Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread mkanet

Well, for at least my purposes, I was able to get it to wok fine.  What
threw me off was that I didnt see the link to install Softsqueeze 3.6
inside SC; and, I had already uninstalled SQ 3.6.  However, it appears
having my softsqueeze files from a previous installation will still
talk to SqueezeCenter.


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread mkanet

Before upgrading to SC 7.1, I had uninstall Softsqueeze 3.6... thinking
I was would upgrade to a newer version of Softsqueeze that came with SC
7.1 (installing from the settings menu).  However, I don't see the
option to install it under SC's settings menu.  I couldn't find a
download URL for Softsqueeze 3.6... only older version.  

How do I install Softsqueeze 3.6 under SC 7.1 so it's just like all the
previous versions of SC/Slimserver?


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread kdf

 How do I install Softsqueeze 3.6 under SC 7.1 so it's just like all the
 previous versions of SC/Slimserver?

3.6 comes included in 7.1 and the webstart link is on the home page under
Extras. If you want access to the jar files, then you can find them in
HTML/EN/html/softsqueeze

Can't say I remember it ever being under settings.  When you have no
other player, you used to get a link in the current playlist section.

There hasn't been an active download site outside of the SC package since
before it was renamed to SC.

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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread mkanet

There's an option in SC/Slimserver to install Softsqueeze (under player
settings).  At least there's always been one as far back as I can
remember.  This would install the latest version of Softsqueeze,
creating a Start Menu group, adding the program in Add/remove programs
with uninstall information. I'm not sure how to do this anymore.

kdf;329581 Wrote: 
  How do I install Softsqueeze 3.6 under SC 7.1 so it's just like all
 the
  previous versions of SC/Slimserver?
 
 3.6 comes included in 7.1 and the webstart link is on the home page
 under
 Extras. If you want access to the jar files, then you can find them in
 HTML/EN/html/softsqueeze
 
 Can't say I remember it ever being under settings.  When you have no
 other player, you used to get a link in the current playlist section.
 
 There hasn't been an active download site outside of the SC package
 since
 before it was renamed to SC.
 
 -kdf


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread kdf

 There's an option in SC/Slimserver to install Softsqueeze (under player
 settings).  At least there's always been one as far back as I can
 remember.  This would install the latest version of Softsqueeze,
 creating a Start Menu group, adding the program in Add/remove programs
 with uninstall information. I'm not sure how to do this anymore.

ok, I see what you mean.  This happens when there are no players detected,
same as what appears under the current playlist section.

Since the link was added to the extras menu, I only use that.  As I have
said before, it's working fine for me.  I use it every day.

Softsqueeze IS slated to be replaced, but the idea that someone out there
is disabling it is misplaced. It isn't officially supported any longer. 
A version or two from now, there will be no more link from the home page,
but I know of now plans to deliberately disable to remove it from the
subversion repos.  Even if that were to come to pass, it's open source. 
Install JDK and Ant and you can build it yourself, changing anything you
don't like.  That part won't change.

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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread mkanet

Okay... I finally found what I was looking for.  Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, in theory... do you think Softsqueeze will
break/stop working after it's next generation replacement gets
installed?

Click to install and run SoftSqueeze.
You will notice some delay the first time you run SoftSqueeze due to
the need to download the entire SoftSqueeze application. Future uses of
the software will only download parts of the application that have been
changed, if any, and should start much quicker.
You may also be prompted to update your version of Java before
SoftSqueeze itself is started.

kdf;329587 Wrote: 
 
  There's an option in SC/Slimserver to install Softsqueeze (under
 player
  settings).  At least there's always been one as far back as I can
  remember.  This would install the latest version of Softsqueeze,
  creating a Start Menu group, adding the program in Add/remove
 programs
  with uninstall information. I'm not sure how to do this anymore.
 
 ok, I see what you mean.  This happens when there are no players
 detected,
 same as what appears under the current playlist section.
 
 Since the link was added to the extras menu, I only use that.  As I
 have
 said before, it's working fine for me.  I use it every day.
 
 Softsqueeze IS slated to be replaced, but the idea that someone out
 there
 is disabling it is misplaced. It isn't officially supported any
 longer. 
 A version or two from now, there will be no more link from the home
 page,
 but I know of now plans to deliberately disable to remove it from the
 subversion repos.  Even if that were to come to pass, it's open source.
 
 Install JDK and Ant and you can build it yourself, changing anything
 you
 don't like.  That part won't change.
 
 -kdf


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-15 Thread kdf

 Okay... I finally found what I was looking for.  Thanks.

