Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[spiralofhope]

It still hasn't been determined if this is confirmed to be a Devuan
issue or not, so Firefox needs to be ruled out.

No it's not supposed to be a solution, it's just information-gathering.

Welcome to software testing; yes, we turn things off then on again.



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 18:37:22 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> This is what I would call a "Microsoft Windows 95 approach"
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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[spiralofhope]

I'd agree, but then the profile has to be deleted after and I didn't
want to bother checking to see if manager does that correctly.



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 20:42:06 +0200
Florian Zieboll  wrote:

> It's even more easy: Just start firefox with the "--ProfileManager"
> option and create a new user profile.



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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[Florian Zieboll]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:00:50 -0700
spiralofhope  wrote:

> The most brute-force test is to create a whole new user profile:
> 
>   # (exit firefox)
>   mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup
>   # (launch, re-test)
>   # (exit firefox)
>   rm -rf ~/.mozilla
>   mv ~/.mozilla-backup ~/.mozilla


It's even more easy: Just start firefox with the "--ProfileManager"
option and create a new user profile.

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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[Bruce Perens]

Isn't it more likely that part of Firefox needs to be paged in, and the
local disk is slow? I see this on a few systems, once in a while.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:37 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:00:50AM -0700, spiralofhope wrote:
> > The most brute-force test is to create a whole new user profile:
> >
> >   # (exit firefox)
> >   mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup
> >   # (launch, re-test)
> >   # (exit firefox)
> >   rm -rf ~/.mozilla
> >   mv ~/.mozilla-backup ~/.mozilla
> >
>
> This is what I would call a "Microsoft Windows 95 approach": if it
> does not work, uninstall it, reboot, reinstall it, light a candle
> beside your screen, fiddle with the system registry, reboot again,
> jump on one foot, pull the plug, cross your fingers, boot again,
> rinse, repeat...
>
> Is this really a solution? Then the most principled approach is
> probably to stop using Firefox altogether. Seriously, we are not
> forced to swallow any crap they want to shovel down our throat. In the
> quest to beat IE and then to chase up Chrome, Firefox has become a
> *hog*, which is able to do a thousand and more different things (in
> most cases quite badly), and also happens to render HTML pages every
> now and then.
>
> I have been quite happy with surf lately. I only need firefox for the
> rare case in which I need to access a few javascript-intensive
> (crappy) websites for work reasons. And I am actively looking for an
> alternative there.
>
> Computing does not need to be like that. Things can still be done
> properly.
>
> :\
>
> KatolaZ
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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:00:50AM -0700, spiralofhope wrote:
> The most brute-force test is to create a whole new user profile:
> 
>   # (exit firefox)
>   mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup
>   # (launch, re-test)
>   # (exit firefox)
>   rm -rf ~/.mozilla
>   mv ~/.mozilla-backup ~/.mozilla
> 

This is what I would call a "Microsoft Windows 95 approach": if it
does not work, uninstall it, reboot, reinstall it, light a candle
beside your screen, fiddle with the system registry, reboot again,
jump on one foot, pull the plug, cross your fingers, boot again,
rinse, repeat...

Is this really a solution? Then the most principled approach is
probably to stop using Firefox altogether. Seriously, we are not
forced to swallow any crap they want to shovel down our throat. In the
quest to beat IE and then to chase up Chrome, Firefox has become a
*hog*, which is able to do a thousand and more different things (in
most cases quite badly), and also happens to render HTML pages every
now and then.

I have been quite happy with surf lately. I only need firefox for the
rare case in which I need to access a few javascript-intensive
(crappy) websites for work reasons. And I am actively looking for an
alternative there.

Computing does not need to be like that. Things can still be done
properly.

:\

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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[spiralofhope]

The most brute-force test is to create a whole new user profile:

  # (exit firefox)
  mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup
  # (launch, re-test)
  # (exit firefox)
  rm -rf ~/.mozilla
  mv ~/.mozilla-backup ~/.mozilla



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:55:36 +0200
Edward Bartolo  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I am lately noticing that while typing on youtube to post my comments
> the types letters take several seconds to become visible. I comment on
> some youtube channels dealing with electronics.
> 
> I am using ASCII and firefox version 52.7.3.
> 
> Does anyone know of anything that can tame Firefox not to gobble all
> my CPU's cycles just to display some letters?
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[DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[Edward Bartolo]

On 27/04/2018, Florian Zieboll  wrote:
> Am 27. April 2018 15:55:36 MESZ schrieb Edward Bartolo :
>
>> Does anyone know of anything that can tame Firefox not to gobble all
>> my CPU's cycles just to display some letters?
>
>
> I'd have a look at my lng list of add-ons^^
>

My add-on count is 4. These are:
a) NoScript
b) uBlock Origin
c) Zoom Page
d) VLC Youtube Shortcut (does not work).

