Re: [important] How to remove yourself from fsfellowship.eu

[Thomas Doczkal]

On May 2, 2019 2:14:04 PM UTC, Erik Albers  wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>many of you ended up on discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu without your
>consent.
>The information given by Daniel Pocock of how to remove yourself from
>the list
>was misleading or not working.
>
>The solution to unsubscribe yourself is to send a mail to
>discussion-requ...@lists.fsfellowship.eu with the subject
>"unsubscribe":
>
>
>
>You will receive an email with a link to confirm your removal as well
>as the
>option to remove yourself with another email-command. For us the link
>seemed
>to not work but we cannot confirm as we cannot repeat it.
>The email command worked succesfully for us.
>
>Sorry for any inconvenience,
>   Erik
>
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Today morning the email way did not work for me. Good that it's working now. 
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[important] How to remove yourself from fsfellowship.eu

[Erik Albers]

Hi all,

many of you ended up on discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu without your consent.
The information given by Daniel Pocock of how to remove yourself from the list
was misleading or not working.

The solution to unsubscribe yourself is to send a mail to
discussion-requ...@lists.fsfellowship.eu with the subject "unsubscribe":



You will receive an email with a link to confirm your removal as well as the
option to remove yourself with another email-command. For us the link seemed
to not work but we cannot confirm as we cannot repeat it.
The email command worked succesfully for us.

Sorry for any inconvenience,
   Erik

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Re: [Attention] Re: removal from mail list

[Paul Sutton]

On 02/05/2019 13:09, Erik Albers wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> if you like to be unsubscribed from the list created by Daniel Pocock follow
> this update:
> 
> On 02.05.19 13:57, Thomas Doczkal wrote:
>> Damit. Of course the right header info to unsubscribe is:
>>
>> List-Unsubscribe: , 
>> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Erik
> 

Thanks for that Erik, it has worked.

Paul

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[Attention] Re: removal from mail list

[Erik Albers]

Hi all,

if you like to be unsubscribed from the list created by Daniel Pocock follow
this update:

On 02.05.19 13:57, Thomas Doczkal wrote:
> Damit. Of course the right header info to unsubscribe is:
> 
> List-Unsubscribe: , 
> 


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   Erik

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Re: List of email addresses

[Paul Sutton]

On 02/05/2019 12:17, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Considering the CoC, I'm refraining myself from talking too much about a 
> certain individual.
> 
> As there seems to be some confusion as to how Daniel Pocock was able to 
> access 
> the subscriber emails of this list:
> 
> The list is visible to all subscribers here:
> https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/roster/discussion
> 
> Having list membership visible to all subscribers is common practice, and 
> virtually all public mailing list are configured to show this information on 
> request. After all, the mailing list archive is also available, and by 
> scraping the mailing list archive one would be able to gather a similar list…
> 
> However, I'm pretty sure that using this information in the way that Mr. 
> Pocock did is very much not allowed under EU law. Maybe it's time to let the 
> legal team handle this transgression and evaluate FSFE's legal options?
> 
> Cheers,
>   Johannes

Just to clarify as a subscriber to this list (lists.fsfe.org) I have no
objection to the subscriber list or the archive.

I would like to add that I agree the legal team need to handle this.

Having the fellowship.eu e-mail mixed in with what I see as the official
list at lists.fsfe.org, It is very confusing.  As mentioned before some
of the e-mails i am getting seem to have cc, to, from, reply to,  I have
never seen this in _any other_ e-mail list.

Paul
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Re: removal from mail list

[Thomas Doczkal]

On May 2, 2019 11:51:31 AM UTC, Paul Sutton  wrote:
>
>
>On 02/05/2019 12:48, Thomas Doczkal wrote:
>> On May 2, 2019 11:38:22 AM UTC, Paul Sutton  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Just sent a message to the fellowship.eu list, with unsubscribe in
>the
>>> subject header,  I received a reply saying it has been held as the
>>> message may have admin commands.
>>>
>>> This is what _should_ happen, if this works I will reply here so
>others
>>> can do the same.
>>>
>>> Paul
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>> 
>> To unsubscribe by mail send one with unsubscribe to 
>discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org or follow  the link in the. mail
>header mailto:discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org?subject=unsubscribe
>> 
>> The list address discussion@ is wrong! 
>> 
>
>
>In that case I am now even more confused, sorry.  I just want to be
>subscribed to the fsfe discussion list,  ideally to discuss issues
>around free software and related.
>
>Paul

Damit. Of course the right header info to unsubscribe is:

List-Unsubscribe: , 



Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the hint! 
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Re: removal from mail list

[Thomas Doczkal]

On May 2, 2019 11:38:22 AM UTC, Paul Sutton  wrote:
>Hi
>
>Just sent a message to the fellowship.eu list, with unsubscribe in the
>subject header,  I received a reply saying it has been held as the
>message may have admin commands.
>
>This is what _should_ happen, if this works I will reply here so others
>can do the same.
>
>Paul
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To unsubscribe by mail send one with unsubscribe to  
discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org or follow  the link in the. mail header 
mailto:discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org?subject=unsubscribe

The list address discussion@ is wrong! 
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Re: List of email addresses

[Erik Albers]

Hi all,

On 02.05.19 13:17, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
> Considering the CoC, I'm refraining myself from talking too much about a 
> certain individual.
> 
> As there seems to be some confusion as to how Daniel Pocock was able to 
> access 
> the subscriber emails of this list:
> 
> The list is visible to all subscribers here:
> https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/roster/discussion
> 
> Having list membership visible to all subscribers is common practice, and 
> virtually all public mailing list are configured to show this information on 
> request. After all, the mailing list archive is also available, and by 
> scraping the mailing list archive one would be able to gather a similar list…

as explained by Johannes, this list was available to all list-subscribers as
it is common practice. However, we now changed the settings and
list-subscribers are only visible for list-admins from now on.


