Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Paul Norman]

On 3/26/2018 1:24 PM, Rory McCann wrote:

Any ideas for topics?


Some ideas

- Regional languages. Is there a regional language you speak? Make sure 
that you're adding it to the map when objects have a name in that 
language. Unfortunately, this isn't great for a global project because 
not everyone can do it.


- Traditionally "blue-collar" areas. It's fairly well known that these 
are underrepresented in OSM, and there's a lot of mapping that can be 
done remotely. Something I've worked on has been mapping industrial 
parks. For these, a basic mapping would be buildings, industrial area 
names, building numbers, landuse, and service roads on them. Many 
industrial parks have places to eat to serve the workers around them and 
these are important to map too. There's lots more that could be mapped, 
but this would be a good start.


- Wheelchair access has lots of resources, but isn't underrepresented in 
OSM mapping.


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Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Rory McCann]

Hi all,

I've set up a poll to solicit feedback, with the items below. Yes i know
we're a bit into Q2 already.

https://framadate.org/iICunKdggDUaDEmE

"Yes" for "This sounds OK", "No" for no, "ifneedbe" (yellow tick) for
"I'd need someone to explain this to me before mapping".

Rory

On 26/03/18 22:24, Rory McCann wrote:

Hi guys, gals and non-binary pals,

Some OSM groups have "quarterly projects" where they improve the state
of something in OSM in their area, e.g. the UK OSM community once worked
on schools in the UK for a quarter.

How about we do that? Every quarter (3 months) pick some topic,
something that is traditionally underrepresented in OSM, and we try to
improve the state of that in OSM.

There's been lots of legit talk lately about what is and isn't mapped in
OSM, so let's try to map it! There's more than just adding data. We
could also try to improve documentation (written/video), editor presets,
figure out tagging schemes, map rendering, finding data to use, etc. But
we're a geographically spread group, so we can all probably add
something to the map. There are things that aren't mapped in OSM, so
let's map them! 

Any ideas for topics? Off the top of my head: the recently mentioned
amenity=childcare tag, recently mentioned women's health care
facilities, wheelchair accessibility, gay bars, gendered toilets for
trans/gnc/etc people, minority language? HOT/MM is already doing a lot
in areas where the maps are missing . Any more ideas? Nearly all of us
are privileged in some axis, so someone not in that group must be
careful not to tell marginalized people how to map their thing, and
ensure we map it correctly ("The X tag is useless now after all those
diversity people added all that junk!")

What do yous think? Would many be interested in taking part?



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Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:24 +0200, Rory McCann wrote:
> Hi guys, gals and non-binary pals,

Some interesting ideas, it is difficult to find a single object that
will exist on a worldwide scale.

Some OSM groups have "quarterly projects" where they improve the
state
> of something in OSM in their area, e.g. the UK OSM community once
> worked
> on schools in the UK for a quarter.

This was a great success, schools are a common feature so everyone had
a chance to contribute. We have access to a government database of
schools and were able to add missing schools and also add additional
information and improve the mapping. A lot of changing from node to
area was done as well as moving tags to the campus. Tagging buildings
doesn't really work as most schools have multiple buildings.

Schools are relatively easy to armchair, the project was done during
the dark evenings, as they are large and surrounded by sports fields
making them distinctive on imagery. 

The database also contains Nurseries so many of those were added as
part of the project.


> 
> How about we do that? Every quarter (3 months) pick some topic,
> something that is traditionally underrepresented in OSM, and we try
> to
> improve the state of that in OSM.
> 
> There's been lots of legit talk lately about what is and isn't mapped
> in
> OSM, so let's try to map it! There's more than just adding data. We
> could also try to improve documentation (written/video), editor
> presets,
> figure out tagging schemes, map rendering, finding data to use, etc.
> But
> we're a geographically spread group, so we can all probably add
> something to the map. There are things that aren't mapped in OSM, so
> let's map them! 
> 
> Any ideas for topics? Off the top of my head: the recently mentioned
> amenity=childcare tag, 

I am not sure that I understand what is missing here, we have mapped
Nursery Schools as amenity=kindergarten which has no English meaning
and is one of the American terms we use in OSM such as sidewalk. I know
it is German for Childrens Garden.

Nursery Schools offer pre school education for 3 and 4 year old and
many offer babycare and after school/school holiday care. All 3 and 4
year olds are entitled to 15 hours free Nursery Education a week, these
are verifiable and are/can be mapped.

Other childcare is provided by Registered Childminders, these are
contactable through adverts/social services, but are in private homes
and are not something we can or should map.

I am not sure what else there is to map in this category but open to
suggestions.


> recently mentioned women's health care facilities, 
Where I live these are provided through the general healthcare, either
through the local doctors surgery or will be departments within the
local hospitals. They are not standalone facilities.

> wheelchair accessibility, 
Something we can do, edge cases will need more specialist knowledge. In
my experience toilets will be the main issue.

> gay bars,
A big city thing I think. The small town I live in is pretty inclusive.

> gendered toilets for trans/gnc/etc people, 
Not something I have ever come across, as far as I am aware in the UK
transgendered people can legally use whichever toilet they feel more
comfortable with.

> gendered toilets
As a European this was something that had never occurred to me. The
norm is that there will be a male/female/unisex disabled. 

