Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-07 Thread ghostlands 
Fear not, I did in fact already change my sources.list to the onion addresses 
since reading that thread. I could have mentioned that, but it didn't relate to 
my question, so.

As for Onionshare in Jessie. I did already state that when I was in Jessie, it 
wasn't available then, either, and that that was my concern. But I'm in ascii 
now and I'd prefer not to downgrade just to recheck.

> available in Debian jessie. There is no international conspiracy
> 
> behind it:

I never said or implied there was.

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On March 7, 2018 8:21 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 02:41:56PM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> 
> > apt-cache policy onionshare
> > 
> > onionshare:
> > 
> > Installed: 1.3-1
> > 
> > Candidate: 1.3-1
> > 
> > Version table:
> > 
> > \*\*\* 1.3-1 100
> > 
> > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> > 
> > I've compiled and installed Onionshare myself, btw. This isn't Onionshare 
> > from any Debian repo.
> > 
> > I uninstalled it, refreshed my packages, and the output was this:
> > 
> > Unable to locate package onionshare
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think I mentioned it already in my previous answer: onionshare is
> 
> not in Debian stretch, hence it is not in Devuan ASCII:
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=onionshare=names=all=all
> 
> You seem to be using Devuan ASCII, hence apt-get will not find
> 
> onionshare. The package is available in Devuan jessie, since it was
> 
> available in Debian jessie. There is no international conspiracy
> 
> behind it: the package is not in ASCII because it's not in stretch,
> 
> and this happens for several dozen other packages which were in jessie
> 
> and got removed from stretch. You might try to use the version
> 
> available in jessie, or the one in ceres, or contribute a backport for
> 
> ASCII, if you like.
> 
> Concerning your sources.list configuration: we explained at
> 
> http://www.devuan.org
> 
> that you should use the provided onion address when accessing the
> 
> repos via tor, namely:
> 
> We provide access to our package repository also via Tor: install
> 
> apt-transport-tor and then use the following hidden services
> 
> deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie main
> 
> deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-updates main
> 
> deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-security main
> 
> Just replace 'jessie' with 'ascii' above, and you will be fine. We
> 
> have also explained why you should do that in the thread with
> 
> FungalNet that you mentioned, which you said you had already
> 
> studied. To put it short: by using the onion address all your requests
> 
> will travel through tor. You are not forced to do that if you don't
> 
> want to, though.
> 
> HTH
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-07 Thread ghostlands 
apt-cache policy onionshare
onionshare:
  Installed: 1.3-1
  Candidate: 1.3-1
  Version table:
 *** 1.3-1 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

I've compiled and installed Onionshare myself, btw. This isn't Onionshare from 
any Debian repo.

I uninstalled it, refreshed my packages, and the output was this:

Unable to locate package onionshare

As for my sources.list, I already posted that in this thread.

sources.list.d contains one file, devuan.list, which contains:

# autogenerated by devuan-baseconf
# decomment following lines to  enable the developers devuan repository
#deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii main contrib non-free

preferences.d contains one file, avoid-systemd, which contains:

Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -1

As for similarities between myself and Fungal, re: domains isn't a meaningful 
correlation, reply-all is just proper professional etiquette in my circles (I 
thought everyone did that), and I am not missing an ENTER key and have no idea 
why you'd think I am, or how you'd know - unless that last part was a joke.

Also I think the name "Fungal" is gross, and I don't think it's good to create 
explicitly deceptive identities with people whom you need to collaborate 
(anonymity is something different). 