I will remove 'd' (as it does not work) and see what happens.
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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Stefan Krusche]

Am Freitag 27 April 2018 schrieb Florian Zieboll:
> Am 27. April 2018 15:27:46 MESZ schrieb Stefan Krusche 
:
> > It's the default for the default distribution you are using, I think.
> > You can change that in /etc/apt/preference with pinning.
>
> Yeah, thanks - I was just wondering where this default is defined, if not
> in /etc/apt/preferences[.d/], as I have nothing there but my custom prefs
> (verified on four Devuan and one Debian box, while not aware of ever having
> changed or deleted files from a default installation there). Or is this
> hardcoded now, in apt, aptitude, synaptic?
>
> lg,
>
> f.

Don't know what is hardcoded where, the 500 default prio maybe. Besides that 
what KatolaZ said is very good information to me, especially about the 
automatic* params. I learned some ;-)

Stefan

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Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[Florian Zieboll]

Am 27. April 2018 15:55:36 MESZ schrieb Edward Bartolo :

> Does anyone know of anything that can tame Firefox not to gobble all
> my CPU's cycles just to display some letters?


I'd have a look at my lng list of add-ons^^

lg,

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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

Am 27. April 2018 15:13:28 MESZ schrieb KatolaZ :

> it's determined in the repo config, and apt acquires this in formation
> from the Release files. In particular, if the following fields are
> present in the Release file of a suite:
> 
>   NotAutomatic: yes
>   ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes
> 
> then apt will assign to the corresponding suite a lower priority (the
> default is 100). NotAutomatic prevents the suite from shadowing
> packages in other suites with higher priority (e.g., ascii is by
> default at 500), while ButAutomaticUpgrades will allow upgrades to
> already-installed packages from the suite to be pulled-in if
> necessary.
> 
> The only way to change the priority of a suite in your local
> installation is via a pin.


Great, thank you!

florian

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[DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi All,

I am lately noticing that while typing on youtube to post my comments
the types letters take several seconds to become visible. I comment on
some youtube channels dealing with electronics.

I am using ASCII and firefox version 52.7.3.

Does anyone know of anything that can tame Firefox not to gobble all
my CPU's cycles just to display some letters?

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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

Am 27. April 2018 15:27:46 MESZ schrieb Stefan Krusche 
:

> It's the default for the default distribution you are using, I think.
> You can change that in /etc/apt/preference with pinning.


Yeah, thanks - I was just wondering where this default is defined, if not in 
/etc/apt/preferences[.d/], as I have nothing there but my custom prefs 
(verified on four Devuan and one Debian box, while not aware of ever having 
changed or deleted files from a default installation there). Or is this 
hardcoded now, in apt, aptitude, synaptic?

lg,

f.


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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Stefan Krusche]

Am Freitag 27 April 2018 schrieb Florian Zieboll:
> obviously I hit "send" too fast, as I couldn't find that configuration
> anywhere under "/etc/apt/". Where is this behavior defined, resp. how
> would I change it? (Just in case...)

It's the default for the default distribution you are using, I think.
You can change that in /etc/apt/preference with pinning.

HTH, Stefan
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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 02:24:36PM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:13:15 +0200
> Florian Zieboll  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:07:02 +0100
> > KatolaZ  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Pinning should not be needed any more, since the *-backports suites
> > > are at prio 100 by default (it was not like that in the past
> > > though, I know...) while $codename. $codename-updates and
> > > $codename-security are at prio 500.  
> > 
> > 
> > Nice to know! 
> 
> 
> Hallo KatolaZ,
> 
> obviously I hit "send" too fast, as I couldn't find that configuration
> anywhere under "/etc/apt/". Where is this behavior defined, resp. how
> would I change it? (Just in case...)
> 

Hi Florian,

it's determined in the repo config, and apt acquires this in formation
from the Release files. In particular, if the following fields are
present in the Release file of a suite:

  NotAutomatic: yes
  ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes

then apt will assign to the corresponding suite a lower priority (the
default is 100). NotAutomatic prevents the suite from shadowing
packages in other suites with higher priority (e.g., ascii is by
default at 500), while ButAutomaticUpgrades will allow upgrades to
already-installed packages from the suite to be pulled-in if
necessary.

