Re: [DNG] ASCII screen reader for both GUI Desktop and text console

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:19:38 -0500
Steve Litt  ha scritto:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:23:23 -0800
> David Hoff Jr  wrote:
>
>> I solved the problem by removing pulse.  I now have speech on both the
>> desktop and the console.  
>
> "I solved the problem by removing pulse" is one of the top 20 most used
> phrases in the English language. I hear it's taught to first year
> English students in non-English countries.

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Re: [DNG] ASCII screen reader for both GUI Desktop and text console

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:23:23 -0800
David Hoff Jr  wrote:

> I solved the problem by removing pulse.  I now have speech on both the
> desktop and the console.

"I solved the problem by removing pulse" is one of the top 20 most used
phrases in the English language. I hear it's taught to first year
English students in non-English countries.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] ASCII screen reader for both GUI Desktop and text console

[David Hoff Jr]

I solved the problem by removing pulse.  I now have speech on both the
desktop and the console.
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Re: [DNG] ASCII screen reader for both GUI Desktop and text console

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:46:43 -0800
dhof...@att.net wrote:

> I installed the ASCII netinstall 32 bit version to my older Acer
> netbook using the install with speech option since I need a screen
> reader for the GUI desktop and the text console.  I installed the
> default desktop as well as Mate.  I also install console tools and
> item 12 which was other utilities or something like that.  Previously
> when I install Stretch to the same net book Orca ran well in the GUI
> Desktop but I could not get Speakup to run in the text console.  With
> ASCII I get the opposite.  Speakup runs flawlessly in the text
> console but Orca will not run in the GUI Desktop.  Orca does not load
> automatically, but I can load it manually.  I know it is there
> because I can bring up the Orca preferences screen, but I am unable
> to get any speech.  Speech-Dispatcher is running, Mute is off, volume
> is at 100%.  Any suggestions on how to get Orca speaking?  If I'm
> slow to respond to any help, please forgive me, I can generally only
> check email once a day. 

Install alsa-utils (or whatever it's called) so you have the necessary
test tools, including speaker-test, aplay, amixer, alsamixer, and lots
of .wav files to test with. If Pulseaudio is installed, ask yourself
whether you really need it: It complicates troubleshooting with its
scads of hidden mutes.

Once speaker-test proves that your sound system works, go into orca's
config and make it output to ALSA. Crank up all volume controls with
alsamixer, and see if orca emits sound now.

SteveT
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Re: [DNG] ASCII screen reader for both GUI Desktop and text console

[Gregory Nowak]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 09:46:43AM -0800, dhof...@att.net wrote:
> I installed the ASCII netinstall 32 bit version to my older Acer netbook 
> using the install with speech option since I need a screen reader for the GUI 
> desktop and the text console.  I installed the default desktop as well as 
> Mate.  I also install console tools and item 12 which was other utilities or 
> something like that.  Previously when I install Stretch to the same net book 
> Orca ran well in the GUI Desktop but I could not get Speakup to run in the 
> text console.  With ASCII I get the opposite.  Speakup runs flawlessly in the 
> text console but Orca will not run in the GUI Desktop.  Orca does not load 
> automatically, but I can load it manually.  I know it is there because I can 
> bring up the Orca preferences screen, but I am unable to get any speech.  
> Speech-Dispatcher is running, Mute is off, volume is at 100%.  Any
> suggestions on how to get Orca speaking?  If I'm slow to respond to any
> help, please forgive me, I can generally only check email once a day. 

Funny that you were able to get orca speaking in stretch. While I
haven't played with stretch myself, someone who played with it last
June asked me privately if I knew why orca wasn't coming up after the
install.

A couple months after that, I managed to find time to install devuan
jessie, and dist-upgrade it to what is now Ascii. I found that while
orca was coming up, something was messed up with speech-dispatcher
itself. Using spd-say produced no output, and running spd-conf came
back with a python trace back. By the time I figured all this out a
couple hours had passed, and I had other things to do. I meant to come
back to it, and try to figure out exactly what the problem is, but
haven't been able to so far.

Devuan pulls in speech-dispatcher from debian. I'm 99% sure this is a
speech-dispatcher bug, so what I planned to do is to check if someone
had filed a bug against it in debian's bug tracker, and to do that
myself if nobody had, ideally with a solution. You've just answered a
question for me, does the problem still exist, and the answer still
seems to be yes.

As for speakup and orca not playing nice, this has been discussed on
the speakup list a number of times. You can either disable pulseaudio,
or run pulseaudio system wide:


I plan to test the netinst images for Ascii myself shortly, and see
what I get.

Greg


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