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On March 2, 2018 7:27 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 01:49:10AM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> 
> > Wow. I just read that thread with Fungal. I bet it was slightly 
> > traumatizing that I brought up anything even somewhat related.
> 
> ...and I have noticed that you write from the same domain of Fungal,
> 
> that you reply to the sender putting the mailinglist in CC like almost
> 
> only Fungal does here, and that your keyboard is missing the \[ENTER\]
> 
> key, like Fungal's one. Just concidence!
> 
> > Sorry about that, everyone >_<
> 
> No worries at all. Nobody here is traumatized by bug reports, and even
> 
> less so by unreproducible "impressions" and vague rants :)
> 
> > Anyway, that thread very clearly answered most of the questions I've asked, 
> > so that's great.
> > 
> > I'm still unsure why Onionshare isn't appearing in Devuan Jessie, though.
> 
> We can't reproduce that. And that's not just an "impression" but a
> 
> hard fact that anybody running a Devuan jessie installation can verify
> 
> by themselves right now. Please post the ouput of:
> 
> $ apt-cache policy onionshare
> 
> on the affected installation, together with the full content of your
> 
> sources.list, of any file you might have in sources.list.d, and of any
> 
> pin you might have set in preferences.d
> 
> Thanks
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-01 Thread KatolaZ 
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 01:49:10AM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> Wow. I just read that thread with Fungal. I bet it was slightly traumatizing 
> that I brought up anything even somewhat related.

...and I have noticed that you write from the same domain of Fungal,
that you reply to the sender putting the mailinglist in CC like almost
only Fungal does here, and that your keyboard is missing the [ENTER]
key, like Fungal's one. Just concidence!

> 
> Sorry about that, everyone >_<

No worries at all. Nobody here is traumatized by bug reports, and even
less so by unreproducible "impressions" and vague rants :)

> 
> Anyway, that thread very clearly answered most of the questions I've asked, 
> so that's great.
> 
> I'm still unsure why Onionshare isn't appearing in Devuan Jessie, though.
> 

We can't reproduce that. And that's not just an "impression" but a
hard fact that anybody running a Devuan jessie installation can verify
by themselves right now. Please post the ouput of:

  $ apt-cache policy onionshare

on the affected installation, together with the full content of your
sources.list, of any file you might have in sources.list.d, and of any
pin you might have set in preferences.d

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-01 Thread ghostlands 
Wow. I just read that thread with Fungal. I bet it was slightly traumatizing 
that I brought up anything even somewhat related.

Sorry about that, everyone >_<

Anyway, that thread very clearly answered most of the questions I've asked, so 
that's great.

I'm still unsure why Onionshare isn't appearing in Devuan Jessie, though.

gl




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On March 2, 2018 4:37 AM, ghostlands  wrote:

> I started out using Devuan Jessie, and onionshare wasn't available to me then 
> either. In Debian currently It's listed in Jessie, Wheezy, and SId.
> 
> I know people hate bug reports without fine-grained detail, but I've stated 
> explicitly that I only have vague information.
> 
> I understand it's frustrating, and I'm not trying to get people to run around 
> in a panic. I only wanted to let people know that I also had an impression 
> that something might be weird. It's totally ok not to leap into action. Just 
> try and make a note of my impression.
> 
> I mean it could have nothing to do with a security breach - it may just be an 
> indicator that some of the workflow is too convoluted/not self apparent 
> enough that some users are getting tangled up.
> 
> If anything has indeed been happening, my best guess would be that something 
> is weird about how the onion service is configured/what it points to. Does 
> Devuan's onion service pull from Debian's onion service? Or does Devuan's 
> onion service pull from Debian's clearnet repository? What kind of 
> translation does packagemanager do when it pulls from Debian?
> 
> It's helpful though to be reminded that ascii won't be pushing large numbers 
> of updates anytime soon, thanks.
> 
> gl
> 
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> 
> On March 1, 2018 9:20 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 03:13:24PM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> > 
> > > As I said, I'm not sure, it seems intermittent. Vaguely, and this is the 
> > > main thing, I think I'm not always getting the full packagelist. 
> > > SOometimes there are packages I know are available in Debian without 
> > > systemd dependencies, but they don't appear in Synaptic. Onionshare is 
> > > one example.
> > 
> > Uh?
> > 
> > $ apt-cache policy onionshare
> > 
> > N: Unable to locate package onionshare
> > 
> > $
> > 
> > According to Debian:
> > 
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=onionshare=names=all=all
> > 
> > onionshare is not in Stretch, hence it cannot be in ascii.
> > 
> > > Other times I suspect I'm getting a ton of plain Debian packages (which I 
> > > understand is normal) but with various libsystemd0 dependencies.
> > 
> > Define "a ton" please. It is pretty unusual to get "a ton" of package
> > 
> > upgrades in Devuan ASCII, apart from security updates. ASCII is
> > 
> > merging Debian stretch, which is stable, so not much is happening
> > 
> > there...
> > 
> > > This is my sources list:
> > > 
> > > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > > 
> > > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > > 
> > > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib 
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib 
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > Devuan repositories
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > deb tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> > > 
> > > deb-src tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > The latter one is redundant, hence useless. It is equivalent to:
> > 
> > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > My2Cents
> > 
> > KatolaZ
> > 
> > \[ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab \]
> > 
> > \[ "+. katolaz \[at\] freaknet.org \-\-\- katolaz \[at\] yahoo.it \]
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-01 Thread ghostlands 
I started out using Devuan Jessie, and onionshare wasn't available to me then 
either. In Debian currently It's listed in Jessie, Wheezy, and SId.

