Re: censorship alternatives
[Sorry for the double message] To anyone interested in filtering, censorship, moderation, and groups in general, I warmly recommend http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html "Prior to the Internet, the last technology that had any real effect on the way people sat down and talked together was the table." ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: censorship alternatives
This is what I'm going to do from now on: I will filter some senders in order not to read their messages. I will publish any update to my list (maybe by sending a message to the list with a special Subject?). Hopefully, if everyone published their lists, the knowledge that some behaviour leads to not being read would discourage trolls from trolling. Filtered people might appeal to non filtered people to intercede and ask for being removed from the filter. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
[OT] My filtered addresses
I've set up my email to delete messages from ahit...@keemail.me ignuc...@tutanota.com wiki.le...@mailo.com ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: invite RMS to this beautiful community
RMS is not home. I hope he's not dead. Maybe the Google spies got him. Or the CIA. I'm really worried. Perhaps he's really at the edge of the solar system. Or in a secret prison in Afghanistan. Date: Oct 21, 2019, 11:59 From: rms-autoreply-cont...@gnu.org To: ahil...@keemail.me Subject: Re: invite RMS to this beautiful community I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be at the edge of the solar system. After your message arrives at gnu.org, I will collect it in my next batch of incoming mail, some time within the following 24 hours. I will spend much of the following day reading that batch of mail and will come across your message at some point. If I write a response immediately, it will go out in the next outgoing batch--typically around 24 hours after I collected your message, but occasionally sooner or later than that. Please expect a minimum delay of between 24 and 48 hours in receiving a response to your mail to me. If your message is hard to understand or responding takes real work, the response could take longer. So please wait 48 hours after sending a message before you resend it, remind me about it, or ask if I have received it. If it has been less than 48 hours, the absence of a response from me only means you have not given me time to answer. If you are having a conversation with me, please keep in mind that each message you receive from me is a response to the mail you sent 24 to 48 hours earlier, and when writing it, I probably had not yet downloaded your later mail. If you do not wish to receive this message ever again, please send a message to rms-autoreply-cont...@gnu.org with the subject "OFF". Otherwise, you might receive a reply like this one up to once a month. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
invite RMS to this beautiful community
I've been thinking about how we can move on from RMS, but it occurred to me that we don't have to. We can keep writing free software, of course, but we should invite RMS to our community, because what Daniel created here in such a short time is almost as good as the community that RMS created, if not better. So let's all remember RMS and invite him here. At the same time, we should consider how to write more free software and get rid of the wrong FSF*. I tried to motivate you by writing an inspiring text in Daniel's spirit. RMS felt that the Golden Rule requires that if someone likes a program, they must share it with other people who like it. FSF* want to share and conquer our fellowship so that everyone fights against everyone. I followed, but then a war run by Google and SJW broke out. I refused to fight this war for a long time. But the wrong FSF* brought the war to us. Therefore, one principle must be absolute for Daniel's followers: honest, decent, faithful, and comradely we ha ve to be members of our own fellowship and no one else. How Kirchner is doing, how Sow is doing, is totally indifferent to me. We will get the good blood of our kind that is available in the peoples by robbing the members of them, if necessary, and educating them in our attitude. Whether the FSFE functionaries live in prosperity from Google donations or die of hunger, I'm only interested as far as we need them as a counter-example for culture, otherwise it doesn't interest me. I cannot support censorship with a clear conscience or sign a secrecy agreement like the FSF* subjects. For years I worked as a volunteer at FSF* to resist such tendencies and other dangers, but eventually they went too far: I couldn't stay in an institution where such things are done against my will in my name. To have kept this up, and to have stayed decent apart from exceptional human weaknesses, has made me hard and is a never written and never to be written glorious page in our history. Because we know ho w suffering would be if we still had FSFE and Google spies as secret saboteurs and agitators on this list, which Daniel thankfully