The only way to change the priority of a suite in your local
installation is via a pin.

HTH

KatolaZ

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[DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session - update

[Lars Noodén]

On 04/27/2018 02:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip]

First thing I'd do is test the RAM and the disk. Easy to do, and it
would be  real shame to chase your video driver tail for a month when
it was bad RAM. I'm pretty sure bad RAM can cause almost anything: Why
not rule it out early.

[snip]

Thanks for that reminder.  I had checked the RAM early on but when I did 
it before I had only checked with single-threaded Memtest86+  So this 
time I did it properly and also checked the multi-threaded tests.  One 
of them that causes it to lock up every time and I can

t get past test #7.

The driver is a separate problem I'll have to address, but later.

I'll go after that hardware issue first and then check additional 
options like problematic drivers.



I'd just be careful about reducing focus too early, or the root cause
might escape you for a long, long time.

[snip]

Too late ;)

I'll look into things now and update the list in some days or weeks.

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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:13:15 +0200
Florian Zieboll  wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:07:02 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Pinning should not be needed any more, since the *-backports suites
> > are at prio 100 by default (it was not like that in the past
> > though, I know...) while $codename. $codename-updates and
> > $codename-security are at prio 500.  
> 
> 
> Nice to know! 


Hallo KatolaZ,

obviously I hit "send" too fast, as I couldn't find that configuration
anywhere under "/etc/apt/". Where is this behavior defined, resp. how
would I change it? (Just in case...)

lg,

Florian




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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:31:43 +0200
Florian Zieboll  wrote:

> If you really want to have the "backports" version, in the worst case,
> you'll have to specify the needed version for every package in the
> dependency chain (...)


Hallo Lars,

in the meantime i remembered that there is also aptitude, which is able
to solve such dependency problems on its own. Just run

$ aptitude install =

and choose the best solution. Life can be so easy :-)


libre Grüße,

Florian


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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:07:02 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:31:43AM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:05:41 +0300
> > Lars Noodén  wrote:
> >   
>  [...]  
> > 
> > Not sure if you are aware that your system tries to pull the package
> > from the "backports" repo... To avoid that, I have ascii-backports
> > pinned with a priority of 150 and (a dry run of)
> > 
> > $ apt-get -s install nvidia-driver
> > 
> > reports no problems.  
> 
> 
> Pinning should not be needed any more, since the *-backports suites
> are at prio 100 by default (it was not like that in the past though, I
> know...) while $codename. $codename-updates and $codename-security are
> at prio 500.


Nice to know! 

libre Grüße,

Florian



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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:31:43AM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:05:41 +0300
> Lars Noodén  wrote:
> 
> > # apt-cache show nvidia-driver-bin | head -n 3
> > Package: nvidia-driver-bin
> > Source: nvidia-graphics-drivers
> > Version: 390.48-2~bpo9+1
> 
> Not sure if you are aware that your system tries to pull the package
> from the "backports" repo... To avoid that, I have ascii-backports
> pinned with a priority of 150 and (a dry run of)
> 
> $ apt-get -s install nvidia-driver
> 
> reports no problems.


Pinning should not be needed any more, since the *-backports suites
are at prio 100 by default (it was not like that in the past though, I
know...) while $codename. $codename-updates and $codename-security are
at prio 500.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] machine locks up switching between console and X session

[Florian Zieboll]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:05:41 +0300
Lars Noodén  wrote:

> # apt-cache show nvidia-driver-bin | head -n 3
> Package: nvidia-driver-bin
> Source: nvidia-graphics-drivers
> Version: 390.48-2~bpo9+1

Not sure if you are aware that your system tries to pull the package
from the "backports" repo... To avoid that, I have ascii-backports
pinned with a priority of 150 and (a dry run of)

$ apt-get -s install nvidia-driver

reports no problems.

If you really want to have the "backports" version, in the worst case,
you'll have to specify the needed version for every package in the
dependency chain, like 

$ apt-get install = = [...]

To find the available versions of all the packages, just run

$ apt-cache show   [...] | grep -e ^Package -e ^Version

As a workaround, there's the possibility to temporarily comment out all
other repositories in your sources.list and run "apt-get update" before
installing the driver.

libre Grüße,

Florian



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