Re: Creating internal/admin pages without Models

2022-10-26 Thread Vasanth Mohan 
Hi Carlton,

While django-admin-views 
indeed gives us the option to add custom views, it still is locked to the
App/Model based organisation which reflects the DB. Moreover, it still
necessitates that I build the page by hand.

I'm interested to know if it would be possible to reuse the admin widgets
like ListView Table with its filters, search etc on a custom view.

Thanks,
Vasanth MOHAN


On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 21:40, Carlton Gibson 
wrote:

> Check out Django-admin-views
>
> https://github.com/frankwiles/django-admin-views
>
> I think it needs a bit of an update for recent versions of Django (but I
> suspect those are minor) and o tho knit does what you’re after (or close)
>
> On Tuesday, 25 October 2022, Vasanth Mohan  wrote:
>
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>> Most of my cases are for internal tools and grouping together unrelated
>> tables as you just summarised. Some examples are,
>>
>> - Writing text that can need to send out to clients by triggering a
>> predefined email templates
>> - Creating internal forms that should be saved to multiple tables or
>> throw an error
>> - Custom templates for showing unrelated & unrelated data
>>
>> While these can be done normally with templates, the key difference is
>> these are internal pages and do not need to be super stylised. Performance
>> is far more important than the UI. A minimal stylisation would be good
>> enough is most cases.
>>
>> Being able to leverage admin widgets would improve task turnaround time
>> and reduce frontend work to only client-facing logic.
>>
>>
>> Vasanth MOHAN
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 14:10, Igor Margitich  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vasanth,
>>>
>>> Can you ptovide an example when do you need generic admin view? I have
>>> case where I need gather some information from different not directly
>>> related tables. I have used
>>> https://pypi.org/project/django-nonrelated-inlines/. Can't say it is
>>> exactly what I need but seems it does the job.
>>> Also sometimes I need action's intermediate page which is more then just
>>> simple template. This is the case where would be nice to have CBV. Watch
>>> this presentation to get some ideas about CBV actions
>>> https://youtu.be/HJfPkbzcCJQ?t=1817.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ihor
>>>
>>> вт, 25 окт. 2022 г. в 11:22, Vasanth Mohan :
>>>
 Hello,

 I'd like to gauge the general opinion of more experienced devs before
 starting on a project.

 I personally love the sheer flexibility that the django admin provides
 me to get started on the DB and manage the backend. I can add actions,
 filters and charts with just a few third-party apps. On top of that,
 permissions to control user access to everything.

 However, I find myself having to build a separate set of templates and
 view for internal use often as the admin is tightly tied to the DB. I find
 myself not being able to expose the admin as it requires too much
 customisation to be useful to tech & non-tech teams at the same time.
 Moreover, DB structure is not as intuitive to non-tech users.

 So I'd like to build a generic admin view that is not tied to the DB
 but can still leverage the widgets (tables, inputs, messages etc.) that
 Django offers. A set of tools to design custom pages like django-etc and
 design easy-to-customise top/sidebars

 My question to the reader is quite simple, is this something feasible ?
 Are all widgets tightly coupled and expect models to function ? Anything
 you believe that might trip me up?

 Thanks,
 Vaz

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Re: Creating internal/admin pages without Models

2022-10-25 Thread Carlton Gibson 
Check out Django-admin-views

https://github.com/frankwiles/django-admin-views

I think it needs a bit of an update for recent versions of Django (but I
suspect those are minor) and o tho knit does what you’re after (or close)

On Tuesday, 25 October 2022, Vasanth Mohan  wrote:

> Hi Igor,
>
> Most of my cases are for internal tools and grouping together unrelated
> tables as you just summarised. Some examples are,
>
> - Writing text that can need to send out to clients by triggering a
> predefined email templates
> - Creating internal forms that should be saved to multiple tables or throw
> an error
> - Custom templates for showing unrelated & unrelated data
>
> While these can be done normally with templates, the key difference is
> these are internal pages and do not need to be super stylised. Performance
> is far more important than the UI. A minimal stylisation would be good
> enough is most cases.
>
> Being able to leverage admin widgets would improve task turnaround time
> and reduce frontend work to only client-facing logic.
>
>
> Vasanth MOHAN
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 14:10, Igor Margitich  wrote:
>
>> Hi Vasanth,
>>
>> Can you ptovide an example when do you need generic admin view? I have
>> case where I need gather some information from different not directly
>> related tables. I have used https://pypi.org/project/
>> django-nonrelated-inlines/. Can't say it is exactly what I need but
>> seems it does the job.
>> Also sometimes I need action's intermediate page which is more then just
>> simple template. This is the case where would be nice to have CBV. Watch
>> this presentation to get some ideas about CBV actions
>> https://youtu.be/HJfPkbzcCJQ?t=1817.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ihor
>>
>> вт, 25 окт. 2022 г. в 11:22, Vasanth Mohan :
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to gauge the general opinion of more experienced devs before
>>> starting on a project.
>>>
>>> I personally love the sheer flexibility that the django admin provides
>>> me to get started on the DB and manage the backend. I can add actions,
>>> filters and charts with just a few third-party apps. On top of that,
>>> permissions to control user access to everything.
>>>
>>> However, I find myself having to build a separate set of templates and
>>> view for internal use often as the admin is tightly tied to the DB. I find
>>> myself not being able to expose the admin as it requires too much
>>> customisation to be useful to tech & non-tech teams at the same time.
>>> Moreover, DB structure is not as intuitive to non-tech users.
>>>
>>> So I'd like to build a generic admin view that is not tied to the DB but
>>> can still leverage the widgets (tables, inputs, messages etc.) that Django
>>> offers. A set of tools to design custom pages like django-etc and design
>>> easy-to-customise top/sidebars
>>>
>>> My question to the reader is quite simple, is this something feasible ?
>>> Are all widgets tightly coupled and expect models to function ? Anything
>>> you believe that might trip me up?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vaz
>>>
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Re: Creating internal/admin pages without Models

