Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh 

Adam Borowski wrote on 29/01/16 02:46:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:

Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
libsystemd0?

...

I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time
right now to test on diverse setups.  All I tested is my home desktop, with
nvidia proprietary.  Thus, it'd be interesting to hear if there are any new
failures for other people.



It's running fine with Radeon 9550 on my old machine (i386 even though 
the CPU is a single core Athlon64) and Radeon HD 5450 on (x86-64, 4-core 
Athlon64)


Thanks as always for doing this!

Arthur.

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Adam Borowski 
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
> libsystemd0?

libsystemd0 is benign.  The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it
actually breaks things if systemd is absent.

On the other hand, rebuilding with --disable-systemd-logind
--without-systemd-daemon seems to work.

> I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this marks
> another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian.

I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time
right now to test on diverse setups.  All I tested is my home desktop, with
nvidia proprietary.  Thus, it'd be interesting to hear if there are any new
failures for other people.

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat 
Adam Borowski  writes:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
>> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
>> libsystemd0?
>
> libsystemd0 is benign.

libsystemd0 is a library implementation of (some parts of) the systemd
API supposed to enable applications using/ depending on this API to run
on systems where the 'main' API implementation is not available, IOW,
it's a fallback implementation of systemd whose presence is not as easy
to spot. This means the set of components which have been
libsystemd'ified are a systemd-system in everything but the name as the
prefferred API definition is whatever the people who control systemd
consider suitable for the ends they're trying to achieve and the API
implementation is provided by the systemd project.

This may fit some definition of benign, eg, insofar it enables
application specifically written for systemd systems to be used without
using the main systemd implementation, or it may not, as there's little
reason to keep maintaining the secondary implementation once the primary
one is considered "sufficiently prevalent" that compatibilty with
systems not using it is no longer considered desirable.

But that's a matter of opinion and systemd itself also fits some
definitions of benign.
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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread richard lucassen 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100
Tobias Hunger  wrote:

> Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the
> user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to
> doing nothing if systemd is not in use. It was written to allow
> software to run on either systemd or non-systemd systems. That is why
> debian is enabling it.
> 
> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd
> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.

Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :)

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Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

2016-01-28 Thread Brad Campbell 

On 28/01/16 11:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:05:08 +0800, Brad wrote in message
<56a97754.7050...@fnarfbargle.com>:


I'm running an early 2015 Macbook Pro. I have OSX, Windows 7 & Linux
installed. I live in Linux, but on the rare occassions I need to boot
into OSX or Win 7 I simply s2disk. That way when I re-boot into linux
it just wakes up where it was rather than losing any context.

Aside from the non-functioning camera, the only other hardware issue
I routinely see is the USB SD reader mostly disappears off the bus
after a system sleep.


..doesn't your early 2015 Macbook have enough opmh to run all
these OS'es off e.g. https://www.qubes-os.org/  (aside from
their systemd issue)?


Yeah it does, but occasionally when doing things like firmware updates 
to peripherals it's just a shitload easier to run the native OS on the 
bare metal rather than fart around with USB re-direction and hardware 
passthrough. For those reasons, I keep a windows and OSX install on the 
bare metal.


Sure, I *can* do it in Linux via a VM, but I'm old enough now to not 
want to do time consuming shit like that just because I can. Time is 
money. Suspend linux, boot windows, update device, resume Linux.. job done.


I've snipped the remainder of your reply because personally I could not 
make head nor tail of what you were on about and it looked like a 
steaming pile of misdirected political 

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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:07:00 +0100, Florian wrote in message 
<20160128160700.57262036.f.zieb...@web.de>:

> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500
> Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > > 
> > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer
> > > suggests to choose "security updates" from security.debian.org.
> > > According to a mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is
> > > deprecated.
> > 
> > Looks like I missed this.  Where should I go for devuan security
> > updates?
> 
> Sorry for the confusion, I obviously don't remember correctly that in
> the past weeks somebody had stated this. When searching for that
> specific mail, which I had given up in a first attempt due to a bug I
> just reported, I only found the exact opposite statement: 
> 
> | On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:33:40 +1300
> | Daniel Reurich  wrote:
> | 
> | > We are NOT merging backports or updates or security updates.
> | 
> 
> Perhaps the "NOT" was shouted too loudly for me to hear it ;) So I
> finally added security.debian.org to the sources.list and must confess
> that it was a good idea, as the update pulled quite a lot, including
> rather exposed stuff like bind9-host, claws-mail, curl, iceweasel,
> linux-image-amd64 and openjdk-7-jre...