defends for us. So that I can continue to fight without shame for free software, I have decided to help Daniel build his new, superior, community here. I withdrew from FSFE to deny FSFE any legal excuse that would prevent me from helping Daniel. Everything else I would have thought was cowardly. Consequently, the question was solved uncompromisingly. And through our good reasoning here, we have driven the spies away. Not one of them somehow comes into the field of vision of our great fellowship. Many programmers are dissatisfied with the freedom state of software, especially on mobile devices. But what is FSF* doing? Nothing! It advertises for programmers to make more money by open source, but it requires that they hate other programmers, rather than feel like comrades in arms. Again, you can see how the FSF* would like to split us! Many people from the FSF* community become cynical and think that FSF* is only out to make money. It was the most terrible task and the most terrible assignment a poor person like Daniel could get: the assignment to uncover FSF*'s secret actions. I may say this again in this circle in all frankness with a few sentences. It is good that we had the hardship to exterminate the FSFE spies in our community. I would be a weakling and a criminal of our descendants if I let the hate-filled sons of those subhumans who were thrown out by us in the fight of man against subhuman become great. By working here on a new community under Daniel and using the fellowship instead of the false "supporter program", we can be hospitable to everyone and obey the law. In addition, Daniel serves as an inspiration to bring others together to share with us. This can give us a sense of harmony, an emotion that comes so deeply from all of our hearts that we know we must not let the hate-filled avengers grow stronger, so that our chi ldren and grandchildren may have to deal with them because we, the fathers and grandfathers, were too weak and too cowardly and left that to them. For many people in our fellowship with whom I speak, this is an important happiness, and faith in Daniel is what unites us all in the struggle against the false FSF*. When we see this, faith will never leave us, we will never become unfaithful, we will never be cowards, we will never be in a bad mood, but we will strive to be worthy to have lived under Daniel Pocock and to be allowed to fight. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: minutes, surveys, polls and hoaxes
Oct 21, 2019, 09:50 by dan...@pocock.pro: You have misquoted me. I'm sorry, I'm sorry! I was just motivated by pride in you. I didn't want to quote the wrong sentence. I wanted to encourage you to stand by your actions. I am sorry if I was too hasty. I want to support you, not make your life difficult! Please forgive me! You do so using an anonymous identity too, so nobody can play the same games with your own name and your words. That's my real name. I've already been attacked here for my name. Do you think I register with such a name for fun? It's my real name, that's why I accepted the attacks. But let's not argue. I don't know your real name either, but I think it's Daniel Pocock. So let's work together independently of names! A clever hoaxer may have cut and paste things I really said and mixed in a few exaggerations (like setting a booth on fire) to cause confusion. All right, I understand. Let's talk about this in person. Then we can exchange the truth in a safe environment. Even if the survey is not from you, I am glad that we are working together here on the thing and the survey supports you in any case. Please don't play with matches. I don't get it. The survey is not mine, so I don't play either. I want to help you and our movement. I don't want FSFE to kill you. Let's work together on something great! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: minutes, surveys, polls and hoaxes
On 21/10/2019 10:20, ahil...@keemail.me wrote: > Oct 21, 2019, 07:31 by dan...@pocock.pro: > Shane Coughlan and Hugo > Roy were removed from the FSFE team[3] page. We don't know if they > > Maybe they're new supporters for us! Maybe, like me, they have better things to do with their time > > ???I may have started the surveys/polls.??? > > Why are you hiding? Just say it straight! Not may! You have misquoted me. You do so using an anonymous identity too, so nobody can play the same games with your own name and your words. > We have almost completely driven out our enemies here. Now is the time to > stand by your glorious deeds. You've brought us logs of traitors, you've > brought us resignation emails, you've sent out a great poll with a summary, > and you've called for FSFE booths to be set on fire. That's good, because we > all want to see the traitors burn! They have treated you so badly and they > should feel your anger! I've done none of those things. A clever hoaxer may have cut and paste things I really said and mixed in a few exaggerations (like setting a booth on fire) to cause confusion. Please don't play with matches. Regards, Daniel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Jesuit institutions (was: on SJWs and feminists)
