neat library like a collection if you get it, visitors stuff simply gets added to it. They where once a lot of people and the development was faster and new players emerged to keep up the interest, and new services. The known agenda now is bugfixes and better MOG app and then nothing ? So is there something wrong with helping each other and make good use of what there is instead of just ranting. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The problem is resolved all the rest of the information from that point on has been very informational which is something that in this topic I could surely use! I find myself reading just to see if I catch anything through osmosis lol nicolas75;671175 Wrote: Since you are the original poster, I guess we are (may be especially me) the ones who derailed the discussion :) -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671172 Wrote: That's the usual fanboy complaint when users are not happy and complain on those forums. I totally disagree. In my opinion, on slimdevices forums, people are talking about slimdevices (now Logitech) products and softwares. They can tell if they are happy, unhappy, why, what they would like, what they don't like, share their feelings or expectations. Talk about Squeezeboxes competition. Logitech developers sometimes post here, so it is not stupid to tell what you would like ... You can even ask for help if you want, and help others if you can !!! And I certainly forget a lot. May I point out that the title of this forum section is General Discussion ... :) I know english is not my native language, but I think I roughly understand the meaning of those words. You're wrong. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I gave you the links to the OFFICIAL logitech squeezebox forums. They are different. The forums we are posting in now are the old slimdevices forums that logitech was nice enough to leave open for users to talk with other users. And yes a few developers hang out here to deal with beta issues etc. But even they will tell you in posts that if you really want them to look at anything, you MUST post a bug or enhancement request. Seems crystal clear to me. And yes, this is general discussion and you can post anything you want. It's a public forum. But if you are in fact serious about trying to help improve SbS/LMS you should be using the other approaches I mentioned. If you simply want to call into question the good motives of the helpful users that post here and whine about what you don't like about the software without any possibility of helping IMPROVE the software, then keep posting here. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;671180 Wrote: So is there something wrong with helping each other and make good use of what there is instead of just ranting. There is nothing wrong in helping each other. There is something wrong saying no other discussion should be allowed (Garym words, not yours ...) I experienced other forums about others products where everybody was helping each others, and saying the products were excellent. In the end (the product was not bad, but nothing excellent either), I found out that it was REALLY forbidden to rant about the product, but that this was never said anywhere ... :) A right place is the one where you can when you are satisfied and rant when you are not. If you check about MonkeySqueeze on this forum, you will see I am not exactly ranting about it. I doubt I would have found about MonkeySqueeze, looking on Logitech official forum, instead of ranting here. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;671182 Wrote: You're wrong. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I gave you the links to the OFFICIAL logitech squeezebox forums. They are different. The forums we are posting in now are the old slimdevices forums that logitech was nice enough to leave open for users to talk with other users. And yes a few developers hang out here to deal with beta issues etc. But even they will tell you in posts that if you really want them to look at anything, you MUST post a bug or enhancement request. Seems crystal clear to me. And yes, this is general discussion and you can post anything you want. It's a public forum. But if you are in fact serious about trying to help improve SbS/LMS you should be using the other approaches I mentioned. If you simply want to call into question the good motives of the helpful users that post here and whine about what you don't like about the software without any possibility of helping IMPROVE the software, then keep posting here. I don't know if I am wrong but I know we totally disagree :) I do consider, and explained it elsewhere, that it is complaining that makes a product improve. Professionally, complaining customers make me improve products. Fanboys certainly not. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;671182 Wrote: I gave you the links to the OFFICIAL logitech squeezebox forums. Guess what ? I knew them and I have already posted there :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671183 Wrote: There is nothing wrong in helping each other. There is something wrong saying no other discussion should be allowed (Garym words, not yours ...) I've NEVER said that a person couldn't discuss anything they wanted on these forums. You are the one that attack others for helping solve problems with the existing software rather than demanding that the software be improved. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about something so nothing I or anyone else has to say can remove that. So how about you're right and we're all wrong. Happy now. Good. Have a good day. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;671186 Wrote: I've NEVER said that a person couldn't discuss anything they wanted on these forums. You are the one that attack others for helping solve problems with the existing software rather than demanding that the software be improved. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about something so nothing I or anyone else has to say can remove that. So how about you're right and we're all wrong. Happy now. Good. Have a good day. Well I suggest you cool down and take it easy. You replied to me this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for asking logitech to fix or change anything. The fact is I understood you consider I should not be allowed to rant here. I disagree, No big deal ... I do consider a useful forum is the one where you find all opinions, good ones and bad ones. So I think it is useful information to express bad opinions. If I had found all opinions for the forum and product I talked about above, I would have saved time and money ... Now have a good day. Where I live, I will rather have a good night :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671191 Wrote: Well I suggest you cool down and take it easy. You replied to me this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for asking logitech to fix or change anything. The fact is I understood you consider I should not be allowed to rant here. I disagree, No big deal ... I do consider a useful forum is the one where you find all opinions, good ones and bad ones. So I think it is useful information to express bad opinions. If I had found all opinions for the forum and product I talked about above, I would have saved time and money ... Now have a good day. Where I live, I will rather have a good night :) You're right. Having my words being taken completely out of context is bothersome. But I'll assume it was simply a mistake on your part because english is not your first language. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote: So you keep spending your time giving advices and tricks, for problems which should simply not exist at all. It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make problems disappear. (asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting decent library management push them the other way). The issue is that we no longer have anyone to push, it's pointless to push the Logitech developers available on these forums because they are not the ones that's deciding what should be prioritized these days. It was the case 5 years ago when the Slim Devices CEO was available on these forum but it's not the case today. Bugs are best to push for through http://bugs.slimdevices.com by voting on them or by complaining at the official Logitech support at http://forums.logitech.com. Enhancement requests are not possible to push for today unless you have a personal relationship with the person who decides what should be prioritized, currently I don't even have any clue who this person is. Regarding library management I've just given up, we won't get there with Logitech because it's not what they want, I've more or less tried to push for this since 2006 and it won't happen. And just to be sure you understand what I'm saying, when I say library management I really mean library management and not library scanning. Library management requires a persistent database and doing a complete rescan is basically not something you ever do except for once initially if the software supports library management. You scan for new files but you don't do a complete rescan. SBS/LMS has no library management functions what so ever today, it has library scanning functions but not any library management functions. The community SMD project will have library management functions, but at the moment it's evolving slowly because we have too few developers that contributes actively. For some reason we have accepted that it's a good idea to do a full rescan now and then and the result is that all the focus is on the scanner instead of music related functionality. I personally want the focus to be on the music because I want the system to be good at suggesting and playing music I like, I don't care if it has to scan to do so, that's just an implementation detail and it should be completely hidden for the user. I guess I'm just trying to say that if we ever want to get this software to be user friendly for non geeks we need to stop prioritizing technical things like scanning, tagging, database backend, servers and instead focus on things like usability, streaming services, playlist management, smart playlists and features related to audio quality. nicolas75;671129 Wrote: Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a lot people and show how good and helpful you are. But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected (instead of saying everything is great). Completely agree, but to make this work you need to be able to point it out to someone that actually can do something to solve the problem, and that's clearly not the community members of this forum. nicolas75;671129 Wrote: That's the difference between geeks having fun, and professionals who make a living from what they develop. I am quite certain none of you is a professional software manager (and a good professional software manager has to be an excellent software developer) - Knowing the product is a must to be able to be an excellent software manager. - Have a good understanding of the user needs is a must to be an excellent software manager. - Being able to describe the needs to the developers is a must to be an excellent software manager. While being an excellent software developer is an advantage but it's definitely not the most important skill for someone managing software. In many cases it can actually be a disadvantage, because people with development background sometimes tend to focus on technology instead of users. Unfortunately, from what I've seen lately, Logitech doesn't have much of any of the above, which makes me a bit worried. They have excellent developers but they don't seem to have anyone with good understanding of the user needs that decide what to prioritize. nicolas75;671129 Wrote: I have absolutely no doubt that without serious management from Logitech CEO and executives to change the geek state of mind which is behind LMS, this software is cold dead. Agreed, Logitech is not going to keep pushing a geek product on longer terms, they will either make it less geeky or drop it completely, the main reason it's still here is probably because they are still able to sell a lot of Squeezebox units. The change has to be initiated from upper management because that's the only way it will work in a large corporation like Logitech. Unfortunately, I have some doubts regarding how many people there are in upper management that really understand the music
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nicolas75;670658 Wrote: Thanks, I found it after powering on the computer and starting LMS. But I was running TinySBS (not connected to MySB, LMS not running, computer switched off) It's on TinySC as well, same instructions. ;) Clock drift for network devices is common. Don't connect your laptop to any network for a few weeks and that laptop's clock can also drift. These are network appliances, not atomic clocks, so connection to a network is necessary for certain aspects like accurate time display. With your new MySB home menu item you are three clicks to accurate time on the Touch, as often as you wish. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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When I got home, I set the server's time. The other squeezebox picked up on it instantly. I had to unplug the Touch in order for it to reset itself and find the correct time. I'll keep an eye on it to find out how much drifting it will do if any. I use the server regularly so I am assuming the time should remain somewhat accurate. Thanks again to everyone! -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;670758 Wrote: It's on TinySC as well, same instructions. ;) Clock drift for network devices is common. Don't connect your laptop to any network for a few weeks and that laptop's clock can also drift. These are network appliances, not atomic clocks, so connection to a network is necessary for certain aspects like accurate time display. With your new MySB home menu item you are three clicks to accurate time on the Touch, as often as you wish. :) Now that it is on the main menu, I have it with TinySC. But it was really not available before (TinySC running, not connected to MySB ...) I had to start LMS and