I know people hate bug reports without fine-grained detail, but I've stated 
explicitly that I only have vague information.

I understand it's frustrating, and I'm not trying to get people to run around 
in a panic. I only wanted to let people know that I also had an impression that 
something might be weird. It's totally ok not to leap into action. Just try and 
make a note of my impression.

I mean it could have nothing to do with a security breach - it may just be an 
indicator that some of the workflow is too convoluted/not self apparent enough 
that some users are getting tangled up.

If anything has indeed been happening, my best guess would be that something is 
weird about how the onion service is configured/what it points to. Does 
Devuan's onion service pull from Debian's onion service? Or does Devuan's onion 
service pull from Debian's clearnet repository? What kind of translation does 
packagemanager do when it pulls from Debian?

It's helpful though to be reminded that ascii won't be pushing large numbers of 
updates anytime soon, thanks.

gl


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On March 1, 2018 9:20 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 03:13:24PM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> 
> > As I said, I'm not sure, it seems intermittent. Vaguely, and this is the 
> > main thing, I think I'm not always getting the full packagelist. SOometimes 
> > there are packages I know are available in Debian without systemd 
> > dependencies, but they don't appear in Synaptic. Onionshare is one example.
> 
> Uh?
> 
> $ apt-cache policy onionshare
> 
> N: Unable to locate package onionshare
> 
> $
> 
> According to Debian:
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=onionshare=names=all=all
> 
> onionshare is not in Stretch, hence it cannot be in ascii.
> 
> > Other times I suspect I'm getting a ton of plain Debian packages (which I 
> > understand is normal) but with various libsystemd0 dependencies.
> 
> Define "a ton" please. It is pretty unusual to get "a ton" of package
> 
> upgrades in Devuan ASCII, apart from security updates. ASCII is
> 
> merging Debian stretch, which is stable, so not much is happening
> 
> there...
> 
> > This is my sources list:
> > 
> > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
> > non-free
> > 
> > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
> > non-free
> > 
> > deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free
> > 
> > deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib 
> > non-free
> > 
> > Devuan repositories
> > ===
> > 
> > deb tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> > 
> > deb-src tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> 
> The latter one is redundant, hence useless. It is equivalent to:
> 
> deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> 
> deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> 
> My2Cents
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-01 Thread KatolaZ 
On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 03:13:24PM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> As I said, I'm not sure, it seems intermittent. Vaguely, and this is the main 
> thing, I think I'm not always getting the full packagelist. SOometimes there 
> are packages I know are available in Debian without systemd dependencies, but 
> they don't appear in Synaptic. Onionshare is one example.

Uh?

$ apt-cache policy onionshare
N: Unable to locate package onionshare
$

According to Debian:

  
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=onionshare=names=all=all

onionshare is not in Stretch, hence it cannot be in ascii.