..and we are sure we didn't fall for another 
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ?


..another 2 questions, I have a Debian mirror on my lan (slow
unreliable net), amd64, i386, hurd-i386 and source, and plan 
a Devuan mirror, roughly how many .debs do we leave unchanged 
from Debian in Devuan?  
How do we do compared to https://www.debian.org/mirror/size ?

..I never got any response to my first question here: 
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151217.015613.57a0b639.en.html

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Didier Kryn 

Le 28/01/2016 18:11, richard lucassen a écrit :

The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd
>that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.


You might as well write paranoid instead of allergic. Because many 
on this list expect that libsystemd0 is a temporary facility given for 
people the time they migrate to systemd and to seem harmless to upstream 
developpers. Some day they'll decide to withdraw libsystemd0 and 
paranoia/allergia will turn to have been realism. The trap is so visible!


Call me paranoid :-)

Didier

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat 
richard lucassen  writes:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100
> Tobias Hunger  wrote:
>
>> Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the
>> user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to
>> doing nothing if systemd is not in use. It was written to allow
>> software to run on either systemd or non-systemd systems. That is why
>> debian is enabling it.
>> 
>> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd
>> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.
>
> Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :)

Considering that I wrote that in reply to you and also in reply to the
other person who asserted "Don't worry. We just have you best interest
in mind!" why was there any uncertainty of the technical purpose of
libsystemd?

That "systemd developers/ supporters" like asserting that everyone who
doesn't agree with their opinion on anything is mentally deranged in
this or that way is also not exactly new. They've been doing this for a
while and it's pretty much how most less-than-brilliant people regard
anybody who disagrees with any of their opinions.
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Re: [DNG] systemd-free.org

2016-01-28 Thread Steve Litt 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:24:17 +0300
"Jack L. Frost"  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 01:33:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Arch is a virulently pro-systemd, anti-choice distro...  
> 
> Counter-argument: https://fleshless.org/pages/spark.html

Nice! I like the documentation on that page telling you what to expect
and how to achieve it.

> 
> I have tried to do the same with debian and void, both were much more
> rigid than Arch and fought me the whole way.

Can't speak for Debian, but yeah, I've done a Void chroot install, and
it's difficult. Of course I've never found Arch's chroot install easy
either (or for that matter Gentoo and Funtoo), but Void's much easier
with void-installer.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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[DNG] (no subject)

2016-01-28 Thread Ozi Traveller 
Hi

Is anyone else experiencing problems

I'm using live-build to create the images.

Using Guided - use entire disk.

"The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 is scs13 (0,0,0),
 parition #1 (sda) at / failed."

This started last week.

Cheers
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Re: [DNG] systemd-free.org

2016-01-28 Thread Jack L. Frost 
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 01:33:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Arch is a virulently pro-systemd, anti-choice distro...

Counter-argument: https://fleshless.org/pages/spark.html

I have tried to do the same with debian and void, both were much more rigid
than Arch and fought me the whole way.


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Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat 
Arnt Karlsen  writes:
>  Rainer wrote in message 
> <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>:
>> Steve Litt  writes:
>> > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100
>> >
>> >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
>> >> > 
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler  
>> >> 
>> >> ..small fish,

[...]

> just by being "anti-systemd", we _are_ "politically
> incorrect."  The bigger fish runs 3 letter type parties and ditto
> agencies.  Even if Steve is all right on Karen, she's still a small 
> fish in this game, if my Groklaw etc experience is worth anything.

"Cryptic reply to a cryptic statement": The system really fails everyone
and I don't care if there are more male or more female CEOs.
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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread richard lucassen 
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:34:02 +1300
Daniel Reurich  wrote:

> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and
> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in
> > Debian.
> 
> Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week once work has
> settled down a bit...

I'm not a programmer, maybe I'm saying something incredibly stupid, so
please don't shoot me, but wouldn't it be a better idea to build a
Devuan libsystemd0 that fakes the real libsystemd0 instead of adapting
all programs to not using libsystemd0?

R.

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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom 
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> 
> * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests to
>   choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. According to a
>   mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is deprecated.

Looks like I missed this.  Where should I go for devuan security updates?

