Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On 10/31/18 12:21 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:34:47 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20181031143447.2b764...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: Hi KatolaZ, On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi Irrwhan, you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. HND KatolaZ I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. Dear aitor, this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in the next few weeks. HND KatolaZ So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my runit script project, right? ..how many of you guys here on dng are on ceres? I have it installed with kde-plasma-desktop but hate to use it, resizing windows is a bitch, mouse pointer slips off window edge and plasma crash always. -- Jimmy Johnson GhostBSD - KDE 4.14.38 - Intel Core i7 - XFS at ad0a Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi, KatolaZ writes: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:28:04AM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > > [cut] > >> bails out while extracting util-linux_2.32.1-0.1+devuan1_amd64.deb, leaving >> the following lines in debootstrap.log: >> >> tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists >> tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists >> tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists >> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors >> >> So there clearly is some kind of inconsistency in present ceres which makes >> debootstrap reproducible go belly-up. > > Hi Irrwhan, > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. FTR, my Devuan Docker image builds[1] on 2018-11-03 went just fine. Those are the first successful builds since 2018-07-04. [1]: https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/pipelines Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On 2/11/18 12:55, KatolaZ wrote: We have built rsyslog-8.39.0-1+devuan1 for unstable. It should be available from pkgmaster in a couple of minutes. HND KatolaZ Thanks :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 02:20:38PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > rsyslog-8.31 builds successfully in amd64, but not in i386. I've had to > disable the testbench in debian/rules and now i'm upgrading it to 8.39, be > patient :) > We have built rsyslog-8.39.0-1+devuan1 for unstable. It should be available from pkgmaster in a couple of minutes. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi Katolaz, On 11/01/2018 02:58 PM, KatolaZ wrote: sysvinit should not be a problem, since it was updated yesterday... rsyslog-8.31 builds successfully in amd64, but not in i386. I've had to disable the testbench in debian/rules and now i'm upgrading it to 8.39, be patient:) There are several issues with new rsyslog. We are working to upgrade it to the latest unstable version. Stay tuned:) Regards KatolaZ I uploaded the packages: http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/r/rsyslog/ The base system installed successfully using packages.gnuinos.org/merged. Now the errors are in the third stage. Time to eat :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 02:20:38PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Katolaz, > > On 10/31/2018 05:04 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > Dear aitor, > > > > this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the > > base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on > > ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in > > the next few weeks. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > The issue in the "shadow" packages has been fixed in devuan, as i can see. > The next problem has been in the sysvinit packaging: even being the host set > to "deb.devuan.org" in the live-sdk, those packages were download from > "pkgmaster.devuan.org". The version of the downloaded sysvinit was lower > than 2.88dsf-59.4 (i don't know why, because 2.88dsf-59.9 is present in this > host address), breaking therefore with util-linux. I added the packaging of > sysvinit-2.88dsf-59.9 to packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos, and the live-sdk > moves on... until the next obstacle: rsyslog. sysvinit should not be a problem, since it was updated yesterday... > > rsyslog-8.31 builds successfully in amd64, but not in i386. I've had to > disable the testbench in debian/rules and now i'm upgrading it to 8.39, be > patient :) There are several issues with new rsyslog. We are working to upgrade it to the latest unstable version. Stay tuned :) Regards KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi Katolaz, On 10/31/2018 05:04 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Dear aitor, this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in the next few weeks. HND KatolaZ The issue in the "shadow" packages has been fixed in devuan, as i can see. The next problem has been in the sysvinit packaging: even being the host set to "deb.devuan.org" in the live-sdk, those packages were download from "pkgmaster.devuan.org". The version of the downloaded sysvinit was lower than 2.88dsf-59.4 (i don't know why, because 2.88dsf-59.9 is present in this host address), breaking therefore with util-linux. I added the packaging of sysvinit-2.88dsf-59.9 to packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos, and the live-sdk moves on... until the next obstacle: rsyslog. rsyslog-8.31 builds successfully in amd64, but not in i386. I've had to disable the testbench in debian/rules and now i'm upgrading it to 8.39, be patient :) Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:34:47 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20181031143447.2b764...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > > Hi KatolaZ, > > > > > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the > > > > inconvenience. > > > > > > > > HND > > > > > > > > KatolaZ > > > > > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy > > > package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap > > > will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > > > > > > > Dear aitor, > > > > this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the > > base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on > > ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in > > the next few weeks. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > > > So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my > runit script project, right? ..how many of you guys here on dng are on ceres? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi KatolaZ, > > > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the > > > inconvenience. > > > > > > HND > > > > > > KatolaZ > > > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy > > package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap > > will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > > > > Dear aitor, > > this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the > base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on > ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in > the next few weeks. > > HND > > KatolaZ > So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my runit script project, right? SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > Hi Irrwhan, > > > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy package for > udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap will not work: > libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. > Dear aitor, this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in the next few weeks. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
