Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
Are we 3 talking past each other ? *The recorded clipping as present in the original signal does not go away with replay gain I don't think anyone believes that ? *Aditional problems by intersample overs and overloading the digital signal chain downstream *How squeezebox volume works *How replaygian works , by adjusting the same volume by values specified in the tags . Usually down by circa 10dB in some rarecases up due to the target volume Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
Sorry 4 of us . two kinds of clipping . *Inherent in the signal . it's there forever . *to high input to something digital or analog does not matter (for example callersroe's TacT or my meridian processor ) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox 3 - playback issues
Hi all Following a possible power surge over the weekend I have had a few problems with my much loved SB3. First of all there was a problem with the display and network connectivity (cable) - nothing showing at all but the device was taking some power as there was red light from the optical port. I followed some advice elsewhere in the forum and bought a replacement power supply - this fixed the network and display problem but my SB3 is still not back to normal. The server can see the device and I can control it using the superb Orange Squeeze Android application and the supplied remote - I can select tracks and set them to play but no signal reaches my amp and the VU meter display on the SB3 shows no audio activity. I can pause and restart the track, adjust the volume and do everything but actually hear the music. The SB3 is connected to the amp using the optical port - I haven't tried switching to the analogue out yet as I figured that I should still see VU activity no matter what output was in use. Is that correct? Anyone have any ideas? I plan on sticking with Squeezebox and will either buy something from Ebay or try a Raspberry Pi build if my SB3 is dead... But it's given me years of faithful service and I don't want to give up on it. Appreciate any input. hellnick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
Mnyb wrote: Are we 3 talking past each other? To some degree, yes. *The recorded clipping as present in the original signal does not go away with replay gain I don't think anyone believes that? I think *almost* all of us agree. Not sure about callesoroe. *Aditional problems by intersample overs and overloading the digital signal chain downstream Right. A well-known issue (there was a good paper on it at AES109 in 2000, 15 years ago), but some DACs still don't deal with it very well. We all also agree that if you turn the volume down by 3-6 dB (or let replaygain do it for you), it becomes a non-issue. *How squeezebox volume works *How replaygian works , by adjusting the same volume by values specified in the tags . Usually down by circa 10dB in some rarecases up due to the target volume Right. All replaygain does is turn the volume control up or down, just as if we would be doing it manually. This, I think, is the essential misunderstanding by callesoroe. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
Heh. As a result of this discussion, I revisited some of the classic AES papers. One, from 1999, states Clearly, to obtain the goal of music conservation, new standards are needed. One way to go would be to establish a set of gentleman processing rules that need to be followed in order for the CD to get a DRA stamp, a Dynamic Range Approval. The more things change... To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
utgg wrote: There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume (including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a fine thing to do. But is this true for all squeezebox and 3rd party hardware players? There is certainly the option to apply the volume to digital attenuators after the DAC instead, and the last version of squeezelite from Triode gives the option to do it this way, via ALSA mixer settings, (assuming the hardware has digital attenuators and the ALSA mixer system uses them). With hardware squeezeboxes this is the case as it is the same volume and signal that eventually becommes the spdiff output , so it's a 24bit scaled signal all hardware squeezeboxes are 24bit all the time with the 8 lower bit's padded to 16 bit sources . Then it can scale with the volume . Software players who knows ? they *should* emulate this . someone knowing the code has to answer this . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
Mnyb wrote: *How squeezebox volume works There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume (including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a fine thing to do. But is this true for all squeezebox and 3rd party hardware players? There is certainly the option to apply the volume to digital attenuators after the DAC instead, and the last version of squeezelite from Triode gives the option to do it this way, via ALSA mixer settings, (assuming the hardware has digital attenuators and the ALSA mixer system uses them). utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
utgg wrote: There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume (including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input samples prior to input the DAC No, not assuming that at all, as it really doesn't matter (for the purpose of this discussion) where the volume correction happens - it is still exactly the same correction no matter what causes it - replaygain or a manual volume control change. Yes, the digital volume control vs. UDB-controlled volume attenuation after the DAC has implications for the intersample interpolation issue, but doesn't affect the topic of this thread - How replay gain Works. Replay gain is simply a track-per-track instruction to adjust the volume, it doesn't do anything magic beyond that. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 3 - playback issues
try the xilink reset (audio chip) described in the wiki Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PicorePlayer + internet browser