> 
> Other times I suspect I'm getting a ton of plain Debian packages (which I 
> understand is normal) but with various libsystemd0 dependencies.

Define "a ton" please. It is pretty unusual to get "a ton" of package
upgrades in Devuan ASCII, apart from security updates. ASCII is
merging Debian stretch, which is stable, so not much is happening
there...

> 
> This is my sources list:
> 
> deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
> 
> deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib non-free
> deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
> non-free
> 
> deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib 
> non-free
> 
> # Devuan repositories
> deb tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> deb-src tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> 

The latter one is redundant, hence useless. It is equivalent to:

  deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
  deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
  

My2Cents

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-03-01 Thread ghostlands 
As I said, I'm not sure, it seems intermittent. Vaguely, and this is the main 
thing, I think I'm not always getting the full packagelist. SOometimes there 
are packages I know are available in Debian without systemd dependencies, but 
they don't appear in Synaptic. Onionshare is one example.

Other times I suspect I'm getting a ton of plain Debian packages (which I 
understand is normal) but with various libsystemd0 dependencies.

This is my sources list:

deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free

deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib non-free
deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib 
non-free

deb tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src tor://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free

# Devuan repositories
deb tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
deb-src tor://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free

Of course, I have apt-transport-tor installed, along with apt-transport-https.

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On February 28, 2018 4:22 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14:35AM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> 
> > Just a heads up, I've also been having some weird issues doing package 
> > management over tor. I can't really articulate them, because it's pretty 
> > confusing. Partially it may be because I don't understand packagemaster and 
> > how the process of redirecting to debian repos actually works. But any time 
> > something odd happens with tor it ends up being stressful, since the only 
> > reason to use tor is for security and anonymity.
> > 
> > Anyway if anyone wants to ask me specific questions about my process/setup 
> > I'm available, though it may take me awhile to reply.
> > 
> > gl
> 
> What problems have you experienced, exactly?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-28 Thread KatolaZ 
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14:35AM -0500, ghostlands wrote:
> Just a heads up, I've also been having some weird issues doing package 
> management over tor. I can't really articulate them, because it's pretty 
> confusing. Partially it may be because I don't understand packagemaster and 
> how the process of redirecting to debian repos actually works. But any time 
> something odd happens with tor it ends up being stressful, since the only 
> reason to use tor is for security and anonymity.
> 
> Anyway if anyone wants to ask me specific questions about my process/setup 
> I'm available, though it may take me awhile to reply.
> 
> gl

What problems have you experienced, exactly?

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-28 Thread ghostlands 
Just a heads up, I've also been having some weird issues doing package 
management over tor. I can't really articulate them, because it's pretty 
confusing. Partially it may be because I don't understand packagemaster and how 
the process of redirecting to debian repos actually works. But any time 
something odd happens with tor it ends up being stressful, since the only 
reason to use tor is for security and anonymity.

Anyway if anyone wants to ask me specific questions about my process/setup I'm 
available, though it may take me awhile to reply.

gl


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On February 16, 2018 4:09 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:11:30AM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> > 
> > Veteran Unix Admins free...@devuan.org wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear dev1rs
> > > 
> > > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> > > 
> > > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> > > 
> > > of Devuan Jessie \[1\] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> > > 
> > > declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 \[2\].
> > > 
> > > That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
> > > 
> > > later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The
> > > 
> > > long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
> > > 
> > > is here!
> > 
> > I downloaded the amd64 netinstall iso and installed it on a usb drive.
> > 
> > I then used this to boot a computer, so far so good, attempted an
> > 
> > 'expert install', all went well until it came to selecting a package
> > 
> > mirror.
> > 
> > I am in the UK, so when I was presented with a list of mirrors, I
> > 
> > selected 'gb.deb.devuan.org'. This lead to an error message:
> > 
> > \[!! Configure the package manager
> > 
> >Bad archive mirror
> > 
> 
> Dear Rawland,
> 
> thank you for your useful report. We know that there are still a few
> 
> glitches on the country-code based URLs (gb.deb.devuan.irg,
> 
> ie.deb.devuan.org, us.deb.devuan.org, and so on). We working at
> 
> solving that.
> 
> In the meanwhile, it is sensible to use either:
> 
> deb.devuan.org (a pool of 9-11 mirrors continuosly checked)
> 
> or
> 
> pkgmaster.devuan.org
> 
> The latter supports also https.
> 
> HTH
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
> 
> ---
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-25 Thread Antonio Trkdz.tab 
Hi,

