Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:20:56 -0400 Dan Purgert  wrote:
> 
> > > Don't trust anyone over thirty!
> > 
> > So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good
> > thing. Got it!
> 
> This is a buried shovel. If you're under 30, you can't know what this
> cultural reference was about.

You are Jack Weinberg, and I demand my five minutes speechifying in
front of Sproul Hall.

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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:20:56 -0400
Dan Purgert  wrote:


> >
> > Don't trust anyone over thirty!\
> >  
> 
> So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good
> thing. Got it!

This is a buried shovel. If you're under 30, you can't know what this
cultural reference was about.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[etech3]

On 10/18/2016 01:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400
Dan Purgert  wrote:


On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:

[...]

Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :)

Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ).  Obsolete? Hardly.

How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because
seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we
might as well all go back to Win...

No Dan, you miss the point!

Veterans should never be listened to, because doing so impedes
progress. How can you ever improve if you do it the same way as people
with 20 years experience?

How much more progressive it is to follow people who have only done it
for a couple years. Think of the avenues you'll explore getting their
code to work. Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in
order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think
of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge
and make something brand new.

Don't trust anyone over thirty!
  
SteveT



I myself amd a whitebeard, systemd=borg with a non functioning warp 
drive (take on flat tire.


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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Dan Purgert]

On 10/18/2016 01:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400
> Dan Purgert  wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards
>>
>> Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you  ).  Obsolete? Hardly.
>>
>> How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because
>> seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we
>> might as well all go back to Win...
>
> [...]
>
> Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in
> order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think
> of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge
> and make something brand new.

You mean like trying to figure out how to gut systemd and install
something sane?  (aside - thanks to all you guys who're way better at
this than I am, so I'm not shoe-horned into a systemd box, or trying to
resolve dependency hell while trying to rip it out.)

>
> Don't trust anyone over thirty!\
>

So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good
thing. Got it!




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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400
Dan Purgert  wrote:

> On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :)  
> 
> Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ).  Obsolete? Hardly.
> 
> How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because
> seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we
> might as well all go back to Win...

No Dan, you miss the point!

Veterans should never be listened to, because doing so impedes
progress. How can you ever improve if you do it the same way as people
with 20 years experience?

How much more progressive it is to follow people who have only done it
for a couple years. Think of the avenues you'll explore getting their
code to work. Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in
order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think
of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge
and make something brand new.

Don't trust anyone over thirty!
 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Steven W. Scott]

Funny thing, it was same week as Splunk2016, so many systemd haters would
be in Orlando, so as not to disturb the Lennart love-fest.
SWS

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :)
>
> Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ).  Obsolete? Hardly.
>
> How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because
> seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we
> might as well all go back to Win...
>
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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Dan Purgert]

On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :)

Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ).  Obsolete? Hardly.

How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because
seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we
might as well all go back to Win...



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Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

[Aldemir Akpinar]

On 18 October 2016 at 13:49, Nate Bargmann  wrote:

> * On 2016 18 Oct 03:10 -0500, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> > Apparently systemd is having a conference in a week in Berlin. Looking at
> > the schedule ( https://cfp.systemd.io/en/systemdconf_2016/public/
> schedule/0 )
> > is, I think, helpful for us to see what's happening in the systemd
> > universe. Also it's not surprising to see that Redhat is the main
> > sponsor.
>
> According to the way I read the schedule, this has already taken place
> about three weeks ago, Sept 28 through Oct 1.
>
> At the end of Day 2 was a forum, "Talking to systemd from a Web
> Browser".  Uhhh, wut?  That was preceeded by, "Automotive startup and
> device management".  Uhh, nope, not for me.
>
> I wonder when they discussed rounding up and reeducating all the Unix
> gray beards?
>
> - Nate
>
>
>
Yes, I misread the dates.

Tobias kindly sent me the links to the presentations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUUbFGNZ1vI (state of the union,
portable services)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zN0b6BfgLY (bus1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnnL1GCioKY (resolved)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgOV5rAe6xQ (networkd)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uYkW1K0wxo (wireless daemon)


I watched a few of them, and I recommend you to watch the state of the
union(!) video, especially the last part of it. You can download services
from the internet (Lennart claims it will be sandboxed and secure), or you
can start services with -H hostname on a another server a bit like a ssh
root@hostname "systemdctl start xxx" kind of a thing. And I find those
alarming and a bit pointless.

Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :)
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[DNG] Systemdconf

[Aldemir Akpinar]

Apparently systemd is having a conference in a week in Berlin. Looking at
the schedule ( https://cfp.systemd.io/en/systemdconf_2016/public/schedule/0 )
is, I think, helpful for us to see what's happening in the systemd
universe. Also it's not surprising to see that Redhat is the main sponsor.
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aldemir
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