Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Lars Noodén via Dng]

On 1/16/22 22:58, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip]

Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video
at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ?


Yes, it was quite interesting to hear about what a nice working
environment there used to be and the talent that was active there,
especially the hands-off management style.

He mentioned one of the main points of UNIX being about fostering
community, and he was not far from MIT the whole time.  So I was a
little disappointed that he did not at mention GNU at least in passing
even though he did spend some time talking about Linux.

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Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng]

Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 15:58:36 -0500
 Steve Litt scripsit:
> ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 +
>
> >On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >>
> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched
> >> the video:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E
> >
> >But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
> >
> >A bit off topic, I know...
>
> Yes, and for that reason I wish you'd changed the subject line to
> reflect your message.
>
> Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video
> at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ?

It's a short version of "UNIX: A History and a Memoir" ISBN: 978-1695978553. If 
you are too young to have at least a faint memory of that ear I'd suggest you 
get a copy :)

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Re: [DNG] Youtube is slow and advertisement laden: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Ken Dibble]

On 1/16/22 4:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 +


On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched
the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E

But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
deviant advertisements...

Impossible is lifting a Cadillac over your head with just your body's
muscles. Annoying is Youtube advertisements. Youtube is still
watchable. And, if you hate advertisements, you can just subscribe to
Youtube Premium and not get them.


And google seem to have found a way to make
youtube-dl hopelessly slow.

This throttling of youtube-dl is inconvenient but not life-altering.
You can make a list of videos you want to download, put them all in a
shellscript, and set it off just before you go to bed. The next day
you'll have all the videos.

Here's a tip: Be sure to use the --restrict-filenames option so you
don't get hard to rename filenames.

SteveT

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Or just install tsp and submit the download commands to the queue.


Ken

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Re: [DNG] nftables firewall and fail2ban replacement.

[Steve Litt]

onefang said on Wed, 12 Jan 2022 23:49:39 +1000

>I've been using shorewall and fail2ban for a while now, but nftables is
>soon replacing iptables, so it's time to consider some options.

I can't tell whether you're addressing the firewall on a single
computer, or the firewall between your LAN and the Internet.

If the former, now that
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/router-attack-netusb-flaw , I'm going to
replace the firewall functions of my Spectrum Cable Modem with an
OpenBSD PF firewall. An excellent documentation set of PF is at
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/router-attack-netusb-flaw , and there's
an excellent sample firewall config at
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#example .

Having looked at pfSense, iptables, nftables, IPFire, Openwall, and
OPNsense, I find plain old pf superior for a firewall appliance. If you
need the same machine to be a DHCP server, I'd just install a BSD DHCP
server on the same machine.

If I wanted a DNS server on the firewall machine (I don't) instead of
on one of my LAN machines (which I do), I'd install unbound and nsd on
the BSD machine.

==

If you meant the firewall on one Linux machine, you obviously can't use
the BSD-onlty pf. I've found iptables to be quite useable, and haven't
yet tried nftables. I tried Shorewall and found it to add tremendous
complication to iptables and it seems to outsmart itself when trying to
do something out of the ordinary, so I just resorted to iptables.

I haven't tried fail2ban, and would like to hear more about it.


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Re: [DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

[ael via Dng]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 10:50:18PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> ael:
> > > > > I'm told to:
> > > > >
> > > > > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y
> > 
> > git clone 
> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
> 
> or if you want samething smaller, download a specific kernel source 
> from:
>  https://www.kernel.org/
> 
> 
> If you use "make menuconfig" the config mentioned above is in
> "Device drivers -> Graphics support", put a "y" in this entry:
> 
>  [ ]   Enable additional push buffer debugging
> 
> There are a lot of choises in the kernel config, so the hard part is 
> to make the right choises.

Maybe it is in those guides, but the biggest problem with
make menuconfig
is the vast number of choices when starting from scratch.
If you are satisfied with an otherwise generic kernel, use
/boot/config-xxx
as a template. I should have mentioned that in my private message.

If you do clone the stable kernel, it is probably a good idea to
make htmldocs
as in the top level README.
What you are not told is that the results appear in the
Documentation/output/ directory.