2022-10-25 Thread Vasanth Mohan 
Hi Igor,

Most of my cases are for internal tools and grouping together unrelated
tables as you just summarised. Some examples are,

- Writing text that can need to send out to clients by triggering a
predefined email templates
- Creating internal forms that should be saved to multiple tables or throw
an error
- Custom templates for showing unrelated & unrelated data

While these can be done normally with templates, the key difference is
these are internal pages and do not need to be super stylised. Performance
is far more important than the UI. A minimal stylisation would be good
enough is most cases.

Being able to leverage admin widgets would improve task turnaround time and
reduce frontend work to only client-facing logic.


Vasanth MOHAN


On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 14:10, Igor Margitich  wrote:

> Hi Vasanth,
>
> Can you ptovide an example when do you need generic admin view? I have
> case where I need gather some information from different not directly
> related tables. I have used
> https://pypi.org/project/django-nonrelated-inlines/. Can't say it is
> exactly what I need but seems it does the job.
> Also sometimes I need action's intermediate page which is more then just
> simple template. This is the case where would be nice to have CBV. Watch
> this presentation to get some ideas about CBV actions
> https://youtu.be/HJfPkbzcCJQ?t=1817.
>
> Best regards,
> Ihor
>
> вт, 25 окт. 2022 г. в 11:22, Vasanth Mohan :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'd like to gauge the general opinion of more experienced devs before
>> starting on a project.
>>
>> I personally love the sheer flexibility that the django admin provides me
>> to get started on the DB and manage the backend. I can add actions, filters
>> and charts with just a few third-party apps. On top of that, permissions to
>> control user access to everything.
>>
>> However, I find myself having to build a separate set of templates and
>> view for internal use often as the admin is tightly tied to the DB. I find
>> myself not being able to expose the admin as it requires too much
>> customisation to be useful to tech & non-tech teams at the same time.
>> Moreover, DB structure is not as intuitive to non-tech users.
>>
>> So I'd like to build a generic admin view that is not tied to the DB but
>> can still leverage the widgets (tables, inputs, messages etc.) that Django
>> offers. A set of tools to design custom pages like django-etc and design
>> easy-to-customise top/sidebars
>>
>> My question to the reader is quite simple, is this something feasible ?
>> Are all widgets tightly coupled and expect models to function ? Anything
>> you believe that might trip me up?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vaz
>>
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Re: Creating internal/admin pages without Models

2022-10-25 Thread Igor Margitich 
Hi Vasanth,

Can you ptovide an example when do you need generic admin view? I have case
where I need gather some information from different not directly related
tables. I have used https://pypi.org/project/django-nonrelated-inlines/.
Can't say it is exactly what I need but seems it does the job.
Also sometimes I need action's intermediate page which is more then just
simple template. This is the case where would be nice to have CBV. Watch
this presentation to get some ideas about CBV actions
https://youtu.be/HJfPkbzcCJQ?t=1817.

Best regards,
Ihor

вт, 25 окт. 2022 г. в 11:22, Vasanth Mohan :

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to gauge the general opinion of more experienced devs before
> starting on a project.
>
> I personally love the sheer flexibility that the django admin provides me
> to get started on the DB and manage the backend. I can add actions, filters
> and charts with just a few third-party apps. On top of that, permissions to
> control user access to everything.
>
> However, I find myself having to build a separate set of templates and
> view for internal use often as the admin is tightly tied to the DB. I find
> myself not being able to expose the admin as it requires too much
> customisation to be useful to tech & non-tech teams at the same time.
> Moreover, DB structure is not as intuitive to non-tech users.
>
> So I'd like to build a generic admin view that is not tied to the DB but
> can still leverage the widgets (tables, inputs, messages etc.) that Django
> offers. A set of tools to design custom pages like django-etc and design
> easy-to-customise top/sidebars
>
> My question to the reader is quite simple, is this something feasible ?
> Are all widgets tightly coupled and expect models to function ? Anything
> you believe that might trip me up?
>
> Thanks,
> Vaz
>
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