Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Martin Braun
On 01/24/2014 02:45 AM, Nasi wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 with doxygen docs do you mean
 these: http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html ?
 this redundant information is hopeless...
 
 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?

Nasi,

part of learning GNU Radio is learning to read the documentation. You're
pointing to a specific object deep inside the guts of GNU Radio. There
will be no beginner-level documentation for these kinds of objects,
probably ever. If you followed the docs through the navigation Modules
- Fourier Analysis, you'd see three blocks available for FFTs. All they
do is calculate an FFT -- there is not much to say here. The assumption
on this page is that you know how blocks work, and what an FFT is.

The page you pointed to is not redundant, whether or not it's hopeless
is of course matter of debate. But it has all you need to calculate an
FFT: The object you need, the functions you need to call etc.
Here's all you really need: compute FFT. The input comes from inbuf,
the output is placed in outbuf.

Martin

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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Paul B. Huter
Does the function referred to have the ability to read in a File Sink
binary file?

Paul B. Huter
On Jan 24, 2014 7:00 AM, Martin Braun martin.br...@ettus.com wrote:

 On 01/24/2014 02:45 AM, Nasi wrote:
  Thanks!
 
  with doxygen docs do you mean
  these:
 http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html ?
  this redundant information is hopeless...
 
  Do you know any normal good mature documentation?

 Nasi,

 part of learning GNU Radio is learning to read the documentation. You're
 pointing to a specific object deep inside the guts of GNU Radio. There
 will be no beginner-level documentation for these kinds of objects,
 probably ever. If you followed the docs through the navigation Modules
 - Fourier Analysis, you'd see three blocks available for FFTs. All they
 do is calculate an FFT -- there is not much to say here. The assumption
 on this page is that you know how blocks work, and what an FFT is.

 The page you pointed to is not redundant, whether or not it's hopeless
 is of course matter of debate. But it has all you need to calculate an
 FFT: The object you need, the functions you need to call etc.
 Here's all you really need: compute FFT. The input comes from inbuf,
 the output is placed in outbuf.

 Martin

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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Nasi
And the problem is in that input part. It is not clear what is inbuf... 
I create gr_complex vector and want to input it into fft. It does not work in 
any way.  There are alot of questions are still open. 

Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one can design a 
confusing language. 


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Freitag, 24. Januar 2014 13:59 +0100 from Martin Braun  
martin.br...@ettus.com:
On 01/24/2014 02:45 AM, Nasi wrote:
 Thanks!

 with doxygen docs do you mean
 these:  http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html ?
 this redundant information is hopeless...

 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?

Nasi,

part of learning GNU Radio is learning to read the documentation. You're
pointing to a specific object deep inside the guts of GNU Radio. There
will be no beginner-level documentation for these kinds of objects,
probably ever. If you followed the docs through the navigation Modules
- Fourier Analysis, you'd see three blocks available for FFTs. All they
do is calculate an FFT -- there is not much to say here. The assumption
on this page is that you know how blocks work, and what an FFT is.

The page you pointed to is not redundant, whether or not it's hopeless
is of course matter of debate. But it has all you need to calculate an
FFT: The object you need, the functions you need to call etc.
Here's all you really need: compute FFT. The input comes from inbuf,
the output is placed in outbuf.

Martin

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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Marcus Müller
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Hi Nasi,

Inbuf is the input buffer. It is a C++ pointer to a gr_complex.
That is the place where you put your input. As is described on the
doxygen page.

It is assumed that when you try to use a C++ framework, you are able
to understand basic C++ concepts. Again, I'd strongly agree with
Martin: This is using internal functionality of GNU Radio. You must be
able to read the source code to effectively employ it.

Sincerely,
Marcus

On 24.01.2014 15:55, Nasi wrote:
 And the problem is in that input part. It is not clear what is
 inbuf... I create gr_complex vector and want to input it into fft.
 It does not work in any way.  There are alot of questions are still
 open.
 
 Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one can
 design a confusing language.
 
 
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 Freitag, 24. Januar 2014 13:59 +0100 from Martin Braun
 martin.br...@ettus.com: On 01/24/2014 02:45 AM, Nasi wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 with doxygen docs do you mean these:
 http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html
 ? this redundant information is hopeless...
 
 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?
 
 Nasi,
 
 part of learning GNU Radio is learning to read the documentation.
 You're pointing to a specific object deep inside the guts of GNU
 Radio. There will be no beginner-level documentation for these
 kinds of objects, probably ever. If you followed the docs through
 the navigation Modules - Fourier Analysis, you'd see three blocks
 available for FFTs. All they do is calculate an FFT -- there is not
 much to say here. The assumption on this page is that you know how
 blocks work, and what an FFT is.
 