connect the Touch to LMS to make the switch to MySB option appear. I know those things are not atomic clocks, but 5 minutes within a week is a lot. I have a netbook I didn't connected to any network for two weeks, clock was fine. I also have the most cheapest toy watch you can imagine, it doesn't loose a few seconds within a month ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think that i must have caused some confusion. The 5 minutes off is not anything recent. The computer/server has been that way for a long time. Up until now I used a duet (which after several years died), then a transporter. My wife got me a Touch which when off will be displaying the time. For the first time, the time is more relevant. In other words, the time drifting is not recent. For all I know, when my son built the system about 3 years ago the time might have been off or it drifted over a 3 year period. nicolas75;670906 Wrote: Now that it is on the main menu, I have it with TinySC. But it was really not available before (TinySC running, not connected to MySB, I am sure because I was playing flac files from the USB stick ...) I had to start LMS and connect the Touch to LMS to make the switch to MySB option appear. I know those things are not atomic clocks, but 5 minutes within a week is a lot. I have a netbook I didn't connected to any network for two weeks, clock was fine. I also have the most cheapest toy watch you can imagine, it doesn't loose a few seconds within a month ... -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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artintampa;670911 Wrote: I think that i must have caused some confusion. The 5 minutes off is not anything recent. The computer/server has been that way for a long time. Up until now I used a duet (which after several years died), then a transporter. My wife got me a Touch which when off will be displaying the time. For the first time, the time is more relevant. In other words, the time drifting is not recent. For all I know, when my son built the system about 3 years ago the time might have been off or it drifted over a 3 year period. Don't worry for the confusion. There is really a problem with TinySC clock. But apparently you are not using it, so your problem was just to fix your server clock. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ok good.. sorry to butt in. I honestly didnt know what that 'tiny' thing is and not sure if I had a tiny one lol nicolas75;670913 Wrote: Don't worry for the confusion. There is really a problem with TinySC clock. But apparently you are not using it, so your problem was just to fix your server clock. -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
Touch can run a dowscaled server version when faced with attached media . so theoretically it could be your only server. but it does not have the cpu to do this is any good way if your already content with running the full version of server , forget about it . the server has it issues, but it's plugin architechture and flexibility has some apeal. But the Tiny version have none of that, you get the downsides of sbs/lms without enjouying any of it's better sides . On topic, wonder if not the clock is simply derived from the cpu clock, this can vary a lot . the clock on computers can be anything from really good to very bad depending on motherboard etc . you often do not notice as adjustment is done frequently and automatic. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
nicolas75;670906 Wrote: ... But it was really not available before (TinySC running, not connected to MySB, I am sure because I was playing flac files from the USB stick ...) ... I assure you, it was/is there in TinySC if the Touch is updated to the firmware version that allows for Home menu customization. TinySC was the first place I added that item to my Home menu. ;) Without any LMS running, using only TinySC, go to Settings Advanced Networking, guess what is there? I can only guess you were actually connected to MySB or the Touch's FW was not updated, either will result in switch to MySB not being present. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
toby10;670944 Wrote: I assure you, it was/is there in TinySC if the Touch is updated to the firmware version that allows for Home menu customization. TinySC was the first place I added that item to my Home menu. ;) Without any LMS running, using only TinySC, go to Settings Advanced Networking, guess what is there? I can only guess you were actually connected to MySB or the Touch's FW was not updated, either will result in switch to MySB not being present. Sorry not for me ... And since I was playing flac files from the USB stick, there is no doubt I was running TinySC. May be just starting LMS, without connecting to it, is enough to make the option appear. Now that it is in the home menu, I always have it with TinySC, but not before. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
nicolas75;670946 Wrote: Sorry not for me ... The clock was wrong, not the same time than the computer. And since I was playing flac files from the USB stick, there is no doubt I was running TinySC, not MySB. May be just starting LMS, without connecting to it, is enough to make the option appear. It seems to me there was something like that to have some Erland's plugins available for install Now that it is in the home menu, I always have it with TinySC, but not before. can't recall which version, but I'm pretty sure it may have been 7.6.0 or higher that allowed for menu customization. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop LMS 7.7.0 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
It gets the time from your server. Is the computer time correct? -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
artintampa;670543 Wrote: Hi, The time on the squeezebox's display is consistently 5 minutes fast. I never payed much attention to it in the past. My wife got me the Touch and when it's not in use i opted to have it display time and date. Is there a fix for this? http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164 The bug was supposed to be fixed, but it was reopened. My Touch loose several minutes a week with latest software when running TinySBS. A workaround is to temporarily connect to mysqueezebox.com to fix the clock. I just tried to switch to mysqueezebox.com to do it. This was so easy with 7.6.1 (clear option in home menu), but I am still looking how to do it with 7.7.0 after several minutes, and menu personalisation is far less clear than before ... Hopefully you can fix the clock if you connect to SBS/LMS running on your computer. The guys developping squeezeboxes interface must live somewhere on another planet ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Time is off
Thanks Nicolas and Ghostrider. I will look into the fix when I get home. I wasn't aware of the server being the source of time. I always assumed it came from Logitech somehow. This forum/community has been great with me getting my feet wet. Again thanks!! -- artintampa artintampa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91673 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