 Just out of curiosity, in theory... do you think Softsqueeze will
 break/stop working after it's next generation replacement gets
 installed?

It may eventually fall behind on support of some features.  It is a player
type in SqueezeCenter, same as Squeezebox and Slimp3.  SB1 and Slimp3 no
longer have firmware development, so at least to that extent, Softsqueeze
should still be able to operate as well as those.  The bigger problem is
likely to be eventual changes in Java that may make the existing code
incompatible on systems with newer installs of Java, possibly affecting
playback or even the ability to launch. The source will still be available
should anyone wish to submit a patch to fix those problems in the future.


-kdf

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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread mkanet

So how does Slim Devices expect for us to test client playback via
software?

Is there a Softsqueeze version 3.7 we can download?  What's the trick
to make this work?  I have a SB Duet sitting in the other room
collecting dust; as I prefer my PC for controlling SC.


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread Pat Farrell
mkanet wrote:
  I have a SB Duet sitting in the other room
 collecting dust; as I prefer my PC for controlling SC.

This makes zero sense to me. I control my Duet/Receiver with my laptop
all the time. I use the laptop and the web interface more than I use my
Controller. Mostly because my fingers are on the laptop keyboard most of
the day, and the Controller is two feet away.

Softsqueeze has nothing to do with controlling a Receiver, or a
Transporter or a SqueezeBox.



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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread mkanet

Sorry, I didn't explain.. I use softqueeze's jar file and respective
supprt files... but actually use a superior interface to both the Duet
and Softsqueeze itself.  Unfortunately, it's softwqueeze dependant...


pfarrell;329460 Wrote: 
 mkanet wrote:
   I have a SB Duet sitting in the other room
  collecting dust; as I prefer my PC for controlling SC.
 
 This makes zero sense to me. I control my Duet/Receiver with my laptop
 all the time. I use the laptop and the web interface more than I use
 my
 Controller. Mostly because my fingers are on the laptop keyboard most
 of
 the day, and the Controller is two feet away.
 
 Softsqueeze has nothing to do with controlling a Receiver, or a
 Transporter or a SqueezeBox.
 
 
 
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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread Pat Farrell
mkanet wrote:
 Sorry, I didn't explain.. I use softqueeze's jar file and respective
 supprt files... but actually use a superior interface to both the Duet
 and Softsqueeze itself.  Unfortunately, it's softwqueeze dependant...

Well that hardly makes your Duet unusable.

Softsqueeze is being replaced, the new thing has a new name. Check the
developers' forum. Or the roadmap to see which release it is planned to
be in.

I didn't think Softsqueeze did anything more than use the standard CLI
interface, but I've  never been so unhappy with the normal Web interface
to look under the covers.

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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread mkanet

Yeah, I didnt say Duet was unusable.. pardon the analogy, but its like
the difference between driving my commute car and decked out sports
car.

I knew about the thing in development, but I didnt expect they would
take out functionality before without having the new one to take it's
place.

pfarrell;329465 Wrote: 
 mkanet wrote:
  Sorry, I didn't explain.. I use softqueeze's jar file and respective
  supprt files... but actually use a superior interface to both the
 Duet
  and Softsqueeze itself.  Unfortunately, it's softwqueeze
 dependant...
 
 Well that hardly makes your Duet unusable.
 
 Softsqueeze is being replaced, the new thing has a new name. Check the
 developers' forum. Or the roadmap to see which release it is planned
 to
 be in.
 
 I didn't think Softsqueeze did anything more than use the standard CLI
 interface, but I've  never been so unhappy with the normal Web
 interface
 to look under the covers.
 
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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread Pat Farrell
mkanet wrote:
 I knew about the thing in development, but I didnt expect they would
 take out functionality before without having the new one to take it's
 place.

Patches welcome

The CLI has been documented and open since I got my first SqueezeBox
model 1, before the 1-G graphics was released.


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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-14 Thread kdf

On 14-Aug-08, at 10:29 PM, mkanet wrote:

 I knew about the thing in development, but I didnt expect they would
 take out functionality before without having the new one to take it's
 place.


what exactly is the problem aside from a message saying it's not the  
right SS version for the SC version, and a misleading message to  
download a non-existent upgrade?
SS out of the box still works for me.

Plus, if you check bugzilla, you'll notice that there has been some  
work to relieve users of that misleading warning and allow SS to keep  
limping along a bit longer.

I don't believe anyone has taken out anything.

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Re: [slim] softsqueeze incompatible with sc7.1

2008-08-12 Thread jwka

Ive got the same problem.

I found out that using softsqueeze's own buttons (not remot thru
controller or web interface of SC) allows for playing - sometimes at
least.


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