Re: [DNG] Wifi dropping ramdomly
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:32:18 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > This is likely not your problem, but I've found that wifi shuts down > on one of the older and slower local wifi frequencies whenever my > microwave oven is in use. I had a microwave mess with bluetooth, but it was hard to reproduce. I got a new microwave. That's unrelated, but probably for the best. :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] About the majoritys choise (Re: article about devuan)
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 20:36:27 +0200 (CEST) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > If you place a million monkeys in front of typewriters, > Shakespears complete works will eventually emerge; > well, Internet has proved that to be wrong. There might have actually been grand creations within the internet, but that signal is hidden by the noise, search, and content gatekeepers; and we just can't find them. I once wrote a comment that helps explain dark matter. I'm pretty sure it's not on a YouTube video and is on a blog article with some third-party comment hoster. Maybe it starts with a G or a Q? At any rate I forgot it, but it's on the internet somewhere. Don't worry, I'll publish some ideas in a fantasy/scifi fiction novel in a couple of decades. You won't find that either unless you know me, and even then you'd have to wade through a few books in the series first. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:20:51 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > > "To use and understand Devuan, you must change your mindset and > > perception of the distribution’s > > core beliefs. Because, in my perspective, Devuan is first > > philosophy and secondarily a Linux distribution." > > > > T H A T ' S J U S T I N S A N E ! > > Nobody, and I mean nobody, goes to the incredible trouble of making a > distro to express a philosophy. I owe a debt of gratitude to the VUAs > who, against all odds, forked Debian and recruited enough people to > make that fork a success. "The Unix Way" is an example of a philosophy that either drives technical decisions or explains them. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:14:10 +0200 tito via Dng wrote: > Of the listed distributions only MX and Slackware rank betteer on > distrowatch.com, the other rank at about the same positions as Devuan. I never did understand distrowatch. Plenty of people just go to their distro directly, so distrowatch has nothing to track. Articles like those to be smarter about this fact. > https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity > > The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way > of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free > operating systems among the visitors of this website. They correlate > neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the > market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a > distribution page on DistroWatch was accessed each day, nothing more. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:46:47 +0200 Antonio Rendina via Dng wrote: > Having control on some open/free source software piece helps you to > drive the project in the direction that you find more convenient or > to kill the project the moment that you don't need it anymore. I've noticed this, and I had speculated that companies will themselves found projects to re-create various things in order to stall them into copying code that becomes legacy long before the project is competitive. I suspect this of projects like the various BeOS implementations. > ... Firefox is tied with all two hands to Google that is in control > of Chrome and Chromium too. I also see some projects, certainly Mozilla, as tied to politics as well, which is especially stupid; I'd liken that to a constraint/tether to an external philosophy. > Linus Torvalds at today has been one of the best at playing this > game. Maybe not on other fronts, but that is wrong on the philosophy front. Didn't he bow out of some aspects of his effort for some reasons? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:52:12 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Syeed Ali said on Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:31:37 -0700 > > >Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the > >intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical > >distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to > >make sure that WSL has complete support; indeed better support than > >on Linux. Combined Windows and WSL can thereby be extended nicely > >in ways pure Linux cannot. > > Your paragraphs contained the words "embracing" and "extended". You > forgot the word "extinquish". :-) I left that as a problem for the reader. :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft
Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to make sure that WSL has complete support; indeed better support than on Linux. Combined Windows and WSL can thereby be extended nicely in ways pure Linux cannot. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] Flash memory testing on Windows (was: fdisk SD card partitioning question)
As there was some discussion of fakes. At your own risk and if you have access to Windows there are some good tools to low-level verify either for a fake or bad bits on USB/SD storage: "FakeFlashTest" https://rmprepusb.com/tutorials/007-all-about-fake-sd-cards-and-usb-flash-drives/ "USB Flash Drive Tester" https://www.vconsole.com/download You might also want to try low-level formatting tools. The SD Association has a formatter for Win/Mac https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/ The download link on that page is currently broken, but this link works: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/eula_windows/SDCardFormatterv5_WinEN.zip I have old formatting tools from Lexar and HP but I can't find their official sources. Be aware that low-level tools might render your item unusable until re-formatted with other low-level tools. I recommend you do read tests before write/format efforts. Years ago I bought a 1 TB USB stick for $10 CAD. At the time this was an impossible price for impossible storage so of course it was fake, but it amused me to test for and flag bad sectors as unusable to get it working. I got over 300 GB to verify as usable which was still incredible. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] browsers
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:43:09 -0500 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Someone who is using chromium - - - - is it possible to harden > chromium? The Brave browser specifically targets de-Googling and removing shenanigans. https://brave.com/ https://brave.com/linux/ It also has native ad blocking that's reasonable and can be supplemented by an addon to be more aggressive, as well as BitTorrent, and TOR functionality. It's also available for Android, and I use it's sync feature so I can share my settings, bookmarks, and open tabs across a few devices. You can also make a tidge of money from it if you'd like to explore it's "Basic Attention Token" concept. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] No-Internet Devuan Installer?