> However, I'm pretty sure that using this information in the way that Mr. 
> Pocock did is very much not allowed under EU law. Maybe it's time to let the 
> legal team handle this transgression and evaluate FSFE's legal options?

as already announced in the other mail, we get in contact with legal experts
to act accordingly.

Best,
   Erik

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Re: removal from mail list

[Paul Sutton]

On 02/05/2019 12:48, Thomas Doczkal wrote:
> On May 2, 2019 11:38:22 AM UTC, Paul Sutton  wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just sent a message to the fellowship.eu list, with unsubscribe in the
>> subject header,  I received a reply saying it has been held as the
>> message may have admin commands.
>>
>> This is what _should_ happen, if this works I will reply here so others
>> can do the same.
>>
>> Paul
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> To unsubscribe by mail send one with unsubscribe to  
> discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org or follow  the link in the. mail header 
> mailto:discussion-requ...@lists.fsfe.org?subject=unsubscribe
> 
> The list address discussion@ is wrong! 
> 


In that case I am now even more confused, sorry.  I just want to be
subscribed to the fsfe discussion list,  ideally to discuss issues
around free software and related.

Paul
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List of email addresses

[Johannes Zarl-Zierl]

Hi,

Considering the CoC, I'm refraining myself from talking too much about a 
certain individual.

As there seems to be some confusion as to how Daniel Pocock was able to access 
the subscriber emails of this list:

The list is visible to all subscribers here:
https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/roster/discussion

Having list membership visible to all subscribers is common practice, and 
virtually all public mailing list are configured to show this information on 
request. After all, the mailing list archive is also available, and by 
scraping the mailing list archive one would be able to gather a similar list…

However, I'm pretty sure that using this information in the way that Mr. 
Pocock did is very much not allowed under EU law. Maybe it's time to let the 
legal team handle this transgression and evaluate FSFE's legal options?

Cheers,
  Johannes


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Re: Fwd: Your confirmation is required to leave the Discussion mailing list

[Paul Sutton]

On 02/05/2019 11:31, Michael Kesper wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> it gets ever "funnier". Now I received this confirmation for removal of this 
> list.
> (I redacted the hash, obviously)
> I suspect it gets created if you click on Daniel's unsubscribe link.
> The IP address is not mine.
> 
> Michael

Hopefully it can get resolved,  while the fsfe didn't pass on this info
in some cases the senders e-mail is within one of the e-mail header
fields, (sorry don't know the terminology) sufficient to say if I just
hit reply as opposed to reply list i reply to a single person.

However this feature _is_ useful, if someone posted something like a
request and then someone said send me a e-mail off list to discuss
further then we are able to do this easily,

I am not blaming the fsfe here.

I think we need to examine the law (GDPR) here if someone request
removal this should be a painless process,  as some times this is done
to simply change e-mail addresses.   It appears with the .eu it is
totally the opposite and we have enough 'victims' to take action.

It may be worth looking at the subscriber list here as looking at some
of the from, to, cc, reply to headers I am getting on Thunderbird
e-mails seem to be going all over the place.

Keep up the good work with the fsfe, it would be great to be able to get
back on track with our work, rather than having to deal with this sort
of thing.

Paul
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[Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)

[Erik Albers]

Dear list-subscribers,


On 02.05.19 09:43, Michael Kesper wrote:
> It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has
> a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu
> b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess)
> c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list
> 
> Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c).
> 
> I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against these
> eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its subscribers.

we are really sorry for this having happened and can ensure that the list
discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu is not run by the FSFE nor is it in any other
way part of FSFE's infrastructure or communication channels.

IP-adresses associated with the infrastructure behind
discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu indicate that the list is run by Daniel
Pocock. Again, we can ensure that neither Daniel Pocock nor anyone else ever
had allowance to misuse our list of subscribers for their private 
infrastructure.

[Attention] Meanwhile a script is being misused to unsubscribe all members of
this list discussion@lists.fsfe.org automatically without their consent. If
you like to stay on this list and you receive a mail to confirm your removal,
do not follow the link!

We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal
experts to take action accordingly.


Feeling sorry for any inconvenience,
   Erik for the FSFE

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Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

[Thomas Doczkal]

On May 2, 2019 7:43:44 AM UTC, Michael Kesper  wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has
>a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu
>b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess)
>c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list
>
>Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c).
>
>I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against
>these
>eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its
>subscribers.
>
>Best wishes
>Michael

I have escalated this to system hackers earlier today. Hope they will be able 
to action soon.
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Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

[Michael Kesper]

Dear all,

It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has
a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu
b) subscribed all participants of this list (I guess)
c) Sent an email asking people to unsubscribe from _this_ list

Clearly, I did not give consent to b) nor c).

I hereby ask FSFE officials to use all available legal tools against these
eclatant DSGVO and privacy violations in order to protect its subscribers.

Best wishes
Michael



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