Re: Improving MSSQL and Azure SQL support on Django
Hey Tim, We are continuing to follow up with Michael and have reached out to Michiya as well. We have not abandoned the idea of providing engineering resources either, and are still working out the logistics with Michael as he will help direct our efforts. We are syncing again in mid-April to discuss the next steps; we are hoping to start identifying a plan, come up with a proposal and start working on this shortly after. Regards, Vin On Friday, 11 March 2016 10:54:01 UTC-8, Tim Graham wrote: > > Yes, I wonder if Microsoft abandoned the idea of providing engineering > resources to help out projects like django-mssql or if things are just > moving really slowly? I'm not aware of any follow up related to that idea > since Michael, Michiya, and I visited Microsoft in October. > > On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:43:16 PM UTC-5, Cristiano Coelho wrote: >> >> "Improve documentation/examples [decrease confusion]: There's already so >> much awesome content out there on getting started with Django (but not many >> are referencing MSSQL as the db of choice or why MSSQL is a great option)." >> >> I wouldn't think of MSSQL as a great option for django at least until it >> is supported natively and not through 3rd party apps which are always >> behind django updates. >> >> El martes, 8 de marzo de 2016, 23:20:58 (UTC-3), Vin Yu escribió: >>> >>> Hey Tim, >>> >>> We've gotten lots of questions about the tools when we announced SQL >>> Server on Linux. I am curious; what are the DB management/development tasks >>> that are being performed by your coworkers? What are they using SSMS for? I >>> am interested in learning more. [Perhaps we can follow up by email as this >>> seens off-topic here :) ] >>> >>> In terms of strengthening the story for MSSQL-Django, I think there is a >>> little bit of both difficulty and confusion over options; here are some >>> ideas that we are working on and could solve these issues: >>> >>>- Improve documentation/examples [decrease confusion]: There's >>>already so much awesome content out there on getting started with Django >>>(but not many are referencing MSSQL as the db of choice or why MSSQL is >>> a >>>great option). >>>- Improve getting started experience [decrease difficulty]: Getting >>>MSSQL for development (free and easy/fast set up) is hard today;this is >>> on >>>MSFT to improve this experience. >>> >>> We want to help provide better developer experiences for those who want >>> to create new Django apps + MSSQL databases and if MSSQL were in the core, >>> it would definitely help with that. This would increase usage and is >>> something we are striving to achieve. We will continue to work with the >>> community to make this happen. >>> >>> =) , >>> Vin >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, 8 March 2016 10:13:34 UTC-8, Tim Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> [slightly off-topic] I'm wondering if this will extend to SQL Server >>>> Management Studio. While I'm mainly a command line basher, many of >>>> coworkers are married to the GUI. I've found SSMS blows the competition >>>> out >>>> of the water when it comes to DB management GUIs. I'm wondering if this >>>> means SSMS will run on Linux (or Mac) eventually. >>>> >>>> This is certainly very big news. I wouldn't be shocked to some day see >>>> Windows itself running on the Linux Kernel. >>>> >>>> Meet, how can we help strengthen the story for MSSQL-Django? It seems >>>> we have a chicken and egg problem here. A very small amount of Django >>>> sites >>>> use SQL Server, but is that because of the difficulty in the available >>>> stack and confusion over options? Would usage increase if provided in core? >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:03:29 PM UTC-5, Josh Smeaton wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow, that's really great news! I haven't used mssql for a number of >>>>> years but it was always very nice to work with. Having it available to >>>>> run >>>>> on linux will make it much easier for the Django community to test >>>>> against >>>>> mssql, provided we're able to get/develop an appropriate driver and >>>>> backend. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 8 March 2016 09:37:06 UTC+1
Re: Improving MSSQL and Azure SQL support on Django
Hey Tim, We've gotten lots of questions about the tools when we announced SQL Server on Linux. I am curious; what are the DB management/development tasks that are being performed by your coworkers? What are they using SSMS for? I am interested in learning more. [Perhaps we can follow up by email as this seens off-topic here :) ] In terms of strengthening the story for MSSQL-Django, I think there is a little bit of both difficulty and confusion over options; here are some ideas that we are working on and could solve these issues: - Improve documentation/examples [decrease confusion]: There's already so much awesome content out there on getting started with Django (but not many are referencing MSSQL as the db of choice or why MSSQL is a great option). - Improve getting started experience [decrease difficulty]: Getting MSSQL for development (free and easy/fast set up) is hard today;this is on MSFT to improve this experience. We want to help provide better developer experiences for those who want to create new Django apps + MSSQL databases and if MSSQL were in the core, it would definitely help with that. This would increase usage and is something we are striving to achieve. We will continue to work with the community to make this happen. =) , Vin On Tuesday, 8 March 2016 10:13:34 UTC-8, Tim Allen wrote: > > [slightly off-topic] I'm wondering if this will extend to SQL Server > Management Studio. While I'm mainly a command line basher, many of > coworkers are married to the GUI. I've found SSMS blows the competition out > of the water when it comes to DB management GUIs. I'm wondering if this > means SSMS will run on Linux (or Mac) eventually. > > This is certainly very big news. I wouldn't be shocked to some day see > Windows itself running on the Linux Kernel. > > Meet, how can we help strengthen the story for MSSQL-Django? It seems we > have a chicken and egg problem here. A very small amount of Django sites > use SQL Server, but is that because of the difficulty in the available > stack and confusion over options? Would usage increase if provided in core? > > On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 6:03:29 PM UTC-5, Josh Smeaton wrote: >> >> Wow, that's really great news! I haven't used mssql for a number of years >> but it was always very nice to work with. Having it available to run on >> linux will make it much easier for the Django community to test against >> mssql, provided we're able to get/develop an appropriate driver and >> backend. >> >> Cheers >> >> On Tuesday, 8 March 2016 09:37:06 UTC+11, Meet Bhagdev wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> On interacting with several Django developers and committers, one of the >>> questions often came up, can I use SQL Server on non Window OS's? I wanted >>> to share that today Microsoft announced SQL Server availibility on Linux - >>> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/ >>> . >>> >>> While there is still work needed to strengthen the MSSQL-Django story, >>> we hope this aids more Linux developers to give SQL Server a shot. Let me >>> know of your thoughts and questions :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Meet >>> >>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-8, Vin Yu wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Folks, >>>> >>>> My name is Vin and I work with Meet in the Microsoft SQL Server team. >>>> Just wanted to let you all know we are still looking into how we can >>>> better >>>> improve and support MSSQL for the Django framework. We’ll continue to sync >>>> with Michael and let you know of any updates soon. >>>> >>>> Christiano and Tim - thanks for sharing your interest and sharing how >>>> you are using Django with MSSQL. It's great to learn from your scenarios. >>>> >>>> If you have any concerns, questions or comments feel free to reach out >>>> to me at vinsonyu[at]microsoft.com >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/django-developers. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/f063b98a-b82c-47d1-b4b6-d7b2bb4228d7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Improving MSSQL and Azure SQL support on Django
Hey Folks, My name is Vin and I work with Meet in the Microsoft SQL Server team. Just wanted to let you all know we are still looking into how we can better improve and support MSSQL for the Django framework. We’ll continue to sync with Michael and let you know of any updates soon. Christiano and Tim - thanks for sharing your interest and sharing how you are using Django with MSSQL. It's great to learn from your scenarios. If you have any concerns, questions or comments feel free to reach out to me at vinsonyu[at]microsoft.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/django-developers. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/19995339-c5cd-4db6-9ca5-8fe550438310%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
