Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
Can we PLEASE not have this argument? It's literally as old as email itself, and totally futile. Drop it. Now. Jacob On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Wim Lewis wrote: > > On 4 Jun 2013, at 12:00 PM, Daniele Procida wrote: >> * quote what needs to be quoted for context >> * don't quote anything that doesn't need to be quoted > > This is, I think, the most useful/important point. There's no need to include > a whole string of previous messages in later ones; this isn't 1985, we all > have access to the rest of the thread if we want to go look. Trim the quotes > to what's immediately relevant or don't even include them. > >> * replies to particular points go immediately below quoted material > > This is certainly my preference, but as Michael Manfre says, I think it's not > something we need to be particularly uniform or strict about. I'd much rather > people put their effort into writing clearly than worrying about local > quoting customs. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
On 4 Jun 2013, at 12:00 PM, Daniele Procida wrote: > * quote what needs to be quoted for context > * don't quote anything that doesn't need to be quoted This is, I think, the most useful/important point. There's no need to include a whole string of previous messages in later ones; this isn't 1985, we all have access to the rest of the thread if we want to go look. Trim the quotes to what's immediately relevant or don't even include them. > * replies to particular points go immediately below quoted material This is certainly my preference, but as Michael Manfre says, I think it's not something we need to be particularly uniform or strict about. I'd much rather people put their effort into writing clearly than worrying about local quoting customs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Yo-Yo Ma wrote: > Thoughts? > > I think we should all continue to write messages the way we deem best on an email by email basis. The content of the message is more important than whether we reply above or below and it's basically impossible for everyone to consistently adhere to the same style without enforcement. Trying to enforce guidelines would be more futile than trying to keep people from posting django-users questions here. Regards, Michael Manfre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, Yo-Yo Ma wrote: >If you're posting to this list by logging in to https://groups.google.com/ >rather than via email, I'd like to propose that you write your reply above >the quoted message to which you're replying. I think that would be a bad idea. >The way it stands now, about half >of the messages that I can see (without clicking to the Google Groups >website) are just: > >> So and So said: >>> This that the other >>> and the other That looks as though other people have been doing upside-down quoting too, but I'm not sure because I'm not sure what the digest does. >Thoughts? I propose the opposite: * quote what needs to be quoted for context * don't quote anything that doesn't need to be quoted * replies to particular points go immediately below quoted material This makes it easier to read and follow a thread, and is a far more comfortable way to understand who is saying what, and in reply to whom. Daniele -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
Certainly, when a user is replying to portions of a quoted text separately (as Russel often does) it is helpful to break up the quoted text into actionable sections and reply below each. However, when a user is simply clicking the "Post Reply" button, chances are, it's going to be easier to read as: Post 1 Post 2 >> noise Post 3 >> noise Rather than as: Post 1 >>Post 1 Post 2 >> Post 1 >> Post 2 Post 3 >> Post 1 >> Post 2 >> Post 3 Post 4 >> Post 1 >> Post 2 >> Post 3 >> Post 4 Post 5 Also to reiterate, in email digests the latter format results in the reply not even being included in the email. Since this is a mailing list, it's sometimes useful to be able to actually read a digest of it it in your email. Cheers Yo-Yo On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 1:28:47 PM UTC-4, Javier Guerra wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Yo-Yo Ma > > wrote: > > Thoughts? > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > > > -- > Javier > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Yo-Yo Ma wrote: > Thoughts? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Javier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
I think I just posted a quick reply and I wasn't sure whether to quote above or below, but from now on I'll be glad to post in the way that provides easier readability for everyone. For long proposals, I'll keep replying below quotes for exactly the same reason. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > I think trying to get anyone to change their posting habit is a futile > effort. Cheers, AT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
On Jun 4, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Yo-Yo Ma wrote: > If you're posting to this list by logging in to https://groups.google.com/ > rather than via email, I'd like to propose that you write your reply above > the quoted message to which you're replying. If you do this, the digest > emails that most subscribers get will be easily previewable from their email > client (e.g., iPhone's Mail app). The way it stands now, about half of the > messages that I can see (without clicking to the Google Groups website) are > just: > > > So and So said: > >> This that the other > >> and the other > > > So and So said: > >> This that the other > >> and the other > > Thoughts? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > I think trying to get anyone to change their posting habit is a futile effort. - Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Meta-Proposal: Write *above* quotations in mailing list replies
If you're posting to this list by logging in to https://groups.google.com/ rather than via email, I'd like to propose that you write your reply above the quoted message to which you're replying. If you do this, the digest emails that most subscribers get will be easily previewable from their email client (e.g., iPhone's Mail app). The way it stands now, about half of the messages that I can see (without clicking to the Google Groups website) are just: > So and So said: >> This that the other >> and the other > So and So said: >> This that the other >> and the other Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