 The page you pointed to is not redundant, whether or not it's
 hopeless is of course matter of debate. But it has all you need to
 calculate an FFT: The object you need, the functions you need to
 call etc. Here's all you really need: compute FFT. The input comes
 from inbuf, the output is placed in outbuf.
 
 Martin
 
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Aditya Dhananjay
Hi Nasi,


And the problem is in that input part. It is not clear what is inbuf...
 I create gr_complex vector and want to input it into fft. It does not work
 in any way.  There are alot of questions are still open.


You can look at fft.cc and fft_vcc_fftw.cc. It is quite clear how the FFTW
library is called by GNU Radio. The documentation of FFTW is also quite
good. You can look up how to use a plan to calculate forward/reverse FFTs.


 Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one can design
 a confusing language.


With all due respect, Nasi, please refrain from biting the hand that feeds,
and then asking for more.

Happy hacking!

best,
aditya
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Marcus Müller
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Hi Paul,

no. It does an FFT and nothing else (aside offering to apply a
window); please read the doxygen or have a look at the code. Both is
extremely short and to the point ;)

Anyway,
file_sink binary files are not something special. They just store
floating point values the same way they are stored in RAM.

Assuming you can use the FFTW, you can simply use the C standard lib's
open() to open a file, and read() the desired amount of bytes (that
is, number of floats*4 or number of complexes*8) directly into the
buffer that you fftw_malloc'ed for usage in the fourier transform.

Hope that I could help you!

Marcus

On 24.01.2014 14:57, Paul B. Huter wrote:
 Does the function referred to have the ability to read in a File 
 Sink binary file?
 
 Paul B. Huter On Jan 24, 2014 7:00 AM, Martin Braun 
 martin.br...@ettus.com wrote:
 
 On 01/24/2014 02:45 AM, Nasi wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 with doxygen docs do you mean these:
 http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html

 
?
 this redundant information is hopeless...
 
 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?
 
 Nasi,
 
 part of learning GNU Radio is learning to read the
 documentation. You're pointing to a specific object deep inside
 the guts of GNU Radio. There will be no beginner-level
 documentation for these kinds of objects, probably ever. If you
 followed the docs through the navigation Modules - Fourier
 Analysis, you'd see three blocks available for FFTs. All they do
 is calculate an FFT -- there is not much to say here. The
 assumption on this page is that you know how blocks work, and
 what an FFT is.
 
 The page you pointed to is not redundant, whether or not it's 
 hopeless is of course matter of debate. But it has all you need 
 to calculate an FFT: The object you need, the functions you need 
 to call etc. Here's all you really need: compute FFT. The input 
 comes from inbuf, the output is placed in outbuf.
 
 Martin
 
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech

On 01/24/2014 09:55 AM, Nasi wrote:


Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one can design a 
confusing language.
A programmers job in documentation isn't to teach you the language the 
code is written in.  It is assumed that the reader knows the language

  already.

Imagine that in spoken languages, we all had to include massive amounts 
of clarifying sub-texts every time we spoke, because the other party may not

  be familiar *at all* with our spoken languages.

The www.gnuradio.org website has lots of overall architectural 
information, I'd suggest you spend some time at it.  The Doxygen docs aren't
  intended to be tutorials. They are more like a quick reference 
document that can help you with calling parameters, etc.  But from your 
questions,
  I'm getting that you have only the vaguest notion of how Gnu Radio is 
architected, and are confused as a result.



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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Nasi
 you guys do not get at all what is in there. You are just confronting me, and 
accusing me not being an expert. 
If I agree on not being an expert, will anyone here be happier?

FFTW documentation is not helpful, you guys have been working on this for ages, 
now you can't see the challenge in that. 

Of course, I will write my code sooner or later, but you guys also can do smt. 
to improve it. 
For an near example, look at any any cc language documentation. 

There is no book that written for an expert. The simpler is better in writing. 
Again, it is up to you, more people understand, more users will implement your 
code. It is a kind of marketing.
Apart from all, I respect all what have done up to now. 


Пятница, 24 января 2014, 10:03 -05:00 от Aditya Dhananjay adi...@cs.nyu.edu:
Hi Nasi,


And the problem is in that input part. It is not clear what is inbuf...
I create gr_complex vector and want to input it into fft. It does not work in 
any way.  There are alot of questions are still open.

You can look at fft.cc and fft_vcc_fftw.cc. It is quite clear how the FFTW 
library is called by GNU Radio. The documentation of FFTW is also quite good. 
You can look up how to use a plan to calculate forward/reverse FFTs.


Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one can design a 
confusing language.

With all due respect, Nasi, please refrain from biting the hand that feeds, 
and then asking for more.

Happy hacking!

best,
aditya


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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech

On 01/24/2014 11:32 AM, Nasi wrote:

instead of helping, you like to embarrass me...
in my first email, I asked for a tutorial not a short reference.