Mapping the gender had never occurred to me until I was at an interesting talk 
at SOTM Brussels. 

> minority language? 
Locally there is a big drive to add Welsh language names to OSM,. At the 
weekend I was at a concert that was a bit Welsh and a bit Cornish Synth Pop. 
I'm not sure Cornish is anywhere near the coverage Welsh has. 


HOT/MM is already doing a lot
> in areas where the maps are missing

 . Any more ideas? Nearly all of us
> are privileged in some axis, so someone not in that group must be
> careful not to tell marginalized people how to map their thing, and
> ensure we map it correctly ("The X tag is useless now after all those
> diversity people added all that junk!")

As a community we are mostly from a techie background that generally puts us 
into a middle class background. We do not attract mappers from social housing 
for example. Just off the top of my head shops offering topups for prepayment 
meters, social clubs, bingo halls but that is me, a middle class engineer 
without a clue. 
> 
> What do yous think? Would many be interested in taking part?

I'm certainly interested in mapping those things that are off my radar. 

Phil (trigpoint) 
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Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Srravya C]

Oh, alright. Thanks for explaining. :)

On 27 March 2018 at 12:46, Rory McCann  wrote:

> On 27/03/18 09:00, Srravya C wrote:
>
>> What does minority language mean? I am not sure what you were referring
>> to.
>>
>
> Some country have many official and/or minority languages (as someone
> from India, you should know what I'm talking about ). If you try to
> make a map from OSM with those langauges (using the name:XX tag), you
> can find coverage of that is a bit poor, with not many
> countries/cities/towns/states/etc having such a tag. So we could try to
> ensure that those names are in OSM.
>
> I was just brainstorming for new ideas.
>
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Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Rory McCann]

On 27/03/18 09:00, Srravya C wrote:

What does minority language mean? I am not sure what you were referring to.


Some country have many official and/or minority languages (as someone
from India, you should know what I'm talking about ). If you try to
make a map from OSM with those langauges (using the name:XX tag), you
can find coverage of that is a bit poor, with not many
countries/cities/towns/states/etc having such a tag. So we could try to
ensure that those names are in OSM.

I was just brainstorming for new ideas.

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Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Srravya C]

Hi Rory,

This is an exciting idea!  I'm interested in being a part of such quarterly
projects! The possibilities are wide open. We could begin with mapping some
under-mapped amenities which are of interest to this diversity group/list.

What does minority language mean? I am not sure what you were referring to.

Cheers,
Srr



On 27 March 2018 at 01:54, Rory McCann  wrote:

> Hi guys, gals and non-binary pals,
>
> Some OSM groups have "quarterly projects" where they improve the state
> of something in OSM in their area, e.g. the UK OSM community once worked
> on schools in the UK for a quarter.
>
> How about we do that? Every quarter (3 months) pick some topic,
> something that is traditionally underrepresented in OSM, and we try to
> improve the state of that in OSM.
>
> There's been lots of legit talk lately about what is and isn't mapped in
> OSM, so let's try to map it! There's more than just adding data. We
> could also try to improve documentation (written/video), editor presets,
> figure out tagging schemes, map rendering, finding data to use, etc. But
> we're a geographically spread group, so we can all probably add
> something to the map. There are things that aren't mapped in OSM, so
> let's map them! 
>
> Any ideas for topics? Off the top of my head: the recently mentioned
> amenity=childcare tag, recently mentioned women's health care
> facilities, wheelchair accessibility, gay bars, gendered toilets for
> trans/gnc/etc people, minority language? HOT/MM is already doing a lot
> in areas where the maps are missing . Any more ideas? Nearly all of us
> are privileged in some axis, so someone not in that group must be
> careful not to tell marginalized people how to map their thing, and
> ensure we map it correctly ("The X tag is useless now after all those
> diversity people added all that junk!")
>
> What do yous think? Would many be interested in taking part?
>
> --
> Rory
>
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[Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

[Rory McCann]

Hi guys, gals and non-binary pals,

Some OSM groups have "quarterly projects" where they improve the state
of something in OSM in their area, e.g. the UK OSM community once worked
on schools in the UK for a quarter.

How about we do that? Every quarter (3 months) pick some topic,
something that is traditionally underrepresented in OSM, and we try to
improve the state of that in OSM.

There's been lots of legit talk lately about what is and isn't mapped in
OSM, so let's try to map it! There's more than just adding data. We
could also try to improve documentation (written/video), editor presets,
figure out tagging schemes, map rendering, finding data to use, etc. But
we're a geographically spread group, so we can all probably add
something to the map. There are things that aren't mapped in OSM, so
let's map them! 

Any ideas for topics? Off the top of my head: the recently mentioned
amenity=childcare tag, recently mentioned women's health care
facilities, wheelchair accessibility, gay bars, gendered toilets for
trans/gnc/etc people, minority language? HOT/MM is already doing a lot
in areas where the maps are missing . Any more ideas? Nearly all of us
are privileged in some axis, so someone not in that group must be
careful not to tell marginalized people how to map their thing, and
ensure we map it correctly ("The X tag is useless now after all those
diversity people added all that junk!")

What do yous think? Would many be interested in taking part?

-- 
Rory

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