I had the same problem of XFCE not being able to restart/shutdown/suspend.
libpolicykit-agent-1-0 and policykit-1 were being held back on apt-get
upgrade.
When installing explicitly they were pulling ibpolkit-backend-systemd and
libpolkit-gobject-systemd (among others) as dependencies as I didn't have
them installed.

I followed J. Fahrner advice and installed libpolkit-backend-consolekit and
libpolkit-gobject-consolekit.
After that XFCE was able to restart/shutdown/suspend again.
apt-get upgrade was then willing to upgrade ibpolicykit-agent-1-0 and
policykit-1 without pulling any further dependecies, which I did.

Everything works now, Thanks!
I hope this is useful.

Cheers!
Antonio

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 9:19 AM, J. Fahrner  wrote:

> Am 2018-02-17 08:02, schrieb Edward Bartolo:
>
>> I have these 'kit' packages installed if that is relevant:
>>
>> <<
>> ii  libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd640.105-9+devuan1
>> amd64PolicyKit Authentication Agent API
>> ii  libpolkit-backend-1-0:amd64  0.105-18
>> amd64PolicyKit backend API
>> ii  libpolkit-gobject-1-0:amd64  0.105-18
>> amd64PolicyKit Authorization API
>> ii  policykit-1  0.105-9+devuan1
>> amd64framework for managing administrative
>> policies and privileges
>>
>>>

> You should have:
> ii  libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd64  0.105-18+devuan2.4
>   amd64PolicyKit Authentication Agent API
> ii  libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4
> amd64PolicyKit backend API
> ii  libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4
> amd64PolicyKit Authorization API
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-17 Thread J. Fahrner 

Am 2018-02-17 08:02, schrieb Edward Bartolo:

I have these 'kit' packages installed if that is relevant:

<<
ii  libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd640.105-9+devuan1
amd64PolicyKit Authentication Agent API
ii  libpolkit-backend-1-0:amd64  0.105-18
amd64PolicyKit backend API
ii  libpolkit-gobject-1-0:amd64  0.105-18
amd64PolicyKit Authorization API
ii  policykit-1  0.105-9+devuan1
amd64framework for managing administrative
policies and privileges




You should have:
ii  libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd64  0.105-18+devuan2.4
amd64PolicyKit Authentication Agent API
ii  libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4
amd64PolicyKit backend API
ii  libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.4
amd64PolicyKit Authorization API

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-16 Thread KatolaZ 
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:11:30AM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Dear dev1rs
> > 
> > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> > 
> > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> > of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> > declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
> > That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
> > later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community.  The
> > long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
> > is here!
> > 
> 
> I downloaded the amd64 netinstall iso and installed it on a usb drive.
> I then used this to boot a computer, so far so good, attempted an
> 'expert install', all went well until it came to selecting a package
> mirror.
> 
> I am in the UK, so when I was presented with a list of mirrors, I
> selected 'gb.deb.devuan.org'. This lead to an error message:
> 
> [!! Configure the package manager
> 
>Bad archive mirror

Dear Rawland,

thank you for your useful report. We know that there are still a few
glitches on the country-code based URLs (gb.deb.devuan.irg,
ie.deb.devuan.org, us.deb.devuan.org, and so on). We working at
solving that.

