Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Paul Webster]

Ha! So "ESP" really is involved ;)



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

ESP as in "Extrasensory Perception"?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP


Yes


Not so much ESP then. It was rather a guy currently a lot dealing with 
ESP32 (among many other things LMS!) who asked for the feature :D.

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Paul Webster]

mherger wrote: 
> > Can we have this new ESP module for use in other software?
> 
> ESP as in "Extrasensory Perception"?...
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP

Yes



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

Can we have this new ESP module for use in other software?


ESP as in "Extrasensory Perception"?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Paul Webster]

I was about to suggest (or even submit a change request) to have the
plugin list the players in alphabetic order ... and then saw an update
to the plugin ... and it has just been done!

Can we have this new ESP module for use in other software?



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[philchillbill]

It's now live after Amazon certified the voice-model changes. The new
command goes by the keyword 'transpose'.

When you say "Alexa, transpose Kitchen and Library players" the
now-playing playlist queue/timestamp and player-volume levels are
swapped between the players in question.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[philchillbill]

d6jg wrote: 
> You can achieve a "swap" if you have a third player to act as a
> temporary place to put a playlist - it doesn't need to be connected to
> anything soundwise so could be on LMS

Swap is a good idea for the MediaServer skill. I don’t need a 3rd player
to park as I can just save the playlist to a temp file and reload it.
I’ll put it on my list.





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Re: [slim] Walk with me

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chrober wrote: 
> I would appreciate a possibility to "swap" playlists between two
> players.
> 
> In particular I am thinking of a third option like "Swap playlist
> with..." (in addition to "Continue playback on..." and "Grab playback
> from...").
> This would be a great benefit. (At least for me... It happens quite
> often my kids want to continue listening their audiobooks in the exact
> room where I am just listening to what they call "daddy music" ;)).


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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Paul Webster]

While you wait ... this might work 

Create a new Group player called "Daddy's Music" and also lay via it.
Associate it with the player that you are at ... and start listening.
Then when you are told to move simply pause the group player and change
its membership to wherever you are being exiled to.

The kids' playlist can then be moved to their new destination.
You could also make a Group player called "Kid's Music" and do the same
there.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[chrober]

I would appreciate a possibility to "swap" playlists between two
players.

In particular I am thinking of a third option like "Swap playlist
with..." (in addition to "Continue playback on..." and "Grab playback
from...").
This would be a great benefit. (At least for me... It happens quite
often my kids want to continue listening their audiobooks in the exact
room where I am just listening to what they call "daddy music" ;)).



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Jaca]

rkrug wrote: 
> I am not Michael, and it has nothing directly to do with your question,
> but have you tried the “Group Players” plugin to create a group for
> the room? It might help.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 

Thanks Rainer,

Although groups plugin is awesome and I use it in different scenarios,
it isn't practical in this particular one.. 
anyway I think I'm sorted as converting fully into Material Skin which
developer kindly added requested improvements into "move queue into
another player" which is similar to "Walk with Me". 
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Rainer Krug]

I am not Michael, and it has nothing directly to do with your question, but 
have you tried the “Group Players” plugin to create a group for the room? It 
might help.


Cheers,

Rainer


> On 6 Jul 2020, at 02:41, Jaca  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Michael, 
> 
> Just wondering if it would be possible to tweak/improve "Music, Walk
> with me" a bit please?
> 
> It seems that whenever queue is transferred from sync'ed player ( both
> by grab or transfer options) original sync is changed/broken. 
> It is particularly painful when previously sync players are in one room
> (2 SB Radios in stereo pair).. One of them is stopped but other is still
> playing and now synced with transfer destination.   
> 
> I have noticed that when testing "Material Skin - Move queue to another
> player" feature which is apparently based on "Music, Walk with me" code.
> Both indeed work in same way. 
> 
> I have suggested here
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109624-Announce-Material-Skin=981009=1#post981009
> adding extra steps to remember source sync before transfer and
> restoring it after. 
> 
> I guess same behavior which is present with "Group Players" plugin which
> gives option to restore previous sync when dismantling Group. Hope that
> makes sense and its possible. 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Jaca]

Hi Michael, 

Just wondering if it would be possible to tweak/improve "Music, Walk
with me" a bit please?

It seems that whenever queue is transferred from sync'ed player ( both
by grab or transfer options) original sync is changed/broken. 
It is particularly painful when previously sync players are in one room
(2 SB Radios in stereo pair).. One of them is stopped but other is still
playing and now synced with transfer destination.   

I have noticed that when testing "Material Skin - Move queue to another
player" feature which is apparently based on "Music, Walk with me" code.
Both indeed work in same way. 

I have suggested here
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109624-Announce-Material-Skin=981009=1#post981009
adding extra steps to remember source sync before transfer and
restoring it after. 

I guess same behavior which is present with "Group Players" plugin which
gives option to restore previous sync when dismantling Group. Hope that
makes sense and its possible. 
Cheers!