KatolaZ wrote on 30.10.18 13:52: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:28:04AM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> So there clearly is some kind of inconsistency in present ceres which makes >> debootstrap reproducible go belly-up. >> > > Hi Irrwhan, > > you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. > [...] Thanks a lot, KatolaZ! Glad I could help a bit. :) Ceres is unstable after all, occasional breakage is to be expected. HND Urban -- Sapere aude! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi KatolaZ, On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi Irrwhan, you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. HND KatolaZ I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:28:04AM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: [cut] > bails out while extracting util-linux_2.32.1-0.1+devuan1_amd64.deb, leaving > the following lines in debootstrap.log: > > tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists > tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists > tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists > tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors > > So there clearly is some kind of inconsistency in present ceres which makes > debootstrap reproducible go belly-up. > Hi Irrwhan, you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
KatolaZ wrote on 30.10.18 08:19: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 08:10:37AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] >> Building Ceres with the live-sdk, i've got the >> following errors related with 'su' in the debootstrap.log file: >> >> tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists >> tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists >> tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists >> [cut]> debootstrap on itself works fine and gives you ceres. [cut] Hi KatolaZ, alas, it doesn't! I already hinted at that in my previous message buried deep in the thread with the inappropriate subject. As a minimal example suitable for easy reproduction, on $ uname -srv ; lsb_release -irc Linux 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.6-1~bpo9+1 (2018-09-13) Distributor ID: Devuan Release: 2.0 Codename: ascii performing a simple $ sudo debootstrap --verbose ceres ./ceres http://deb.devuan.org/merged bails out while extracting util-linux_2.32.1-0.1+devuan1_amd64.deb, leaving the following lines in debootstrap.log: tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors So there clearly is some kind of inconsistency in present ceres which makes debootstrap reproducible go belly-up. HTH, best regards, Urban -- Sapere aude! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 08:10:37AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > Referring to the packaging of util-linux again, the latest packaging > contains replicated dh-autoreconf in debian/rules. Removing them it'll build > succesfully. > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/u/util-linux/ > > On the other hand, the util-linux implementation of '/bin/su' is now used, > replacing the one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login > package), and bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. Read > the util-linux.NEWS file. Building Ceres with the live-sdk, i've got the > following errors related with 'su' in the debootstrap.log file: > > tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists > tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists > tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists > > So, the issue now stands in the 'login' package, isn't it? > > I also got this other error in the debootstrap.log: > > tar: ./usr/share/doc/util-linux/mount.txt: Cannot open: File exists > Hi Aitor, debootstrap on itself works fine and gives you ceres. live-sdk has been broken since I remember, IIRC. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi, On 08/03/2018 03:42 PM, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: My monthly Devuan Docker image rebuild bombed today on ceres[1]. The base images for jessie, ascii and beowulf(!) built just fine. Looking into this, I found this in the debootstrap.log dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of util-linux: login (1:4.5-1.1) breaks util-linux (<< 2.32-0.2~) and is installed. Version of util-linux to be configured is 2.27.1-1+devuan0.1. Looks like util-linux needs a bit of tender loving care on ceres. [1]:https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/pipelines/27093166 Hope this helps, Referring to the packaging of util-linux again, the latest packaging contains replicated dh-autoreconf in debian/rules. Removing them it'll build succesfully. http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/u/util-linux/ On the other hand, the util-linux implementation of '/bin/su' is now used, replacing the one previously supplied by src:shadow (shipped in login package), and bringing Debian in line with other modern distributions. Read the util-linux.NEWS file. Building Ceres with the live-sdk, i've got the following errors related with 'su' in the debootstrap.log file: tar: ./bin/su: Cannot open: File exists tar: ./etc/pam.d/su: Cannot open: File exists tar: ./usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz: Cannot open: File exists So, the issue now stands in the 'login' package, isn't it? I also got this other error in the debootstrap.log: tar: ./usr/share/doc/util-linux/mount.txt: Cannot open: File exists HTH, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
Hi Dan, On 2018-08-04 Daniel Reurich wrote: > I'll endeavor to get that sorted in the next couple of days... I know you've been and probably are still busy running around doing other stuff for Devuan, but the issue below is still present. The builds bombed again yesterday ... > On 04/08/18 01:42, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> My monthly Devuan Docker image rebuild bombed today on ceres[1]. The >> base images for jessie, ascii and beowulf(!) built just fine. >> >> Looking into this, I found this in the debootstrap.log >> >> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of util-linux: >>login (1:4.5-1.1) breaks util-linux (<< 2.32-0.2~) and is installed. >> Version of util-linux to be configured is 2.27.1-1+devuan0.1. >> >> Looks like util-linux needs a bit of tender loving care on ceres. >> >> [1]: https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/pipelines/27093166 >> >> Hope this helps, >> -- >> Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 >> GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 >> Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate >> Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
I'll endeavor to get that sorted in the next couple of days... On 04/08/18 01:42, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > My monthly Devuan Docker image rebuild bombed today on ceres[1]. The > base images for jessie, ascii and beowulf(!) built just fine. > > Looking into this, I found this in the debootstrap.log > > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of util-linux: >login (1:4.5-1.1) breaks util-linux (<< 2.32-0.2~) and is installed. > Version of util-linux to be configured is 2.27.1-1+devuan0.1. > > Looks like util-linux needs a bit of tender loving care on ceres. > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/pipelines/27093166 > > Hope this helps, > -- > Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 > GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 > Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate > Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
My monthly Devuan Docker image rebuild bombed today on ceres[1]. The base images for jessie, ascii and beowulf(!) built just fine. Looking into this, I found this in the debootstrap.log dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of util-linux: login (1:4.5-1.1) breaks util-linux (<< 2.32-0.2~) and is installed. Version of util-linux to be configured is 2.27.1-1+devuan0.1. Looks like util-linux needs a bit of tender loving care on ceres. [1]: https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/pipelines/27093166 Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
