Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread David Hare 

On 17/10/15 19:50, aitor_czr wrote:

I wasn't aware!

Thanks,

Aitor.

On 17/10/15 19:18, Dragan FOSS  wrote:

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:

>>On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd

>>
>>http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/

>
>Interesting.  Debian actually tags package version numbers with a
>nosystemd modifier.  Let me wonder where the versions that require

These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone
here already knows about them...



Used here with XFCE4 since before jessie "stable". They work fine 
without *systemd*. The (Debian mainstream) gvfs-daemons require 
libsystemd0, maybe other bits of gvfs do. I don't know what anyone else 
does to replace consolekit (I use custom compiled consolekit2) to allow 
user mount for removables.


David

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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Dragan FOSS 

On 10/17/2015 05:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:

On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

Hi,

Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd


http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/


Interesting.  Debian actually tags package version numbers with a
nosystemd modifier.  Let me wonder where the versions that require


These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone 
here already knows about them...


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Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread karl 
Rainer Weikusat:
...
> But "avoid writing parsers where feasible" is IMHO a sound piece
> of advice. Eg, in case some sort of 'config file format' is needed, it's
> often possible to get by by writing a set of
> 
> variable=value
> 
> statements in Bourne shell syntax and replace the 'start the program'
> command with a shell script sourcing the config file and starting the
> real program with command-line arguments corresponding to the values
> from the config file: The shell already has a parser and since typical
...

Ack, but sometimes you get data from files which are not disk files,
and you could get it at runtime, and not at start time.

> [*] I once wrote a parser for SMTP headers which actually required an
> additional state-stack in order to be able to 'go back to where we were
> before encountering this'.

I have not a parser, but a string splitter in:

 http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.c
 http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.h

It splits a string in what I belive shell style. What you do with the 
tokens that is your business. It could use some love on the doc side 
and some real world testing.

Regards,
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Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green 

On 2015-10-16 22:44, Rob wrote:
> After upgrade tonight came out of Xorg to restart openbox.
>
> I tried to start Xorg but it failed with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open 
/dev/tty0 ( no such file or directory)

>
> /dev/tty0 was there so assumed permission problem. Temporarily added 
my user to tty group and tried again.

>
> This time Xorg failed to start with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open 
Virtual Console 7 ( permisson denied.)

>
> How to resolve?

Hi,

Many, including me, ran into this a couple of days ago, xserver-xorg in 
unstable (2:1.17.2-3)

now requires root privileges;
install xserver-xorg-legacy and add "needs_root_rights=yes" to 
/etc/X11/Xwrapper.config.


Cheers,

Mitt
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Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread Didier Kryn 

Le 16/10/2015 21:23, Neo Futur a écrit :

I pretty much stopped reading after the following line in the
>composition:
>==
>Fourthly, I will only be dealing with systemd the service manager (of
>which the init is an intracomponent subset, and also contains several
>other internal subsystems and characteristics which will prove of
>paramount importance to the analysis), and to a lesser extent journald.
>==

  Same here, if systemd was just an init system, i d probably still
avoid it and fight it, but the main problem is that its much more than
that, eating everything around it (


Eating everything around it: kind of a software black hole ;-)


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Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Rob 
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start
Time (UTC): October 17 2015 8:19 am
From: aitor_...@gnuinos.org
To: dng@lists.dyne.org

Hi Rob,

By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision is denied 
because xserver-xorg is not SUID root. If it is called from another SUID root 
program (a display manager like slim or lightdm) it will work. But first, you 
can try reinstalling xserver-xorg package to set the correct permissions, once 
created the user.

Cheers,

Aitor.






Thanks for the reply. Reinstalled xserver-xorg and xinit but no change. Checked 
file permissions for Xorg and xinit, SUID bit was not set. Used chmod to set 
SUID on both files and it is now working.
As an experiment I reinstalled xserver-xorg and xinit again and the SUID bit 
was removed.

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Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread aitor_czr 

Hi Rob,

By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision is 
denied because xserver-xorg is not SUID root. If it is called from 
another SUID root program (a display manager like slim or lightdm) it 
will work. But first, you can try reinstalling xserver-xorg package to 
set the correct permissions, once created the user.


Cheers,

Aitor.

On 17/10/15 00:44, Rob  wrote:

After upgrade tonight came out of Xorg to restart openbox.

I tried to start Xorg but it failed with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open /dev/tty0 
( no such file or directory)

/dev/tty0 was there so assumed permission problem. Temporarily added my user to 
tty group and tried again.