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[scala]

mherger wrote: 
> 
> 
> The "grab playlist from other player"? I just released this yesterday. I
> thought. Didn't you get an update?
> 
> 

Sorry, I did not hope that you could code the upgrade so quickly. It's
there and works like a charm!
Thank you a lot, Michael!



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

Thank you Michael for your constant support!
Coming back to my earlier question, would it be feasible to implement in
MWWM a "grab playlist and shut down" feature?


Could you explain this again? Shut down what?

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[scala]

Thank you Michael for your constant support!
Coming back to my earlier question, would it be feasible to implement in
MWWM a "grab playlist and shut down" feature?



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

I have installed Music Walk With Me to try this out and after switching
a random mix between players playback stops after the tenth song. I
assume this is not meant to happen.


I looked into this, and unfortunately it's a bit more complicated than I 
thought. I can do something to mimic the behaviour of transferring the 
random play mode to the other player. But it would eg. not transfer the 
list of played tracks etc. without some changes to the RandomPlay plugin.


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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Mnyb]

scala wrote: 
> Hi
> 
> It would be great to have a function like "grab music from another
> player and shut it off", if feasible, so that I don't have to always
> walk back again to the previous room to send forward the music...!

The "other players" plugin did this , but it's not maintained and is
very likely broken .

But why walk back to the other room, use a phone or tablet as remote ?
Then walk with me becomes more useful if you forget to forward the
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[scala]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> I have installed Music Walk With Me to try this out and after switching
> a random mix between players playback stops after the tenth song. I
> assume this is not meant to happen.
In fact, I have exactly the same problem
reinholdk wrote: 
> Lucky me. Being an old-fashioned album listener I never felt the need to
> add some randomness to a playlist.
> Ever since the first CD players capable of shuffling tracks came out
> some decades ago I had no use for this feature. I always accepted the
> order given to the tracks by the artist or the record company as being
> enough random for me. :)
I was like you. But when you start to grow a very large collection of
"liquid" records, starting a random mix from time to time is a
refreshing re-discovery.  Sometimes I find myself thinking: what music
is this? Nice! I have good taste! :cool:



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[reinholdk]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> If I remember correctly if you switch a random mix playlist using Switch
> Player only the tracks currently in the playlist will be transferred and
> the playlist will not continue beyond the last track.

Lucky me. Being an old-fashioned album listener I never felt the need to
add some randomness to a playlist.
Ever since the first CD players capable of shuffling tracks came out
some decades ago I had no use for this feature. I always accepted the
order given to the tracks by the artist or the record company as being
enough random for me. :)



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

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mherger wrote: 
> > Yes, it should. I think it syncs and unsyncs, at least that's what I
> do
> > in the quick switch feature in iPeng and that will transfer the whole
> > state, not just the tracks.
> 
> Yes, that's what the plugin is doing, too.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
I have installed Music Walk With Me to try this out and after switching
a random mix between players playback stops after the tenth song. I
assume this is not meant to happen. 

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

Yes, it should. I think it syncs and unsyncs, at least that's what I do
in the quick switch feature in iPeng and that will transfer the whole
state, not just the tracks.


Yes, that's what the plugin is doing, too.

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

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Yes, it should. I think it syncs and unsyncs, at least that's what I do
in the quick switch feature in iPeng and that will transfer the whole
state, not just the tracks.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[slartibartfast]

scala wrote: 
> Thank you for the suggestion, I was using it in the past but I had
> sometimes random issues with it. Don't remember precisely now, but I
> think it was related to modifications of playlists transferred to
> another player.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, but the operation can be performed only from player_2. I want to
> perform it from player_1.
If I remember correctly if you switch a random mix playlist using Switch
Player only the tracks currently in the playlist will be transferred and
the playlist will not continue beyond the last track. Does Walk With Me
work correctly in this instance? 

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[slartibartfast]

reinholdk wrote: 
> You can use the Switch Player plugin for this. It can send or grab the
> music to/from another player.
I have had Switch Player installed for years and didn't realise you
could grab music from another player. I assumed that the switch had to
be initiated on the "playing" device. Sure enough just tried it out and
it works perfectly. 

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[scala]

reinholdk wrote: 
> You can use the Switch Player plugin for this. It can send or grab the
> music to/from another player.

Thank you for the suggestion, I was using it in the past but I had
sometimes random issues with it. Don't remember precisely now, but I
think it was related to modifications of playlists transferred to
another player.

rkrug wrote: 
> 
> I might be missing something here, but when I use Walk with me, it
> gives
> me two options:
> 
> 1) Continue playback on PLAYER_1, stop PLAYER_2
> 2) Sync to PLAYER_1
> 
> Isn't the first one you are looking for?
> 
> 

Yes, but the operation can be performed only from player_2. I want to
perform it from player_1.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

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reinholdk  writes:

> scala wrote: 
>> It would be great to have a function like "grab music from another
>> player and shut it off", if feasible, so that I don't have to always
>> walk back again to the previous room to send forward the music...!
>
> You can use the Switch Player plugin for this. It can send or grab the
> music to/from another player.