In the meanwhile, it is sensible to use either:

  deb.devuan.org (a pool of 9-11 mirrors continuosly checked)

or

  pkgmaster.devuan.org

The latter supports also https. 

HTH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-16 Thread Rowland Penny 
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:

> 
> Dear dev1rs
> 
> the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
> That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
> later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community.  The
> long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
> is here!
> 

I downloaded the amd64 netinstall iso and installed it on a usb drive.
I then used this to boot a computer, so far so good, attempted an
'expert install', all went well until it came to selecting a package
mirror.

I am in the UK, so when I was presented with a list of mirrors, I
selected 'gb.deb.devuan.org'. This lead to an error message:

[!! Configure the package manager

   Bad archive mirror
An error has been detected while trying to use the specified Devuan
machine mirror. 

I went back and choose Ireland this time and the install continued
until the package selection, where I didn't get to choose a GUI. I
continued the install and, as expected, when I rebooted, it booted to
a CLI login.

I re-installed again, but this time selected 'pkgmaster.devuan.org'
instead of 'gb.deb.devuan.org', It now installed correctly.

Rowland 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-15 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen 
Hi,

Fungal-net writes:

> Please don''t let the Grouch break up your valentine party but would
> anyone care to elaborate on the following scenario?
>
> We have Joe, Jill, Jack, and Mindy.
> Joe  is running Wheezy and converts to Ascii
> Jill is running Devuan 1 Jessie and converts to ascii
> Jack is running Stretch and converts to Ascii
> and finally Mindy just installs Ascii-beta-2.0
>
> Don't ask me, I have been running ascii for a quite a while now and my
> experience with Jessie has been from first boot to the second.  And I
> have run OpenRC and eudev ever since they appeared in experimental.
>
> All four of the above have same packages installed in the versions
> that they exist in those 4 situations.
>
> 1   Is the end product different?
> 2   Should the end product be different.

> 3   The packages that are available and keep upgrading in the debian
> branch of merged, do they appear to all four of them as they do in
> the debian repository?  In other words If you add debian stretch
> to the repositories the versions "in merged ascii" and in stretch
> should be the same. right?  Live at any given minute?  That is
> what amprolla3 is doing, right?  Are they?
>
> Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed
> to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I
> run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there
> rain down to the level of about 20-30/day, while ascii has been pretty
> inactive in terms of upgrades.  So what exactly is merged with devuan?

IIUC, you say you are seeing 20-30 upgradable packages on a "test"
Debian installation.  If this is a Debian repositories only system, that
number is way too high for either of Debian's Jessie and Stretch.  There
have been quite a number of security upgrades, 2-3 a day in the last
week or so, but nothing near 20-30.  Could it be that your Debian "test"
system is set up to track Debian's *testing*, i.e. Buster as of writing,
as opposed to *stable* (Stretch) or *oldstable* (Jessie)?

# See https://www.debian.org/releases/

If that is the case, 20-30 upgradable packages a day seems reasonable
and the reason you're not seeing that in Devuan is because ASCII is
targetting Debian's Stretch, *not* Buster.  Buster will be for Devuan's
Beowulf and work on that is unlikely to begin before ASCII becomes the
"stable" Devuan release.

So if your Debian "test" system is tracking *testing* you're are, in
effect, comparing apples and oranges ;-)

Hope this helps,
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Jaromil 
Thanks for your accurate answer Patrick 

if Fungal keeps pontifying unsubstantiated
claims and denigrating conspiracy theories against
us after your answer, it will be banned
from here too. OTOH to anyone who is
reading and wants to bring to our attention
a problem in beta: you are welcome to
express it in detail and based on the
troubleshooting method Patrick suggests.
We will be grateful.

But none of the problems raised were so far
proven and, in case they are, they all
refer to a pre-beta and now beta system
(ASCII) which we are keen to fix.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Patrick Meade 
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 20:07 -0500, Fungal-net wrote:
> Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed
> to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I
> run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there
> rain down to the level of about 20-30/day, while ascii has been
> pretty inactive in terms of upgrades.  So what exactly is merged with
> devuan?