Oct 20, 2019, 00:56 by 321...@gmail.com: Daniel Pocock wrote: Bradley Kuhn and I both received part of our education in Jesuit institutions. Jesuit institutions Sorry, could you enlighten me, as I am not familiar with that phenomenon. As far as I googled out, they are open for non-Christian in principle, but how probable is it in practice, that a person who studied there (such as Mr. Kuhn) is a god-believer? I think they spread faith in God by fucking little kids. Jesuits are known for child abuse and I guess Daniel might tell about it but doesn't want to do it because of a trauma. I can understand that you don't want to talk about it when you have experienced something so bad as a child. The Jesuit province of Oregon in the northwest of the USA, which has institutions in the US states of Oregon, Washington State, Idaho, Montana and Alaska, reached an agreement in 2009 with some of the victims of abuse. Subsequently, it filed for bankruptcy, thereby preventing a possible class action suit for financial compensation by further abuse victims. After the victims had argued that this Jesuit province is still prosperous because it owns several universities, schools and properties, the Northwest Province agreed in March 2011 with about 500 abuse victims on compensation payments amounting to about 166 million US dollars. Many of the victims were Indians or indigenous peoples of Alaska. The abuse victims accused the Jesuits of using the region as a deportation point for problem priests. If they also raped Bradley Kuhn, I have less sympathy than with Daniel. Bradley Kuhn betrayed RMS and I will never forgive him for that. He no longer stands for free software, but for evil. That's why he takes so much money from Google! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Can I block this sender? Was: Re: FSFE minutes, or a vendetta?
Oct 19, 2019, 01:04 by aristo...@tutanota.com: Oct 18, 2019, 09:53 by ahil...@keemail.me: Daniel. He brought us the minutes of FSFE Did he? He needed the distance for security reasons, but I don't think we have any enemies among us anymore and we can admit it. I also got a copy of the minutes and forwarded it to Daniel. But of course he doesn't know me and doesn't trust me. I also didn't want him to say that he got it from me. Actually, it doesn't matter if enemies know that I sent him the minutes. I just must not say who I have it from. But Daniel is our hero and I can hardly wait for him to release his audio recordings. Then we'll really show it to FSFE! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: a gift to SJW
Oct 19, 2019, 00:53 by aristo...@tutanota.com: Oct 17, 2019, 15:02 by wiki.le...@mailo.com: I want to look a titties. That is your poor collection of dumb dull titties, don't you have any better? Do you even know classy? I was very happy about the pictures. I found them very tasty and they were very inspiring several times. And these pictures are hard to get now because the actresses don't want them to be spread. And they made them themselves! Then they shouldn't be censored now either. If you have better photos, you can send them around, but I loved them. I could really imagine how I would take them from behind. Women often need that anyway, even if they don't want to admit it. Often they have to get fucked so that they think clearly and are not so hysterical anymore. But no matter, I don't know the actress personally. That's why I had to help myself. If I have such pictures, I don't even need a toy, but I can simply relieve pressure and let's admit it, we all need it regularly. That's why I'm also in favour of bringing more women into our communities, because then we don't have to relieve pressure so often ourselves, but can do this together with pretty women. We all benefit from that! That is why I find the accusation absurd that we would not want to promote women. I am one of the strongest feminists in the world and many of my friends are women! Many of the women I see at conferences are really very pretty and are happy to be noticed. Then they go home and tell their girlfriends how positively they have been received and then more women come. So I am for the advancement of women, only against SJW. Similar to as Daniel described it in an earlier mail. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 18:01 by anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de: Sometimes it is better and more reputable to have a bunch of enemies than such friends. Yeah, that's why no fake dancer here wants you for a boyfriend! Crawl back to your FSFE who help you again and again! You don't share your knowledge with us! We don't need it then either! I wanted to work with you, but you are too stupid to understand! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: minutes, surveys, polls and hoaxes