Phil Leigh wrote: Sorry! I'm in Windows... Installation Instructions on piCorePlayer 1.19+ Copy these two files to /mnt/mmcblk0p2/tce/optional on the piCorePlayer sd card. There's enough free space on the default image to add the jivelite files. If you've installed other packages you might need to increase the size of the ext4 partition mmcblk0p2. https://github.com/ralph-irving/tcz-jivelite/raw/master/jivelite.tcz https://github.com/ralph-irving/tcz-jivelite/raw/master/jivelite.tcz.md5.txt thanks Phil (stroke victim) The latest picoreplayer has the option to install jiveltie directly from the Tweaks page of the webgui. If you do the manual install you need to add the following line to the end of /mnt/mmcblk0p2/tce/onboot.lst jivelite.tcz To start jivelite on boot add this line in one of the user command fields at the bottom of the tweaks webgui. /opt/jivelite/bin/jivelite-sp Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donationsbusiness=LL5P6365KQEXNlc=CAitem_name=Squeezebox%20client%20buildscurrency_code=USDbn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104074 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How Replay Gain Works
utgg wrote: There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume (including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a fine thing to do. But is this true for all squeezebox and 3rd party hardware players? Hardware players: yes (not sure about Transporter and Slimp3 but about SB3/Boom/Radio/Receiver/Touch). Software: depends. As I wrote before: in iPeng it depends on the downstream hardware, software-side BOTH the volume and replay gain control are separate, I could imagine it's similar on Android devices; you mention SqueezeLite. BUT (a huge but): if it's separate, then replay gain will very, very likely be separate, too, and just be factored into the volume level because you exactly do not want to change the bitstream if you don't have to. There should never be any difference between how replay gain is being handled to how volume gain is being handled. So either not playing at 100% volume already fixes your clipping issues or both do not. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 3 - playback issues
Mnyb wrote: try the xilink reset (audio chip) described in the wiki Superb! Many, many thanks. hellnick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering problems
Likely a network or host system issue. Tried rebooting LMS host machine and router? Which LMS version and OS? Host computer and Transporter are WiFi or wired? toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104132 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Rebuffering problems
Just recently I started having rebuffering problems when playing hi rez audio on my transporter. I have never experienced this before. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks in advance. razorboi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104132 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering problems
razorboi wrote: Just recently I started having rebuffering problems when playing hi rez audio on my transporter. I have never experienced this before. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks in advance. Is this on wifi ? Then I suggest the usual fault racing there . Or just use Ethernet instead . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104132 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeplay Logs
elziko wrote:
...ip address: SlimServer {77.***.***.***}...
I suppose the stars are yours.
This is a public IP address, your server somehow advertises a public
address instead of an address within the LAN.
The good news is that your router's firewall stands in the way. Your
home is safe ;)
4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.9 (linux) with
plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix)
Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me,
What Was That Tune? by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple
Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin
Rehfeld ShairTunes2 by disaster123 Local Player, BBC iPlayer by
Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins.
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[slim] Squeezeplay Logs
Hi, I've been using Squeezeplay for years on various Windows machines to connect to my LMS over the internet and it usually works well. However, from one location Squeezeplay is unable to connect to my remote server and I do not know why. Does Squeezeplay produce any logs (I'm on Windows 8.1) so I can start problem solving this, please? Thanks! elziko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeplay Logs
Ah, I just found the logs after increasing the logging to debug level in
Squeezeplay in %TEMP%\stdout-SqueezePlay.txt
This is what the log looks like:
stdout-SqueezePlay.txt wrote:
1439480359.023 INFO applet.ChooseMusicSource -
ChooseMusicSourceApplet.lua:215 Using existing server with same ip
address: SlimServer {77.***.***.***}
1439480360.032 INFO applet.ChooseMusicSource -
ChooseMusicSourceApplet.lua:648 connectPlayerToServer() LocalPlayer
{Montpellier SP} SlimServer {77.***.***.***}
1439480360.033 WARN squeezebox.server - :658 wakeOnLan(): SKIPPING
WOL, self.mac: nil, self:isSqueezeNetwork(): false
1439480360.033 INFO squeezebox.player - :203 connectToServer():
connecting localPlayer to serverSlimServer {77.***.***.***} via internal
call
1439480360.033 INFO net.slimproto - :596 connect to 77.***.***.***
(77.***.***.***)
1439480360.033 WARN audio.decode - :144 Cannot find active network
interface
1439480360.033 INFO net.slimproto - :152 Send HELO: reconnect-bit=0
bytesReceived(H,L)=0,0
1439480364.935 WARN net.thread - :146 network thread timeout for
Task(SocketHttp {mysqueezebox.com_Chunked}(W))
1439480364.935 ERROR net.http - :375 SocketHttp
{mysqueezebox.com_Chunked}:t_sendRequest.pump: inactivity timeout
stack traceback:
... Files (x86)\SqueezePlay\lua\jive\net\SocketHttp.lua:375: in
function 'pump'
...m Files (x86)\SqueezePlay\lua\jive\net\SocketTcp.lua:200: in
function 'writePump'
...gram Files (x86)\SqueezePlay\lua\jive\net\Socket.lua:186: in
function ...gram Files (x86)\SqueezePlay\lua\jive\net\Socket.lua:184
1439480364.935 INFO net.comet - :647 Comet {mysqueezebox.com}:
_handshake error: inactivity timeout
1439480364.935 INFO net.comet - :1014 Comet {mysqueezebox.com}:
handleAdvice state=CONNECTING
1439480364.935 INFO squeezebox.server - :768 disconnected
mysqueezebox.com idleTimeoutTriggered: nil
1439480364.935 INFO net.comet - :1055 Comet {mysqueezebox.com}: advice
is retry, connect in 3.75 seconds
1439480370.065 WARN net.thread - :146 network thread timeout for
Task(SocketTcp {SlimProto}(W))
1439480370.065 INFO net.slimproto - :773 connection error: inactivity
timeout, reconnecting in 2.528 seconds
1439480371.055 WARN applet.ChooseMusicSource -
ChooseMusicSourceApplet.lua:634 Connection failure or Timeout, current
count: 12
Can anyone advise what might be wrong. It just looks like it's timing
out.
Thanks!
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