Caveat: it is a long time since I compiled a kernel, so some of this may
be dated.

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

[karl]

ael:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
> > >
> > > o1bigtenor:
> > > ...
> > > > I'm told to:
> > > >
> > > > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y
> > > ...
> > >
> > >  That config is used in:
> > > drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/include/nvif/push.h
> > >
> > > its latest commit is d502297008142645edf5c791af424ed321e5da84
> > > from 2021-01-19, so you need kernel v5.11-rc6 or later. So
> > > get a suffiently new kernel and do as they say.
> > >
> > 
> > Hmm  - - - - and HOW do I do that?
> 
> git clone 
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git

or if you want samething smaller, download a specific kernel source 
from:
 https://www.kernel.org/

Here is a guide on how to buile the kernel:
 https://phoenixnap.com/kb/build-linux-kernel
The debian howto is a little confusing, start at sec.4.6
 https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html

If you use "make menuconfig" the config mentioned above is in
"Device drivers -> Graphics support", put a "y" in this entry:

 [ ]   Enable additional push buffer debugging

There are a lot of choises in the kernel config, so the hard part is 
to make the right choises.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar


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[DNG] Youtube is slow and advertisement laden: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Steve Litt]

ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 +

>On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched
>> the video:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E  
>
>But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
>deviant advertisements... 

Impossible is lifting a Cadillac over your head with just your body's
muscles. Annoying is Youtube advertisements. Youtube is still
watchable. And, if you hate advertisements, you can just subscribe to
Youtube Premium and not get them.

> And google seem to have found a way to make
>youtube-dl hopelessly slow. 

This throttling of youtube-dl is inconvenient but not life-altering.
You can make a list of videos you want to download, put them all in a
shellscript, and set it off just before you go to bed. The next day
you'll have all the videos.

Here's a tip: Be sure to use the --restrict-filenames option so you
don't get hard to rename filenames.

SteveT

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[DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Steve Litt]

ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 +

>On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched
>> the video:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E  
>
>But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
>
>A bit off topic, I know...

Yes, and for that reason I wish you'd changed the subject line to
reflect your message.

Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video
at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ?


SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

[ael via Dng]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 02:01:00PM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: o1bigtenor 
> Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNG] request for assistance
> To: 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
> >
> > o1bigtenor:
> > ...
> > > I'm told to:
> > >
> > > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y
> > ...
> >
> >  That config is used in:
> > drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/include/nvif/push.h
> >
> > its latest commit is d502297008142645edf5c791af424ed321e5da84
> > from 2021-01-19, so you need kernel v5.11-rc6 or later. So
> > get a suffiently new kernel and do as they say.
> >
> 
> Hmm  - - - - and HOW do I do that?

git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git

should do it.

Seems to be 5.16.0 with updates for 5.17 in progress as of this evening.

ael


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[DNG] Fwd: request for assistance

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

-- Forwarded message -
From: o1bigtenor 
Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] request for assistance
To: 


On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
> o1bigtenor:
> ...
> > I'm told to:
> >
> > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y
> ...
>
>  That config is used in:
> drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/include/nvif/push.h
>
> its latest commit is d502297008142645edf5c791af424ed321e5da84
> from 2021-01-19, so you need kernel v5.11-rc6 or later. So
> get a suffiently new kernel and do as they say.
>

Hmm  - - - - and HOW do I do that?
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[DNG] Youtube, the systemd of video

[ael via Dng]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote:
> 
> Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that 
> you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing.
> 
> yt-download is gon with the wind. Use a fork  like yt-ldp 
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - that's what I have in use.

Since my off-topic remark seems to have spawned so much traffic, I will
mention that I hae been using Noscript, Adblock latitude and uBlock
Origin in my default browser for many years, and do not normally see
any advertisements. 

The youtube video stuff embedded in/preprended to the video stream seemed to be
something different. Perhaps I could have found a way to block that.
But, as I think I conveyed, I didn't want to view these videos in
a browser anyway: just keep downloading and viewing as and when I
chose with a highly flexible player like mpv or mplayer or whatever.
Just as I was used to with youtube-dl. But Nikolaus has solved that
by pointing to yt-dl which I ought to have found myself.

