Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct
Yes. And in case you haven’t seen, the board has asked the lccwg to convene and come up with recommendations — including Code of Conduct and moderation processes — for the OSMF Board to adopt. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/12/11/message-from-osmf-board-chair-on-mailing-list-behavior/ Mikel On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 9:16 PM, arnalie faye vicario wrote: The current Etiquette Guidelines is not enough. By the title, it is just a "guideline" - a suggestion or a piece of advice. We really need a CODE of Conduct that is enforceable with a committed moderator or working group. As a non-native English speaker, I have to look up the definitions in the dictionary to confirm. =Arnalie On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:06 AM Mikel Maron wrote: The etiquette guidelines have issues, but I’m not sure that’s one. If there was moderation and enforcement in place, than we wouldn’t need to call out publicly. Moderator could step in to do that. Prefer that way of handling it. Mikel On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:33 AM, Rory McCann wrote: Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish. Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome! ¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote: > I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us > coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the > change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us > from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's > not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like > those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse > communities around the world. > > Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed > out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it > seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a > bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds > of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation > and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of > etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the > existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took > about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find > volunteers for a committee. > > I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting > this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward! > > Maggie Cawley > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario > wrote: > > Hello/*Kumusta*, > > > > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this > > seriously. > > > > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, > > but a collective can build a fire (charcoal comparison). > > > > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial > > Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video). > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf> > > > > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia > > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter: > >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who > >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping > >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and > >> storytelling matters most. > > > > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam > > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members > > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support > > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really > > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk > > mailing list: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html. > > > > Let us keep the fire burning! > > > > =Arnalie > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow > > wrote: > >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and mys
Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct
eatherle...@gmail.com > >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow > >>> wrote: > >>>> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to > >>>> start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of > >>>> the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball > >>>> rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Great. working in the draft now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart. > >>>>> We can keep building. > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> Trudy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron, wrote: > >>>>>>> This is great > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Great! Editing now > >>>>>>> Hope we can have an initial chat > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> heather > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > Hi Heather, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things around > >>>>>>> > but really hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had > >>>>>>> > already started working on a statement to share. I am sharing here > >>>>>>> > for allies to add comments they would like to raise, and to > >>>>>>> > identify people who are keen to move this work forward: > >>>>>>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Rebecca > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:21 PM Heather Leson > >>>>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>> >> Hey > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> A few of us are going to meet this saturday about code of conduct > >>>>>>> >> in osm. There is a codw of conduct but we think there needs to be > >>>>>>> >> more. We can also touch on the diversity work that mikel shared > >>>>>>> >> previously. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> 1500 utc before the osmf board meeting at 1600 utc. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Hope you can join. This will be a
Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct