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat 
richard lucassen  writes:
> Daniel Reurich  wrote:
>
>> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and
>> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in
>> > Debian.
>> 
>> Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week once work has
>> settled down a bit...
>
> I'm not a programmer, maybe I'm saying something incredibly stupid, so
> please don't shoot me, but wouldn't it be a better idea to build a
> Devuan libsystemd0 that fakes the real libsystemd0 instead of adapting
> all programs to not using libsystemd0?

This depends on how the library is being used. If it's just a spurious
dependency, a simple dummy will work in place of it. But this usually
won't be the case as the express purpose of libsystemd is to enable code
to be written/ changed to use systemd APIs instead of the facilities
systemd uses to implement these by providing a second implementation of
the systemd API in a library.

For the given case, this means that the Debian package will enable X
server systemd support unconditionally when building for a Linux-based
system and the corresponding facilities are either supposed to be
provided by system-alpha, the set of programs controlling the system, or
by systemd-quisling, the secondary (and presumably somewhat sub-par)
implementation in the library.

Until Debian formally ejects it's non-Linux sub-projects, any such
attempts are restricted to being more-or-less elaborate nuisances
created by people with too much time on their hands.
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Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom 
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:16:22AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message 
> <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>:
> 
> > Steve Litt  writes:
> > > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100
> > >
> > >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
> > >> > 
> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler  
> > >> 
> > >> ..small fish, nice tits. ;o)
> > >
> > > The preceding half sentence is one example of something that should
> > > NEVER appear in any Devuan venue. Ever.
> > >
> > > A post like that is likely to anger half the world's population,
> > 
> > I was on and off thinking whether or not I should write someone about
> > this because it annoyed me but couldn't quite think of what. Since
> > someone else now did: Speaking on behalf of half of the population of
> > the world is a little hyped up (got that from a dictionary and have no
> > idea about its connotations), however, a comment like the original one
> > above is entirely appropriate when describing a would-be price cow on
> > an agricultural fair and quite out of place in any other context:
> > It's a piece of information about the person who wrote it nobody
> > asked for (or should be interested in or should be forced to take
> > note of).
> 
> ..either way, just by being "anti-systemd", we _are_ "politically
> incorrect."  The bigger fish runs 3 letter type parties and ditto
> agencies.  Even if Steve is all right on Karen, she's still a small 
> fish in this game, if my Groklaw etc experience is worth anything.

I hadn't realised that systemd issue had become a matter of offending a 
significant fraction of the general population.  I really thought it ws 
still a technical issue and something that some powerful forces were 
pushing.  Political dissent has never to my knowledge been an issue of 
political correctness.  Insulting people that are in a denigrated 
community, however, is.

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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh 

Daniel Reurich wrote on 28/01/16 22:04:

On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote:

Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
libsystemd0?

I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this
marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian.

Arthur.


Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week once work has
settled down a bit...


Thanks!


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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:15:19 +0100, Arnt wrote in message 
<20160128051519.1fe47...@nb6.lan>:

> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message 
> <20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>:
> 
> > 
> > I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from 
> > devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso.
> 
> ..url?  I only find i386 in http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/ 


..I'm struggling to believe htf I managed to miss
http://files.devuan.org/ yakking around here. ;oD


> ..has anyone here tried innstall off a mini.iso in e.g.
> http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/201507023%2Bdevuan/images/netboot/
>  ???
> 
> 


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Re: [DNG] Are my messages delivered?

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:12:16 -, dev1fanboy wrote in message 
<173ed2203f1f8c5daa98e057835b290c.startm...@www.startmail.com>:

> I had an issue the other day with my posts not showing up (at all)
> once I'd sent them

..moderation?  May be adviceable.  My biggest problem here 
is mail list bounces unsubscribing me. 

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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message 
<20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>:

> 
> I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from 
> devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso.

..url?  I only find i386 in http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/ 


..has anyone here tried innstall off a mini.iso in e.g.
http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/201507023%2Bdevuan/images/netboot/
 ???


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Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:14:42 +0200, Lars wrote in message 
<56a91722.2020...@gmail.com>:

> On 01/27/2016 08:53 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> [snip]
> > True story, I had a bad battery such that the instant I pulled
> > out the power supply, the computer turned off. They wouldn't send
> > me a new battery until I did a series of Windows tests.
> 
> Which vendor?  It would be good to know so as to steer clear of them.