Well, how about here:

http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/

And here:

http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/HowToUse

And here:

http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/WhatIsGR

And here:

http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/TutorialsWritePythonApplications

And here:

http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/FAQ

And here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL618122BD66C8B3C4



Пятница, 24 января 2014, 10:33 -05:00 от Marcus D. Leech 
mle...@ripnet.com:


On 01/24/2014 09:55 AM, Nasi wrote:

 Coder is a good coder if his code is readable first. Anyone one
can design a confusing language.
A programmers job in documentation isn't to teach you the language
the
code is written in. It is assumed that the reader knows the language
   already.

Imagine that in spoken languages, we all had to include massive
amounts
of clarifying sub-texts every time we spoke, because the other
party may not
   be familiar *at all* with our spoken languages.

The www.gnuradio.org http://www.gnuradio.org website has lots of
overall architectural
information, I'd suggest you spend some time at it. The Doxygen
docs aren't
   intended to be tutorials. They are more like a quick reference
document that can help you with calling parameters, etc. But from
your
questions,
   I'm getting that you have only the vaguest notion of how Gnu
Radio is
architected, and are confused as a result.


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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-24 Thread Marcus Müller
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Hi Nasi,

this has totally gotten out of hand. Please stop.

We still have no idea of what you're trying to do. We'd usually really
like to help you, but all help we offered so far was not really
welcomed by you *at all*.

 FFTW documentation is not helpful, you guys have been working on
this for ages, now you can't see the challenge in that.

Ok, as Martin and Aditya said, when you want to do an FFT in a C++
software of your own, we must expect you to both know how what an FFT
actually does and how to use buffers in C/C++.

As it seems again, you're turning to us to help you in understanding
basic concepts that we, as a helping community, must assume you try to
work on yourself. If you're having a minor problem with C++ in the
context of GR, just ask. If you have a question regarding the way GR
works that you can not solve by reading the obvious information
sources (that is, www.gnuradio.org), just ask.
If you can't use the supplied functionality because you simply are not
yet good enough at C++, we can't be the ones to teach you that. This
is discuss-gnuradio, not cplusplus-beginners-help.

 Of course, I will write my code sooner or later, but you guys also
can do smt. to improve it.
Sorry, we're not here to improve your code; especially not if you
haven't even taken the effort to write it. We are here because we like
to help people use GNU Radio, but it ends at the point where we do
their work. In your case, that job is understanding how to use classes
that take pointers to input buffers, and to learn the basic principles
of operation of GNU Radio.

 For an near example, look at any any cc language documentation.
This is totally out of scope of this mailing list, sorry. GNU Radio is
not about learning to program C++. Every line you write will of course
improve your programming skills. But using GNU Radio from C++ demands
for a solid knowledge of the programming language beforehand. And you
seem to lack that.

 Again, it is up to you, more people understand, more users will
implement your code. It is a kind of marketing.

Again, the code you're trying to use is not something that someone
else who is not already using GNU Radio would want to use. It is just
something you *can* use from *within* GNU Radio. Still, we assume that
to any feasibly interested outsider with a little background in C++,
the supplied doxygen is enough. Sorry.


You seem to be offended, and I hope that's not the case. From my
perspective, a lot of people tried to be really helpful and show you
the things you need to learn until you can start to use the
functionality you want to have. We have invested a lot of time in it,
to help you for free with no personal benefit.
I will stop (and I presume the others do, too) to discuss this issue,
not because I don't want to make it easy for you, but because I really
can't simplify it (honestly, fft::fft_complex is one of the most easy
to understand classes), nor see any benefit in telling you again and
again that you need to learn C++ before you use C++ classes, need to
understand the concepts of a DFT before you use an FFT, and point you
to different helpful resources that you simply smite because they
can't break the stuff down for your understanding.

Greetings,
Marcus
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[Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-23 Thread Nasi
 Hi all,

I know there is an FFT block in gnuradio 3.7. 
I want to create a cc file and add some gnuradio classes there.
Can I use FFT without .grc file without using blocks, just as a c++ function?



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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-23 Thread Marcus Müller
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Yes, you can. Look into the gr-fft module documentation in the doxygen
docs.
Alternatively, you can simply link against FFTW [1] yourself and use
the FFT algorithms; gr-fft is a wrapper for that functionality
offering simplification and ease of use. But if an FFT is all that
you're after, going directly for FFTW might be the best choice; if you
need something non-standard such as 2D-FFT (or higher dimensions),
real-only transforms, sliced/strided, hundreds of transforms at
once... use FFTW. If you just want an N-Point FFT and are linking
against GR anyway, use gr-fft.