Not that I want to inhibit the extended conversation about blocking
more generally. Thanks to everyone.

ael


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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[al3xu5 via Dng]

Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + - ael via Dng :

> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 
> > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the
> > video:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E  
> 
> But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
> deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make
> youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is
> dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv.
> 
> A bit off topic, I know...
> 
> Does anyone know of a way of accessing youtube nowadays without wasting
> huge amounts of time and losing the will to live and all concentration
> before getting to the proper topic (etc)?

Give TorBrowser a try.

Regards
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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[d...@d404.nl]

On 16-01-2022 15:32, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote:



On 16 Jan 2022, at 23:38, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng 
 wrote:


Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware 
that you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing.


uMatrix is EOL and the GitHub repository archived a long time ago.

You can achieve similar functionality with just ublock origin with the 
advanced mode dynamic filtering.


https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Dynamic-filtering:-quick-guide 



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On most systems i do not bother to use the advanced mode from uBlock, 
just update your lists regularly. uBlock as browser addon and PiHole as 
dns blocks virtually every ad and even better it blocks the trackers 
from Facebook, Google etc.


Grtz

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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Antony Stone]

On Sunday 16 January 2022 at 15:42:13, Maurice McCarthy via Dng wrote:

> Can you block ads on the firewall? On OpenBSD's pf firewall config
> file this pretty much wipes out all ads on youtube.
> 
> table  {8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4}
> table  {2001:4860:4860:: 2001:4860:4860::8844}
> pass in quick to  rdr-to 127.0.0.1
> pass in quick to  rdr-to ::1
> 
> Blocking Google's own DNS servers.

This needs to go where?  On the client machine I want to see YouTube on, or on 
my local caching recursive DNS server?

Are you blocking DNS lookups to Google, or are you saying that the ad content 
itself comes from the same IP addresses (which I know are not "proper servers" 
- it's a geo-diverse network of many many machines, but they could be content 
servers as well as DNS)?

Assuming I do not use Google DNS servers in my client machine's resolv.conf (I 
have a local recursive caching DNS server on my network, with a hints file 
pointing at the root name servers), I don't believe that my client computer 
would ever contact Google's DNS to resolve a machine's name, so I'm puzzled as 
to what traffic actually needs to be blocked.

Thanks for any further info you can provide; it looks like a neat solution :)


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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Maurice McCarthy via Dng]

Can you block ads on the firewall? On OpenBSD's pf firewall config
file this pretty much wipes out all ads on youtube.

table  {8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4}
table  {2001:4860:4860:: 2001:4860:4860::8844}
pass in quick to  rdr-to 127.0.0.1
pass in quick to  rdr-to ::1

Blocking Google's own DNS servers.
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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[wirelessduck--- via Dng]

> On 16 Jan 2022, at 23:38, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng  
> wrote:
> 
> Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that 
> you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing.

uMatrix is EOL and the GitHub repository archived a long time ago.

You can achieve similar functionality with just ublock origin with the advanced 
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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[ael via Dng]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote:
> Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 11:56:51 +
>  ael via Dng scripsit:
> > But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
> > deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make
> > youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is
> > dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv.
> 
> Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that 
> you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing.
> 
> yt-download is gon with the wind. Use a fork  like yt-ldp 
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - that's what I have in use.

Thank you so much for that. I should have found yt-dlp myself. Just 
tried it and it worked perfectly, at least on one test case.

Wonderful.

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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[terryc]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 +
ael via Dng  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 
> > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched
> > the video:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E  
> 
> But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
> deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make
> youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is
> dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv.

Shrug, I've just been using the youtube-dl (in the repository) in a
couple of terminals as I do other stuff and eventually get around to
using vlc to watch them

I've been doing that for only a short while and find I've had to create
a file structure to store them by subject.

Tip, restarting some stuff where it responds '403 forbidden' is
usually successful.

YMMV, but I find that procedure better than purging cookies to get the
one add free 'preview'.

By the time you posted, the subject video had downloaded.
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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng]

Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 11:56:51 +
 ael via Dng scripsit:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the
> > video:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E
>
> But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
> deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make
> youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is
> dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv.

Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that 
you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing.

yt-download is gon with the wind. Use a fork  like yt-ldp 
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - that's what I have in use.

>
> A bit off topic, I know...
>
> Does anyone know of a way of accessing youtube nowadays without wasting
> huge amounts of time and losing the will to live and all concentration
> before getting to the proper topic (etc)?

No. yt is broken, since "AI" took over.

Nik

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Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

[ael via Dng]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the
> video:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E

But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive
deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make
youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is
dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv.

A bit off topic, I know...

Does anyone know of a way of accessing youtube nowadays without wasting
huge amounts of time and losing the will to live and all concentration
before getting to the proper topic (etc)?

ael

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Re: [DNG] A number of question about version 4.0

[terryc]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:00:51 -0500
Larry Linder via Dng  wrote:

> I have loaded and it connects up to our network without a problem.
> 
> 1.  I would like to change desktops as default is too dark to be read.

I do not know what the default desktop is.
I run xfce4.
Does a mouse right click on the desktop bring up a menu?
Down the bottom into 'Applications", then 'Settings", then "Desktop"
might help initially (change back ground)

> 
> 2.  I need to add users to this system.  Currently we have 50 systems
> in our shop and many different users of each system.  I cannot add new
> users or find out how to do it.  The passwords required are a pain int
> he ass.  Is there a way to get rid of this.

What are the systems?
When our SOHO grew to multiple linux systems. I developed a list of
USER+UUID, so each user(real or virtual) has a unique UserID across all
systems. E.G
   USERuid
  fred 12001
  hugo 12002
  mary 12003
  gisop12004
  webadmin 12005

So your can do  'sudo adduser fred -uid 12001' and so on.
Hint 'man adduser'
You can set an initial passwd and require them to change it.

This way, using NFS is problem free.

The hard part is getting everything existing initially standardised.

I can not help you with password management systems. YMMVv, but I juust
found them overly complex for our need.

 
> 
> 3.  I need to run a combination of 64 it and 32 bit engrineering
> application.  We currently do this on SL 6.5 updated to 6.10 and it
> all works.

As suggested, add multiarch
> 
> Any hope 

Just keep asking questions
> 
> Larry Linder
> 
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Re: [DNG] nftables firewall and fail2ban replacement.

[wirelessduck--- via Dng]

> On 16 Jan 2022, at 19:41, onefang  wrote:
> 
> On 2022-01-16 17:23:29, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On 16 Jan 2022, at 12:54, Bob Proulx via Dng  wrote:
>>> 
 Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> I am not really happy with any of the programs I have looked at
>>> either.
>>> 
>>> Ubuntu really pushes ufw but it feels too complicated to me.  (Joking
>>> because it is supposed to be the Uncomplicated Firewall.)  But I don't
>>> like that one shapes ufw in bits and pieces like crafting clay on a
>>> pottery table.  I would much rather have a file with the rules (or at
>>> least most of them) in one place that then could get version
>>> controlled and copied around.  ufw does maintain files behind the
>>> scenes though so perhaps one could hack at those files directly and
>>> avoid the command line interface.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>> 
>> Have you tried firehol? It uses configuration files to set firewall rules 
>> for both inbound and outbound connections.
>> 
>> https://firehol.org/
> 
> firehol doesn't support nftables.  Yet, looks like they been thinking
> about it for years.

Ahh thanks. I just read the bug report and looks like it might not happen 
anytime soon.

https://github.com/firehol/firehol/issues/48

I looked at ferm but that appears to be similar and won’t be updated to support 
nftables. There was a bug filed to netfilter for some usability improvements 
that might be useful if switching to plain nftables configuration files.

https://bugzilla.netfilter.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1434

I also found APF which might be a good alternative frontend.

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Re: [DNG] A number of question about version 4.0

[Ludovic Bellière via Dng]

Hello Larry,


On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Larry Linder via Dng wrote:


I have loaded and it connects up to our network without a problem.

1.  I would like to change desktops as default is too dark to be read.


That should be under the look entry of your user settings. Don't know the
actual name, as my UI is in french.


