Re: FSFE GA minutes, fake or proof? (was: Fwd: Joint statement on the GNU Project + gnu-system-discuss)

[garfield]

Oct 17, 2019, 14:12 by bugs@gnu.support:

>
> Basically now they are afraid of Daniel Pocock as well, and wish to
> sue him for reasons of informing public.
>

Matthias Kirschner and Florian Snow are dressing up in policeman uniforms again

Oh no

Firemen uniforms are better, they rescue cats stuck in trees

Everybody run and hide with your cat under the sofa!!!

Its not even Monday yet.  I hate Mondays
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Re: FSFE GA minutes, fake or proof? (was: Fwd: Joint statement on the GNU Project + gnu-system-discuss)

[Jean Louis]

* Lori Nagel  [2019-10-17 18:30]:
> I can see them extending the terms on president and vice president
> especially if they are meeting up in person.  I mean, what a pain,
> all get somewhere in Europe to meet. We need better free software
> video conferencing solutions.

> As far as cutting the ties to the FSF goes, it seems like they
> wanted to make it a bit more political and not support stuff like
> dictatorships.  I can kind of understand, I mean this is Europe,
> they had World War II there.  Their structures are much more fragile
> than ours in the USA. (not that we are immune from the possibility,
> and it is something we must be ever vigilant about)

I did not want to introduce bad examples of other organizations.

Basically now they are afraid of Daniel Pocock as well, and wish to
sue him for reasons of informing public.

Daniel, now you are the target... maybe I will be next, then this list
comes, Thoughtpolice Squad is recruiting their members.

May I understand why Werner Koch is said "good bye"?

Jean
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Re: FSFE GA minutes, fake or proof? (was: Fwd: Joint statement on the GNU Project + gnu-system-discuss)

[garfield]

Oct 17, 2019, 10:08 by bugs@gnu.support:

> * Daniel Pocock  [2019-10-17 15:19]:
>
>> It seems incredible that a bunch of 11 people travel to Essen to
>> have a meeting and pass motions like this.  We just have to wait and
>> see when FSFE makes an official publication on their web site, they
>> have a Transparency page for things like this.
>>
>
> It says "confidential" so it is not transparent.
>
> That document leaked that is confidential shows that people having
> access to such document do not approve of the actions in that
> document.
>


leaked or hoaxed?  Why do they call this a cat house, no cat would be seen dead 
there

https://joeyskaggs.com/works/cathouse-for-dogs/ 


Thursday is the new Monday.  I hate Mondays

humans can be so gullible

hurt Dr Stallman and I put my claw in your arse


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Re: FSFE GA minutes, fake or proof? (was: Fwd: Joint statement on the GNU Project + gnu-system-discuss)

[Jean Louis]

* Daniel Pocock  [2019-10-17 15:19]:
> It has some mistakes in it though so maybe it is fake.  It also strikes
> me as odd that any organization could pass motions changing the quota
> requirements so dramatically without any opposition from members.

Process is similar to corporations, and it is corporation in itself as
it is legal entity (e.V.)

There is normally one or two bosses, and they decide everything and
propose agendas and so on, other people are just following.

As we do not know the statute, and the law, it is hard to say that
something is wrong. Constitution document is not reachable:
https://fsfe.org/about/transparency-commitment.html

But if there is something wrong in the e.V. even members and I think
also public individuals can make complaints not only to them but to
regulatory bodies.

> Why would they increase the president's term from 2 years to 6
> years?

That question is so common, it is quite similar to presidents and
political party leaders who try to change constitutions to increase
terms for their favors.

I do not say it is wrong though, I do not know. But it is common that
people in power while in power are abusing that power to gain more
benefits from the group they are in.

> It seems incredible that a bunch of 11 people travel to Essen to
> have a meeting and pass motions like this.  We just have to wait and
> see when FSFE makes an official publication on their web site, they
> have a Transparency page for things like this.

It says "confidential" so it is not transparent.

That document leaked that is confidential shows that people having
access to such document do not approve of the actions in that
document.

Question is if it is legal to distribute, but now when it is out, it
shall be out.

I am not getting the logics of FSFE board to place "confidential"
stamp on any document of such organization that is supposed to be
transparent.

The fact that FSFE says here:
https://fsfe.org/about/transparency-commitment.html

As part of its initiative “transparent civil society”, Transparency 
International Germany provides a guide on how to make a transparency 
commitment. This page guides you to the relevant information on our website.

Name, place, address, founding year.  Full constitution, minutes
from the annual assemblies, information about concrete goals and
how we want to reach them.

where they mention "minutes of annual minutes" BUT COMPLETELY AVOID
MENTIONING OTHER EVEN MORE IMPORTANT DECISIONS -- is evidence that
they are NOT TRANSPARENT. And that they are intentionally not
transparent. 

Condition is that document shown is genuine.

Jean
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Re: FSFE GA minutes, fake or proof? (was: Fwd: Joint statement on the GNU Project + gnu-system-discuss)

[Daniel Pocock]

On 17/10/2019 07:51, wikile...@mailo.com wrote:
> 
> On 17/10/2019 00:39:54 Europe/Paris Jean Louis wrote:
> 
>> RMS was smart
> 
> rms was deleted
> 
> now you have it
> 
> ultimate humiliation
> 


Thanks for sharing.  If this is fake news it is very well made, somebody
should get a prize for their efforts, maybe even the FSF award[1]?

It has some mistakes in it though so maybe it is fake.  It also strikes
me as odd that any organization could pass motions changing the quota
requirements so dramatically without any opposition from members.

Why would they increase the president's term from 2 years to 6 years?

It seems incredible that a bunch of 11 people travel to Essen to have a
meeting and pass motions like this.  We just have to wait and see when
FSFE makes an official publication on their web site, they have a
Transparency page for things like this.

Regards,

Daniel

1. https://danielpocock.com/what-does-fsf-censor/
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