Greetings,
Marcus

[1] Fastest Fourier Transform in the West, http://www.fftw.org/

On 23.01.2014 20:17, Nasi wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I know there is an FFT block in gnuradio 3.7. I want to create a cc
 file and add some gnuradio classes there. Can I use FFT without
 .grc file without using blocks, just as a c++ function?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-23 Thread Nasi
 Thanks!

with doxygen docs do you mean these:  
http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html  ?
this redundant information is hopeless...

Do you know any normal good mature documentation?



Четверг, 23 января 2014, 20:57 +01:00 от Marcus Müller mar...@hostalia.de:
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Yes, you can. Look into the gr-fft module documentation in the doxygen
docs.
Alternatively, you can simply link against FFTW [1] yourself and use
the FFT algorithms; gr-fft is a wrapper for that functionality
offering simplification and ease of use. But if an FFT is all that
you're after, going directly for FFTW might be the best choice; if you
need something non-standard such as 2D-FFT (or higher dimensions),
real-only transforms, sliced/strided, hundreds of transforms at
once... use FFTW. If you just want an N-Point FFT and are linking
against GR anyway, use gr-fft.

Greetings,
Marcus

[1] Fastest Fourier Transform in the West,  http://www.fftw.org/

On 23.01.2014 20:17, Nasi wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I know there is an FFT block in gnuradio 3.7. I want to create a cc
 file and add some gnuradio classes there. Can I use FFT without
 .grc file without using blocks, just as a c++ function?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-23 Thread Vanush Vaswani
Check the FFTW documentation.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Nasi nesaz...@mail.ru wrote:
 Thanks!

 with doxygen docs do you mean these:
 http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html ?
 this redundant information is hopeless...

 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?



 Четверг, 23 января 2014, 20:57 +01:00 от Marcus Müller mar...@hostalia.de:

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 Yes, you can. Look into the gr-fft module documentation in the doxygen
 docs.
 Alternatively, you can simply link against FFTW [1] yourself and use
 the FFT algorithms; gr-fft is a wrapper for that functionality
 offering simplification and ease of use. But if an FFT is all that
 you're after, going directly for FFTW might be the best choice; if you
 need something non-standard such as 2D-FFT (or higher dimensions),
 real-only transforms, sliced/strided, hundreds of transforms at
 once... use FFTW. If you just want an N-Point FFT and are linking
 against GR anyway, use gr-fft.

 Greetings,
 Marcus

 [1] Fastest Fourier Transform in the West, http://www.fftw.org/

 On 23.01.2014 20:17, Nasi wrote:
 Hi all,

 I know there is an FFT block in gnuradio 3.7. I want to create a cc
 file and add some gnuradio classes there. Can I use FFT without
 .grc file without using blocks, just as a c++ function?





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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] how to use FFT without grc block

2014-01-23 Thread Marcus Müller
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Hi Nasi,
On 24.01.2014 02:45, Nasi wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 with doxygen docs do you mean these:
 http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1fft_1_1fft__complex.html
 ?
Yes, basically that class. I was referring to the module as whole, and
was hoping you'd might take a look into the GR source to find out how
it works; really, no magic involved there :) look into gr-fft/lib/fft.cc

 this redundant information is hopeless...
 
 Do you know any normal good mature documentation?
Well if you want to use gr-fft, you must me content with what you can
find in the doxygen, find when searching the mailing list and the
internet in general. This is open source, so when someone implemented
something and felt that it is documented well enough, they'd stop
writing documentation and continue on implementing cool stuff :)
basically, the names of the methods fft_complex class seem to named
self-explanatory enough to me...

I *do* get the feeling you're not really after the minimalist fft
wrapper classes that are available in gr-fft, but want some general
FFT routines. As explained in great length in my last email, look for
a general FFT library then, and FFTW is the library of choice and
well-documented.

Anyway, you should explain what you're trying to do and maybe we can
help you :)

Good morning!
Marcus

 
 
 
 Четверг, 23 января 2014, 20:57 +01:00 от Marcus Müller
 mar...@hostalia.de: Yes, you can. Look into the gr-fft module
 documentation in the doxygen docs. Alternatively, you can simply
 link against FFTW [1] yourself and use the FFT algorithms; gr-fft
 is a wrapper for that functionality offering simplification and
 ease of use. But if an FFT is all that you're after, going directly
 for FFTW might be the best choice; if you need something
 non-standard such as 2D-FFT (or higher dimensions), real-only
 transforms, sliced/strided, hundreds of transforms at once... use
 FFTW. If you just want an N-Point FFT and are linking against GR
 anyway, use gr-fft.
 
 Greetings, Marcus
 
 [1] Fastest Fourier Transform in the West,  http://www.fftw.org/
 
 On 23.01.2014 20:17, Nasi wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I know there is an FFT block in gnuradio 3.7. I want to
 create a cc file and add some gnuradio classes there. Can I
 use FFT without .grc file without using blocks, just as a c++
 function?
 
 
 
 
 
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