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:14:32 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Let's say, just for fun, that I expected to be permanently > disconnected from the Internet, but still wanted to use my computer, > kind of how I used my computer 1985-1995. If you additionally want to be able to do an offline version of apt get upgrade I believe the software to use is "apt-offline". It will let you - Build a list of files on your offline system - Sneakernet with those data to an internet-connected system - Have it selectively fetch the necessary files and dependencies - Return to your offline system with those files - Upgrade with those files It might be smart enough to let you update (with dependencies) only select software; I don't remember. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] files disappearing reproducibly
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:33:39 +0100 marc wrote: > Init adopts orphan processes. This is wholesome. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Another reason for why I use Devuan
On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:25:05 -1000 Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 05:55:49PM -0700, Keith Christian via Dng > wrote: > > This describes the machine ID: > > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html > > So a creation of the freedesktop folks. I like this quote: > It should be considered "confidential", and must not be exposed in > untrusted environments, > ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What is your take on finit?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:59:24 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > I saw this coming into Debian Sid, so should be available in Devuan > Ceres as well: > > https://troglobit.com/projects/finit/ I'm going to hazard the guess that this will be lined up in the same way that Microsoft propped up Apple so they can point to a "competitor" and say "see, we're not a monopoly!". ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Screen readability (was Re: The Daedalus desktop needs some love)
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:12:40 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > If a software vendor prefers to make me install and learn a screen > reader rather than start with readable text, probably going to move to > alternative software. Like I did with Gobo. Now I have a fiction in my head about an old tech booting up a distribution with stdout being a daisy wheel printer and using a magnifying glass to compile a sane kernel to boot from. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:38:43 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > The bike-shedding is quite useless and frankly getting annoying > without an accompanying tangible option for us to look at and > evaluate. > > Is everyone really that bored and clueless? I think more like curious and listless. I like these occasional diversions as long as participants to the project itself remain only amused and not too distracted. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:08:08 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > Sure others could come up with better symbols / logos and words than > me. Freedom as an idea is a contrast between non-free and free. A symbol if it is therefore shown in those three parts: 1. Non-free (limitation, imprisonment, etc) 2. Freeing (getting away from #1) 3. Free (moving away to the contrast) A bird/branch is a frequent one: 1. The branch (sitting) 2. Flight (mobility, choice) 3. The sky A particular bird has many meanings for various reasons though. This idea could be shown just as easily with a creature waddling out from the waters onto the land. I can't think of anything else at the moment, but I think the deep meaning is in that three-part idea. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 22:59:35 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/if-rev3.png I submit: "Freedom includes init choice." ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RGBling
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 11:09:12 -0500 tempforever wrote: > Do we really need clear panel cases and lighting on internal parts? > Apparently, many manufacturers believe so. I have a closed case yet light still leaks out of the back of my PSU. Numlock, desktop speaker, mouse DPI setting, monitors even when asleep, my KVM, and every single port on my USB hub all leak. I bought a hub with a single power switch just to turn off half my devices. /rant ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 07:08:38 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > I'm used to these kinds of terminals not having window decorations. > Any way to accomplish that? I haven't tried Antoine's work, but Openbox's rc.xml has functionality to do that sort of thing. I've tinkered with wmctrl https://sites.google.com/site/tstyblo/wmctrl It's apparently not updated. I haven't had a chance to try Devil's Pie http://www.burtonini.com/blog/tag/devilspie.html There are some other options that I haven't played with. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Report bugs
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 19:14:25 +0100 viverna via Dng wrote: > I have found a bug in dialog. > How do I report a bug? Devuan, debian or to the author of the > software? Likely to the author. Two email addresses are listed here: https://invisible-island.net/dialog/#bugs ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 21:30:38 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Peter Duffy said on Fri, 26 Nov 2021 11:08:27 + > > >It's a bit like the charlatans and fake doctors in past centuries. > >They'd invent an illness, and then claim to have a remedy for it: > > > >https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/marthambles > > Or, more recently, http://bentcarrot.com. > > It's bent? Oh, the horror! I went reading for a laugh. Then I went hunting for an "it's all a troll lol" admission that it's a joke website. I don't know if it is. Their chain of references was: https://www.endo.com/endopharma/therapeutic-areas/urology-mens-health/peyronies-disease https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peyronies-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20353468 Alternate: https://menshealth.mayoclinic.org/ServiceLine/peyronies-disease/?Id=11 And for what it's worth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie%27s_disease If these sources are legit then I am ethically obligated to bring up.. There is a similar issue to the fake disease: A genuine problem exists but is said to be imaginary while the sufferers and their advocates (if any) are painted as bad and society laughs at them. Your reaction to bent carrot was that same laughter and the equivalent of "shut up and man up". To pull it back on topic, I do personally think systemd is some variation to busywork for money, a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, inventing complexity, premature optimization and I don't know what else. It hurts my brain, but for many things I try to wonder if I'm stuck in my ways or somehow can't see the full picture. I'm jaded at marketing, and I know to not trust paid advocates or people who are shackled to something by employment or social elements, but I'm still kinda open. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastebasket_diagnosis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 18:11:09 + Simon wrote: > In the early days of motoring, you had a lot to learn and cars were > non-trivial to drive and to keep going - to the extent that many > users employed someone to do the driving for them. Roll forward > through the years, and cars have got more and more complicated, but > also easier and easier to operate and more and more reliable. This makes me think that systemd will be extremely reliable (if impossible to understand by regular users) but when the very rare problem occurs only a specialist will be able to fix it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:35:13 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > I quote then-Redhat CTO Brian Stevens: "Red Hat's model works because > of the complexity of the technology we work with." Create the problem, provide the solution. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:11:15 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Imagine if they made a car with the engine compartment welded shut, > and gave you a little cockpit in the passenger compartment to control > a robot inside the engine compartment that would do maintenance and > repairs. > > What could POSSIBLY go wrong? Well cars to have on-board computers which require specialized devices etc to get at the data. Businesses with tractors know all about the intentional lockdown preventing them from maintaining their own equipment. Thinking about all that leads to the right to repair and the problems that patents and proprietary systems bring. It feels much the same by making "open source" software convoluted and then providing specialized support services. I'm reminded of Microsoft certification. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Obsoleting questions (was: system administration of non-systemd distros and releases)
People ask stupid questions, and answering them is a tightrope to walk on, lest they feel (perhaps rightfully) stupid. That happening will make some people hesitant about a relationship. Worse yet, a particularly smart questioner might intentionally pose questions to trap the messenger by drawing out ego or arrogance. A lot of questions end up being a social problem, not a technical one. Working with some people ends up being: - Determining what question they think they are asking. - Helping them cooperate with asking a better question. - Making them confident about not needing to ask the question any more. (This isn't always about answering it; I think of it as "obsoleting the question".) What was being asked? Maybe something like "By making this init choice, are you making yourself irreplaceable?" When the questioner doesn't want to ask that directly they'll be obtuse. Maybe the right question was already posed: "Will I be entrenched by using Devuan or any particular init system?" Hopefully the answer is no, and then the followup is something like "Therefore I find Devuan to be the most appropriate choice for your needs, and if your needs change then it is a basic skill and not difficult or time consuming (read: inexpensive) for I or any available sysadmin to change; it would be a basic skill. (read: I am not irreplaceable)" A good conversation shows the surface-understanding, deep-understanding, communication and other buzzword skills that project managers and independent contractors have; it shows competence and instills trust. I'd bet some people here would use a time machine to answer "Will people be entrenched by using systemd?" Personally I think freedom, foresight and experience answer that well enough. -- Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore. -- Russian Proverb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:29:32 + Peter Duffy wrote: > It was suggested that in the future, it may not be possible to find > staff who have the skills to administer and manage servers running > non-systemd or pre-systemd distros/releases. This is a useful thought experiment. It does come from a position of ignorance and fear, but there's no need to address those things. Get a solid answer to the question: If it became necessary, how difficult would it be to downgrade Devuan to Debian to gain systemd for those theoretical ignorant and inept future sysadmins? If it's easy, perhaps because no significant init stuff is customized and no software requiring systemd is used, then the initial thought experiment's concern has been alleviated and Devuan can be considered. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency
On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 21:17:46 +0100 Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hi, Hi! o/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Long-term archiving versus medium fallibility
On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:11:54 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Yet these files are also working files, are kept online, and > legitinately need to be modified from time to time. > My present method is to keep everything on my server, and make > regular backups. My first suggestion is to decide why you're keeping everything together. Perhaps there needs to be a separation between Convenience; everything in one place (and subject to the same procedures, benefits and flaws) Confidence; some things subject to enhanced archival techniques or media, such as using M-DISC [1] Perhaps there does not need to be a separation. Maybe the effort is too high or the reward is not great enough. Make this decision. Maybe unchanging media, such as your media archives (photographs, video, poetry) can be on M-DISC locally, with a second copy offsite. Thinking about M-DISC and changes, it makes me wonder if multi-track / multi-session technology [2] is available to them. This would allow the appending of data to either add more files, or "modify" existing files (versioning in a sense). > Currently I use rdiff-backup, which does have the ablity to keep > older as well as newer versions of files on the same backup drive. Does rdiff-backup have the ability to keep older versions on different storage? If so, you could shunt those data to a more reliable medium. It would also save you space for your "live" data, giving some side-benefits like reduced cost. > Now storage media deteriorate over time. > > It is necessary to read and transfer data from old media to new from > time to time. If these things can be solved or made less difficult, it would help alleviate a lot of pressure on the rest of your backups. This is why I suggested M-DISC [1] - As for your other thoughts, I have no experience. Regarding filesystems, I think it was ZFS that you mean. [3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC 2. Regarding multi-session, I'm unfamiliar with it but see: "Red Book" (1980), regarding CD-ROMs in general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books "Blue Book" (1995), regarding E-CD/CD+/CD Extra (Enhanced) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Book_(CD_standard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_CD Is multi-session obscure knowledge? Maybe USB storage rose to prominence at about the same time. 3. https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Basic%20Concepts/Checksums.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