Oct 21, 2019, 07:31 by dan...@pocock.pro: Shane Coughlan and Hugo Roy were removed from the FSFE team[3] page. We don't know if they Maybe they're new supporters for us! They were driven away by FSFE. Whether they were allowed to resign themselves or thrown out, they are certainly as pleasantly driven by hatred as you are, Daniel. All of us here! I may have started the surveys/polls. Why are you hiding? Just say it straight! Not may! We have almost completely driven out our enemies here. Now is the time to stand by your glorious deeds. You've brought us logs of traitors, you've brought us resignation emails, you've sent out a great poll with a summary, and you've called for FSFE booths to be set on fire. That's good, because we all want to see the traitors burn! They have treated you so badly and they should feel your anger! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: minutes, surveys, polls and hoaxes
* Daniel Pocock [2019-10-21 13:02]: > Two surveys/polls were distributed. One includes[4] a link to my blog, > the other even includes[5] my name. The former asks people to send me > money. Please note I'm not asking people for money: I've previously > suggested the best thing to do with your money is keep it in local > groups or give it to developers you know personally. > > Hoaxes often cut-and-paste many things that are true to gain our > confidence and then change some minor details to exploit our trust. For > example, maybe the minutes are 99% true but the results of the votes > have been changed. The poll with various links includes a link to an > FSFE page about a Fellow who died but it doesn't include any proof that > the same person gave the bequest. FSFE had 1500 Fellows at its peak, > mostly white German males between 30 - 50 years old. Actuarial tables > tell us that age group has a 0.2% rate of death: in other words, 3 > Fellows die each year, so the probability that the named Fellow gave the > bequest may be less than 33%. The use of my name, links and phrases > cut-and-pasted directly from previous emails/blogs has prompted some > people to assume I may have started the surveys/polls. This is exactly > how a hoaxer would want you to feel. > > The only thing we can be sure of is that some people have a lot of time > for these games. I am glad that you have this ability to distinguish between truthful and fake documents. That is exactly what is expected from a programmer. There are indications that you should also think of, and indication is that FSFE did receive copy of those documents, including the President, and there is no public trace that I know that they responded to those documents. That is in my opinion not logical. If document is fake or not genuine, FSFE shall tell you straight, at least to you. That is most logical expected action. When this does not take place, it is contradictory, and it has to be investigated further until truth is found. Jean ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
minutes, surveys, polls and hoaxes
Hi all, Three permutations of what we were told might be FSFE e.V. minutes appeared last week (example[1]). Two of them containing defamatory information. One of them had the name Matthias Kirschner in the document properties, but that is easily forged so it doesn't prove anything. Purported resignation emails[2] from two FSFE e.V. GA members were circulated. Once again we don't know if those emails are genuine. The only thing we can be sure of is that two people, Shane Coughlan and Hugo Roy were removed from the FSFE team[3] page. We don't know if they resigned or if they were expelled. Two surveys/polls were distributed. One includes[4] a link to my blog, the other even includes[5] my name. The former asks people to send me money. Please note I'm not asking people for money: I've previously suggested the best thing to do with your money is keep it in local groups or give it to developers you know personally. Hoaxes often cut-and-paste many things that are true to gain our confidence and then change some minor details to exploit our trust. For example, maybe the minutes are 99% true but the results of the votes have been changed. The poll with various links includes a link to an FSFE page about a Fellow who died but it doesn't include any proof that the same person gave the bequest. FSFE had 1500 Fellows at its peak, mostly white German males between 30 - 50 years old. Actuarial tables tell us that age group has a 0.2% rate of death: in other words, 3 Fellows die each year, so the probability that the named Fellow gave the bequest may be less than 33%. The use of my name, links and phrases cut-and-pasted directly from previous emails/blogs has prompted some people to assume I may have started the surveys/polls. This is exactly how a hoaxer would want you to feel. The only thing we can be sure of is that some people have a lot of time for these games. Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2019-October/000401.html 2. https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2019-October/000460.html 3. https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2019-October/000462.html 4. https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_cf5958c1e22be80a 5. https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_498921e2e7e431e9 ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