Hi Fungus,

Instead of asking, I think you should just point the browser of your
choice at the public repository:

http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/

Here you can browse everything served up by pkgmaster. You might want
to start with the /devuan and /merged directories.

Next, you can do something like:

curl -v http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/

And follow that up with:

torsocks curl -v http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/dists/

In both cases, you should get the same content. The only exception
(that I'm aware) would be the pkgmaster rewrites for Debian hosted
packages. That is, if Devuan didn't have to alter a package because we
didn't need to, then we allow Debian to provide it.

So, for example, when I curl this package:

curl -v http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/updates
/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb

I end up with this as the redirect:

< Location: http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/a/a
pache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb

But, if I curl through torsocks:

torsocks curl -v http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECUR
ITY/updates/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb

I end up with a tor redirect:

< Location: http://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion/debian-security/pool/updates/
main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb

Truly, I think KatolaZ can write e-mail until his fingers fall off and
you will not believe him. However, the above should be enough to get
started in conducting your own experiments. You don't have to believe
or trust me, KatolaZ, or anybody else. You are a mature person who can
can think for himself.

AND .. if you do find something odd/wrong, you'll have the commands to
give everybody to prove that you are right. This may have the side-
effect of allowing us to find and fix any problems as well.

Good luck!

Best,
Patrick

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Fungal-net 
Please don''t let the Grouch break up your valentine party but would anyone 
care to elaborate on the following scenario?

We have Joe, Jill, Jack, and Mindy.
Joe  is running Wheezy and converts to Ascii
Jill is running Devuan 1 Jessie and converts to ascii
Jack is running Stretch and converts to Ascii
and finally Mindy just installs Ascii-beta-2.0

Don't ask me, I have been running ascii for a quite a while now and my 
experience with Jessie has been from first boot to the second.  And I have run 
OpenRC and eudev ever since they appeared in experimental.

All four of the above have same packages installed in the versions that they 
exist in those 4 situations.

1   Is the end product different?
2   Should the end product be different.
3   The packages that are available and keep upgrading in the debian branch of 
merged, do they appear to all four of them as they do in the debian repository? 
 In other words If you add debian stretch to the repositories the versions "in 
merged ascii" and in stretch should be the same. right?  Live at any given 
minute?  That is what amprolla3 is doing, right?
Are they?

Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed to this 
amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I run about the 
same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there rain down to the level of 
about 20-30/day, while ascii has been pretty inactive in terms of upgrades.  So 
what exactly is merged with devuan?

 Original Message 
 On February 14, 2018 11:44 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins free...@devuan.org wrote:
>
>>Dear dev1rs
>>the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>>On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
>> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
>> declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
>> That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
>> later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community.  The
>> long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
>> is here!
>>So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta?
>>
>>
>> - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path
>> (thanks Maemo Leste!)
>>
>> - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!)
>>
>> - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit
>> (thanks Gentoo!)
>>
>> - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE,
>> Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops
>>
>> - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that
>> installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools.
>>
>> - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox.
>>
>> - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most
>> boards.
>>
>>
> Holy cow, you're leaving Debian behind. Our own udev and consolekit
> replacements! Very, very nice!
>
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Steve Litt 
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:

> Dear dev1rs
> 
> the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
> That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
> later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community.  The
> long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
> is here!
> 
> ## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta?
> 
> - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path
>(thanks Maemo Leste!)
> 
> - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!)
> 
> - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit
>   (thanks Gentoo!)
> 
> - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE,
>   Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops
> 
> - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that
>   installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools.
> 
> - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox.
> 
> - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most
>   boards.

Holy cow, you're leaving Debian behind. Our own udev and consolekit
replacements! Very, very nice!

SteveT
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Chillfan 
Very nice and well done, the new installer presets leave us spoilt for choice.. 
openrc and a bunch of desktops to choose from.. great stuff.

chillfan

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner 

Am 2018-02-14 11:47, schrieb Didier Kryn:

    After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do
the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to
shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root.