I might be missing something here, but when I use Walk with me, it gives
me two options:

1) Continue playback on PLAYER_1, stop PLAYER_2
2) Sync to PLAYER_1

Isn't the first one you are looking for?

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

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scala wrote: 
> It would be great to have a function like "grab music from another
> player and shut it off", if feasible, so that I don't have to always
> walk back again to the previous room to send forward the music...!

You can use the Switch Player plugin for this. It can send or grab the
music to/from another player.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[scala]

Hi
I don't know if this is the right place for requesting more features...
Music Walk With Me is great, but I often find myself going to another
room and only then to realize that I left the music playing behind me.
It would be great to have a function like "grab music from another
player and shut it off", if feasible, so that I don't have to always
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

And if you use iPeng 9 you don't need a plugin at all and can use it
with MySB as well :)


Well, my kids don't have iThingies. But they can handle a context menu :-P

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[pippin]

And if you use iPeng 9 you don't need a plugin at all and can use it
with MySB as well :)
But WalkWithMe is a good and pretty simple plugin, no reason not to use
it. That said: the functionality is so simple I'm not sure I would care
about deprecation.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Mnyb]

An deprecated  alternative is "other player" but it sno longer mantalet
by anyone i think ? It fetches or sends the now playing playlist between
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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[fructose]

wonderful



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[karlek]

Walk With me can be called out of the context menu and allows syncing or
switching.





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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[johtem]

What is the difference between this plugin and 'Switch Player' made by
Triode?



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[bidule]

Thank you to both of you



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[pippin]

bidule wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> Is there a CLI command to do the same thing ?
> 
> Is ther somewhere a documentation with all the CLI commands that are
> available ?
> 
> Jean

In iPeng I sync the new player and then unsync the old one. This usually
works fine, you just have to give it some additional thought when
handling groups of players and IIRC there were some issues on
MySqueezebox.com.
At least on LMS you don't have to stop the player leaving the group
because it won't continue to play.
It's actually quite simple.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[bidule]

Hello,

Is there a CLI command to do the same thing ?

Is ther somewhere a documentation with all the CLI commands that are
available ?

Jean



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Michael Herger]

Is there a CLI command to do the same thing ?


This plugin basically is a UI to the CLI's "sync" command.


Is ther somewhere a documentation with all the CLI commands that are
available ?


It's available from the LMS web UI:

http://localhost:9000/html/docs/cli-api.html

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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Otto-Wilhelm]

SlimChances wrote: 
 ;)
 
 EDIT: tried it with two players and it worked great. Thanks Michael

Does this work with LMS 7.9.0? Apparently not. I can not find a
corresponding item in the menue structure of LMS in the browser
interface.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[kidstypike]

Otto-Wilhelm wrote: 
 Does this work with LMS 7.9.0? Apparently not. I can not find a
 corresponding item in the menue structure of LMS in the browser
 interface.

Have you installed the Music Walk With Me plugin?
When installed, item should appear under My Apps.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[Otto-Wilhelm]

kidstypike wrote: 
 Have you installed the Music Walk With Me plugin?
 When installed, item should appear under My Apps.

Found it, thank you!



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[MeSue]

kidstypike wrote: 
 Problem for me is when changing players using an app (Squeeze Control in
 my case), it works fine, but you are no longer controlling the player
 you're now listening to, you need to remember to switch players in the
 app. :confused:
If you have the latest iPeng you can do this without the plugin, and it
does switch control to that player, while turning off the player you are
leaving. My only problem is that I sometimes have trouble with the swipe
gesture.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[kidstypike]

SlimChances wrote: 
 ;)
 
 EDIT: tried it with two players and it worked great. Thanks Michael

Problem for me is when changing players using an app (Squeeze Control in
my case), it works fine, but you are no longer controlling the player
you're now listening to, you need to remember to switch players in the
app. :confused:



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[kidstypike]

MeSue wrote: 
 If you have the latest iPeng you can do this without the plugin, and it
 does switch control to that player, while turning off the player you are
 leaving. My only problem is that I sometimes have trouble with the swipe
 gesture.

Yes, there's another plugin that works okay for me (Android only),
that's Switch player, switches your playlist to another player and
switches control to the player you've moved to.



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[get.amped]

Looks like a new M. Herger plugin:

Continue your listening on a different player - easily



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Re: [slim] Walk with me

[SlimChances]

get.amped wrote: 
 Looks like a new M. Herger plugin:
 
 Continue your listening on a different player - easily

Presumably it is not fully implemented as clicking on it doesn't seem to
have any effect. It is a good idea though



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