This time Xorg failed to start with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open Virtual 
Console 7 ( permisson denied.)

How to resolve?

Xorg.log below

Thanks

Rob

[ 5450.132]
X.Org X Server 1.17.2
Release Date: 2015-06-16
[ 5450.132] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[ 5450.132] Build Operating System: Linux 4.2.0-1-amd64 x86_64 Debian
[ 5450.132] Current Operating System: Linux debian 3.18.5preempt #1 SMP PREEMPT 
Tue Feb 3 21:18:50 GMT 2015 x86_64
[ 5450.132] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.18.5preempt 
root=/dev/sda1 ro
[ 5450.132] Build Date: 06 October 2015 07:27:47AM
[ 5450.132] xorg-server 2:1.17.2-3 (http://www.debian.org/support)
[ 5450.132] Current version of pixman: 0.33.2
[ 5450.132] Before reporting problems, checkhttp://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
[ 5450.132] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[ 5450.133] (==) Log file: "/home/rob/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri 
Oct 16 23:40:02 2015
[ 5450.133] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[ 5450.133] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.
[ 5450.133] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[ 5450.133] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[ 5450.133] (**) | |-->Monitor ""
[ 5450.133] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
Using a default monitor configuration.
[ 5450.133] (==) Automatically adding devices
[ 5450.133] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[ 5450.133] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[ 5450.133] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[ 5450.133] Entry deleted from font path.
[ 5450.133] (==) FontPath set to:
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
built-ins
[ 5450.133] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[ 5450.133] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[ 5450.133] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f18511c4de0
[ 5450.133] (II) Module ABI versions:
[ 5450.133] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[ 5450.133] X.Org Video Driver: 19.0
[ 5450.133] X.Org XInput driver : 21.0
[ 5450.133] X.Org Server Extension : 9.0
[ 5450.134] (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name 
org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files
[ 5450.134] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[ 5450.134] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: 
Permission denied
[ 5450.136] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:1381:19da:2346 rev 162, Mem @ 
0xfd00/16777216, 0xc000/268435456, 0xd000/33554432, I/O @ 
0xe000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288
[ 5450.136] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[ 5450.136] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so
[ 5450.147] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[ 5450.147] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[ 5450.147] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 5450.147] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 340.93 Wed Aug 19 16:23:51 PDT 2015
[ 5450.147] (==) Matched nouveau as autoconfigured driver 0
[ 5450.147] (==) Matched nv as autoconfigured driver 1
[ 5450.147] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 2
[ 5450.147] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 3
[ 5450.147] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 4
[ 5450.147] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[ 5450.147] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
[ 5450.147] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[ 5450.147] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 5450.147] compiled for 1.17.1, module version = 1.0.11
[ 5450.147] Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[ 5450.147] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 19.0
[ 5450.147] (II) LoadModule: "nv"
[ 5450.148] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nv
[ 5450.148] (II) UnloadModule: "nv"
[ 5450.148] (II) Unloading nv
[ 5450.148] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
[ 5450.148] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[ 5450.148] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[ 5450.148]

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Dragan FOSS 

On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

Hi,

Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd


http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/
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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green 

On 2015-10-17 18:05, Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 2015-10-17 17:11, Dragan FOSS wrote:
> > These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought 
everyone

> > here already knows about them...
>
> Hmm and they are going to include angband repos or include packages one
> by one?
> In first case this is going to create a mess, the second one is a bit
> boring and hard, assuming
> duplicates. Anyway, are there any gvfs alternatives, except for KIO?
>
> Mitt

gosh what the heck
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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green 

On 2015-10-17 17:11, Dragan FOSS wrote:
> These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone
> here already knows about them...

Hmm and they are going to include angband repos or include packages one 
by one?
In first case this is going to create a mess, the second one is a bit 
boring and hard, assuming

duplicates. Anyway, are there any gvfs alternatives, except for KIO?

Mitt
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Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Steve Litt 
On half the distros on the planet, if you want X to work you need to
suid /usr/bin/X*.