..also, does the warranty policies allow you to pull out the 
Wintendo drive so you can fit a known good drive with a known 
good os?  (I bought my last brand new computer in 1997. ;o) )

..that way you can simply buy new gear with the cheapest 
possible disk and pour your money on good cpu, ram etc.

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[DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh 
Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without 
libsystemd0?


I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this 
marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian.


Arthur.

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Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:05:08 +0800, Brad wrote in message 
<56a97754.7050...@fnarfbargle.com>:

> I'm running an early 2015 Macbook Pro. I have OSX, Windows 7 & Linux 
> installed. I live in Linux, but on the rare occassions I need to boot 
> into OSX or Win 7 I simply s2disk. That way when I re-boot into linux
> it just wakes up where it was rather than losing any context.
> 
> Aside from the non-functioning camera, the only other hardware issue
> I routinely see is the USB SD reader mostly disappears off the bus
> after a system sleep.

..doesn't your early 2015 Macbook have enough opmh to run all 
these OS'es off e.g. https://www.qubes-os.org/  (aside from 
their systemd issue)?


..coming from SuSE-5.2 in 1998, I can live with .rpms, but the 
systemd issue really boils down to either "they are wrong and 
made a death trap for people like me and Edward Snowdon", or, 
"we are wrong and should get ready to apologise."


..as a quiet ;o) pacifist in the early 1980ies serving in the 
RNoAF and our Navy, I had _NO_ idea Boris Yeltsin would climb 
on top of a Soviet tank in 1991 to cancel WWIII. :o)

..I didn't want any wannabe nazi genocider idiots wasting precious 
ammo trying to kill Russian etc democrats on my behalf, wounding 
them is 5 times more effective in war according to the US Army 
and keeps them alive, tying up personell in hospitals etc. 

..on trying to build a language translator in 1994 out of the texts 
of the 130 language pairs in the 4 Geneva Conventions, I learned a 
new lesson on my own damned naîvity, I had indeed been trained as 
a genocider, I heard of the 4 Geneva Conventions exactly 3 times 
between 1981 and 1984, "common sense" in boot school, the last time, 
I overheard an AA commander mention "Geneva" explaining the ban on 
below-40mm grenades on personell to his gun crew as I passed by to 
pick up an AA target "drone" I had just landed.


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Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message 
<87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>:

> Steve Litt  writes:
> > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100
> >
> >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
> >> > 
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler  
> >> 
> >> ..small fish, nice tits. ;o)
> >
> > The preceding half sentence is one example of something that should
> > NEVER appear in any Devuan venue. Ever.
> >
> > A post like that is likely to anger half the world's population,
> 
> I was on and off thinking whether or not I should write someone about
> this because it annoyed me but couldn't quite think of what. Since
> someone else now did: Speaking on behalf of half of the population of
> the world is a little hyped up (got that from a dictionary and have no
> idea about its connotations), however, a comment like the original one
> above is entirely appropriate when describing a would-be price cow on
> an agricultural fair and quite out of place in any other context:
> It's a piece of information about the person who wrote it nobody
> asked for (or should be interested in or should be forced to take
> note of).

..either way, just by being "anti-systemd", we _are_ "politically
incorrect."  The bigger fish runs 3 letter type parties and ditto
agencies.  Even if Steve is all right on Karen, she's still a small 
fish in this game, if my Groklaw etc experience is worth anything.


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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Daniel Reurich 
On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
> libsystemd0?
> 
> I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this
> marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian.
> 
> Arthur.

Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week once work has
settled down a bit...



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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:20:29 +0100
Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another 
> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ?

Are we?!

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Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll 
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500
Hendrik Boom  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > 
> > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests
> > to choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. According to
> > a mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is deprecated.
> 
> Looks like I missed this.  Where should I go for devuan security
> updates?

Sorry for the confusion, I obviously don't remember correctly that in
the past weeks somebody had stated this. When searching for that
specific mail, which I had given up in a first attempt due to a bug I
just reported, I only found the exact opposite statement: 

| On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:33:40 +1300
| Daniel Reurich  wrote:
| 
| > We are NOT merging backports or updates or security updates.
| 

Perhaps the "NOT" was shouted too loudly for me to hear it ;) So I
finally added security.debian.org to the sources.list and must confess
that it was a good idea, as the update pulled quite a lot, including
rather exposed stuff like bind9-host, claws-mail, curl, iceweasel,
linux-image-amd64 and openjdk-7-jre...

Florian

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