Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On 25/02/2016 23:00, Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC) > > Go Linux wrote: > > ... > I once tried lxde and was not impressed. Maybe it's improved since then. > ... > golinux Moved from xfce to icewm + SpaceFM + gmrun + some decent artwork and I love it. It just works. Just my 2cents Fred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Trying (again) to compile simple-netaid (was netman)
Hi Hellekin, On 02/25/2016 06:16 PM, hellekin wrote: On 02/09/2016 11:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >[snip] > >Is there a place where I can find this list of dependencies, so that I >can put together the INSTALL file for simple-netaid, and then Edward >or aitor or one of you guys can add it to the repo? > Did Aitor and Edward got that? Is this dependency on Lazarus still needed? == hk Perhaps the IDE is not required, i will try it today. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:17:13 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > lxde is soon to become lxqt so lxde will soon be a thing of the > past. Don't you know that if it works, it needs fixing? If LXQt reveals itself to be garbage, another alternative would be a Devuan Special window manager with Openbox featuring Go Linux' artwork on the background, a suitable general purpose panel, and Edward's WLAN manager, and a generic panel-hosted audio applet. Naturally, it would be pre-configured with Dmenu after a group of experts figures out the best default hotkeys. SteveT Steve Litt February 2016 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On Thu, 2/25/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 3:44 PM On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux: > > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems > > that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish > > fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want > > to contemplate less gnome-driven options for future releases. Since gtk2 > > is no longer being developed, I wonder what that means for Mate's future . > > . . > > > > https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 > > Have I mentioned TDE? lxde has the advantage of having a package named lxde.. I cannot find a tde. Does it have another nae, or does it still need to be packaged? -- hendrik Trinity Desktop Environment is based on an older version of KDE. (Think Gnome and Mate.) I always found KDE too fussy for my taste. But who knows how desperate I'll get if xfce goes south . . . lxde is soon to become lxqt so lxde will soon be a thing of the past. Don't you know that if it works, it needs fixing? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
This is sad, especially in the context that at one point the GNOME/GTK developers didn't know or care about apps outside of their project: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ Scroll down a ways you'll find the following gem from a GNOME dev (read the whole thing, it's enlightening): "mccann replies: I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app unfortunately. I’m sorry that this is the case but it wasn’t GNOME’s fault that Ubuntu has started this fork. And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry. It is my hope that you are a GNOME app…" Granted, this is from over three years ago and things may have improved markedly since then (ahem). It is telling that a developer of software ostensibly for the Linux desktop is unaware of any project outside the project he is involved in. This unfortunate state of affairs exists when development is not coming from the community but from hired guns whose interest is apparently not aligned with the community. It is also unfortunate that there was apparently no interest in how changes affected other projects. As for alternatives, there are not many. Qt can be used independently of KDE just as GTK+ can ostensibly be used independently although my sense is that the Qt developers may be more sensitive to projects outside of KDE. There is FLTK which lacks support for theming in the fashion of Qt and GTK+ and is a C++ library like Qt. Google has its own toolkit for Chrome browser called Aura, but I'm not sure if it's available for independent projects. Oh well, Ncurses is rather stable. ;-) - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
Hendrik Boom wrote: >I cannot find a tde. Does it have another nae, or does it still need >to be packaged? They have repos, check this out: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux: > > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems > > that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish > > fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want > > to contemplate less gnome-driven options for future releases. Since gtk2 > > is no longer being developed, I wonder what that means for Mate's future . > > . . > > > > https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 > > Have I mentioned TDE? lxde has the advantage of having a package named lxde.. I cannot find a tde. Does it have another nae, or does it still need to be packaged? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
Steve Litt wrote: >Xfce's always been a little shaky, and more and more it seems to be >part of the new regime. Count the adoption of PulseAudio also, as a new default backend for the mixer. >I use LXDE, which works identically every single time, has a very >small footprint, and is completely workable to anyone who could >work win9x. LXDE is great, because it doesn't need dbus, and would be better if ye replace PCManFM with SpaceFM (no GVFS =) ). I use a D-Bus-free build. Though standalone Openbox is enough for me (well, with tint2). I don't really understand the tendency of switching to GTK+3. E.g., I enjoyed Parole in 4.10, it used GTK+2 back then. In Unstable it's easy to follow the tendency. Obconf switched to GTK+3, Iceweasel Aurora uses it as well. Synaptic is another good example. Looks like the amount of people, cringing at all these new shiny things is growing. We will end up forking GTK+2 and Xfce. GTK+3 is not a "successor" (ToZ), more like a "failessor". Strive