SteveT


On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:19:28 +0200
aitor_czr  wrote:

> Hi Rob,
> 
> By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision
> is denied because xserver-xorg is not SUID root. If it is called from 
> another SUID root program (a display manager like slim or lightdm) it 
> will work. But first, you can try reinstalling xserver-xorg package
> to set the correct permissions, once created the user.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Aitor.
> 
> On 17/10/15 00:44, Rob  wrote:
> > After upgrade tonight came out of Xorg to restart openbox.
> >
> > I tried to start Xorg but it failed with "xf86OpenConsole cannot
> > open /dev/tty0 ( no such file or directory)
> >
> > /dev/tty0 was there so assumed permission problem. Temporarily
> > added my user to tty group and tried again.
> >
> > This time Xorg failed to start with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open
> > Virtual Console 7 ( permisson denied.)
> >
> > How to resolve?
> >
> > Xorg.log below
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > [ 5450.132]
> > X.Org X Server 1.17.2
> > Release Date: 2015-06-16
> > [ 5450.132] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> > [ 5450.132] Build Operating System: Linux 4.2.0-1-amd64 x86_64
> > Debian [ 5450.132] Current Operating System: Linux debian
> > 3.18.5preempt #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Feb 3 21:18:50 GMT 2015 x86_64
> > [ 5450.132] Kernel command line:
> > BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.18.5preempt root=/dev/sda1 ro
> > [ 5450.132] Build Date: 06 October 2015 07:27:47AM [ 5450.132]
> > xorg-server 2:1.17.2-3 (http://www.debian.org/support) [ 5450.132]
> > Current version of pixman: 0.33.2 [ 5450.132] Before reporting
> > problems, checkhttp://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the
> > latest version. [ 5450.132] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config
> > file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice,
> > (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented,
> > (??) unknown. [ 5450.133] (==) Log file:
> > "/home/rob/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Oct 16 23:40:02
> > 2015 [ 5450.133] (==) Using system config directory
> > "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 5450.133] (==) No Layout section.
> > Using the first Screen section. [ 5450.133] (==) No screen section
> > available. Using defaults. [ 5450.133] (**) |-->Screen "Default
> > Screen Section" (0) [ 5450.133] (**) | |-->Monitor " > monitor>" [ 5450.133] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default
> > monitor>Screen Section". Using a default monitor configuration.
> > monitor>[ 5450.133] (==) Automatically adding devices
> > [ 5450.133] (==) Automatically enabling devices
> > [ 5450.133] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
> > [ 5450.133] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does
> > not exist. [ 5450.133] Entry deleted from font path.
> > [ 5450.133] (==) FontPath set to:
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
> > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
> > built-ins
> > [ 5450.133] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> > [ 5450.133] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of
> > input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or
> > disable AutoAddDevices. [ 5450.133] (II) Loader magic:
> > 0x7f18511c4de0 [ 5450.133] (II) Module ABI versions:
> > [ 5450.133] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
> > [ 5450.133] X.Org Video Driver: 19.0
> > [ 5450.133] X.Org XInput driver : 21.0
> > [ 5450.133] X.Org Server Extension : 9.0
> > [ 5450.134] (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name
> > org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files
> > [ 5450.134] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
> > [ 5450.134] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface
> > version 1.4: Permission denied [ 5450.136] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0)
> > 10de:1381:19da:2346 rev 162, Mem @ 0xfd00/16777216,
> > 0xc000/268435456, 0xd000/33554432, I/O @ 0xe000/128,
> > BIOS @ 0x/524288 [ 5450.136] (II) LoadModule:
> > "glx" [ 5450.136] (II)
> > Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so [ 5450.147] (II)
> > Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 5450.147] compiled for
> > 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 5450.147] Module class: X.Org
> > Server Extension [ 5450.147] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 340.93 Wed Aug
> > 19 16:23:51 PDT 2015 [ 5450.147] (==) Matched nouveau as
> > autoconfigured driver 0 [ 5450.147] (==) Matched nv as
> > autoconfigured driver 1 [ 5450.147] (==) Matched modesetting as
> > autoconfigured driver 2 [ 5450.147] (==) Matched fbdev as
> > autoconfigured driver 3 [ 5450.147] (==) Matched vesa as
> > autoconfigured driver 4 [ 5450.147] (==) Assigned the driver to the
> > xf86ConfigLayout [ 5450.147] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau" [ 5450.147]
> > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
> > [ 5450.147]

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread aitor_czr 

I wasn't aware!

Thanks,

Aitor.

On 17/10/15 19:18, Dragan FOSS  wrote:

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:

>>On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd

>>
>>http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/

>
>Interesting.  Debian actually tags package version numbers with a
>nosystemd modifier.  Let me wonder where the versions that require

These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone
here already knows about them...


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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Hendrik Boom 
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd
> 
> http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/

Interesting.  Debian actually tags package version numbers with a 
nosystemd modifier.  Let me wonder where the versions that require 
systemd are.  Perhaps, just perhaps, there aren't any?  Not likely, 
given Mitt Green's lament.  What's really going on here?

-- hendrik
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