This is great * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson wrote: Great! Editing now Hope we can have an initial chat heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth wrote: > Hi Heather, > > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things around but really > hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had already started working > on a statement to share. I am sharing here for allies to add comments they > would like to raise, and to identify people who are keen to move this work > forward: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > Thanks, > > Rebecca > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:21 PM Heather Leson wrote: >> Hey >> >> A few of us are going to meet this saturday about code of conduct in osm. >> There is a codw of conduct but we think there needs to be more. We can also >> touch on the diversity work that mikel shared previously. >> >> 1500 utc before the osmf board meeting at 1600 utc. >> >> Hope you can join. This will be a small group discussion. We can always >> widen the circle later. >> >> Link to be shared later. Note this will be a safe and positive space >> discussion. We will adhere strongly to the diversity list code. >> >> Thanks so much >> >> >> Heather >> ___ >> Diversity-talk mailing list >> Code of Conduct: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> > > > -- > > > ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Notes posted on DISC, thoughts on research
Hey all Finally got around to posting information about the DISC and our recent meeting to the OSMF wiki: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_and_Inclusion_Special_Committee I also was chatting with Martin Dittus, who has done a lot of research on HOT http://martindittus.info/, for his insight on how to approach the survey work. Thought I'd share his thoughts. > I don’t have quite the right specialisation for this, but can offer some > general reflections based on the above. Regarding filling in gaps, a) > Surveys. Might be worth to simply review what old & recent surveys are > available, and (if you want to run your own) how they phrased these kinds of > questions. I imagine Yu-wei might have good perspectives on survey design if > needed - her approach might actually already be described in the paper. b) > there is of course survivorship bias there in any such survey - it won’t tell > us why people dropped out. For that I’d recommend more ethnographic > approaches, people who’ve accompanied the community and have seen/heard > stories. C) generally I suspect that a lot of the work that is being asked > for has already been done, and it’s simply not been collated and given > visibility. It might be worthwhile to eg review all the documents linked in > that Diversity wiki page above and see what kind of recommendations the > authors make. Broadly speaking I suspect the committee’s time might be well > spent not trying to reproduce the most recent stats, but instead simply > finding succinct articulations of known specific issues; ie a kind of > visibility & strategy-setting agenda This echoes a lot of the thoughts during our first meetings of the DISC -- there's a lot existing to draw on, and what's the most we can make with it. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
Thanks everyone for the follow on discussion. Please keep it going! I had promised a next action myself to digest and post to OSMF wiki, including some next steps that others can take up. But I ran out of time, and that's not going to happen for another 1.5 weeks, I'm going offline for the kids' school break. In the mean time, if someone wanted to step in and start organizing my notes into more tangible discrete tasks, please do. Something else I intend to do is more direct outreach to folks to join this group. We need more diversity in the diversity committee! I think there's a lot OSMF can learn from what other folks have already done in our community, and I hope to develop relationships to explore this more. -Mikel On Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 01:15:48 PM EST, Mikel Maron wrote: We just concluded second of two meetings today. Lots to digest, thanks to those who were able to make it. Raw notes are at https://hackmd.io/3cy5P9fhSvSVI8gkIHIX6w?view. My next action is to digest a bit, and create a page on the OSMF wiki with some things that came out of the meeting. Other next steps. Maggie is going to start a OSM wiki page to gather previous research, Rory is looking at tweaks to the Diversity Statement, and Jinal is putting together a short form to gather details on interest from people who didn't make this meeting. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 01:41:45 PM EST, Mikel Maron wrote: Last month, the OSMF adopted this Diversity Statement [1] and appointed a committee [2] to compile research and undertake new research on our diversity, identify root causes that contribute to any shortfalls, and make recommendations to help resolve issues and improve. If you're interested to take part, join an upcoming initial meeting of the committee. We're holding a first meeting on Wednesday February 12 at 1400 UTC [3] on Mumble [4] (in the public OSMF Board of Directors room). Please join if you'd like to contribute. If you're unavailable at that time, let us know other times that might work, and we can schedule another kickoff meeting in addition. [1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_Statement [2] https://hackmd.io/ZG8x44H4Skq0CPkcrMTB6A?view [3] Timezone converter: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DISC+Meeting=20200212T14=1440 [4] How to use Mumble: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble -Mikel ___ osmf-talk mailing list osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