to the left column - http://killx.linuxbbq.org/ =P Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On Thu, 2/25/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future To: dng@lists.dyne.org Cc: "Go Linux" Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 2:27 PM On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It > seems that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in > very gnomish fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So > Devuan might want to contemplate less gnome-driven options for future > releases. Since gtk2 is no longer being developed, I wonder what > that means for Mate's future . . . > > https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 > > golinux Xfce's always been a little shaky, and more and more it seems to be part of the new regime. I use LXDE, which works identically every single time, has a very small footprint, and is completely workable to anyone who could work win9x. I don't know how LXDE compares to Mate, but I do know LXDE is wonderful, svelte and easy, and should be considered any time a replacement for Xfce is discussed. SteveT I once tried lxde and was not impressed. Maybe it's improved since then. But now that it's moving to qt (kde crapola), who knows what will happen with it. FWIW, I have not yet met a qt app that I liked the look, feel or functionality. In any case, we should be thinking about alternates. Perhaps lxde will remain a viable candidate . . . :) golinux golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux: > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems > that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish > fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want to > contemplate less gnome-driven options for future releases. Since gtk2 is no > longer being developed, I wonder what that means for Mate's future . . . > > https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 Have I mentioned TDE? -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It > seems that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in > very gnomish fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So > Devuan might want to contemplate less gnome-driven options for future > releases. Since gtk2 is no longer being developed, I wonder what > that means for Mate's future . . . > > https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 > > golinux Xfce's always been a little shaky, and more and more it seems to be part of the new regime. I use LXDE, which works identically every single time, has a very small footprint, and is completely workable to anyone who could work win9x. I don't know how LXDE compares to Mate, but I do know LXDE is wonderful, svelte and easy, and should be considered any time a replacement for Xfce is discussed. SteveT Steve Litt February 2016 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want to contemplate less gnome-driven options for future releases. Since gtk2 is no longer being developed, I wonder what that means for Mate's future . . . https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=10407 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Trying (again) to compile simple-netaid (was netman)
On 02/09/2016 11:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > [snip] > > Is there a place where I can find this list of dependencies, so that I > can put together the INSTALL file for simple-netaid, and then Edward > or aitor or one of you guys can add it to the repo? > Did Aitor and Edward got that? Is this dependency on Lazarus still needed? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal
"Ivan J." writes: > Is there interest in Devuan supporting multiple versions of leveldb? > Why I am wondering is because of Bitcoin and its code. Currently Bitcoin > statically links db-4.8 and it is used for having wallet support in > Bitcoin Core. libdb is usually the BerkerleyDB library. [...] > a bugfix to leveldb could cause serious security problems with > Bitcoin. (This is why it's statically linked for almost every distro). A certain type of developers (usually with a Windows-background, recently successfully invaded Uubuntu and the long-term plans of "the systemd cabal" go towards this as well) always ends up pissing in their pants and then fainting at the mere prospect of "users" being able to affect "code changes" of any nature. Considering that shared objects and dynamic linking were originally a MULTICS feature (dating back to about 1965) and introduced to UNIX(*) with SunOS 4.0 in 1988, the best course of action to deal with people who are so afraid of changes that they keep rejecting "useful new features" for 51/ 28 years in a row is "roundly ignore them". Especially if they claim to be 'modernizers' because the ancient technology they're so wedded to is so seriously ancient that large groups of people meanwhile forgot about that ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] leveldb support proposal
Hello DnG. Is there interest in Devuan supporting multiple versions of leveldb? Why I am wondering is because of Bitcoin and its code. Currently Bitcoin statically links db-4.8 and it is used for having wallet support in Bitcoin Core. Currently, this is the way it's done for binary distros. Where the problem arises is when you try to build Bitcoin Core yourself. You need to compile with db-4.8 libraries, and we all know distros have dropped it in favor of 5.x... Using system leveldb on distros requires higher QA for leveldb than typical. What I am proposing is Devuan to support multiple versions of leveldb and tie Bitcoin packages to the right one. Another option is to never push updates to leveldb until they are known consensus-safe. It would be awesome if Devuan could be the second distro to meet the higher standards required for the Bitcoin code; for example, a bugfix to leveldb could cause serious security problems with Bitcoin. (This is why it's statically linked for almost every distro). I currently have no way to do the research on other packages and their leveldb dependencies, what works and what not. So I would like some input and feedback from you. ~ parazyd signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Set up a local copy of Daniel Reurich's branch of my project