Looks like the same problem I had.
If you have libpolkit-backend-systemd and libpolkit-gobject-systemd, 
replace them with libpolkit-backend-consolekit and 
libpolkit-gobject-consolekit.


Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn 
    Just updated/upgraded my Devuan-ASCII after the announce, using 
Synaptic.


    Process was dodgy: some policykit packages had to be removed 
*before* upgrading task-desktop. Doing all at once would mark packages 
as broken.


    After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do 
the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to 
shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root.


    Sorry I don't remember the details of package names. Will do the 
ame operation with another machine soon.


            Didier

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ 
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:55:46AM +0100, Stefan Mark wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
> 
> > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
> > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
> >   
> 404 :)
> I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/

fixed now

HND

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn 
Stefan Mark wrote on 14.02.2018 10:55:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
> Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
> 
>> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
>> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
>>   
> 404 :)
> I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/

Yes.  8^)

And @all: 
Please keep in mind this is a _beta_, so we will inevitably hit 
some bumps along the ride.

Best regards
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn 
Happy VUAlentine's Day, Devuan!   :)

May you manifold and spread all the love 
that dedicated people put into you!


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Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 14.02.2018 10:48:
> 
> Dear dev1rs
> 
> the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release
> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins
> declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2].
> That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years
> later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community.  The
> long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568)
> is here!
> 
> ## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta?
> 
> - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path
>(thanks Maemo Leste!)
> 
> - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!)
> 
> - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit
>   (thanks Gentoo!)
> 
> - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE,
>   Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops
> 
> - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that
>   installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools.
> 
> - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox.
> 
> - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most
>   boards.
> 
> ## Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is on the horizon
> 
> Although Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta has been powering thousands of servers
> and desktops for the last two years and been extensively tested by the
> Devuan community, it is being released as a beta because at Devuan we
> value involvement and feedback. So we want even more extensive testing
> of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta to confirm "when it is ready" to be called a
> Stable release.
> 
> Once Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is released, our efforts will turn to
> Devuan 3.0 Beowulf (minor planet nr. 38086).
> 
> ## Download Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta
> 
> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
>   
> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the
>   following flavours:**
> 
>  - installable live CD/DVD
>  - installation CD/DVD
>  - NETINST CDROM
>  - installable minimal live 
>  - qcow/vagrant images
> 
> **ARM:**
> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt
> 
> **Virtual machines:**
> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/virtual/README.txt
> 
> ## Upgrade to Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta
> 
> Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta provides safe upgrade paths from Devuan 1.0
> Jessie, Debian 8.x Jessie, Debian 9.x Stretch. Just follow the
> relevant instructions at:
> https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii
> https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii
> 
> ## Feedback (we love that!)
> 
> If you try to install Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta from a DVD or CD setup
> please test it offline (i.e., without a network connection and without
> a configured mirror). If something goes wrong please try it online
> (i.e., with a network connection and a configured mirror).  And then
> please report your findings to us including the list of packages as
> given by `dpkg -l | gzip -9 > packagelist.gz` and the output of `cat
> /var/lib/pam/session > pamconfig.txt`
> 
> Please get in touch with us through one of the community channels
> listed below or on freenode #devuan-dev for real-time interaction.
> 
> ## Information and contacts
> 
> Web: http://www.devuan.org
> Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org
> BTS: http://bugs.devuan.org
> IRC: #devuan (freenode)
> 
> Journalists please note: this announcement of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta 
> release is mainly for internal testing not for wide redistribution.
> An announcement for the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable release  will 
> hopefully follow very soon.
> 
> happy hacking!
> 
> The dev1 team
> 
> [1] You can find an archive of the pre-alpha Valentine release message here:
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180213.205150.929bbd85.en.html
> [2] https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Stefan Mark 
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:

> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:**
> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii
>   
404 :)
I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/


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