We just concluded second of two meetings today. Lots to digest, thanks to those who were able to make it. Raw notes are at https://hackmd.io/3cy5P9fhSvSVI8gkIHIX6w?view. My next action is to digest a bit, and create a page on the OSMF wiki with some things that came out of the meeting. Other next steps. Maggie is going to start a OSM wiki page to gather previous research, Rory is looking at tweaks to the Diversity Statement, and Jinal is putting together a short form to gather details on interest from people who didn't make this meeting. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 01:41:45 PM EST, Mikel Maron wrote: Last month, the OSMF adopted this Diversity Statement [1] and appointed a committee [2] to compile research and undertake new research on our diversity, identify root causes that contribute to any shortfalls, and make recommendations to help resolve issues and improve. If you're interested to take part, join an upcoming initial meeting of the committee. We're holding a first meeting on Wednesday February 12 at 1400 UTC [3] on Mumble [4] (in the public OSMF Board of Directors room). Please join if you'd like to contribute. If you're unavailable at that time, let us know other times that might work, and we can schedule another kickoff meeting in addition. [1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_Statement[2] https://hackmd.io/ZG8x44H4Skq0CPkcrMTB6A?view[3] Timezone converter: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DISC+Meeting=20200212T14=1440[4] How to use Mumble: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble -Mikel ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
There’s really no good time that works universally. These won’t be the only meetings or way to get involved, they’re just to get things moving. Mikel On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 1:40 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:12 +, Mikel Maron wrote: To accommodate time zones, we’ll hold this initial meeting twice, the second at 1700 UTC on the same day, Wednesday February 12. I’ve blocked out an hour for each, but if you can only attend a portion that’s fine too. Hi Mikel Would it not be better to hold these meetings on a weekend when more people are likely to be available? Whilst Europe is very much awake at these times, 14:00 is also working time, 17:00 is end of work time, commute time and woking time in North America. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] [Osmf-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
To accommodate time zones, we’ll hold this initial meeting twice, the second at 1700 UTC on the same day, Wednesday February 12. I’ve blocked out an hour for each, but if you can only attend a portion that’s fine too. Expect we’ll discuss the scope of work laid out by the Board, sketch initial work plans, and figure out logistics and timing and structure of future meetings. I’d rather not “chair” the meetings after this, so if you’re interested we can discuss at either meeting and decide after both. I’ll take minutes if no one else volunteers and circulate after. Mikel On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 1:44 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: Last month, the OSMF adopted this Diversity Statement [1] and appointed a committee [2] to compile research and undertake new research on our diversity, identify root causes that contribute to any shortfalls, and make recommendations to help resolve issues and improve. If you're interested to take part, join an upcoming initial meeting of the committee. We're holding a first meeting on Wednesday February 12 at 1400 UTC [3] on Mumble [4] (in the public OSMF Board of Directors room). Please join if you'd like to contribute. If you're unavailable at that time, let us know other times that might work, and we can schedule another kickoff meeting in addition. [1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_Statement[2] https://hackmd.io/ZG8x44H4Skq0CPkcrMTB6A?view[3] Timezone converter: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DISC+Meeting=20200212T14=1440[4] How to use Mumble: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble -Mikel ___ osmf-talk mailing list osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
Heather -- I chose a time next week that would be near waking hours for maximum number of timezones. We can have more than one initial meeting. Want to get this moving. Suggest another time to me and we can schedule another.-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Thursday, February 6, 2020, 04:06:43 PM EST, Heather Leson wrote: Hi how did you choose this time? I really want to attend as someone who had been engaged in this topic. Reason for response: i am in a work event during this time. Thanks in advance and am glad to see actions Heather On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, 19:42 Mikel Maron, wrote: Last month, the OSMF adopted this Diversity Statement [1] and appointed a committee [2] to compile research and undertake new research on our diversity, identify root causes that contribute to any shortfalls, and make recommendations to help resolve issues and improve. If you're interested to take part, join an upcoming initial meeting of the committee. We're holding a first meeting on Wednesday February 12 at 1400 UTC [3] on Mumble [4] (in the public OSMF Board of Directors room). Please join if you'd like to contribute. If you're unavailable at that time, let us know other times that might work, and we can schedule another kickoff meeting in addition. [1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_Statement[2] https://hackmd.io/ZG8x44H4Skq0CPkcrMTB6A?view[3] Timezone converter: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DISC+Meeting=20200212T14=1440[4] How to use Mumble: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble -Mikel ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] First Meeting of Diversity and Inclusion Special Committee
Last month, the OSMF adopted this Diversity Statement [1] and appointed a committee [2] to compile research and undertake new research on our diversity, identify root causes that contribute to any shortfalls, and make recommendations to help resolve issues and improve. If you're interested to take part, join an upcoming initial meeting of the committee. We're holding a first meeting on Wednesday February 12 at 1400 UTC [3] on Mumble [4] (in the public OSMF Board of Directors room). Please join if you'd like to contribute. If you're unavailable at that time, let us know other times that might work, and we can schedule another kickoff meeting in addition. [1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Diversity_Statement[2] https://hackmd.io/ZG8x44H4Skq0CPkcrMTB6A?view[3] Timezone converter: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DISC+Meeting=20200212T14=1440[4] How to use Mumble: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble -Mikel ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/who-maps-the-world/555272/ * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