On 02/12/2016 04:11 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to set up a local copy of Daniel Reurich's branch of my > project so that I can help in fixing bugs. > For the record, as I'm sure you already figured this out, you can use `git remote` in your existing repository. If you run: `git remote -v` you will see "origin" with URIs for fetch and push. All you need to do to add Dan's branch is to add a remote pointing to his repository, e.g.: `git remote add net https://git.devuan.org/net/simple-netaid.git` Then you can get the code and branches from this repo: `git fetch net` Finally you can switch to the wanted branch: `git co -b local-name net/remote-name` Git will then follow the net/remote-name branch into your local-name branch (so you can simply `git pull` and `git push` from and to this remote branch). > > At the end I also need to make sure I can 'git push' my changes to > Daniel's branch. I have been granted developer access to it. > For this to work, you need to use the `SSH` URI for the remote repository and have developer access to it. Usually I add a remote with `HTTPS`, and then update the push URI to use git+ssh: `git remote set-url --push net g...@git.devuan.org:net/simple-netaid.git` == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing different version of Linux
I'm very excited about having a linux-libre package for devuan. Thank you Aitor == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts
On 25/02/2016 15:06, Irrwahn wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:34:01 +0100, Richard Lucassen wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:03:41 +0100 >> Irrwahn wrote: > [...] >> It simply says "install busybox". Or have I missed a crucial issue >> somewhere? > > Sorry, but apparently you did: > > 0. The busybox recommendation is nothing new, and is not the > cause of the issue. > > 1. initramfs-tools is now split into initramfs-tools 0.123 and > initramfs-tools-core 0.123 packages. > > 2. it requires initscripts >= 2.88dsf-59.3~, but the devuanized > package is not available in ascii/testing (yet). > As matter of fact I got the tiny utility busybox installed by default but a forced upgrade still wants to remove the kernel. hmm.. Yes I would say, the devuan initscript needs to be re-packaged. BTW, For this box I use a Kernel with a initrd.img and the traditional sysvinit-system enhanced with runit. Regards Fred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:34:01 +0100, Richard Lucassen wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:03:41 +0100 > Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> And, as Fred reported, it indeed declares a "Breaks: initscripts >> (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. >> >> So, for Devuan testing/ascii we would need an update here, sooner or >> later. > > It simply says "install busybox". Or have I missed a crucial issue > somewhere? Sorry, but apparently you did: 0. The busybox recommendation is nothing new, and is not the cause of the issue. 1. initramfs-tools is now split into initramfs-tools 0.123 and initramfs-tools-core 0.123 packages. 2. it requires initscripts >= 2.88dsf-59.3~, but the devuanized package is not available in ascii/testing (yet). Regards Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:03:41 +0100 Irrwahn wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:55:34 +0100, Richard Lucassen wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:09:05 +0200 > > Fred DC wrote: > [...] > >> Upgrading initramfs-tools version 0.120 to 0.123 > >> breaks initscripts <2.88dsf-59.3-1 > >> presently installed is 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > >> > >> Right now I have put the package on hold because if force the > >> install the kernel gets removed. > > > > FYI: This is what debian testing reports: > > > > initramfs-tools (0.121~rc1) unstable; urgency=medium > [...] > > Richard: FYI, your packet lists are out of date. $ dpkg -l | grep initram ii initramfs-tools 0.123 all generic modular initramfs generator (automation) ii initramfs-tools-core 0.123 all generic modular initramfs generator (core tools) Probably a message concerning an older version. > And, as Fred reported, it indeed declares a "Breaks: initscripts > (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. > > So, for Devuan testing/ascii we would need an update here, sooner or > later. It simply says "install busybox". Or have I missed a crucial issue somewhere? R. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts
On 25/02/2016 11:03, Irrwahn wrote: > > it indeed declares a "Breaks: initscripts > (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. > > So, for Devuan testing/ascii we would need an update here, sooner or later. You spelled it out what I, silly me, omitted. Thank you. Regards Fred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Ascii: Upgrading initramfs-tool breaks current devuan package initscripts
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:55:34 +0100, Richard Lucassen wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:09:05 +0200 > Fred DC wrote: [...] >> Upgrading initramfs-tools version 0.120 to 0.123 >> breaks initscripts <2.88dsf-59.3-1 >> presently installed is 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 >> >> Right now I have put the package on hold because if force the >> install the kernel gets removed. > > FYI: This is what debian testing reports: > > initramfs-tools (0.121~rc1) unstable; urgency=medium [...] Richard: FYI, your packet lists are out of date. This is the version currently reported by Debian testing/stretch (skipping three more intermediate revisions): initramfs-tools (0.123) unstable; urgency=medium [trimmed ~70 lines changelog] -- Ben Hutchings Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:13:23 + And, as Fred reported, it indeed declares a "Breaks: initscripts (< 2.88dsf-59.3~)", which is built from the sysvinit source package. So, for Devuan testing/ascii we would need an update here, sooner or later. Regards Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