2.  I need to add users to this system.  Currently we have 50 systems in
our shop and many different users of each system.  I cannot add new
users or find out how to do it.  The passwords required are a pain int
he ass.  Is there a way to get rid of this.


About 20 years ago was a distro named Mandrake Linux. It was a great distro for
the desktop. With it came a GUI to do user management, yet nowadays I find it
strange that there is no unified GUI to do just that.

There is, however, a package that install such tools. It is called
gnome-system-tools. Don't be fooled by the name, it is somewhat independent from
gnome. Once installed, if it's not already present, you should find a new entry
in the "system" menu of your applications menu called something like "Users and
Groups". From there you can add or remove users as you see fit.


3.  I need to run a combination of 64 it and 32 bit engrineering
application.  We currently do this on SL 6.5 updated to 6.10 and it all
works.


Installing i386 dependencies isn't an issue on debian/devuan either. You'll just
have to specify that you need to 32bit version when using apt, like `apt install
some-package-name:i386'.


Cheers,
Ludovic


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[DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the
video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E

It's Brian Kernighan discussing the formation of Unix, starting from
the back story of the creation of Bell Labs, including predecessors
CTSS and Multics, and C predecessors BCPL which was modified to become
B, and why Dennis Richie added types to B to make C.

This video really hits its stride when Kernighan discusses piping and
redirection, and the ease of creating wonderful things out of small
parts that, and Kernighan used these words, "do one thing and do it
well."

I felt like I was watching a fellow traveller who respected simplicity,
and creating powerful systems from simple tools. It was a much needed
reaffirmation for a guy who, when he's not with his Devuan buddies,
endures countless taunts for not using the pulseaudio-mandated Zoom, or
a Mac, or even Windows. They call me a tinkerer, even though my user
interface has changed not one bit in seven years (Openbox with dmenu
and UMENU2). Kind of ironic considering the changes their beloved Gnome
and KDE have put them through during that time.

This video is such a breath of fresh air in a world worshipping Gates,
Jobs and Poettering. I suggest you watch it. I think it will bring a
smile to your face.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
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Re: [DNG] A number of question about version 4.0

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:00:51 -0500
Larry Linder via Dng  wrote:

Hi,

> I have loaded and it connects up to our network without a problem.
> 
> 1.  I would like to change desktops as default is too dark to be read.

Just change the default system theme to something lighter.

> 2.  I need to add users to this system.  Currently we have 50 systems in
> our shop and many different users of each system.  I cannot add new
> users or find out how to do it.  The passwords required are a pain int
> he ass.  Is there a way to get rid of this.

Locally as root open a terminal and type: adduser joe
If you want a system to manage users for allowing them access to all boxes
there are some but I don't use them e.g: openldap.
Going without passwords will be even a greater pain,
and at least in Europe a no-go if you process any sensible customer's
or worker's data.

> 
> 3.  I need to run a combination of 64 it and 32 bit engrineering
> application.  We currently do this on SL 6.5 updated to 6.10 and it all
> works.

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

> Any hope 

Dum spiro spero

> Larry Linder

Ciao,
Tito

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Re: [DNG] nftables firewall and fail2ban replacement.

[onefang]

On 2022-01-16 17:23:29, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote:
> 
> 
> > On 16 Jan 2022, at 12:54, Bob Proulx via Dng  wrote:
> > 
> >> Any suggestions?
> > 
> > I am not really happy with any of the programs I have looked at
> > either.
> > 
> > Ubuntu really pushes ufw but it feels too complicated to me.  (Joking
> > because it is supposed to be the Uncomplicated Firewall.)  But I don't
> > like that one shapes ufw in bits and pieces like crafting clay on a
> > pottery table.  I would much rather have a file with the rules (or at
> > least most of them) in one place that then could get version
> > controlled and copied around.  ufw does maintain files behind the
> > scenes though so perhaps one could hack at those files directly and
> > avoid the command line interface.
> > 
> > Bob
> 
> Have you tried firehol? It uses configuration files to set firewall rules for 
> both inbound and outbound connections.
> 
> https://firehol.org/

firehol doesn't support nftables.  Yet, looks like they been thinking
about it for years.

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